Monday Morning Rays Roundup: The Offense Awakes
The Rays had a very successful week going 5-1 by taking 2 out of 3 from the Milwaukee Brewers and sweeping a 3-game set from the Houston Astros. The Rays entered the week trailing the Boston Red Sox by 4.5 games and the second place NY Yankees by 3 games. By the time Sunday's games were complete the Rays have moved to within 2.5 games of the first place Yankees and are only 1.5 games behind the second place Red Sox.
Since losing 3 out of 4 games to the Seattle Mariners in early June, the Rays have now won 14 of 19 games and find themselves at a season high 10 games over .500 with record of 44-34. The Rays have played well for an extended period of time, find themselves in a very good position, have a dominant trio of starters at the top of their rotation, and are seeing their catalyst Evan Longoria (without batting gloves) wake up at just the right time.
This Weeks Notes & Thoughts:
- The Rays offense racked up 61 hits and scored 41 runs this week including games of 5,6,7,8, and 14 runs.
- The Rays hit 9 home runs this week. B.J. Upton and Evan Longoria both had home runs reviewed by replay. Evan Longoria had 4 home runs, B.J. Upton had 3 home runs, and Kelly Shoppach and Elliot Johnson each had 1 home run.
- Entering Sunday's game, several Rays hitters excelled during the week: John Jaso (.333/.333/.556 [0-2 Sunday]), B.J. Upton (.300/.364/.650 with 3 HR and 10RBI [2-5 with a HR and 4 RBI Sunday]), Evan Longoria (.286/.318/.667 with 3 HR and 14 RBI [4-6 with a two HR and 5 RBI Sunday]), and Kelly Shoppach (.182/.308/.545 [0-3 Sunday]).
- Entering Sunday's game, several Rays hitters struggled during the week: Elliot Johnson (.091/.167/.364 [1-4 Sunday]), Johnny Damon (.083/.154/.083 [4-5 Sunday]), and Matt Joyce (.167/.444/.167 [1-2 Sunday]).
- The Rays bullpen was reminiscent of the bullpen from hell. Joel Peralta worked in 3 games (1 IP) and gave up 5 hits, 3 earned runs (ERA of 27.00), a home run, and a strike out. J.P. Howell worked in 3 games (2 IP) and gave up 4 hits, 3 earned runs (ERA of 13.50), 2 home runs, 2 walks, and 0 strikeouts. Cesar Ramos worked in 3 games (1.2 IP) and gave up 3 hits, 4 earned runs (21.86 ERA), 3 walks and 0 strikeouts.
- One of the most entertaining moments of the week came when Sam Fuld, who had pinch hit for reliever J.P. Howell, came out to take warm up pitches in between innings. After Fuld completed his warm up tosses, Joe Maddon came out to the mound to replace him with Cesar Ramos. Maddon was not trying to incite the Brewers as he told MLB.com:
"One pitch. All the infielders were begging for one pitch. But you can't do that. You don't want to incite the other team. And I was concerned about that to begin with. By having to do that, I was worried about inciting them. But it was no disrespect to the Brewers. It was just a matter of the way that happened so quickly, moving it on to the next guy."
- Joe Maddon had some interesting thoughts on Casey Kotchman's defense (as compared to Carlos Pena) as reported by MLB.com and an audio interview from the dugout from Miller Park provided by Jason Collete (here). Additionally, the article points out that Kotchman entered Wednesday's game with a MLB best 1,000 fielding percentage and hadn't made an error in his last 94 games. His last error came on August 10, 2010 against the Yankees as a member of the Seattle Mariners.
"They're pretty similar," Maddon said. "I mean, Carlos did win the Gold Glove a couple of years ago. I'd say they're equally as good defensively. They both pick it. Regular ground ball, equally well, ball in the dirt, equally well."
"I haven't seen [range] being a problem for Casey," Maddon said. "In spite of Casey not being fast, he gets to balls. I haven't seen balls get by him that I thought he should have had."
- J.P. Howell missed Wednesday's finale in Milwaukee after being diagnosed with gout in his foot. The injury shouldn't land Howell on the DL as he just needs to change his diet which leads to a great quote from Joe Maddon provided at MLB.com:
Maddon said he would have a hard time dealing with the condition.
"He told me he's supposed to not eat red meats, eat seafood or drink red wine," Maddon said. "I would die in like three weeks."
- ESPN.com author Steve Berthiaume wrote a piece this week titled "The Rays Need to Get Out of Tampa Bay" The DRB community had an opportunity to comment on the article (here) and the author of the article was interviewed on ESPN1040 AM. and the podcast of the interview is provided here (here). Erik Hahmann penned an open letter to St. Petersburg Mayor Bill Foster asking him to allow the Rays to explore options in the Hillsborough County area and to be a voice in the room instead of the voice in the room. If you haven't seen the work of EminenceFont (Josh Frank) and Jason Collette -- "DRaysBay's Stadium Proposal - Part 1" please give it a read, it is excellent work.
- Jason Stark commented that he didn't believe that the Rays would be trading B.J. Upton this year, but that the Nationals continue to scout him. Buster Olney said that the Rays would listen to offers for B.J. Upton but probably wouldn't deal him unless they got a quality bat in return. We also heard rumblings that both Kyle Farnsworth and B.J. Upton were available in trade. My Sunday began reading the Tampa Tribune and Joe Henderson's article "Upton's Ray's Days are Likely Numbered" While Henderson may make some good points the article needles the reader with negative statements. A few examples are provided below for those not in the local market here. If the article's intention was to ruin my breakfast than Mr. Henderson succeeded.
How they handle that gauntlet could set the Rays' direction for this season and the next several to follow. Then end of the long trip on July 31 at Seattle coincides with the non-waiver trade deadline. Everyone should know by then whether the Rays are keepers or sellers. Notice I didn't say "buyers." The Rays won't be making blockbuster deals at teh deadline to import talent for the short term, even if it means making a serious run at a a third division title in four seasons. It's just not what they do, especially if it means parting with prospects. You'll know the lads have decided they can remain in the race if they do nothing.
There already are many reasons to think B.J.’s time here is coming to an end. He has shown no interest in doing a long-term deal and he is about to become overpriced anyway. Overpriced in Raysthink, that is.
Then we see the batting average hovering around .220 and the on-base percentage that sits around .300. He also can drive fans nuts every time he takes a third strike down the middle (complet with a "what the...?" look at the umpire), and the cutoff man hasn't been invented that he can't miss. His throws from center field alos have a tendency to be as off-target as many of my shanked tee shots.
On Monday evening Jeff Niemann made his return to the Rays rotation after missing over a month with back stiffness and was facing a very tough Milwaukee lineup in a hitters park where the Brewers entered the night with a major league best record of 25-9. Niemann's mission was made slightly easier when Ryan Braun was replaced in the lineup due to a bronchial infection. The Rays provided Niemann with an early 1-0 lead on a groundout by B.J. Upton which scored Johnny Damon who had walked to lead off the game. Niemann entered the sixth inning still leading 1-0 when he hit Nyjer Morgan to lead off the inning, but home plate umpire Bob Davidson denied Morgan first base because he determined that he hadn't made an effort to get out of the way of the ball which resulted in ejections for Milwaukee skipper Ron Roenickie and hitting coach Dale Sveum. Niemann eventually struck out Morgan but had to do work hard to escape the inning with the lead. The Brewers loaded the bases with 1-out before Niemann struck out Mark Kotsay and retired Yuniesky Betancourt on a fly ball to right field. The Rays carried the momentum into the top of the seventh inning scoring 4 runs on RBI doubles by Justin Ruggiano and Ben Zobrist and RBI singles by Evan Longoria and B.J. Upton. The Brewers Jonathon Lucroy led off the seventh inning with a solo home run off new Rays pitcher J.P. Howell to cut the lead to 5-2 but the game was broke open in the bottom of the eighth on a 3-run homer by Evan Longoria. Joel Peralta came in to work the eighth inning and walked the first two hitters with an 8-2 lead and gave up single to Casey McGehee to load the bases before being replaced by Cesar Ramos. Ramos struck out Mark Kotsay for the first out of the inning but gave up a 2-RBI single to Yuniesky Betancourt to cut the Rays lead to 8-4. Ramos retired Jonathon Lucroy for the second out of the inning before being replaced by Kyle Farnsworth who struck out Craig Counsell to end the eighth and worked a scoreless ninth giving the Rays an 8-4 victory. The victory went to Jeff Niemann who worked six scoreless innings, yielding 4 hits while striking out 5 and walking 3.
On Tuesday the Rays sent Jeremy Hellickson against Zach Greinke. Hellickson gave single runs in the first and second inning but the Rays were unable to mount an attack against Greinke through the first six innings. The Rays cut the Brewers lead in half on a RBI single by John Jaso. Adam Russell came in to replace Jeremy Hellickson who had been pinch hit for in the top of the seventh. Russell gave up a leadoff single and walk before retiring Richie Weeks. Russell was replaced by J.P. Howell who walked Josh Wilson to load the bases before giving up a 2 RBI single to Ryan Braun and a RBI single to Prince Fielder. Howell was replaced by Cesar Ramos who sandwiched a walk between two groundouts to end the inning. Andy Sonnanstine worked a scoreless eighth inning but the Rays offense was unable to score and the Rays lost the game 5-1.
On Wednesday afternoon the Rays looked for the series win and had David Price on the mound to take on Shaun Marcum. The Rays were in need of a strong outing from Price as Joe Maddon had to use his bullpen in the first two games of the series. Early on Price didn't look sharp and the Brewers took advantage by scoring 2 runs in the bottom of the first. The Rays tied the game in the bottom of the second on a 2-run opposite field homer by Kelly Shoppach. The game remained tied 2-2 into the sixth inning until B.J. Upton hit an RBI single to give Rays a 3-2 lead. The Rays extended their lead to 6-3 in the top of the seventh on a three run homer by Elliot Johnson. Kyle Farnsworth came in to work the ninth inning but after getting the first out of the inning he gave up three consecutive singles to load the bases. Nyjer Morgan hit a sacrifice fly to cut the Rays lead to 6-3 but Farnsworth retired Mark Kotsay on a groundout to first to preserve the Rays 6-3 victory. Price gave Joe Maddon 8 solid innings (120 pitches), giving up 2 ER on 5 hits while striking out 10 and walking only 1.
The Rays traveled to Houston to take on the Astros for a three game weekend set. James Shields was on the hill for the Rays on Friday night and the light hitting Astros never had much of a chance. Shields was dominant as he recorded his 3rd consecutive complete game by giving up 1 earned run on 3 hits while striking out 9 and walking 1. The Rays gave Shields all the runs he needed in the fourth on a Ben Zobrist RBI single and back to back home runs by Evan Longoria (2-run shot) and B.J. Upton. Evan Longoria extended the Rays lead to 5-0 with a RBI single in the fifth inning. Shields surrendered his only run on a 2-out RBI double to Chris Johnson in the bottom of the seventh inning. The Rays won the opening game of the series 5-1.
Wade Davis looked to follow David Price and James Shields gems with a solid outing against the Astros on Saturday and give the Rays a series win. The Rays put up a picket fence with single runs in the first three innings on a RBI double by Evan Longoria in the first, a RBI single by Johnny Damon in the second inning, and a RBI single by B.J. Upton in the third inning. The Astros got a single tally in the bottom of the fourth on a RBI double by Carlos Lee but the Rays got the run back on a solo homer by B.J. Upton to lead of the sixth inning. Wade Davis was removed after 7 strong innings giving up 1ER on 5 hits whiles striking out 3 and walking 1. Joel Peralta came in to start the eighth inning with a 4-1 lead but after getting the first man out surrendered a single to Jeff Keppinger and a RBI double to Hunter Pence to cut the Rays lead to 4-2. Joe Maddon went to his bullpen and for the third time during the week called upon Kyle Farnsworth to work multiple innings to close a game. Farnsworth induced an inning ending double play ball after an error by Sam Fuld allowed Carlos Lee to reach to end the eighth inning. The Rays gave Farnsworth some breathing room with three runs in the top of the ninth on a RBI double by Evan Longoria and a 2-RBI single by Casey Kotchman. Farnsworth finished the Astros off in the ninth to earn his 16th save and the Rays won 7-2.
On Sunday the Rays sent Jeff Niemann who was coming off one of his better starts of the year versus the Brewers to complete the sweep of the Astros. Niemann wasn't sharp as the Astros touched him for 5ER on 7 hits while striking out 2 and walking none. The Rays offense gave Niemann a 3-0 lead in the first on a B.J. Upton 3-run homer but Niemann allowed a single run in the bottom of the first and two in the bottom of the second and the Astros tied the game at 3-3. The Rays handed Niemann another lead on a RBI double by Evan Longoria in the top of the third inning to put the Rays ahead 4-3 but Niemann again gave the lead back by surrendering 2 more runs in the bottom of the third giving the Astros a 5-4 lead. The Rays tied the game at 5-5 in the top of the fourth on a Ben Zobrist RBI double but the Astros extended their lead to 7-5 by scoring 2 runs off Cesar Ramos in the bottom of the fourth. The Rays tied the game at 7 in the top of the sixth inning on a 2-run homer by Evan Longoria. Juan Cruz worked two solid innings and was replaced by J.P. Howell in the bottom of the 7th inning. Howell continues to struggle and gave up a solo home run to Jeff Keppinger to give the Astros a 8-7 lead. The Rays scored 4 runs in the top of the eight inning after Matt Joyce came through with a 2-out 2-RBI double in the top of the eighth and a Casey Kotchman 2-RBI single to give the Rays an 11-8 lead. Joe Maddon turned to Joel Peralta to work the eighth inning but Peralta gave up a leadoff double to Chris Johnson and a 2-run homer to Matt Downs to cut the Rays lead to 11-10. Maddon replaced Peralta with Adam Russell to protect the 1-run lead. Russell gave up a single to Clint Barmes who was advanced to second on a sacrifice bunt for the first out. The Rays got out of the inning when Jason Burgeois hit a grounder to third baseman Evan Longoria who tagged Barmes going by and threw on to first for the double play. Evan Longoria gave the Rays additional insurance runs with a 2-out 3-run home run to extend the lead to 14-10. Kyle Farnsworth came in and worked a 1-2-3 ninth to give the Rays the 14-10 victory.
The Rays will return to Tropicana Field on Monday to take on the Cincinnati Red for three games and will finish their games against the National League with a weekend series versus the St. Louis Cardinals beginning on Friday. The Rays will send their big three versus the Rays against the Reds. Jeremy Hellickson will take on Mike Leake on Monday, Daivd Price will take on Johnny Cueto on Tuesday, and James Shields versus Edison Volquez on Wednesday. Wade Davis will take on Jaime Garcia on Friday night, Jeff Niemann will look to rebound after a poor outing versus the Astros against Kyle McClellan on Saturday, and Jeremy Hellickson will take on Kyle Lohse on Sunday.
The Yankees will host the Milwaukee Brewers for three and finish their week taking on the Mets at Citi Field. The Red Sox will travel to Philadelphia for a three game series against the Phillies and finish their week in Houston for a weekend series versus the Astros. The Blue Jays will travel to Detroit for a three game series before coming home to host the Philadelphia Phillies in a weekend series. The Orioles will host the St. Louis Cardinals for three games before heading to Atlanta for a weekend series against the Braves.
SF1 has had many contrary opinions over the course of this season, so let's see what he has to say about the team moving forward.
What a great week Rays fans! A 5-1 road trip and we gain on both NY and BOS. The SP has been great sans Jeff 'Stork' Niemann yesterday, and I'm hopeful that is what keeps us in the ALE race all season
On the offense it was great to see the break out of Evan Longoria and also BJ Upton. There is NO substitute for the three run bomb. Now this wouldn't be natural if i didn't complain, so here it is. The bullpen is not sustaining. Joel Peralta is not an 8th inning set up and it's starting to show. Our two LHP are failing badly and J P 'Gas Can' Howell is clearly not ready for prime time, much less ALE opponents. My suggestion is to send both Howell and Caesar Ramos down, call up Jake McGee and trade for a loogy. How about old friend Randy Choate? He's got about $2 million dollars guaranteed through next year. That can't be too expensive.
As I mentioned a few weeks ago in this piece, i'm more interested in a back end arm than a bat, and the past week clearly exhibits that
On a happy note we lead MLB in inter league at 9-3 and we're at home versus CIN and STL
Go Rays !!!
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LOOGY
If you’re dumpster-diving for a lefty (and why would you do anything else?), the name that jumps out to me is Baltimore’s Mike Gonzalez.
He’s thoroughly worn out his welcome with the Orioles (after they signed him to an insane 2-yr/$12MM contract last year), but he’s remained extremely effective against lefties despite some ugly overall numbers.
At the deadline, Gonzalez would cost the Rays ~$2MM and a grade-Q prospect (if that). Used properly, I’m convinced he’s still an asset to a contending team.
I would love to see JC Romero
He should be available for next to nothing and he destroys lefties
by benderbrodriguez on Jun 27, 2011 11:59 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Why did the Phillies let him go?
I'll make out with a guy if he knocks it in
by Jason Collette on Jun 11, 2011 9:00 PM CDT
(Kotchman knocked it in)
Glad to see some nice production from the bats this week.
But the bullpen was painful to watch. Woof.
Twitter: @mbleazy
You can't just send Howell and Ramos down without having to clear waivers and the 3R HR ain't got shit on a Grand Slam
I’d like to see another reliable arm added to the pen, but you’re crazy if you don’t think we need another bat or two as well. Hopefully Durham can provide those, but if not, then it’s time to get creative.
@SandyKazmir
Yes I've only been a fan since 2009.
by blackraven on May 5, 2011 3:46 PM EDT
still say old friends are better than new friends
Choate and Balfour would be wonderful add ons. Gonzalez sounds like an interesting option if used correctly. Plenty of bullpen options out there that would make a lot of sense. So does bringing back Brandon Gomes. If McGee can sustain his mph, it would be great if internal options panned out. Both Gomes and McGee cost less than prob any option out there.
by raysfaninminnesota on Jun 27, 2011 10:39 AM EDT up reply actions
I still like Choate over Gonzo--cheaper and more effective and next year for just $1.5 mil
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Which is precisely why he would cost more in prospects
@SandyKazmir
Yes I've only been a fan since 2009.
by blackraven on May 5, 2011 3:46 PM EDT
by Sandy Kazmir on Jun 27, 2011 10:53 AM EDT up reply actions
Over the next month
Call up Jennings/Guyer/Canzler/Gomes/McGee/Cobb/Lobaton
DFA Ruggiano/Sonnanstine/E. Johnson
Trade Upton/Farnsworth/Niemann/Damon
OF: Guyer/Jennings/Joyce/Fuld/Zobrist
IF: Longoria/Brignac/Rodriguez/Zobrist/Kotchman/Jaso
C: Jaso/Shoppach/Lobaton
DH: Canzler
SP: Shields/Price/Hellickson/Davis/Cobb
BP: Howell, Russell, Gomes, McGee, Peralta, Ramos, Cruz,
@SandyKazmir
Yes I've only been a fan since 2009.
by blackraven on May 5, 2011 3:46 PM EDT
by Sandy Kazmir on Jun 27, 2011 11:03 AM EDT up reply actions
That roster would look real good competing for the Int'l League title....
but a little over their head for a WS run.
RaysRev.com or m_weber on twitter
This fascination with Canzler is comical
His production has dropped off considerably
Also everyone except a few hit at DUR
ie Dan Johnson, Hank Blalock
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I would like to see Lobaton on the 25 man roster...
for no other reason than he has an awesome name.
RaysRev.com or m_weber on twitter
wow--i just looked at that bullpen
Let’s bring Gary Glover back and call it a day
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We're not playing for anything this year anyway, season's over
If FA compensation goes away we might as well get something for Damon/Farnsworth
@SandyKazmir
Yes I've only been a fan since 2009.
by blackraven on May 5, 2011 3:46 PM EDT
by Sandy Kazmir on Jun 27, 2011 11:36 AM EDT up reply actions
It's done, have you even seen our Coolstandings %'s or what they have at B-Pro?
The Yankees and the Red Sox are the two best teams in MLB and quite possibly of all time. They ooze confidence and go about it the right way. If they can use stem cells to make Bartolo Colon work it’s only a matter of time before all Yankees are on stem cells and they will be truly unstoppable.
@SandyKazmir
Yes I've only been a fan since 2009.
by blackraven on May 5, 2011 3:46 PM EDT
by Sandy Kazmir on Jun 27, 2011 11:50 AM EDT up reply actions
This isn't 09
Rays have better rotation, offensive potential (if Longo continues to emerge to his average production), and just need some bullpen tinkering. Yankees chasable for wildcard at the least.
When you have a year in which you have dominant front end pitching, it would probably be wise to see it through and see if you can get your foot in the door in the playoffs. From that point, if your pitching is that good (Shields-Price-Hellickson), you never know what can happen.
by raysfaninminnesota on Jun 27, 2011 11:46 AM EDT up reply actions
zing
The caller said the boy, after removing the bulb from its socket, left the building and threw the bulb on the ground. When the bulb broke, the caller said the boy screamed "ooooown u poop"
by Top Gun Numba 1 on Jun 27, 2011 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions
all of this except for damon
unless we can get an amazing bat in return, I dont want to see anyone but damon in DH. It has been a black hole for years, and I dont want to get rid of the only guy to actually make use of it. I feel like we’re just tempting fate there.
I like him too, my thinking on this was more about we will do some of these not all of them.
@SandyKazmir
Yes I've only been a fan since 2009.
by blackraven on May 5, 2011 3:46 PM EDT
by Sandy Kazmir on Jun 27, 2011 12:31 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah, I hope damon stays
he and longoria, shields and price (maybe upton) are the names on the team. And looking at attendance (god I hate saying that) its nice to keep at least the biggest names on the team.
Upton could go, but if Damon goes, that could really hurt attendance worse than it already is. The Rays need some star power to keep those 18k in the seats…
ugghhhhh
it is not about the names. It’s about the team. The names come and go (Crawford, etc), and there will come a point when Longoria and Price exit as well. Until fans mature and realize this, they will not appreciate what they have.
by raysfaninminnesota on Jun 27, 2011 12:38 PM EDT up reply actions
hes the best DH I have seen in years
hold on to him and trade him when the seasons over.
He's only signed for this year isn't he?
He’s got a 107 wRC+ not exactly killing it at DH
by benderbrodriguez on Jun 27, 2011 12:45 PM EDT up reply actions
This is like replying to the people who're saying "GET RID OF SHOPPACH" with "okay, bring back navi"
by benderbrodriguez on Jun 27, 2011 12:51 PM EDT up reply actions
No its not
damon has been a very serviceable DH. He puts butts in the seats, and i dont think Canzler is a better option. Not to mention shit pack and navi are almost the same person at this point.
If the Rays start selling off but not tossing in the towel......
…..which Friedman will not do because he can make lateral moves to keep the Rays in the race(ex. trade BJ and bring up Jennings or Guyer), Shoppach may be the toughest call.
His bat stinks but he does work very well with the pitching staff which is paramount to the Rays remaining in the race. However, if they do fall out enough that this season is lost, I fully anticipate a trade for a young catcher, either in the majors now or a very good prospect maybe a year away. In fact, I see him acquiring one regardless before the deadline anyway.
Any young catchers that would be an improvement...
that you see as potential targets for the Rays?
Boom. Outta Here.
I am sure your god would be so proud you plaster his name onto money and license plates and bumper stickers. Such reverence. Nothing says how pious you are than to plaster a cheap bumper sticker to your god on a Kia.
by Ryan Gilliss on Jun 27, 2011 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions
I've targeted four that could be decent aqcuisitions.
All are from the NL (I don’t see AF trading within the league, especially if a big name is leaving), are blocked or there is a surplus in that organization. If the Rays wanted someone to step in now, Wilson Ramos from the Nats(having a good year, especially defensively). If they want someone younger, Derek Norris of the Nats could be available(very good power). Younger catchers a year or two/three away would include Christian Bethancourt of the Barves(blocked by McCann) or Wilin Rosario of the Rockies(good power and defense).
Ramos ain't gonna happen, he's practically untouchable
Now, the other three are all good options, and could be acquired, even if the Rays are still in contention.
by TBRaysfan009 on Jun 27, 2011 5:03 PM EDT up reply actions
He may available if they see Norris has a higher ceiling prospect.
Plus their target year might be 2013 with Harper and Strasburg and a stocked minor league system in place.
I see SF outbidding the Rays if any catcher comes available
Sabean is both (a) more desperate and (b) less intelligent
by AndrewTorrez on Jun 27, 2011 5:27 PM EDT up reply actions
By the way, Jonah's with me on Damon/Farnsworth
12:43
Comment From PK
If the Rays fall out of contention (which doesn’t look will happen as of right now), who do you think would be the players most likely to be traded? Upton, Shields?
12:45
Jonah Keri: We’re not asking the right question here. Remember the 1999 A’s? They traded away their closer at the deadline, despite being in the thick of the race. But they also made other teams which simultaneously improved their current roster and their future rosters. That’s exactly what the Rays would try to do if they make significant deals (I have my doubts they’ll make any splashy moves, but that’s the most logical route if they do).
Can’t imagine Shields getting traded. He’s under team control for 3 more years after this at affordable prices. It would take an all-world offer to get him, and I doubt anyone steps up and does that.
Upton, Farnsworth, Damon? Sure, why not.
@SandyKazmir
Yes I've only been a fan since 2009.
by blackraven on May 5, 2011 3:46 PM EDT
by Sandy Kazmir on Jun 27, 2011 1:13 PM EDT up reply actions
slurp
The caller said the boy, after removing the bulb from its socket, left the building and threw the bulb on the ground. When the bulb broke, the caller said the boy screamed "ooooown u poop"
by Top Gun Numba 1 on Jun 27, 2011 1:17 PM EDT up reply actions
I thought Ramos had an option left and Gas Can can go on the DL with his fat ass gout problem
I wouldn’t mind a bat SK, but i think Jennings is the obvious choice.
Maybe now that we’re done playinmg in NL parks the LF job will be handed to him
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THIS
Maddon is lamenting over his lack of speed this year. Jennings would def help fix that.
by raysfaninminnesota on Jun 27, 2011 10:43 AM EDT up reply actions
The Calvary is what? A week away or so?
Alex Cobb and Brandon Gomes are waiting, Jennings and Guyer are ready, and Lobaton and Chirinos are only a phone call away. Don’t know how much longer the Adam Russell experiment can continue, Ramos continues to look ineffective, Howell is the ghost of Good Relief Pitching Past, and Peralta is a whiplash in waiting. McGee needs to get his act together and fast. We need him.
by raysfaninminnesota on Jun 27, 2011 12:08 PM EDT up reply actions
"Calvary"
Boom. Outta Here.
I am sure your god would be so proud you plaster his name onto money and license plates and bumper stickers. Such reverence. Nothing says how pious you are than to plaster a cheap bumper sticker to your god on a Kia.
by Ryan Gilliss on Jun 27, 2011 12:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes, this thread is for discussing the Crucifixion of Jesus Christ
The caller said the boy, after removing the bulb from its socket, left the building and threw the bulb on the ground. When the bulb broke, the caller said the boy screamed "ooooown u poop"
by Top Gun Numba 1 on Jun 27, 2011 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions
you caught my subliminal religious agenda?
by raysfaninminnesota on Jun 27, 2011 12:50 PM EDT up reply actions
We only accept liminal or superliminal religious discussion here. ACCEPT THE DIVINITY OF THE SAVIOR JESUS CHRIST.
The caller said the boy, after removing the bulb from its socket, left the building and threw the bulb on the ground. When the bulb broke, the caller said the boy screamed "ooooown u poop"
by Top Gun Numba 1 on Jun 27, 2011 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes, he deserved to die, and I hope he burns in hell.
Boom. Outta Here.
I am sure your god would be so proud you plaster his name onto money and license plates and bumper stickers. Such reverence. Nothing says how pious you are than to plaster a cheap bumper sticker to your god on a Kia.
by Ryan Gilliss on Jun 27, 2011 12:51 PM EDT up reply actions
But only briefly
The caller said the boy, after removing the bulb from its socket, left the building and threw the bulb on the ground. When the bulb broke, the caller said the boy screamed "ooooown u poop"
by Top Gun Numba 1 on Jun 27, 2011 12:53 PM EDT up reply actions
I was musing about this the other day. Please don't allow this to derail
this fine thread, because there’s so much to celebrate the Rays play with
I was wondering how many pro Kotchman threads we’d have seen at this point, if any of our resident expert analysts had written a positive piece at the time Kotch was signed. Just a thought
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I think I wrote a piece that was fair and balanced in the Spring
I also am happy to say he has exceeded my expectations, and while I think his true talent is less than his #‘s show, I think his TTL is above what my initial expectations were. With a lg wide power outage (1B OPS is down about .050), his skill set’s relative value has increased.
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by FreeZorilla on Jun 27, 2011 10:52 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Obviously FZ, you weren't one of those i was musing about
There are a couple, one here one at your site,who remind me of two tourists in Times Square on New Year’s Eve waiting for the ball to drop when it comes to Casey Kotchman
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New Monday, same tired argument
yawwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwn
Are you still waiting for the demise of Shields you predicted on 4/16?
You ask if we’ve changed our mind, we say he’s exceeded expectations, we adjust expectations, you move goalposts.
i’m not hoping Kotchman makes the team out of ST
i think DanJo has the power potential we need at 1B…follow me on twitter @sternfan10
by sternfan1 on Feb 8, 2011 10:25 AM EST
My feeling on Kotchman
While i think many of us had our eyes on better and amore powerful player, ie Branyan or Nick Johnson, signing Kotchman might have the lower risk for several reasons.Branyan and N. Johnson simply have a difficult time staying healthy, Kotchman doesn’t appear to have a problem in this area. Also, if you ask either Johnson or Branyan to play 1B on a somewhat regular basis, it’ll further add to their injury issues
Lastly the Rays aren’t about to hand a job or give a contract to another player with a weak glove. We already signed Manny and Damon, both of who won’t be winning any gold gloves
Kotchman is a guy with decent MLB numbers who fields his position well and if DanJo fails won’t be intimidated by taking over 1B
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by sternfan1 on Jan 29, 2011 9:06 AM EST
Thames, Farnsworth, Kotchman???
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by sternfan1 on Dec 27, 2010 11:47 AM EST
That middle comment may be one of the best things you’ve ever said on this site while the last one remains one of the dumbest behind you calling Shields done on 4/16 after the start in Chicago.
Keep swinging for the fences :)
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by Jason Collette on Jun 27, 2011 6:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Did you think my last post on kotch wasn't pro-kotchman?
by benderbrodriguez on Jun 27, 2011 11:57 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
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by rglass44 on Jun 27, 2011 7:00 AM PDT on OTTOTD 6/27: He’s Gotta Go! on DRaysBay
Oh weird. Look at this: http://www.draysbay.com/2010/11/26/1832684/hittability-jamie-one-more-time-part-1
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in the OTTOTD. How many sories or FPs have myself or other writers done tooting our horns?
One would think the Shields angle would be ripe for it.
Here's hoping Maddon doesn't give the Stork too long of a leash
especially with a known commodity Alex Cobb waiting at DUR
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Interesting you should mention that...
I’m hearing the same babble about the Stork as I was hearing about Yieldsy last year. Maddon’s going to be patient w/ him, for now. I figured at least 5 games… right now, Stork has broke even.
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Niemann doesn't have anywhere near the resume that Shields has
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by Ryan Gilliss on Jun 27, 2011 11:27 AM EDT up reply actions
Yes he has, don't be fooled by the results
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by blackraven on May 5, 2011 3:46 PM EDT
by Sandy Kazmir on Jun 27, 2011 11:36 AM EDT up reply actions
He's been servicable (results-wise)
if that has dried up, then he’ll be cast aside. But this is not the point. The point is trade value. The Rays will give him starts, just like they gave Scott Kazmir starts, even though they knew he was washed up. They just wanted to shine him up nice to make him look appealing enough to get the hell rid of him. Same with Niems. If the Rays can get a Sean Rodriguez or Alex Torres from trading Niemann, or at least have the potential to do so at this point, given the dearth of SP, then give him a few more starts. That’s the value Niemann brings to the Rays at this point. Period.
by raysfaninminnesota on Jun 27, 2011 11:49 AM EDT up reply actions
hahahahaha
The Rays aren’t getting Elliot Johnson for Niemann let alone useable pieces.
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by blackraven on May 5, 2011 3:46 PM EDT
by Sandy Kazmir on Jun 27, 2011 11:51 AM EDT up reply actions
just like the Rays couldn't unload Kaz's contract, AND get prospects?
all it takes is one stupid person to think Niemann could be servicable.
by raysfaninminnesota on Jun 27, 2011 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions
We're living in a post-Omar world, though.
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by blackraven on May 5, 2011 3:46 PM EDT
by Sandy Kazmir on Jun 27, 2011 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions
yes, but even a smarter organization like the Angels
took a chance on Kaz. I know that Niemann doesn’t have the talent that was in Kaz’s left pinky, but if he could string together 3 or 4 good starts, someone might take a chance that Niemann can pitch like he did in 09 and first part of 10.
by raysfaninminnesota on Jun 27, 2011 12:00 PM EDT up reply actions
oh agreed
but those happen. It’s amazing what teams are willing to do when they see short term gratification. If Niemann can put a few more starts together like he did in Milwaukee, the Rays could get an offer.
by raysfaninminnesota on Jun 27, 2011 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions
I just want him gone
but thats selfish. I just hate cringing when I see his name come up, hes as much a black hole in the rotation as briggy and shit pack have been in the batters box.
Kazmir was an lefthanded SP as recently as a year before that deal...
don’t try and equate him with Niemann.
Boom. Outta Here.
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by Ryan Gilliss on Jun 27, 2011 11:59 AM EDT up reply actions
Niemann also is cheap and under team control
he doesn’t have the 20 some million left on his deal that Kaz had. He’s no where near as talented. That’s not even a question. But look at how this league keeps giving retreads start after start. It’s hard to find any kind of pitching. And someone might view Niemann as a low risk option (if he can string together a few quality starts) that is worth a C level prospect. If this move doesn’t work out, you are not handstrung financially. If it does, you got decent pitching for cheap. But the key is stringing together good starts. ANd not stuff like he did in Houston.
by raysfaninminnesota on Jun 27, 2011 12:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Kazmir was cheap and under team control...
you are talking about getting a Sean Rodriguez and also about getting a C level prospect. I’m not sure these are the same thing.
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by Ryan Gilliss on Jun 27, 2011 12:13 PM EDT up reply actions
what type of grade prospect was S-rod when we acquired him?
Kazmir was cheap? Are you crazy? He made 8 mil in 2010, 12 million this season, and a 2.5 million dollar buy-out for next season. And whatever was left on the contract in 09 when the Rays traded him.
Kaz was not cheap at all. It’s still a friggin miracle that the Rays were even able to move him.
by raysfaninminnesota on Jun 27, 2011 12:31 PM EDT up reply actions
He was probably a B to a B+ prospect...
Grade C prospects are the most common type. These are guys who have something positive going for them, but who may have a question mark or three, or who are just too far away from the majors to get an accurate feel for. A few Grade C guys, especially at the lower levels, do develop into stars. Many end up as role players or bench guys. Some don’t make it at all.
I would still contend that Kazmir’s contract was cost friendly for a team like the Rays (they never would have done it if it wasn’t), don’t confuse the results with the situation at the time of the contract. If he had continued pitching like had been, the deal was very team friendly.
Boom. Outta Here.
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by Ryan Gilliss on Jun 27, 2011 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions
It was cheap if he still pitched like a top flight LHP
it was cost-control, not cheap. Not a horrible deal for Rays. But a financial disaster if he broke down and couldn’t pitch the way he was capable.
by raysfaninminnesota on Jun 27, 2011 12:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Same with any long term deal given to a pitcher...
the rays were able to buy out so free agency at a price that was much less than he would have received on the open market had he performed as he had up to the point.
Boom. Outta Here.
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by Ryan Gilliss on Jun 27, 2011 12:45 PM EDT up reply actions
good to see the spel police are out in full fury today
by raysfaninminnesota on Jun 27, 2011 12:34 PM EDT up reply actions
It's not a spelling situation...
it’s trying to use words that you don’t know.
Boom. Outta Here.
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by Ryan Gilliss on Jun 27, 2011 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions
i was correcting the idea.
I assumed you spelled hand correctly.
Hamstrung refers to cutting someones hamstring in swordplay so that they can no longer stand.
You know Maddon isn't taking his job any time soon
How many god awful starts was he allowed last year and how many has he had this year? (other than MIN and MIL), he’s been a BP pitcher for the last year. This is the same front office that still uses a roster spot for Andy Sonnanstine. Keep that one in mind.
Under construction
The only positive thing I can say about Sonny
is he’s been decent in mop-up duty, and eating innings when the team has needed him to. That’s the only value he has.
by raysfaninminnesota on Jun 27, 2011 12:04 PM EDT up reply actions
How would we know that?
He doesn’t even pitch in mop up duty, I never see him on the mound which I wont complain about but how the hell does he still have a roster spot?
Under construction
OT: I was in Houston for the games this weekend, and ran into Andrew Friedman at a bar late saturday night
I really wanted to ask him why Shoppach is still on the team, and a thousand other questions, but settled for a simple hello.
Should have punched him in his cheap face
The caller said the boy, after removing the bulb from its socket, left the building and threw the bulb on the ground. When the bulb broke, the caller said the boy screamed "ooooown u poop"
by Top Gun Numba 1 on Jun 27, 2011 12:03 PM EDT up reply actions
The correct question would have been "Why is Sonny still on the team?"
Shit patch has actually been playing decent lately
Rays are not in the business of losing assets
even if they put the ASS in asset. Like it or not, that’s how they roll. If they feel Russell can still turn into a quality reliever, then they’ll do everything they can to keep him. Same goes with Ramos, etc. Unless Howell shows something in the next couple months (if that) he’s prob on his last tour with the Rays.
by raysfaninminnesota on Jun 27, 2011 12:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Damn, Megavideo just cut me off
halfway through an episode of Franklin and Bash.
Torrent that shit
The caller said the boy, after removing the bulb from its socket, left the building and threw the bulb on the ground. When the bulb broke, the caller said the boy screamed "ooooown u poop"
by Top Gun Numba 1 on Jun 27, 2011 12:49 PM EDT up reply actions
With a pool party
The caller said the boy, after removing the bulb from its socket, left the building and threw the bulb on the ground. When the bulb broke, the caller said the boy screamed "ooooown u poop"
by Top Gun Numba 1 on Jun 27, 2011 12:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Well yeah, that's why I thought it was silly that you asked
The caller said the boy, after removing the bulb from its socket, left the building and threw the bulb on the ground. When the bulb broke, the caller said the boy screamed "ooooown u poop"
by Top Gun Numba 1 on Jun 27, 2011 12:54 PM EDT up reply actions
What use does Sonny have on this team?
Niemann goes out in 3 innings and Maddon does not even use the long man. Just bring up McGee or Gomes already so we can have a nice arm that gets used.
He has no use
but we were in that game. Putting sonny in would have almost surely been admitting defeat. then again, the way the bullpen performed, its probably a moot point. send sonny to the NL and get something in return.
so i agree.
What sort of "something" are you hoping for?
I’m shooting for a bag of balls, but I’d be satisfied with a happy meal toy. Nao is the time Friedsy!
by pudieron89 on Jun 27, 2011 4:40 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Anyone besides RJ Anderson not think Gas Can Howell has been awful thus far?
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link to where RJ says that Howell has not been awful?
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by Ryan Gilliss on Jun 27, 2011 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions
here's the tweet--you can't make this stuff up
r_j_anderson R.J. Anderson
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@sternfan10 Howell hasn’t been awful, so…
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from Friday...
looking at the game log and it appears that JP was improving. He got the W yesterday so he’s obviously getting better
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by Ryan Gilliss on Jun 27, 2011 3:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Can we get rid of Cesar Ramos?
He is crap..-0.3 WAR, 19 hits and 13 walks in 24 innings…kick rocks
What a difference a year does NOT make
On this date in 2010, the Rays were 2 GB the New York Yankees
Surprised?
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Nope, are you?
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by blackraven on May 5, 2011 3:46 PM EDT
by Sandy Kazmir on Jun 27, 2011 1:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, id really hate to repeat last year
and win the AL east.
GO RAYS!
and other things im not allowed to say anymore.
Shocked
The Rays are actually pretty bad this year compared to last year
by benderbrodriguez on Jun 27, 2011 5:47 PM EDT up reply actions
and how did that end?
oh wait, now I remember.
by Blue or CONKZILLA on Jun 27, 2011 1:37 PM EDT reply actions
someone mentioned it earlier but with Cobb emerging as a guy who should be a starter next year
I would really like to see what Torres can do out of the pen. I had originally thought that Torres should be the 5th starter in 2012 but have changed my stance. Hopefully it won’t be long until we see at least 2 of Torres, Mcgee, and Gomes in the pen over Ramos and Sonny.
also anyone else listen to the post game show on the radio yesterday, a caller called in about why sonnanstine was on the team and the host went off on him about how we shouldn’t worry about a guy who has only thrown like 7 innings in the last month. I wanted to reach through the radio and be like that is exactly why he shouldn’t be on the team. If Maddon doesn’t even trust him in mop up duty what the hell good is he.
Sadly, I have to agree with Drays Bay usre "Dbullsfan."
Sonny is useless beyond putting on uniform everyday and sitting on the bench.
My main concern right now is seeing Jennings/Guyer up in 3 days or however long it is until they’re available.
@ptSuttery
who goes to make room for Jennings/Guyer?
It isn’t going to be Sonnanstine, much as that might make sense, and I don’t see them sending down E. Johnson, Fuld, or Ruggiano and losing them off waivers.
by AndrewTorrez on Jun 27, 2011 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions
I imagine it will be Ruggiano, he is pretty useless once Jennings is up
I don’t think Guyer will get called up, I imagine that the Rays will want Guyer getting a full year in AAA unless he is needed because of injury/trade.
AF usually goes bargain hunting for relievers at the deadline.
He may give up some cash or future consideration(maybe a B/C prospect for a veteran type but I don’t see him giving up top talent for a reliever. Not even as part of a bigger deal either.
I don't see how you can just throw Ruggiano away now, though
teams aren’t going to trade for him, but he won’t clear waivers. He’s shown himself to be a pretty much ideal 4th OF.
by AndrewTorrez on Jun 27, 2011 4:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Is he as dynamic as Fuld though?
Boom. Outta Here.
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by Ryan Gilliss on Jun 27, 2011 4:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Rays have DFA'ed him 2 or 3 times already. and retained him.
I don’t think they are worried about one more.
he wasn't hitting .305 with three highlight-reel catches in LF
the last time they DFAed him.
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