Hellickson Pitches Well, But Beckett One-Hits The Rays; Sox Win 3-0
by BWoodrum on Jun 15, 2011 11:58 PM EDT
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Jeremy Hellickson (7-5) looked sharp through six innings, but the Rays needed more. Paired against the elite Josh Beckett (6-2), the Rays young right-hander had an immense task at hand. Hellboy finished his night allowing only 4 hits and 2 walks, while striking out only 2 (which is not so great). Unfortunately, two of those hits -- as well as one of those walks (an intentional BB to Adrian Gonzalez) -- came in the game-changing 7th inning.
The inning started poorly with Jacoby Ellsbury fighting through a 9-pitch at bat, spoiling Hellickson's otherwise brilliant pace. Then Dustin Pedroia tripled on a near-homer to right field. The Rays then put Gonzalez on base, only to watch Kevin Youkilis pop a homer to left field.
Of course, the free pass did not pan out for the Rays, but it proved a moot point. The only hit -- and only base runner -- the Tampa Bay hitters could muster, an infield single off Reid Brignac's bat, was certainly insufficient to come back from a 1-run deficit, much less a 3-run deficit.
Notes from the game:
- John Jaso caught a base stealer! A league leader no less!!! Everyone take a shot!
- What else can you say? The pitchers did their job, but Beckett was too much tonight.
- Oh, I know what to say: Hak-Ju Lee was 3 for 5 with 2 steals (and 1 caught stealing) today. This 20-year-old shortstop has a 127 wOBA+ in a league 2.7 years older than him. Durham, plz?
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Ty Morrison made his debut for the Crabs and had a pair of steals as well
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Lee and Beckham
2012 Durham Keystone Combo………..
2B-Beckham
SS-Lee
don't say that, you'll get stoned.
you reduce beckham’s trade value by moving him to 2B.
by raysfaninminnesota on Jun 16, 2011 8:16 AM EDT up reply actions
I agree
2b, like ss, is a luxury to have a good bat at. good defense is more important. there isn’t an offensive skill set that doesn’t play 2b.
Besides, beckham has power potential
What's the percentage above league average for wOBA (or wRC or whatever) for the top 10 or 15 2B as compared to SS?
I have a feeling it’s significantly higher.
You think he has that much room for improvement?
I know he’s young for the leagues he’s been in but I’m not entirely sure he can go from being league average at SS to much better than that at 2B or 3B.
Room for improvement?
He’s 21!!!!! Everyone knew he was raw when they picked him. Jesus Christ I feel like I’m taking crazy pills.
"that much"
I’m not saying that guy is anywhere near bad but you’re expecting him to go from around league average to far above it based solely on pedigree and this season.
Is that not true? You weren't worried at all by lack of production.
I know you kept saying “he’s young” but if you’re saying there wasn’t at least a little doubt, you’re full of shit.
Look at every post I've made about Bex.
You will see my opinion hasn’t changed much at all. I always had faith in his tools, ARL, and pedigree. I’m not as quick to jump off a prospect I like because they don’t put up good numbers. Prospecting isn’t about numbers.
I'm not talking about your posting. There's no way that you weren't sweating Becks at all.
The numbers weren’t really there and scouting reports weren’t exactly glowing. It looks like he’s putting it together and that’s great. I’m just unsure of how well his bat will play outside of SS.
by firemangreg on Jun 16, 2011 10:00 AM EDT up reply actions
It won't play as well obviously, but I think it'll play.
He doesn’t have to hit the bigs for like 4 more years. Plenty of time to figure it out.
Its because at 21 you have so much room to develop and at some point he will no longer be lagging in age for his league
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1990 or later birthdates in the SL
Henry Rodriguez 2B Carolina 02-09-1990
Nate Eovaldi RHP Chattanooga 02-13-1990
Allen Webster RHP Chattanooga 02-10-1990
Erasmo Ramirez RHP Jackson 05-02-1990
Jean Acevedo 2B Jackson 12-05-1990
Carlos Triunfel SS Jackson 02-27-1990
Kyle Skipworth C Jacksonville 03-01-1990
Randall Delgado RHP Mississippi 02-09-1990
Arodys Vizcaino RHP Mississippi 11-13-1990
Tim Beckham SS Montgomery 01-27-1990
Junior Lake SS Tennessee 03-27-1990
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by Imperialism32 on Jun 16, 2011 9:52 AM EDT up reply actions
.
Acevedo is only there as a back-up because I guess they need a MIF (one game played, June 13th, was in VSL/AZL last year)
Triunfel’s actually having a decent season not unlike Beckham’s: .289/.349/.450
Henry Rodriguez just got the bump from high-A (.891 OPS), six games in the SL
Same deal with Lake (.834 SL OPS), hitting .186 in 13 SL games
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by Imperialism32 on Jun 16, 2011 9:55 AM EDT up reply actions
and more importantly progressing while young
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by FreeZorilla on Jun 16, 2011 10:50 AM EDT up reply actions
He's hitting .300
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by Imperialism32 on Jun 16, 2011 9:41 AM EDT up reply actions
Looked it up, .306
The numbers aren’t there in previous years though. I know numbers mean a lot less in the low minors but this year he’s made big strides and I don’t know how long he’ll continue making those.
So you see him as what, a .400 wOBA 2B or 3B?
by firemangreg on Jun 16, 2011 10:02 AM EDT up reply actions
350ish? No idea. This is a very hard exercise.
So much of it IMO depends on when and under what circumstance he comes up. If he ends up moving off SS he’ll be a bit older and be expected to hit more (and probably put on weight to get more pop). If he stays at SS he’ll sacrifice hitting to stay smaller.
I was just looking for a range, not "his bat will play there"
Maybe I’m overestimating the amount of his value tied to his position.
by firemangreg on Jun 16, 2011 10:11 AM EDT up reply actions
value is always tied to position, but imo position also ends up dictating bat.
if your at ss, you need to stay trim enough to field it. if you move to 3rd u need to hit fgor more power so you sacrifice range. does that make sense?
Yeah, I get what you're saying.
I’m just waiting on more results before getting too excited.
by firemangreg on Jun 16, 2011 10:16 AM EDT up reply actions
Gaby's still at .389, don't be mad that I can spot talent and you guys can't
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by blackraven on May 5, 2011 3:46 PM EDT
by Sandy Kazmir on Jun 16, 2011 10:07 AM EDT up reply actions
I'm just busting your balls. I like Sanchez.
Got him in fantasy.
by firemangreg on Jun 16, 2011 10:09 AM EDT up reply actions
Maybe it's time for Friedman to start looking at BA a little differently
A team 2nd to the bottom in BB and near bottom in BA is in deep doo doo
While BA is never covered here, is it really a good thing when 3,4 or 5 hitters in our line up nightly are 240 and below hitters?
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No troll. Take a look at Upton, Jaso, Brignac, Shoppach, couple that with
Longoria and his awful season, slumping Joyce and it’s really a boring team to watch, with so many of their games having a predictable layout
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Bet lost.
If you hadn’t already lost it last night.
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by Steve Slowinski on Jun 16, 2011 9:54 AM EDT up reply actions
Its as though the ability to get on base requires either a base hit or a walk
Go on….
by GomesSweetGomes on Jun 16, 2011 9:15 AM EDT up reply actions
As i've said a few times here, pitchers understand Rays for the most part
aren’t good hitters—DO NOT WALK THEM—throw strikes and God knows they can’;t hit their way out of a paper bag
Friedman needs to tweak his profile a bit, the high OBP and power guy may need to be replaced by the better hitter
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That's why we have Kotchman, it's not the high OBP/SLG batters that are the problem
It’s the bat bat/good glove guys that have found their way on to the field or guys that are facing the weak side of their platoon but can’t be yanked out of the lineup because the alternative is worse. If Fuld doesn’t start for Ruggs last night then why is he on the team?
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by blackraven on May 5, 2011 3:46 PM EDT
by Sandy Kazmir on Jun 16, 2011 9:35 AM EDT up reply actions
I didn't realize it was time to pile on Joyce already
Ruggs went without a hit yesterday must mean he’s turned back into a pumpkin. Brignac did though, you should be all over promoting him.
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by blackraven on May 5, 2011 3:46 PM EDT
by Sandy Kazmir on Jun 16, 2011 9:45 AM EDT up reply actions
Joyce is a 260 hitter at best
but i’m the dumbass
problem with you guys, you over value our players—they aren’t that good
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they aren’t that good
Wins the ALE 2/3 years. Win 80+ games 4 in a row. Get to fuck. You’re a troll who’s sole joy is pissing on people. Get to fuck.
On the contrary, the problem is you overvalue them which leads to them failing your expectations
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Boom, outta here.
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by blackraven on May 5, 2011 3:46 PM EDT
by Sandy Kazmir on Jun 16, 2011 9:56 AM EDT up reply actions
One of his best all year
He almost legged it out in the 9th too. I’m just glad to see him making contact.
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by blackraven on May 5, 2011 3:46 PM EDT
by Sandy Kazmir on Jun 16, 2011 9:47 AM EDT up reply actions
He was doing projections for each player last night on Twitter
Almost without exception he is more bullish than ZiPs except for Joyce
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1-Call up Guyer, Jennings and Lobaton
2-Release Shoppach
3- Trade BJ Upton for anything
4- Demote Sonny
5- Get Cobb in the rotation for either Niemann or Davis
6- Pursue trading Damon (sad)
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Helly faces the minimum through six and then falls apart, it looked like he didn't have a pitch that could put away Tacoboy
The change was getting pulled foul and he didn’t dare go to the curve. Knew it was going to be a long inning at that point.
The difference between this team and 2008 showed itself last night. When Coco tried to hurt one of our players our roughneck pitcher was not afraid to offer retribution even if it meant guys were going to get suspended if a brawl broke out. Heck, Jamie didn’t even care about the runner or runs that came before as he was just grooving pitches until Coco came up. You have got to stand up for your teammates or you’re not a team, just a collection of guys that don’t give a shit about each other. Youkilis should have been put on his back, and hard.
Tip of the cap to Beckett, that was a hell of a performance now let’s go get em tonight as Price should look like Superman after facing to the two trickster righties.
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by blackraven on May 5, 2011 3:46 PM EDT
Here's what i see
Price will pitch decent, but will give up a couple bombs and that will decide the game, as we won’t match
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I don't think he gives up any "bombs"
And we win 3-1, do you honestly thing Buchholz is going to carry the Sox here?
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by blackraven on May 5, 2011 3:46 PM EDT
by Sandy Kazmir on Jun 16, 2011 9:39 AM EDT up reply actions
If you think 3R is all he gives up, you too must think he'll do fine v us
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Trop suppresses offense and we don't need much help in that regard
Why do you think we’ve seen two shutouts in this series already?
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by blackraven on May 5, 2011 3:46 PM EDT
by Sandy Kazmir on Jun 16, 2011 9:43 AM EDT up reply actions
Has he had back to back poor outings this year?
Face it, the Trop makes pitchers look good and batters look bad, for both teams. You can either act like this surprises you when we don’t hit at home (and neither does the opponent) or you can realize this is the way it is. Personally, I love seeing our pitchers with that advantage and am willing to deal with an offense that has to rely on being more creative than the opponent.
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by blackraven on May 5, 2011 3:46 PM EDT
by Sandy Kazmir on Jun 16, 2011 9:49 AM EDT up reply actions
Buttholz has struggled of late. We also tend to get to him IIRC.
We need speed merchants on base tonight. He gets hugely bothered by baserunners, especially ones that can run.
I’d be shocked if Price gives up more than one bomb tonight.
The difference between this team isn't some old school notion of head hunting. The differnce is we have Kotchman at 1B, Briggy's no-bat at SS, Longo's been hurt, Upton hasn't been as good, and the catcher position isn't getting as lucky.
Also, the division is absolutely stacked.
The talent on that team isn't a whole lot better than this one, but they wanted it more. It sounds stupid, but every single game was a playoff game
Life or death for three hours everyday, it was hard not to love that team, though this one is just as enjoyable. Lastly, it’s not about head hunting, it’s about leaving a bruise on a guy north of his knee and south of his shoulder and if he feels so inclined to charge the mound give him a couple more on his face. It’s never right to throw at a guy’s head, but you gotta pay someone back for taking a cheap shot at one of your exposed players
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by blackraven on May 5, 2011 3:46 PM EDT
by Sandy Kazmir on Jun 16, 2011 9:42 AM EDT up reply actions
It's the mindset that pervades this team and it goes beyond the Youk shenanigans. How many times has Longo been plunked this year?
I’m sick of the lack of spine that this team has shown.
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by blackraven on May 5, 2011 3:46 PM EDT
by Sandy Kazmir on Jun 16, 2011 9:47 AM EDT up reply actions
How so?
You played, you’re playing your rival that has been doing little dirty things all game. At some point you’ve got to stand up to them. That’s what the brawl in 2008 symbolized. The younger brother that started lifting over the summer wasn’t going to get picked on anymore. This team doesn’t have that and seems more robotic. It’s one thing to forget a win or a loss 30 mins after a game and quite another to play with passion during a game.
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by blackraven on May 5, 2011 3:46 PM EDT
by Sandy Kazmir on Jun 16, 2011 9:51 AM EDT up reply actions
This is your Henry VIII complex at work
I’m Randy Glass oooohhh look at my knickers and tiny sword:L
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by blackraven on May 5, 2011 3:46 PM EDT
by Sandy Kazmir on Jun 16, 2011 9:54 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I agree
I don’t think it’s why we are losing, but I would have loved to bring in Farns in the 9th to drill Youk
Russell would have been the right choice had they gone that direction
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I just wanted Farns to do it
bc you know Youk wouldn’t have said a peep.
Because if he did Farnsy would have knocked his head off
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lol
Youk got paawned by a 1175 lb Porcello. No chance FZ’s tribesman takes that chance with Russell on the bump.
1175 lb Porcello
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by FreeZorilla on Jun 16, 2011 10:58 AM EDT up reply actions
We're above .500, the losing isn't what bothers me as we're hanging around until our reinforcements get here
What bothers me is seeing a team that’s not playing like brothers. Maybe it’s the constant shuttling of players and the fact that many of these guys have not played together before unlike past teams.
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by blackraven on May 5, 2011 3:46 PM EDT
by Sandy Kazmir on Jun 16, 2011 9:53 AM EDT up reply actions
i really hope Kotch gets replaced by someone
Canzler or DanJo again, just someone i can follow on a daily basis and watch Kotch haters drool over the new guy’s every pitch taken for a ball and every long foul, ala Brignac
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Let the record show that you'd rather watch the team lose so that you can troll while the rest of us would rather win and be wrong.
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Yes I've only been a fan since 2009.
by blackraven on May 5, 2011 3:46 PM EDT
by Sandy Kazmir on Jun 16, 2011 10:10 AM EDT up reply actions
ask my wife how much i enjoy them
because i express mypost game loss differently, doesn’t mean it’s not killing me
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... HAHA NOTHING BECAUSE YOU'VE ALREADY TOLD HER TWICE
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by blackraven on May 5, 2011 3:46 PM EDT
by Sandy Kazmir on Jun 16, 2011 10:17 AM EDT up reply actions
Look at you bringing him up again!
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by FreeZorilla on Jun 16, 2011 11:04 AM EDT up reply actions
I don't complain daily when he's brought up
And go on cursing like a sailor on how I’m going to mod up this biatch
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by FreeZorilla on Jun 16, 2011 11:08 AM EDT up reply actions
Perhaps that's a bit dramatic, but compared to facing the minimum up to that point it's not that much of an overstatement
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by blackraven on May 5, 2011 3:46 PM EDT
by Sandy Kazmir on Jun 16, 2011 10:05 AM EDT up reply actions
Yorp
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Yes I've only been a fan since 2009.
by blackraven on May 5, 2011 3:46 PM EDT
by Sandy Kazmir on Jun 16, 2011 9:35 AM EDT up reply actions
This is 2011, not '08, '09 or '10
Wake up and smell the coffee
Even your colleague RJ admitted this is the Rays worst team of that era
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Is anyone disagreeing with that?
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by Steve Slowinski on Jun 16, 2011 9:55 AM EDT up reply actions
Our team in '10 was better
but I’m not so sure you can say it’s worse than ‘08 or ’09. Maybe, but it’s close
Eh, we were projected for 90-ish wins in '09, right?
They definitely underperformed that year, but I think the talent on the team was more than this year’s team.
‘08 is the only year I see it as close…I’d have to think about it more.
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by Steve Slowinski on Jun 16, 2011 9:59 AM EDT up reply actions
The pitching this year is the best we've seen IMO.
People overvalue hitting and undervalue pitching/defense when comparing teams.
How does our pitching compare to league average this year vs. 08/09
Different environments obviously
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by Imperialism32 on Jun 16, 2011 10:02 AM EDT up reply actions
I'd honestly have to give it a more thorough look to be certain.
But yeah, the pitching has been great so far (top 3, at least). And our defense has been wild this year. But still…that ’09 team had a silly amount of talent on it compared with how many wins we ended up with.
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by Steve Slowinski on Jun 16, 2011 10:04 AM EDT up reply actions
I think this team is better than 08. It may be better than 09 (because pitching and defense matter).
Everyone here with any sense has said from the beginning of the season this was a 87ish win team. Getting the breaks gets us above that.
87W means we need to play 8 games over 500 from this point forward
playing NY and BOS as much as we’ll have to i don’t see it
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ah ha, put an actual number to your prediction and you back track--
but i’m the dumbass—get the fuck out
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I think your 2011 offensive projections eclipse 2010's results
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by FreeZorilla on Jun 16, 2011 11:05 AM EDT up reply actions
From my buddy house:
house: really interesting start from beckett yesterday actually
me: how so
house: he had good control but changed his approach
well he threw like 66 percent fastballs
which was by far his highest percentage this year
he caught the rays way off guard
they expected a lot more breaking stuff because that was how he had been pitching this year
he had a ton of 2 strike counts where he just threw heat down the middle and froze em
interesting take from an outsider on how bex appeared to approach this start differently.
the game plan against the 11 rays is simply pitch in the zone early and often.
OT but I need to start this soon
Who’s got a good pulled pork recipe for a crock pot?
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by blackraven on May 5, 2011 3:46 PM EDT
I've got a pork roast, one onion, some good sauce, and water, and some garlic, go
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by blackraven on May 5, 2011 3:46 PM EDT
by Sandy Kazmir on Jun 16, 2011 10:06 AM EDT up reply actions
I'm not doing any of that, I'm throwing it in a pot so I can do work
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by blackraven on May 5, 2011 3:46 PM EDT
by Sandy Kazmir on Jun 16, 2011 10:08 AM EDT up reply actions
Pork Roast?
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by blackraven on May 5, 2011 3:46 PM EDT
by Sandy Kazmir on Jun 16, 2011 10:10 AM EDT up reply actions
The only shoulder I could find at the store was like 7 pounds this is like 2.5
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by blackraven on May 5, 2011 3:46 PM EDT
by Sandy Kazmir on Jun 16, 2011 10:11 AM EDT up reply actions
so its a loin.
don’t crock pot it if its a loin. not enough fat.
rub it down with cayenne, paprika, garlic powder, bklack pepper, cumin, etc. whatever bbq-y spices you have. let it sit for an hour. marinade in sauce w/ garlic/onion until and hour or so before your ready to eat it. preheat oven to 400. put it in and turn it down to 350 and cook it until its ready.
Goddammit I don't have time for all that
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by blackraven on May 5, 2011 3:46 PM EDT
by Sandy Kazmir on Jun 16, 2011 10:15 AM EDT up reply actions
You can do a loin in a crock pot.
You have to put some sauce in with the meat so it doesn’t dry out. Kind of cheating but it’s still good.
by firemangreg on Jun 16, 2011 10:15 AM EDT up reply actions
I'm just cooking for family I don't care if it's good because they love me too much to complain
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by blackraven on May 5, 2011 3:46 PM EDT
by Sandy Kazmir on Jun 16, 2011 10:16 AM EDT up reply actions
Ok now we're talking, so can I just throw it in with a cut up onion, some garlic and like half a jar of sauce or what
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by blackraven on May 5, 2011 3:46 PM EDT
by Sandy Kazmir on Jun 16, 2011 10:16 AM EDT up reply actions
You want the sauce on and around the meat.
Not quite sure the size of the loin you’re using but a half a bottle is probably good.
by firemangreg on Jun 16, 2011 10:19 AM EDT up reply actions
Ok so I threw some onions and garlic in and about to dump the sauce, I don't need any water or anything, right?
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by blackraven on May 5, 2011 3:46 PM EDT
by Sandy Kazmir on Jun 16, 2011 10:29 AM EDT up reply actions
Some, but I'm going to trim most of it
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by blackraven on May 5, 2011 3:46 PM EDT
by Sandy Kazmir on Jun 16, 2011 10:12 AM EDT up reply actions
Center cut boneless pork roast loin large it says
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by blackraven on May 5, 2011 3:46 PM EDT
by Sandy Kazmir on Jun 16, 2011 10:11 AM EDT up reply actions
OT: Was doing my daily Matt Moore day dreaming the other day
and came across the name Marquis Fleming.
I don’t recall the name being on prospect lists. He’ll be 25 at the end of the year, so not a young AA player. However, was intrigued by the strikeout, ERA and walk numbers in each of his four years of pro ball.
Plus, another thing that jumps out is that each year, the ERA and BA against get lower, and the K/IP gets higher in each successive year, as he has moved from HV, to BG, to PC and now at MG. WHIP is also moving downward as he progresses up through the ranks.
Anyone seen him pitch or know if he’s legit?
I heard some decent things from PC last year. You should be able to find something via Google.
by firemangreg on Jun 16, 2011 12:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Google? What's that?
Was looking for a DRB view. Lots of people on the site do a lot of leg work, so was looking to latch on to existing research.
Sincerely,
’Lazy’ValricoBrian.
by ValricoBrian on Jun 16, 2011 12:51 PM EDT up reply actions
No reason to be pissed about last night
The Rays were at the mercy of a dominant pitcher, just like the Red Sox were at the mercy of Shields the night before. This series has been like two great boxers in a heavyweight fight. Each side has traded blows. One more to go for tonight.
Honestly, what more could you really expect in the first two games? It’s been damn good pitching, and a split series against arguably the best team in baseball. Unless we win by 10+ runs in every game, it’s a disappointment? C’mon. We were first worried about a rebuilding season. And in middle of June we are still in the thick of the division race and Wild Card. I think that’s all you can ever ask for.
by raysfaninminnesota on Jun 16, 2011 12:47 PM EDT reply actions
The best part is, we have not seen the best this team has to offer yet
Right now I think the Rays have the most dominant top 3 rotation they’ve ever had. Price-Shields-Hellickson have been downright nasty. I don’t think you could ask for a better 3 in a playoff series. Rays have always been built with depth to last through the long season. We are not always built for the short series. Our starting pitching is built for both.
And if Longoria gets healthy, Joyce continues his breakout campaign, Zobrist continues his bounceback season, and Damon and Kotchman continue to consistently plod along, Desmond Jennings is called up, this offense can still be good enough.
If we get the back end of the rotation calmed down (one of Davis/Niemann, with steady Cobb holding down the other), we’ll be just fine. Bullpen has shown some promise, so all in all, this has been a damn good team. It has the chance to be every bit as good as last year’s team, in spite of all the changes. And that’s saying a hell of a lot.
by raysfaninminnesota on Jun 16, 2011 12:54 PM EDT reply actions
Yeah I'd like our chances if we got in the playoffs
Would only need to have a few hits.
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1) Dutton’s xBABIP has to be input by hand, so it takes a long time to calculate.
2) I do this for free.
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