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Matt Joyce Destroys Worlds, But The Rays Still Lose

Going into this game, I'll admit it, I didn't have high expectations for the Rays' offense. Justin Verlander has thrown a no-hitter this year and been one of the best pitchers in the majors for the past few seasons, and the Rays' offense has barely been able to top three runs over the course of the past week. They could barely scrounge up six hits yesterday against Phil Coke and Charlie Furbush, so it was a very, very pleasant surprise to see the Rays knock around Verlander for six runs in six innings.

That's right -- six runs against Verlander. Who woulda thunk it? When Matt Joyce cranked his homerun to right field in the fourth inning to put the Rays ahead 3-1, I had one of those, "Ahh, this is why I love baseball" moments. Truly anything can happen on any given day. But by the time the end of the game rolled around, though, I wasn't feeling quite so at peace with the world. After gaining the lead in the fourth, the Rays handed back the lead to the Tigers twice, losing on a two-run homerun from Alex Avila in the eighth inning.

To make things even worse, the Rays could have won this game; they allowed a couple cheap runs. For example, in the bottom of the second inning, B.J. Upton dropped an easy line drive that was coming right at him, which would have been the final out of the inning. Instead, the Tigers scored a run on the play and Davis had to throw an extra 10 pitches to get out of the inning. And later in the game, Miguel Cabrera fell behind in the count 1-2 and watched a beautiful fastball go by right over the plate. The pitch was called a ball, though, and a few pitches later Cabrera turned on a hard inside fastball and hit a three run homerun out to left field. Talk about frustrating.

Oh, and the game-losing homerun that Cesar Ramos allowed to Alex Avila? It was the first extra base hit off Ramos by a left-handed batter in the majors. Last night just really wasn't the Rays' day.

Star-divide

Game Notes:

  • Matt Joyce was the star of the show. He mashed a homerun off Verlander in the fourth inning, hitting a hanging changeup into the right field seats. That was his eighth homerun of the year, tying him for the team lead with Ben Zobrist. Joyce had three hits on the evening, and one of them came against a left-handed pitcher late in the game.

    There was a brief scare in the sixth inning when Matt Joyce got hit in the back of the arm with the ball while trying to score, but thankfully that injury was far milder than it initially looked. 
    Joyce banged himself around all game, though: he also made a few running catches in the outfield, and he hit the wall a bit hard on one of them. He didn't seem any worse off at all, but I couldn't help but cringe whenever I saw Joyce even slightly injured. Right now, the Rays desperately need his bat in the lineup.
  • Despite his final line (6 IP, 4 ER), there were some encouraging signs from Wade Davis today. His overall velocity was better today, averaging 91 MPH and hitting 94 MPH on occasion; while I'd still like to see Davis throw harder more consistently during a start, Hickey had talked with Davis about cutting loose, so it was nice to see a step in the right direction. Davis primarily worked inside to right-handed hitters, busting them in on the hands with his fastballs, and he induced a lot of weak contact. He still didn't get many swinging strikes or strikeouts (5 whiffs, 4 strikeouts), but he still had good command even with the slightly increased velocity (high strike percentage, only two walks).

    Overall, I'm encouraged by this start; Davis was way more fun to watch last night than he has been in a while. His curveball - AKA, his old knockout pitch - was very successful whenever he used it, so I'm keeping my fingers crossed that we're moving in the right direction with Davis.
  • Sean Rodriguez had a great piece of hitting against Verlander in the top of the third. He got an outside fastball and ripped a line drive double to right field. When you consider that Verlander is about as difficult a righty as you can face, that's great to see.

    But that's not all. Rodriguez also hit another double off Verlander, rapping a hard-hit groundball down into the left field corner in the sixth inning. Can we please get S-Rod some consistent playing time?
  • Oh, and Rodriguez definitely has the arm for shortstop. He made some impressive throws from deep in the hole at shortstop today, gunning out the Tigers every time. I still don't feel comfortable enough to comment on his range at short, but his arm certainly isn't a concern.
  • The Rays have now lost eight of their last 12 games, and as the Yanks and Red Sox won last night, they're now in third place. C'mon Sonny - we're counting on you today.

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uhhh

the guy that hit the 2 HRs is Alex Avila, not Mike. Perhaps you’re thinking of Mike Aviles?

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by Tigers&WingsFan on May 25, 2011 6:48 AM EDT reply actions  

uhhhhhhhhhhhhh

you got any gum?

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by blackraven on May 5, 2011 3:46 PM EDT

by Sandy Kazmir on May 25, 2011 10:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

Great to see Zobrist reverting back to his 2010 situation

and an alleged all star who can’t make a simple adjustment , and continues to suck

Great to see Sean Rodriguez rip 2 doubles against Justin Verlander, the RIGHT HANDED pitcher with 2 NO hitters, but let’s sit him in favor of Reid Brignac or Elliot Johnson

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by sternfan1 on May 25, 2011 6:54 AM EDT reply actions  

It appears someone reads my Monday recap
Can we please get S-Rod some consistent playing time?

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by sternfan1 on May 25, 2011 6:56 AM EDT reply actions  

3rd place!

Excited to see Andy fucking Sonnanstine today. (no I’m not)

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by Jonah Keri on Jun 19, 2010 10:31 PM EDT

by Doug09 on May 25, 2011 7:28 AM EDT via mobile reply actions  

Good thing we're saving a couple bucks on Guyer and Jennings because Fuld is killing it!

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by Jonah Keri on Jun 19, 2010 10:31 PM EDT

by Doug09 on May 25, 2011 7:31 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

FLAGS FLY FOREVER!!!

…or not.

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by Passionate Apathy on May 25, 2011 9:25 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

I normally don't bitch about the team saving extra money, but the Yankees are good, but not 95 win good this year.

We don’t know when that opportunity is going to come again to pass them up and snag the wild card, especially when I don’t see us making a giant leap next year in terms of talent.

@ptSuttery

by Suttree on May 25, 2011 9:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

Far be it from me to disagree, since you know what you're talking way more than I...

But Guyer only has 150 PA in Triple-A and Cobb only has 47 IP.

Granted, if it was me, I’d have called them both up by now. But I’d imagine you could make a case that both of them could use more time in Triple-A. Even if there aren’t weaknesses showing in their stats, the Rays may haver certain things they’re trying to get each player to work on right now.

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by Steve Slowinski on May 25, 2011 8:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

Eh, development doesn't automatically end when a player reaches the majors

It really doesn’t look like there’s anything big they’re working on (like McGee’s velocity). Like I don’t see what adjustments are left for Cobb to make in triple-A given his performance.

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by Imperialism32 on May 25, 2011 8:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, I have no idea what they could still be working on.

Guyer’s strikeouts are a bit up this season, but that’s the only nitpicky thing I can find.

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by Steve Slowinski on May 25, 2011 8:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

Not blatantly tipping his pitches could be something

I’m sure there are all sorts of little things like that that major leaguers are going to take advantage of that AAA guys wouldn’t.

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by staplemaniac on May 25, 2011 9:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

Right, but that can't be that much of an adjustment.

Obviously it’s a habit he’s acquired over the years, but just taking a little more time between pitches could resolve it.

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by Suttree on May 25, 2011 9:10 AM EDT up reply actions  

If that's where we finally land, it might be better than the alternative

Too many holes, and new ones creeping up daily

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by sternfan1 on May 25, 2011 7:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

Don't you mean "hourly?"

Stop being so god damn optimistic all the time.

GO RAYS!

by SandalsNoPants on May 25, 2011 8:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

NIce Recap

Sure, there are going to be a lot more negative comments today than positive, but I was encouraged by some of the same things that you touched on.

  • Wade Davis seemed to have more velocity and was a bit “meaner” on the mound.
  • Sean Rodriguez had several nice at bats which is encouraging. I still don’t like boxing a 25 year old kid into a part time player based on splits. Maybe last night was enough to give Joe Maddon the confidence to give Rodriguez some extended playing time. Maybe Rodriguez does well enough to stick, maybe he falls flat and returns to his part time role, but either way I’d like to see the scenario play out.
  • Matt Joyce continues to impress and his value was never more understood than that moment where he clutched his elbow. If that didn’t quicken the pulse and turn the stomach than your probably dead.

Finally, here’s to hoping that the Rays take this afternoons game and head home fro an off day with a good feeling with Price, Shields, and Hellickson ready to rock and roll against the Tribe.

by MrNegative1 on May 25, 2011 9:04 AM EDT reply actions  

We'll see. I hope Rodriguez gets the chance to play everday, even if it means SF1 toots his own horn for another month.

He’s been atrocious against lefties throughout his career and his MLE splits aren’t that encouraging, but it’s also only about 450 PAs. Doesn’t it take like 600 PA to tell if someone actually has a real platoon split?

As for Wade, he only handed out two free passes and struck out four. That’s better.

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by Suttree on May 25, 2011 9:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

Sooner or later people see things my way

Why fight what eventually becomes reality?

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by sternfan1 on May 25, 2011 9:10 AM EDT up reply actions  

Well, no.

Because you called Matt Joyce a Quad-A player. And there’s a dozen other ridiculous things you’ve said that have no basis in reality.

@ptSuttery

by Suttree on May 25, 2011 9:10 AM EDT up reply actions  

if you'll check most of that stuff is during the heat of a game or shortly thereafter

when i calm down and rationalize things, my conclusions are much more realistic

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by sternfan1 on May 25, 2011 9:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

laughable

If you throw enough shit against the wall, something’s going to stick. I like that you are now trying to create your own brand. What an attention whore.

by rglass44 on May 25, 2011 11:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

Indians have a better chance v Lester tonight

than thinking Sonny and the Rays will come out on top v Penny and the Tigers

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by sternfan1 on May 25, 2011 9:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

Apparently Sonny and Maddon talked about pitching like he did in 2008.

Hopefully that means he dropped the cutter from his repertoire.

@ptSuttery

by Suttree on May 25, 2011 9:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

Hopefully he builds a fucking time machine and kills himself in 2007

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by blackraven on May 5, 2011 3:46 PM EDT

by Sandy Kazmir on May 25, 2011 10:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

well Lester

has been horrible his last two outings, so that helps.

Detroit is a good team and the Rays are struggling, so what I’ll do is hope the Indians beat the Red Sox and the Rays beat the Tigers and enjoy the off day tomorrow.

by MrNegative1 on May 25, 2011 9:13 AM EDT up reply actions  

Man you hit the nail on the head with that last bullet point.

I was watching on my phone on the way home and I felt sick to my stomach at first.

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by blackraven on May 5, 2011 3:46 PM EDT

by Sandy Kazmir on May 25, 2011 10:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

Wade Davis' FIP over 5 now

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by Sveet on May 25, 2011 9:18 AM EDT reply actions  

Wade Davis doesn't have an out pitch all really good pitchers need

He gets two strikes on hitters and can’t put them away leading to high PC and the hitter seeing more and more of his repertoire, which is never a good thing

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by sternfan1 on May 25, 2011 9:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

Well, he's supposed to have that hammer curve.

I only paid attention to the game tangentially last night, so the only time I saw him throw it the hitter fouled it off.

It doesn’t help that he struck out Cabrera and then gave up a 2-run shot when the call didn’t go his way.

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by Suttree on May 25, 2011 9:23 AM EDT up reply actions  

It was actually a 3 R bomb

And you’re correct, just cause you don’t get a call you groove a pitch to Miggy?

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by sternfan1 on May 25, 2011 9:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

We went over this last night. That was far from a grooved pitch.

If anything, it was a tough fastball in on the hands.

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by Steve Slowinski on May 25, 2011 9:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

He got swinging strikes on 20% of his curves last night.

Granted, it was only something like 2 swinging strikes out of 10 pitches. But yeah, he still seems to have a nice curve…it looked good last night when he could locate it.

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by Steve Slowinski on May 25, 2011 9:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

I understand the coaching staff's "fastball command first" philosophy, but it would be nice to see our pitchers go to their breaking stuff earlier.

Certainly Shields does with his change up. Price can get away with it most of the time because he’s got an 80 fastball coming from the left side, but Wade doesn’t have quite the same luxury.

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by Suttree on May 25, 2011 9:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

This is where I was at last year hoping he'd have more confidence in his secondary stuff and then after his DL stint he did go to it more with better results

Hopefully he’s still getting dialed in

@SandyKazmir
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by blackraven on May 5, 2011 3:46 PM EDT

by Sandy Kazmir on May 25, 2011 10:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

Wade

Davis needs to throw that knockout curve for a strike or drop it just below. Throwing a 12-6 curve in the dirt isn’t doing much.

The elevated fastball got him alot of Ks in 09 (up and above the hands), and batters remarked how it was unhittable because of the late life.

Example: http://mlb.mlb.com/video/play.jsp?content_id=6514303

by mr. maniac on May 25, 2011 11:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

I love when he's getting a bunch of arm-side run as it moves more like a two-seamer with the velocity of a four=seamer

I’d love to see more of that 2009 version, but even his better starts last year didn’t remind me a whole lot of that. Maybe he’s just a guy that takes a month or two to get fully stretched out. Maybe his fastball isn’t good enough until he’s stretched out a bit more and even then he has a slim margin for error. I wish he’d not be so exclusive with the fastball because it’s not good enough of a pitch to live and die with it. All of this out there, but I’m still happy that our #4 pitcher keeps us in games, particularly against one of the best in the AL last night.

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by blackraven on May 5, 2011 3:46 PM EDT

by Sandy Kazmir on May 25, 2011 11:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

You and RJ love your strawmen

The caller said the boy, after removing the bulb from its socket, left the building and threw the bulb on the ground. When the bulb broke, the caller said the boy screamed "I’ve run message boards for 12 years"

by Top Gun Numba 1 on May 25, 2011 9:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

....

It’s not like he lollygagged after that ball.

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by Steve Slowinski on May 25, 2011 9:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

Oh, of course.

‘Twas a horrible play. But I still don’t see how saying ‘lazy’ would be justified there though.

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by Steve Slowinski on May 25, 2011 9:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

If he made more than 2 fielding errors in a half year I'd be concerned.

But for the post part he’s lock down out there. So who fucking cares if he drops a ball.

Really wish a run wouldn’t have scored but what can you do.

@dobbertweets

by blackraven on May 25, 2011 9:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

lol numbers

I watch the game, not a spreadsheet.

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by blackraven on May 25, 2011 10:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

BAD LINK

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by Sveet on May 25, 2011 10:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

I do enjoy doing that

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by Sveet on May 25, 2011 10:04 AM EDT up reply actions  

.
The page you were looking for doesn’t exist.

You may have mistyped the address or the page may have moved.

Perhaps you mistyped that?

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by blackraven on May 5, 2011 3:46 PM EDT

by Sandy Kazmir on May 25, 2011 10:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

It was much more of a mental error than an effort thing.

The caller said the boy, after removing the bulb from its socket, left the building and threw the bulb on the ground. When the bulb broke, the caller said the boy screamed "I’ve run message boards for 12 years"

by Top Gun Numba 1 on May 25, 2011 9:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

So you are saying he's dumb?

I bet David Eckstein never makes a mental mistake

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by Sveet on May 25, 2011 9:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, very true.

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by Steve Slowinski on May 25, 2011 9:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

Gerrout

No room for your BJ hate here

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by Sveet on May 25, 2011 9:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

He clearly did.

Then he chugged a 40 and shot a white fan.

Were you not watching the game?

@dobbertweets

by blackraven on May 25, 2011 9:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

Why the hate for RIUNs?

Some of us understand the game but just dont use the interwebs alot and arnt as cool with the names.

by Rayskins on May 25, 2011 9:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

LOL

@SandyKazmir
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by blackraven on May 5, 2011 3:46 PM EDT

by Sandy Kazmir on May 25, 2011 10:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

Joe needs to stop shuffling the deck

and play the cards.We are 50 games into this season and fighting for a playoff spot.
Jennings LF
Zobo 2B
Damon DH
Longo 3B
Joyce RF
BJ CF
Kotch 1B
S-Rod SS
Jaso – Chirinos C

This is as obvious as the nose on your face. LETS ROLE

by Landlord on May 25, 2011 9:57 AM EDT reply actions  

I like the general feel of that lineup,

But Jennings isn’t coming up until past the Super Two date. It is what it is.

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by Steve Slowinski on May 25, 2011 10:02 AM EDT up reply actions  

KOTCHMAN FOR LEADOFF!

That way his weak grounders don’t become double plays

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by Sveet on May 25, 2011 10:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

"Fighting for a playoff spot"

@SandyKazmir
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by blackraven on May 5, 2011 3:46 PM EDT

by Sandy Kazmir on May 25, 2011 10:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

No, he's struggling with off-speed but has had a few hard hit balls

It real hurts to have Longo and Zo stone cold at the same time, but I don’t think its a long term issue. With no leadoff man and 3-4 ice cold, we are too heavily relying on a crappy bottom of the order.

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by FreeZorilla on May 25, 2011 10:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

Thought's on Longo?

He hasn’t seem right since he got plunked all those times after an initial hot streak. Maybe he’s sore, maybe he’s leery to lean in. Maybe it’s in his head a bit and that’s why he’s just trying to go after outer 1/3rd stuff. He’s certainly not getting many pitches in his wheelhouse:

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by blackraven on May 5, 2011 3:46 PM EDT

by Sandy Kazmir on May 25, 2011 11:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yea, saw your observation last night, seems astute

I don’t think it will linger.

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by FreeZorilla on May 25, 2011 11:04 AM EDT up reply actions  

I thought he was sore

and had the same thoughts.Then he made that play when he ran 10 miles and caught that foul pop when Joe had him in that shift.That did not look like a wounded warrior.I think pitchers have just been giving him crap outside to go after.He will adjust and bust lose.

by Landlord on May 25, 2011 11:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yes, you think he's a pussy

We get it

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by Sveet on May 25, 2011 11:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

Not really...

Longo is struggling too and Zobs helped carry us while Longo was down so I am willing to give him some time to break out of his slump. Besides his slump isn’t that bad right now. It’s the offspeed stuff he’s gotta adjust too.

by Brayvesfan on May 25, 2011 10:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

Who hasn't been attempting something the last few years?

To Zobs credit, I think he was hurt most of last year and played through it. Every hitter has a weakness and most of the time it is the offspeed stuff. For those type of guys, it is more about recognizing the pitch out of the hand. Its very hard to do for some. That is why I hate the guessing approach to hitting. I prefer the look FB react offspeed. But, I see a lot of rays hitters going with the guessing approach.

by Brayvesfan on May 25, 2011 11:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

The other day someone used the term 'pace' as a way to diminish one of our best hitters

So today iask, what is Longoria’s HR pace?

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by sternfan1 on May 25, 2011 11:10 AM EDT reply actions  

zips has him at 18, missing the month set him back, but he's going to get hot at some point and it's going to be nice.

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by blackraven on May 5, 2011 3:46 PM EDT

by Sandy Kazmir on May 25, 2011 11:13 AM EDT up reply actions  

Same guy who lost two bets on his "pace" last year?

Do you realize Betty White is a milf for me? Ouch

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