Reid Brignac: What's Up With That?
by Erik Hahmann on May 4, 2011 10:00 AM EDT
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PrintWe're all well aware of the many players the Rays "lost" this off season. Players like Carl Crawford, Carlos Pena, Rafael Soriano, and Joaquin Benoit left without any in house replacements. However, one everyday player, Jason Bartlett, did leave with someone ready to step in. Reid Brignac was given the job before spring training even started, with no real competition on the roster.
Before people criticize the Rays for not pursuing better options, one thing needs to be made clear: the market for shortstops wasn't exactly booming. The biggest shortstop acquisition involved J.J. Hardy being traded to Baltimore. While Hardy is a good player, he's not exactly a world beater. So the Rays set on ahead with their young shortstop, with no time to look back. Brignac hasn't exactly lit up the box scores this season, and while many players on the team have struggled, it seems like he's getting the most heat among everyday players.
Looking at his 2011 numbers, one thing comes to mind: IT'S EARLY. Is he ever going to put up an All-Star level season? Not likely. Can he be an average offensive shortstop with an above average glove? Yes. Before we start comparing Brignac's 2011 to his 2010 season, let's review when offensive statistics become relilable:
- 50 PA: Swing%
- 100 PA: Contact Rate
- 150 PA: Strikeout Rate, Line Drive Rate, Pitches/PA
- 200 PA: Walk Rate, Ground Ball Rate, GB/FB
- 250 PA: Fly Ball Rate
- 300 PA: Home Run Rate, HR/FB
- 500 PA: OBP, SLG, OPS, 1B Rate, Popup Rate
- 550 PA: ISO
Got that? Ok, lets compare some important numbers over the past two seasons:
K%: 2010: 25.6%, 2011: 22.7%
BB%: 2010: 6.1%, 2011: 4.2%
LD%: 2010: 19.5%, 2011: 20.4%
GB%: 2010: 38.5%, 2011: 34.7%
FB%: 2010: 42.1%, 2011: 44.9%
Plate Dicipline Statistics: There are too many to list, but I'll link to them here. These include the percentage of pitches he swings at in and out of the zone, his contact percentage, etc. Suffice it to say that the numbers this season are in line with 2010.
The biggest difference in his statistics? The 2010 stats are based on 326 PA while he only has 71 in 2011 -- which goes back to the note about when the statistics become reliable. The only number that's off so much that it becomes noticeable is Brignac's BABIP. So far it's sitting at .275, down from .317 in 2010 and .312 for his career. I put his numbers in an xBABIP calculator, and it showed me that we should expect his BABIP to be around .303. That's a good sign, but not a hugely telling one. Brignac may have better numbers -- maybe even an extra base hit! -- but they wouldn't be gangbusters either. It's far too early to tell anything signifigant.
Last season the average OPS of MLB shortstops was .668. Brignac was at .692. Unless his strikeout rate increases exponentially, I don't see a scenario where he doesn't surpass the .668 mark. That's not a mark he should be shooting for, mind you, but we're long past the point of thinking Brignac can be an above average bat. Despite what his numbers currently suggest, he is average. And as we've said on this site many times, being average isn't a bad thing at all.
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I pray daily Reid Brignac NEVER gets 550 PA to find out
what most reasonable people already know
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HE HAS .5 MORE WAR IN A FRACTION OF THE TIME
#2010argumentsforReidOverMVB
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It never grew tiresome until Reid started struggling upon inheriting the job, but last season it was brutal and relentless.
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That was last year, so who gives a shit?
Are you proposing we shouldn’t have traded Bartlett and he should be the team’s starting shortstop?
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.711 the rest of the way assuming current usage will get him to .668
Seems slightly optimistic but doable.
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Zips has him at .663 for the rest of the season with .634 as the full season projection
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the reason i come down on the Rays for giving him the SS job
is his minor league numbers were never ones at AAA that would make someone think he would do anything offensive
also, it’s not like he’s Elvis Andrus with a glove, or for that matter 19 or 20 where he’ll become a good bat
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define fantastic--remember Suttree i saw Omar Vizquel play the position in CLE for years
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You're rendering judgement about a player's defense after 24 games.
And he doesn’t have to be Omar Vizquel to justify being in the lineup.
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I guess no one is good if that's your benchmark
That Ozzie Smith guy was pretty good, but he’s below average if the average is Vizquel. You’re just creating benchmarks that prove your point. It’s dishonest and makes you look like a low-rent charlatan. You’re awful is what I’m saying
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by Sandy Kazmir on May 4, 2011 11:41 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I'd expect LA SS to be down as well along with the rest of baseball, unless the league as a whole is in a slump and is going to heat up at some point
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by Sandy Kazmir on May 4, 2011 11:40 AM EDT up reply actions
I'd agree with you, temps heat up, pitchers wear out a bit, the stands are packed so players try harder
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by Sandy Kazmir on May 4, 2011 11:49 AM EDT up reply actions
the stands are packed so players try harder
Not me, I hate failure more than success and baseball is rife with failure I hated packed crowds, but I’m not a fan of the spotlight. I own my own company and work from home, so I don’t really need artificial ego boosts like a special desk or permission to go eat lunch.
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Twas a joke
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by Sandy Kazmir on May 4, 2011 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions
If i click my heels three times and say
Hak Ju Lee and Derek Dietrich will it happen sooner?
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Derek Dietrich is not a major-league caliber defensive SS
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by Imperialism32 on May 4, 2011 10:52 AM EDT up reply actions
and wont be
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by Imperialism32 on May 4, 2011 10:53 AM EDT up reply actions
i was thinking more of Dietrich at 2B, and Lee at SS
what Lee has to his advantage over a Brignac is age, he can grow into a better hitter as he’s hopefully showing now. Briggy has no clue on an approach right now , and history suggests he never will
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well of course--which leads to another area
Rays have lagged in developing any middle INF or C or really anyone(position players) in their system for a while now
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everywhere but pitching? yes especially for one that
many feel is so good at developing talent
look at CLE right now at AA and AAA
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i reapeat. i'm not a fan of theirs, but keep your eye
on Alex White and Drew Pomeranz in the rotation by ’12
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Alex White made his debut the other night and looked OK
I like the ground ball rates now that they finally have a very good infield defense. It’s amazing what having SSs at 2nd, 3rd, and SS can do for you.
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by Sandy Kazmir on May 4, 2011 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions
An infield of Everett, Cabrera, Cabrera is pretty awesome even if they can't hit
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by Sandy Kazmir on May 4, 2011 11:49 AM EDT up reply actions
What's the ultimate WAR ceiling there, though?
9 b/w the 3 of them? Absolute ceiling? Everett can’t hit well enough to stick FT at SS, and OCab isn’t a plus SS anymore (and can he still hit?).
Everett still has + range for 3B and a + Arm for 3B
O-Cab is playing 2B where he still has good range and his arm is hidden a bit. Fausto, Masterson, and Talbot average around 60% GBs and Alex White also is about 50% in his sole start. Having great defense behind ground balling pitchers might not be captured by WAR, but I think it’s a brilliant idea. Play the bigger bats when one of these guys isn’t on the hill.
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by Sandy Kazmir on May 4, 2011 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions
I don't disagree with it, but the ceiling isn't there.
It’s a great way to win 75-85 games in a shit division though. They also have some decent position prospects coming through soon.
Yeah Chisenhall should stick from the start and to be fair Everett is more of a super util with
Hannahan getting most of the playing time at 3B. Of course, he’s also fantastic over there with the glove, and hitting well to start. LaPorta getting it going is huge. They’re a decent team in a bad division. I’m jealous
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by Sandy Kazmir on May 4, 2011 12:01 PM EDT up reply actions
You're telling me they're not going to win 116 games?
Get the fudge outta here
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by Sandy Kazmir on May 4, 2011 12:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Trading away the only players worth a damn and collecting draft picks is a good way to build a team/farm
Kudos to them, but our wins are banked over the last 3 years
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by Sandy Kazmir on May 4, 2011 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions
Development hasn't been the problem
It’s that they simply weren’t drafting position players in the early rounds for a few years
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by Imperialism32 on May 4, 2011 11:13 AM EDT up reply actions
and now they're paying dearly for it with a line up that looks like Durham South
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We have the 8th best lineup in the AL without having had our best player for most of the month.
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there are some very weak and/or under performing line ups in the AL
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To be fair, sterny does have a point.
Casey Kotchman, Elliot Johnson, Sam Fuld – these guys are getting a lot of playing time and not giving me the most confidence in our lineup long term. We’ll be good, but we’ve also probably overperformed so far considering the names that have been in the lineup.
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by Steve Slowinski on May 4, 2011 11:30 AM EDT up reply actions
True, it'll get a lot better when we call up MiL talent.
And yeah, Longo’s been hurt, but I’m just saying we shouldn’t expect our lineup to be the 8th best in the league going forward, considering the players in it.
I can’t say I’ve put numbers behind this exactly, but it just feels like our offense has been unsustainably good after that first slump.
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by Steve Slowinski on May 4, 2011 11:33 AM EDT up reply actions
Well, I said 8th best in the AL.
Which means in the bottom half. I was being cute.
Fuld and Upton have seemed to settle into who they’re going to be. Obviously Kotchman will decline, but we should see gains from Longoria, Dan Johnson, Damon and maybe even a little more from Rodriguez, though his totals are skewed because of his failures against RHP.
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Ah, hmm...good point. 8th is low...for some reason I was thinking all of mlb.
I do expect us to have a good offense going forward, just not a great one.
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by Steve Slowinski on May 4, 2011 12:06 PM EDT up reply actions
it pains me to sort of agree with SF1
But I could see Dietrich as a Jeff Kent-type at 2B. Of course, the minors are littered with guys who destroyed A-ball and went nowhere, so this is insanely premature.
Also: there isn’t a team in baseball that wouldn’t want Reid Brignac.
by AndrewTorrez on May 4, 2011 11:06 AM EDT up reply actions
MLB is filled with Reid Brignac's--think John McDonald with less glove as his ceiling
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not at all Suttree, comparing anyone defensively with Johnny Mac is an honor
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Comparison
Not all that informative, and McDonald didn’t get over 25 PAs until his age 26 season, but Brignac has already outperformed him, and he is plenty younger.
"While Hardy is a great player, he's not exactly a world beater."
Did Peter King ghost write this?
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I didn't touch that one.
Nice try, Hahmann.
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by Steve Slowinski on May 4, 2011 3:38 PM EDT up reply actions
I seriously doubt there is a single team in baseball who's homegrown positional WAR from 2008-now is higher than the Rays.
I’d be shocked actually.
Depends what we're defining homegrown as. We've acquired a lot of young players through trades.
Guys we’ve drafted and brought up: Upton, Longoria, Jaso, Brignac, Crawford.
You have to remember that Dukes washed out, we traded Delmon Young and Rocco got sick. Skews SF1’s argument in his favor.
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I know those guys washed out, but you're looking at like 12 wins annually.
Only the Phils I can come up with offhand. The Sawx may be close as well.
Mmm, I don't know about the Sawx.
Ellsbury, Pedroia.. Varitek? A ton of their guys over that period came from other systems.
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Yep, I had it in my head he had been in the A's system.
Even still, Youk, Pedroia, Ellsbury and Varitek are the only players of consequence in 08-10 span that the Red Sox have developed. And Ellsbury and Varitek haven’t done much in terms of WAR.
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Varitek was acquired via trade when he was in the minors. If we're not going to count Zobrist we shouldn't count Tek
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by Sandy Kazmir on May 4, 2011 11:47 AM EDT up reply actions
He came from Seattle if I recollect though I can't think who he was for
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by Sandy Kazmir on May 4, 2011 11:50 AM EDT up reply actions
Heathcliff Slocumb?
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by Sandy Kazmir on May 4, 2011 11:54 AM EDT up reply actions
errrrr I'm an idiot
Heathcliff Slocumb. I could picture him, but confused the name. Sawx also got D-Lowe in that one.
A good starter/reliever and a Captain for a reliever, pretty nice trade
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by Sandy Kazmir on May 4, 2011 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions
Sounds like a really cool idea to me.
Take ’er away Glass.
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by Steve Slowinski on May 4, 2011 11:31 AM EDT up reply actions
PlayIndex should be able to help with that, no?
http://bbref.com/pi/shareit/rxU2j and just filter out the guys that were FA or trades
by Jason Collette on May 4, 2011 11:35 AM EDT up reply actions
It would be a good one.
Unless I missed some players, the Twins’ positional players are at 47 WAR and the Rays at 48.5 from 2008-2010.
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For the Twins, I used Spann, Kubel, Valencia, Mauer and Morneau.
For the Rays, Longoria, Crawford, Brignac, Jaso, and Upton.
Obviously I left out Rocco, Dukes, Riggins and probably someone else. Don’t know who I forgot on the Twins.
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Gotta use EJ while he's here, I suppose
I like that he blooped a single, stole second, and moved to 3rd on a medium depth flyball to center. He could have tied the game with a bit better luck
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by Sandy Kazmir on May 4, 2011 12:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Roddy has a 346 wOBA with a 375 BABIP against LHP
Even if we (generously) say his true talent BABIP is 340 against them then that wOBA is going to be ~320 going forward (assuming the other inputs are stable, which they look to be). Reid has a .201 wOBA (ouch) against them with a .228 BABIP. Estimating (conservatively) that Reid has a true talent 270 BABIP against them and his wOBA going forward is going to be ~240. The gap in 80 wOBA points turns into a gap of like… a quarter of a run a game, so Reid would have to be 40 runs better per season defensively to justify batting him over Rodriguez.
The decision is indeed baffling unless they want Brignac to hopefully develop into a better hitter against lefties.
by benderbrodriguez on May 4, 2011 12:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Well, as Sandy put it, I guess they feel E.J. at short, Rodriguez at 2B, and Zobrist in RF against LHP is a better option.
Hopefully that will change when Jennings arrives.
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I think it's a bit telling Reid continues to see AB chances vs LHP while Joyce is not
Joyce is showing an ability to hit line drives to all fields and looks a lot better than Brignac does. I couldn’t believe he wasn’t in there yesterday vs that garbage on the mound.
by Jason Collette on May 4, 2011 12:11 PM EDT up reply actions
John Danks, Ricky Romero, other guys that live off their change to righties?
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by Sandy Kazmir on May 4, 2011 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions
SS is a position where you'd rather have a player that is marginally better with the glove
RF you’d prefer to have the better bat. If a lefty starting means we get S-Rod at second and Zobie in RF then I’m cool with that. Once we shed EJ it might mean S-Rod at SS, Zobie at 2B, and Joyce in RF, but they’ve shown no indication that they trust Roddy at SS so you have to figure that the defensive drop off is larger than the offensive pick up. I have no problem with Joyce sitting against lefties because it makes it easier for me to optimize my fantasy team.
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by Sandy Kazmir on May 4, 2011 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions
For a staff with the worst GB% in baseball
I think IF defense can afford to be compromised a wee bit
by benderbrodriguez on May 4, 2011 12:18 PM EDT up reply actions
I started the platoon Reid bandwagon with Roddy, but it won't happen as long as EJ is here
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by Sandy Kazmir on May 4, 2011 12:23 PM EDT up reply actions
It's ok I get that you and the other writers don't like me, I don't mind playing the underdog
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This isn't true
Joyce has 16 PA and Reid has 18. Granted I wish Joyce had considerably more.
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Yeah but, 25% of Reid's have come against lefties, while 18% have come against lefties for Joyce due to more overall plate appearances.
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by Sandy Kazmir on May 4, 2011 12:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Brignac vs. MLB
By rough count, I’d say that there are at least 10 MLB teams starting shortstops worse than Reid Brignac: Paul Janish (CIN), Clint Barmes (HOU), Yuniesky Betancourt (MIL), Ronny Cedeno (PIT), Jason Bartlett (SD), Mike Fontenot (SF), Derek Jeter (NYY), Alcides Escobar (KC), Cliff Pennington (OAK), and Brendan Ryan (SEA). Personally, I think Jamey Carroll on the Dodgers has the lateral movement of continental drift, so I’d add him to the list as well. Oh, and I’m pretty sure that if Reid were on the Twins, he’d be starting at second base over Luke Hughes and Matt Tolbert.
That’s assuming zero development (although it does assume some regression to the mean from his atrocious start). Right now, Reid Brignac is better than 40% of the shortstops in MLB. Brignac is essentially the same prospect as the Nationals’ Ian Desmond — who will probably get NL ROY votes.
Dim-witted comparisons to John McDonald aside, it’s hard to play above-average defense at shortstop in the major leagues. It’s even harder to do so while hitting even passably well. Right now Brignac is a serious asset. Period.
All of that being said: +1 to getting S-Rod some innings at short versus lefties.
I was going to use the Desmond comp the other day, both won't hit for avg. or obp, but should have some thunder in their slg.
The reason I didn’t bring this up is because Reid is a much better player defensively.
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by Sandy Kazmir on May 4, 2011 12:40 PM EDT up reply actions
I think Desmond might end up being a little better with the stick to offset some of the defensive difference.
The Nats are screwing the pooch with Espinosa at 2B and Desmond at SS.
Brignac is such a strange prospect, developmentally
His scouting reports were Derek Dietrich-esque, and he was essentially an all-bat prospect until 2006. Then the bat disappeared and he started showing up on BA’s “best defensive shortstop in the Southern League” list.
IF you think the organization told him to concentrate on his defense in 2007 and the extra effort on the field masked (to some degree) his true hitting skills, then Brignac’s upside is something like a .260-hitting Stephen Drew, or J.J. Hardy’s 2007. That’s a pretty long-shot ceiling, obviously.
But even without optimism, a plus (to plus-plus) defender at SS with a 700 OPS is pretty darn valuable.
by AndrewTorrez on May 4, 2011 12:53 PM EDT up reply actions
I haven't seen any plus-plus
but I wonder if as his stick disappoints, the perceived defensive value will increase it it does with catchers (Nevin).
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we can call it FreeZo's law of shortstop defense
But seriously: good range, great arm, good instincts. So far this year the only plays I’ve seen him not make are experience/mental errors.
by AndrewTorrez on May 4, 2011 12:56 PM EDT up reply actions
You're fucking trolling at this point if you haven't seen Brignac make some outstanding plays.
14 plays made out of his zone so far. That’s 6th best in the league despite having 40 or so less innings than the players ahead of him.
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I think he's good at defense, but I want to know how many runs above average people project him at over 150 games
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I am assuming you are talking about for 2011 and not considering contract status
Zips Update has Briggy projected 45th in wOBA amongst SS. Zips RoS which ignores the brutal start only has him as the 43rd best offensive SS. There are very real bat concerns that I think are too easily dismissed.
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I'm considering offense + defense, money as no object
The fact that Brignac is 25 and dirt cheap doesn’t factor into it.
Seriously: can you make an argument that the Rays would be better with any of the 12 guys I listed? If anything, I think I was too conservative; it doesn’t take much of an argument to prefer Brignac to Alex Gonzalez, for example.
by AndrewTorrez on May 4, 2011 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions
How many runs do you projectBriggy's glove to be abovr avg over 150 games
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Fair
Anything above this would see too optimistic. That puts him right around #10 in MLB over the past 2 seasons with a sttick projected to be 43rd best at his position going forward. I don’t think thats much to get excited about.
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I don't think anyone is excited, but we're not using a slump to justify a thesis created a year ago
I’m happy to have him for League Min and hope his defense can carry his bat.
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Throw in salary and age and I'm all for the Briggy experience
but the comment I was responding to was 2010 performance alone. I don’t think I’m ready to label him a top 15 SS.
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I don't think he's going to be an elite level player and I doubt most of the site feels that way.
Maybe they did in the past, but it’s pretty clear he’s going to be somewhere between Betancourt and Khalil Greene’s best years.
1-2 wins per year for the next 3 seasons. Unless someone better becomes available (which wasn’t the case this off season), I don’t understand why Brignac is even a topic of discussion.
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This has been an on-going discussion between you, me, Sterny and others for a couple weeks now.
I do disagree with the notion that Brignac is going to be above average with the bat. There’s nothing in his track record to suggest that.
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could be 8-10 UZR/150
Anything above 10 is defensive genius, but 8-10 would put him on a par with Cesar Izturis, which looks about right.
3rd best in league, wouldn't be comfortable projecting that on anybody
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Take a look at the UZR/150 leaderboards from year-to-year
Typically you have 1-2 guys who are otherworldly (12+ UZR/150), then another 1-2 somewhere between 10-12, then a couple between 8-10, and then a huge slug of guys in the 4-5 range.
So in 2010, you had Ryan (12.1) in the “otherworldly” category; Alexei Ramirez and Stephen Drew (??) in the 10+ range, and Cliff Pennington and Troy Tulowitzki at 8.8 and 8.1.
In 2009, you had Wilson, Andrus, Izturis and Alex Fucking Gonzalez all at 12.1 or above, and then three more guys at 8.0 or above (Jeter, Everett, Hardy).
In 2008, it was Rollins, Cabrera, and Tejada (?? again, casting serious doubt on this stat) off the charts, with Izturis and Hardy behind them.
So yeah, I’m saying I think it’s reasonable — if optimistic — to project Brignac in the top 7-8 of SS defensively.
Sure thats why I used the multiyr approach
Only 3 SS were 8 or above over a 2 yr period per 150 with a ceiling of 10ish
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yeah, we're in vigorous agreement
I wouldn’t project anyone to be 8-10 wins above average at short from year-to-year; it’s too variable of a stat. I stand by my Cesar Izturis comp (and point out that he had a 4.1 UZR/150 in 2003, a 4.4 in 2007, and a 5.8 last year). Even Andrus showed up as a 0.3 last year.
Still at 7.4 for career though
Probably safe to say thats a fair number for him. So then you do project him to be close to 8-10.
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My real question is
what did everyone expect from Briggy? I know it’s been a rough start, but it’s funny how fast everyone forgets that it’s just a SSS and it looks worse because it’s the beginning of the year (remember that 1-8 start?) Yes he’s going to regress a bit with the bat, but this is the player we knew we had. If you were expecting Briggy to do a whole lot more before the season started, you were being hopeful. The guy is gonna rape with the glove and do enough at the plate to justify him being in the lineup
a whole lot more? He's not toiling around .600-.650 OPS
He is at .469. Thats almost a dreadful as you can be at the plate.
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Hence why I said he will regress and he's in a slump?
Jumping .150 in OPS is obviously a big deal, but even when you’re OPSing .625 it’s not as if you’re making a lot happen with the bat. I just know almost everyone that is complaining about him right now would still be complaining if his OPS was .600+
by BJ the Bossman on May 4, 2011 1:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Well get ready to be annoyed
Because I’d be very surprised if it gets much better than .650
by BJ the Bossman on May 4, 2011 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions
This is what I'm saying. At .600-.650, people will get all shiny new toy on him at some point.
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I'd be far less concerned.
I’d also be less concerned if he had more of a track record.
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Meh, that's probably not fair at all. Ceiling is probably Khalil Greene.
Just referring more to Drew developing in the majors.
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Show me where I said that not in capital letters
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so what's your proposition?
Or is it just shit on him and pretend like your boyfriend isn’t OPSing .550 in the weaker league?
I think the Rays should continue to platoon him until he hits RHP
If he continues to struggle mightily I might explore deadline deals if the Rays are contending.
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For those calling for SRod at SS against RHP
What would you think of the idea of DFA EJ and calling up Guyer, that way Guyer can play RF against LHP. Joe has shown that he for some reason doesn’t want Joyce in there.
that being said I still think that Reid regresses to near average offensively while being very very good on defense and his defense will be enough to warrant him playing everyday.
That being said I don’t understand why nobody is bringing up the idea of platooning Sam Fuld. Let Zobrist or Joyce play LF and Rodriguez at 2B. Fuld is OPS only .611 against LHP and if I had to lose a better defensive player I would rather lose that player in LF opposed to SS.
he shouldn't be in against RHP this would be my ideal platoon
against LHP
CF Upton
DH Damon
3B Longoria
LF Zobrist
RF Joyce
2B Rodriguez
C Shoppach
1B Johnson
SS Brignac
vs RHP
LF Fuld
DH Damon
3B Longoria
RF Joyce
2B Zobrist
CF Upton
1B Kotchman
C Jaso
SS Brignac
If Niemann goes on the DL today
I could see the team bringing up Guyer until they need another starter.
by AndrewTorrez on May 5, 2011 10:01 AM EDT up reply actions
Here's some data on draft and war
A little project I was working on. Figured from the WAR of developed players talk above someone might find this interesting.
http://tribetalk365.blogspot.com/2010/10/american-league-draft-war-review.html
I’ve got the NL Data as wel, just never posted it.
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