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The Hayhurst Pitching Philosophy: "Don't Be Afraid of Contact"

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Dirk Hayhurst, minor league pitcher and writer extraordinaire, just published an article on Bleacher Report about his opinions on pitching philosophy. I recommend checking it out, as it's a thought-provoking read. Here's a brief snippet:

 Relying on a hitter's inability to make contact with what you throw usually makes you throw pitches that can't be hit, not because they're nasty, but because they're not strikes. And guess what: If you aren't throwing strikes, it's really hard to strike guys out, no matter how nasty you think you are.

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A hitter wants to hit and you want outs. The two actually work quite well together. Contact is not the enemy when you pitch. Contact is your friend. Contact on a quality strike often results in an out.

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Remember: If you think you HAVE to strike a hitter out, you're putting the pressure back on yourself. When you're ahead, the pressure is on the hitter, not you.

If you‘re continuously ahead, then you're continuously putting pressure on the hitter. Hitters' batting averages are lower in pressure situations across the board, which makes your chances of success higher.

Erik, Hayhurst, and I just had a fun conversation on Twitter about all this, and I wanted to expand upon my thoughts briefly because 140 characters only allows you to say so much.

This might seem contradictory, considering we love pitchers with high strikeout rates around here, but I actually agree with Dirk's point. Let me explain. 

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If you know anything about Defense Indpendent Pitching Theory (DIPs), then you know that analysts these days consider strikeouts a pitcher's best friend. Pitchers have little control over if a ball hit in play falls for a hit or an out, so pitchers that get outs by themselves and limit walks are really valuable players. This is one of the founding principles of modern pitching analysis, and although things have gone on and gotten much more confusing and complicated than that, the basic theory holds: strikeouts are good, and walks suck. As a result, "pitching to contact" has been viewed as the antithesis of sabermetrics -- why would you sacrifice strikeouts for balls in play??? -- and tends to get made fun of whenever it comes up, fairly or unfairly. 

But what Dirk is advocating is actually kinda cool: teaching young pitchers to not be afraid of contact. And I think his point lines up really well with our DIPs ideal.

There's a big difference between what flies in analysis and what works when teaching. We don't normally think about the teaching aspect here, but it's a completely different ballgame (pardon the pun). As Hayhurst points out, does teaching pitchers to go for the strikeout actually work? It may cause certain pitchers -- especially those without overpowering stuff -- to overthrow or to throw waaay too many pitches outside of the zone. They start nibbling, trying to get batters to chase, while working themselves into deep count after deep count and exiting after only a few innings.

So ideally, you'd want your pitchers to be aggressive. Get ahead of batters, put the pressure on them, and then don't be afraid to challenge them with a pitch. If you make quality strikes and locate well within the zone, then batters will likely press -- making poor contact or striking out in the process. You don't need to be afraid of the batter hitting one of your balls in play -- if you're throwing them a tough strike, let them hit it! If strikeouts are a pitcher's best friend, then groundballs are...well, their other best friend.

The only problem I have with the "pitch to contact" approach is when a pitcher takes the worst of both worlds: the pitcher isn't getting ahead in counts and is walking a large amount of batters, yet is still relying on balls in play for the majority of their outs. Consider this the Wade Davis example. Davis was working the "good" pitch-to-contact approach earlier this season, getting ahead in counts and limiting his walks, but recently it's backfired on him as he's lost his command and he can't put batters away once he gets to two strikes. He's falling behind on hitters and walking more of them than he did last season, and he's relying on his fielders to get almost every out.

Dirk's philosophy would help Davis right now -- he really needs to start throwing strikes and hitting his spots -- and although I'm no pitching coach (I'm trained in education, but not baseball ed), his overall teaching strategy makes sense to me. Teach pitchers to be aggressive and challenge hitters, and good things will happen. You'll get a good amount of strikeouts (just by virtue of being ahead more often), the odds are that you'll induce weak contact and grounders, and you'll have a low walk rate. The saber-ideal, right?

But whatever you do, don't take that to mean you can just ignore strikeouts, walk batters, and let your fielders get all the outs for you. Because even if that works for you over a short period of time, it's a recipe for disaster in the long run. I still don't think "Pitching to contact" is a good idea, as it seems to imply just throwing the ball over the middle and letting the batter have at it. But "Don't be afraid of contact"? I can get behind that.

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The short version my argument

Organization-wide philosophies are stupid. Don’t try to hammer square pegs (Matt Moore) into round holes (pitching to contact). Strikeout pitchers can be efficient.

Davis was working the “good” pitch-to-contact approach earlier this season, getting ahead in counts and limiting his walks, but recently it’s backfired on him as he’s lost his command and he can’t put batters away once he gets to two strikes.

Is there any evidence that this wasn’t merely luck (mostly babip)?

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by Imperialism32 on Jun 20, 2011 12:50 PM EDT reply actions  

+1

Davis has had meh command all year long.

by mr. maniac on Jun 20, 2011 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

Also

Groundballs will go for hits a certain amount of the time. Strikeouts will not.

My idea? Develop more relievers to be two-inning guys and not worry as much if starters can only go six.

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by Imperialism32 on Jun 20, 2011 12:52 PM EDT reply actions  

The whole "throw a tough strike" thing, is that from N.S. Sherlock's newest research piece?

If it were that easy then pitchers would throw them all the time, no?

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by Imperialism32 on Jun 20, 2011 1:01 PM EDT reply actions  

Ha! That's awesome...took me a second to get the initials.

And I think you’re right about Davis….I believe a large part of his early season success was just BABIP luck. His BB rate wasn’t particularly low even then, although it may be the case he was locating in the zone better then. That seemed to be the argument that those in favor of him was making….can’t say I bought it at the time and now I find myself arguing the other side, so apparently I’m flip-flopping.

I think the biggest problem with the pitching to contact thing is you need to have really good command to pull it off. Even if you’re striking out 5 K/9, you need to have really good control to make it work…and even then you’re walking a fine line.

And agreed, you shouldn’t just push every pitcher into the same philosophy, as each player has a different skillset and all. It’s a balance…contact vs. strikeouts…that all pitchers have to walk and find the optimal arrangement for them. Maybe some pitchers tend to get overly focused on Ks…I don’t really know.

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by Steve Slowinski on Jun 20, 2011 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

But even then, isn't this kinda the anti-bad-Kazmir idea and more along the lines of recent-James-Shields? Even if you have swing and miss stuff, why nibble?

But I guess some people just can’t do that….comes down to a balance between swing and miss stuff and control.

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by Steve Slowinski on Jun 20, 2011 1:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

I just don't get his stance.

It’s hard to throw a quality strike. Nibblers are trying to throw quality strikes and miss.

So you can’t say throw quality strikes instead of throwing balls. Well no shit.
It’s not that easy.

by Sveet on Jun 20, 2011 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

+1

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by Imperialism32 on Jun 20, 2011 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Let's argue with a pitcher with MLB experience

and what coaches have told thier pitchers to do according to Garfoose

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by sternfan1 on Jun 20, 2011 1:54 PM EDT reply actions  

This is equivilant of a coach saying

You know what would make you better…..instead of striking out you should get a hit

by Sveet on Jun 20, 2011 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

No because there's obviously a philosophy behind what they do

How Maddon manages, how Friedman identifies/acquires talent, etc

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by Imperialism32 on Jun 20, 2011 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

You know who pitched to a lot of contact? Carlos Silva

With a good Twins defense behind him. I wouldn’t want to be Carlos Silva.

by Erik Hahmann on Jun 20, 2011 1:55 PM EDT reply actions  

His latest tweer
Leave “swing and miss stuff” in the zone for 3x each batter for 7 innings and see how long it remains “swing and miss stuff”

Great point. For most pitching prospects it won’t work too well. But for a small percentage it will. This small percentage will greatly overlap with another small percentage of pitching prospects: Guys who stick in the bigs.

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by Imperialism32 on Jun 20, 2011 1:56 PM EDT reply actions  

tweet not tweer

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by Imperialism32 on Jun 20, 2011 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

serious q, not trying to be smart ass

What is the highest level you pitched at?

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by sternfan1 on Jun 20, 2011 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not trying but succeeding

Little league, to be honest. I was an OF in Babe Ruth ball and HS. I’d love to know why you asked.

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by Imperialism32 on Jun 20, 2011 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

because i'm sure what Hayhurst is saying is probably universal in pro ball

while we love the swing and miss, isn’t it the swing we like most?

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by sternfan1 on Jun 20, 2011 2:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sure, because it sounds nice

How often do batted balls go for hits?

How often do strikeouts go for hits?

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by Imperialism32 on Jun 20, 2011 2:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, I left aside the point that a lot of strikeouts come on pitches out of the zone

High fastballs or breaking pitches/changeups that dive out

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by Imperialism32 on Jun 20, 2011 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Are you saying because Price Ks more than most he

doesn’t ‘pitch to contact’ v trying to strike a batter out?

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by sternfan1 on Jun 20, 2011 2:04 PM EDT reply actions  

I'm saying that guys with good stuff (e.g. Price)

can throw stuff in the zone and get swings and misses.

Hayhurst contradicts himself. First by saying throw strikes and get ahead and then by saying don’t throw stuff in the zone.

He makes no sense

by Sveet on Jun 20, 2011 2:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think he's saying "throw it in the zone and let him hit it"

Which is stupid when you have the ability to throw it in (or at least near) the zone and get them to swing and miss

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by Imperialism32 on Jun 20, 2011 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not necessarily. I think the point here is more about challenging hitters and working ahead in counts.

…not all that radical a concept, perhaps, but it’s something that’s worth stressing with minor league players. And Price certainly does that…he works ahead in counts and challenges batters to hit his best stuff, even inside the zone. He doesn’t get into many deep counts…or at least, that’s what my memory/intuition is telling me. Could be wrong there, I suppose.

Price also just happens to have really good stuff, so it works extra well for him. It won’t work nearly as well for other pitchers, but I don’t see what’s so wrong with that general strategy.

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by Steve Slowinski on Jun 20, 2011 2:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

If we're going to stress something in the minors why not make it "quick strikeouts"?

It’s such a stupid thing to say “Hey, don’t use that pitch that guys swing and miss at, use the one they’ll put in play”

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by Imperialism32 on Jun 20, 2011 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

That's what this sounds like
Leave "swing and miss stuff" in the zone for 3x each batter for 7 innings and see how long it remains "swing and miss stuff"

by Sveet on Jun 20, 2011 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

He acts like they are mutually exclusive that is my problem

The swing and miss pitch often will also induce weak contact. The swing and miss pitch can be a quality strike.

by Sveet on Jun 20, 2011 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

The Mantra for all pitchers

even for little league pitchers that grew up is" Get ahead with strikes and get outs with balls".
The part about the ones that can throw swinging strikes stick in the big leagues is true but it is not possible for a pitcher to throw three swinging strikes to every batter.If they could they would. but the batters in the bigs can hit pitchers in the bigs. Keeping the ball down in the zone results in groundballs and pop ups. Keeping the ball up in the Zone= Flyballs and HRs. Pitching to contact does not have the simplistic explanation of “let em hit it and the defenders will catch it”. Inducing a double play ball is “pitching to contact”. Getting a hitter to hit into the shift is pitching to contact.

by Rayskins on Jun 20, 2011 4:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Clearing the air

I’ve always felt it wise to stay away from commenting on blog sites as most of the ranting and raving done on here isn’t worth reading. However, since I respect this site, I’m a member of the organization it covers, and this article is written about subject matter I’m the origin of, I felt the need to step in.

Pitching to contact is a teaching philosophy most teams (all those I’ve been a part of, including the Rays) employ when developing young arms. I’ll be the first to admit it’s a tad hypocritical because power arms always seem to trump contact pitchers during their march to the big leagues. However, even those power arms are instructed to learn the mindset that contact is not their enemy, and they don’t have to strike everyone out.

I chuckle at the folks who say “if you got a pitch people can’t hit, why not throw it every time?” If there was a pitch like that, we would. But batters make adjustments, and a steady diet of any pitch will make it less effective in time. Many young pitchers learn this the hard way. And, unfortunately, when they’re killer pitch gets hit from over use, they become fearful of using it, or throwing strikes with it. Sometimes they take a large step back and there is a domino effect of disappearing confidence and failure. That fear of they’re best stuff not working like it used to can turn prospects into suspects…. This teaches young pitchers to protect their best until it’s time to use it.

I think what might be missing here is that young players was the emphasis of the piece you are all debating now. The author of this expository article above could have placed more emphasis on that for clarity, and help avoid debates about how current big league situations are playing out, as those pitchers are advanced, and professionally experienced. Once we arrive at the bigs, things change form teaching to execution. There is still learning, but the emphasis switches to production over development.

Power big league arms have the luxury of extra K chances, while not so powerful arms must know themselves and that their strong points may not be challenging a hitter with the infamous swing and miss stuff, but aiming for his weakest link and compromising with a ball in play. At first, one looks a lot better than the other, and often it is better because, in a perfect world, that power arm can make more mistakes and still live. In fact, power arms have a tendency to make missed spots look like executed pitches because a hitter can’t handle it. That’s why power arms will always be valuable. However, if a pitcher is working ahead, and is commanding his stuff, he puts the batter into a swing and miss situation as the hitter is on the defensive, and this, power arm or not, is a key fundamental to pitching well.

Best stuff will vary from pitcher to pitcher, situation to situation, day to day. However, If you know that in the course of three pitches you can have the batter on defense and be in command, you can choose to nibble, if that’s your strength (after all, one man’s nibbling is another man’s punch out looking) or, you can choose to uncork that nasty 94mph cutter and let it eat all the way across the batter’s box. What’s important is, you can’t K a guy until you’ve thrown 2 strikes first. Get there efficiently, and it will give you more chances to get K’s, longer into the game. Or, the batter, in his attempt to stop you from getting there, will put a defensive swing on a ball, (even one not in the zone) and play the odds against your defense. Both are optimal in a world where optimal is all you can get since there is no perfect scenario.

The two are not mutually exclusive, and there will always be anomalous superstars that are gifted with powers beyond us mortal, garden variety RHP’s. But, maximizing what you have is what this game is about, at least from my end of it. This is one way to maximize your ability, power arm, or DIrk Hayhrust.

by Mr. Garfoose on Jun 20, 2011 2:44 PM EDT reply actions   2 recs

tl;dr

(Kidding. Will read.)

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by Imperialism32 on Jun 20, 2011 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

So if I'm reading this right

Your point is that while strikeouts are a nice goal, getting to 0-2 and 1-2 counts is more important and if the ball is put into play on one of the way there, that’s not really a problem?

I agree with that to a point. Clearly pitching ahead is always a good thing. I just hope the "pitch to contact, get quick outs" thing isn’t being understood by players as "crap, it’s 1-1, I better catch some plate with this fastball."

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by Imperialism32 on Jun 20, 2011 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

So if I'm reading this right

Your point is that while strikeouts are a nice goal, getting to 0-2 and 1-2 counts is more important and if the ball is put into play on one of those pitches, that’s not really a problem?

I agree with that to a point. Clearly pitching ahead is always a good thing. I just hope the "pitch to contact, get quick outs" thing isn’t being understood by players as "crap, it’s 1-1, I better catch some plate with this fastball."

by Patrick L. Kennedy on Jun 20, 2011 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Quiet you

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by Imperialism32 on Jun 20, 2011 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Also: it wasn't a double post, I fixed a part

But I had to leave the incorrect one up to copy and paste to the new one before I deleted/hid the old

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by Imperialism32 on Jun 20, 2011 3:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

"their"

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by Sandy Kazmir on Jun 20, 2011 3:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think the "teaching" vs. "execution" part is huge....sorry if I that got lost in all the above.

Because yeah, what you’re talking about is education and teaching young prospects…and in that regard, I think it’s a lot more balanced teaching philosophy than telling people to go for the K and not be economical.

I don’t think any of us would like Matt Moore start pitching to contact more, but at the same time, I know some people have expressed that they’d like to see him last longer into games. There’s a trade-off here, and I don’t really claim to know what the right answer is.

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by Steve Slowinski on Jun 20, 2011 3:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'd rather have 6 ip 1 er than 9 ip 3 er

Because my bullpen will have an ERA lower than 6.00 (2 runs in 3 innings)

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