Cobb Outdoes Haren; Rays Beat Angels, 4-1
by BWoodrum on Jun 8, 2011 1:34 AM EDT
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The Rays (32-29) continued their creep towards the top with their second straight win against the Los Angeles Angels (30-33). Alex Cobb (1-0) pitched exceptionally, twirling a fine 6 and 1/3 innings -- walking none and K'ing 3. The rookie certainly had a California-sized ob-stakle in his way, pairing off against Dan Haren (5-4), who allowed 3 runs in 7 innings of work. Tonight, the Rays became the 5th team to get more than 2 runs against Haren over his 13 starts in 2011. Tonight's victory was no small feet.
Johnny Damon started the game proper, hitting a lead-off triple and scoring four pitches later on a Ben Zobrist ground out. The Rays then loaded the bases with no outs in the second inning, only to have Dan Haren houdini his way out of it. B.J. Upton put the Rays up 2-0 with his 8th homer of the year in the 3rd. He is now on pace to hit ~20.5 homers this year. In the fourth, Damon slapped yet another extra-base hit, doubling on a ball straight-murdered towards center field, sending John Jaso across the plate.
Meanwhile, Alex Cobb's side of the game went so smoothly as to be almost boring -- until the 6th inning, when Howie Kendrick hit a ground rule double to right and Torii Hunter drove him home with a single. The Cobb-related thrills continued in the 7th, when Mark Trumbo led off with with a double to right-center, which slipped by B.J. Upton to allow Trumbo to trudge to third base.
After getting the shell of Vernon Wells to pop out, Cobb left in favor of J.P. Howell, who did his best J.P. Howell impersonation, making Maicer Izturis and Hank Conger look like beer-league softball players, sunburned and ready to go home and watch NASCAR. With two outs in the top of the eighth, Casey Kotchman spurred a hit-fest, skying a double to left and later scoring on a John Jaso single.
From there, the 1-2 combo of Joel Peralta and Kyle Farnsworth collectively said, "2010 was not a fluke," slamming the door so hard Torii Hunter may have gotten a nosebleed.
Notes from the game:
- It is still early to matter too much, but: The Rays have clambered back to within 2.5 games of the New York Yankees and Boston Red Sox. The Yanks and Sox are beating each other up this week, so wins mean gaining ground on either or both of them. That would be nice.
- Johnny Damon, Casey Kotchman (SF1/Landlord), and John Jaso had a great day today, going a combined 8 for 12 with a walk. Kotchman still seems to be suffering a little bit from the recent ankle injury, but he ran, hit, and fielded effectively tonight, which is a good sign. In fact he hit a foul homer off Haren at one point, albeit moments before he
struck outgrounded out to second base. - Kyle Farnsworth has walked only one batter all year long. It is just a shame the Rays could not find a proven closer like Rafael Soriano, Ryan Franklin, Matt Thornton, Joakim Soria, or Matt Capps (all relievers under-performing Farnstormer).
- Russ Canzler had a grand slam today, his 7th home run of the Triple-A season. Coming into action today (pre-salami, in other words), Canzler was sporting a .397 wOBA and playing some fine-to-acceptable defense at third base. Felipe Lopez better watch his back.
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Great outing by Cobb
And it was really great to see JP to come in shut down the Angels in the 7th. He had really great stuff.
Sons of Plunder
Oh that's what you meant
Maddon's Mission
Make you want to kill him, then make you want to love him. Sly.
by Jonah Keri on Jun 19, 2010 10:31 PM EDT
wtf
I'm not sure if you're serious...If you are, the reasons are simple:
1) Dutton’s xBABIP has to be input by hand, so it takes a long time to calculate.
2) I do this for free.
by BWoodrum
Make fun all you want, but I was obscenely drunk last night and am still wearing some of that
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by blackraven on May 5, 2011 3:46 PM EDT
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by Top Gun Numba 1 on Jun 8, 2011 9:41 AM EDT up reply actions
Because I'm a man, with a set of balls
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by blackraven on May 5, 2011 3:46 PM EDT
Agrrend
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by Top Gun Numba 1 on Jun 8, 2011 9:47 AM EDT up reply actions
Maddon couldn't of been better with his timing tonight, it was amazing
Because he didn’t see the replay of how bad Alex Cobb missed his spot to Wells, he just saw the pop out. However, as soon as Cobb threw that pitch, Joe came right out and got him.
I think I know the secret to JP’s success by the way, he has looked much calmer on the mound this season and he has failed, tonight he went back to falling off the rubber to make a nasty curve and he got himself 2 k’s. And it was probably a very smart move to take JP out on that high note and give the 8th to the other JP. Farnsworth….hot damn
There is no contest of Cobb vs Sonny, a Cobb vs Davis contest would be closer. However, when it comes down to Cobb vs Neimann, the large dude is going to win. Sonnanstine is so useless, how does everyone feel about Cobb moving to the pen when Neimann returns?
Under construction
I'd rather have Davis to the pen
May be he can regain his velocity and breaking stuff there. But his long-term deal probably immunes him to such a move.
Our best option IMO would be to keep Cobb and Davis in the rotation
And see how Neimann does out of the pen. He blows up by the 6th and that’s when he’s on. He should pitch less innings.
As for Davis, last year he couldn’t pitch in June, I think it was May this year and he will be just fine. We should roll with Price – Shields – Hellickson – Davis – Cobb and that would be for a while because it might be our 5 best options until Moore is ready.
Under construction
How in the hell do you see Niemann as better than Cobb, but Cobb better than Davis?
Niemann is garbage always has been, always will be.
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by blackraven on May 5, 2011 3:46 PM EDT
I was wondering the same thing, but I wasn't sure if I read it wrong or if he was serious..
Basically, Niemann > Cobb and WD40……….something is wrong with that.
by DaPriceIsRight on Jun 8, 2011 9:36 AM EDT up reply actions
Sure, maybe if he just fell into their hands. How many teams would actually give up something of value for him, though?
by DaPriceIsRight on Jun 8, 2011 9:37 AM EDT up reply actions
The numbers may not be on WD's side but I would still argue he has more going for him/better stuff.
by DaPriceIsRight on Jun 8, 2011 9:41 AM EDT up reply actions
No, I haven't watched any baseball since last year.
I didn’t like the whole pitching philosophy he had earlier in the year but it seems like he’s starting to come around now pitching harder. I’ll be curious to see the results of his next 4-5 starts.
by DaPriceIsRight on Jun 8, 2011 9:45 AM EDT up reply actions
So much so that I expect to get nothing for him on the trade market
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by blackraven on May 5, 2011 3:46 PM EDT
Career #'s
Stat-Niemann-Davis
ERA-4.19-4.32
FIP-4.42-4.63
xFIP-4.36-4.65
tERA-4.34-4.60
SwStrk-7.5%-6.4%
Not saying Davis can’t develop, but it wouldn’t be fair to say he is far better than Niemann
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He certainly has the better upside, no?
by DaPriceIsRight on Jun 8, 2011 9:46 AM EDT up reply actions
I actually think they are similar
with Niemann’s health risk being the clear reason I prefer Davis. But healthy? Pretty similar. I like Niemann.
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by blackraven on May 5, 2011 3:46 PM EDT
Damon and Kotch, hitting like the true pros they are
Let’s hope Matt Joyce can keep up with Kotch—you know those GB hitters are doomed so it shouldn’t be too difficult
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This has happened kinda quietly
Of course, Joyce has the highest wOBA on the team over the past 30 days at .453, but minimum 40 PA, look who is 2nd place:
.327/.381/.452 with a .372 wOBA and nearly a 1:1 K/BB
Yep, Johnny Damon
It’s been so long since the club has had a productive DH I’ve almost forgotten what one looks like.
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Damon throughout his career has maintained a near BB% of 10 and
the low walk total was perplexing at the start of the season. That appears to be on the rise and thus so has the other totals
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4% in April, 6% since
Still well off his pace from the last 5 years but he’s also making more contact this year than he has in the past. Yet, he’s not giving up the power as he’s just one HR shy of tying last year’s output and he’s on pace to equal his XBH production from last season – a season in which his open market production was nearly $9.5M.
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by Jason Collette on Jun 8, 2011 6:53 AM EDT up reply actions
I'm guessing the last two seasons his power and lack of it were dictated by the parks
(Yankee Stadium and Comerica) he played in
The cool thing about Damon he can adapt his swing to the park he’s playing at
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sure...
Yankee Stadium definitely inflated his HR #’s
Trop & Comerica were practically equal last year in terms of HR park factors but Comerica loved doubles last year so for Damon to be on track to meet or exceed both of those totals says something.
That said, his swing is still the ugliest damn thing I’ve ever seen.
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by Jason Collette on Jun 8, 2011 7:25 AM EDT up reply actions
He hit seven at home last year and one on the road.
by ballsdeep187 on Jun 8, 2011 10:23 AM EDT up reply actions
But how many foul homers did he hit?
As you can always expect come from behind victory is when you least expect it.
Kotch grounded out following the barely missed HR
He did not strike out. Agenda’d
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I think he blended the next Ruggiano at bat into that as he did strike out in the following at bat.
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by Jason Collette on Jun 8, 2011 7:55 AM EDT up reply actions
that wasnt...?
Somebody call an ambulance!
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by PlayOnWords on Jun 8, 2011 8:09 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
When did this
In fact he hit a foul homer off Haren at one point,
start becoming news? Do we track foul homers for all players?
As you can always expect come from behind victory is when you least expect it.
You and your anti-kotch agenda
Give the man credit for his foul homers
by GomesSweetGomes on Jun 8, 2011 8:17 AM EDT up reply actions
given the fact he hasn't hit anything further than 350 feet since the Marlins series, a long foul HR is news
He did crush it and it looked gone off the bat.
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by Jason Collette on Jun 8, 2011 8:20 AM EDT up reply actions
I'm just curious why everyone is getting their panties all wet over a foul homer.
I get the polarizing figure angle, but just seems like reaching for news when there was no news. Did he change his approach at the plate?
As you can always expect come from behind victory is when you least expect it.
No, BUT HE DID HAVE LASIK!
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by Passionate Apathy on Jun 8, 2011 8:26 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
The haters of Kotch have ruined Rays baseball for many
It’s no longer the Rays v -————- it’s become the game within the game. What will Kotch do w/RISP? When will his GB turn into a DP? Every one of his ABs is put under a microscope. It’s sad really is
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everyone is put under a microscope to look at the process and see what the success/problem is
Opinions and facts do not always come to a common ending point and of course there are always outliers. Again, again, and again, if we didn’t point out the potential pitfalls in a performance, we’d be doing everyone a disservice. In an unusual case such as Kotchman, it is going to get extra attention because of how unique it is for a slow-footed guy to suddenly get this amount of BIP fortune all at once despite very little change in his approach.
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by Jason Collette on Jun 8, 2011 9:13 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Dear Mr. Collete
Maybe it is your approach that needs changing. I think the approach that AF and a few others had on the signing of Kotchiro has worked out fine.
How is my approach different to any other writer here?
It’s the “home of progressive statistical analysis” — if you’re looking for us to just nod in approval at something like this without taking a deeper look into why it is likely very tough to sustain, I suggest you frequent other sites.
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by Jason Collette on Jun 8, 2011 9:26 AM EDT up reply actions
Read up on Freezo
His approach was much more logical than yours or RJ’s
I have
Kotchman still has a way to go before convincing most analysts that he is a league average hitter, though ZiPs projects him at a 745 OPS the rest of the way. His power is well-below average for the position, and while groundballs are less likely to go for extra bases, flyballs that don’t leave the yard are less likely to turn into hits. If Kotchman has a chance to be an average hitter, its likely with his current profile, because his already sub-standard power will only decline with age.
/blockquote>That bolded statement is essentially what all of us have said. Logic should be qualified by fact, not your opinion. RJ, FreeZo, myself, Sandy, and just about every sensible Rays blogger has presented an angle to the Magic of Kotchman; we’ll see where the end result is at season’s end.
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by Jason Collette on Jun 8, 2011 9:34 AM EDT up reply actions
2nd part shouldn't be blockquoted
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by Jason Collette on Jun 8, 2011 9:34 AM EDT up reply actions
Let the record show that I've always been Kotchman's biggest fan and I wish him nothing but continued success
@SandyKazmir
Yes I've only been a fan since 2009. You got me.
by blackraven on May 5, 2011 3:46 PM EDT
Let me be clear
They signed him to a $700,000 deal and gave DanJo a $1M deal despite the service time difference so whatever process led to that valuation of the players, it failed. Can we chalk this up to some dumb luck?
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by Jason Collette on Jun 8, 2011 9:41 AM EDT up reply actions
I call that my penis
@SandyKazmir
Yes I've only been a fan since 2009. You got me.
by blackraven on May 5, 2011 3:46 PM EDT
Or weiner, rather
@SandyKazmir
Yes I've only been a fan since 2009. You got me.
by blackraven on May 5, 2011 3:46 PM EDT
One hint to help you understand
If you get the chance, ask Joe what he wants out of the 1b position on his team. Ask AF what he wants to pay for his 1b position.
Tom,
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by blackraven on May 5, 2011 3:46 PM EDT
It has certainly ruined Rays baseball for me. It used to be about the smell of the grass, and taking your kid out to the Trop to get her a Carlos Pena night light. Now all we get is corporate Anti-Kotchism
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by Top Gun Numba 1 on Jun 8, 2011 9:44 AM EDT up reply actions
Only because both sides to this refuse to let it go.
We can’t mention Kotchman at all in a game recap – positive or negative – without a giant subthread developing, even if it starts as mostly tongue-in-cheek. If people want it to stop, then just stop talking about it. I’d really like to be able to write a recap without having to worry about every word about Kotchman being dissected to death and analyzed for subtext.
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by Steve Slowinski on Jun 8, 2011 10:38 AM EDT up reply actions
Yup
@SandyKazmir
Yes I've only been a fan since 2009. You got me.
by blackraven on May 5, 2011 3:46 PM EDT
by Sandy Kazmir on Jun 8, 2011 10:43 AM EDT up reply actions
Exactly. It's a lose-lose situation. Ugh.
I love Casey Fossum. Now try and take me seriously. -- @steveslow
by Steve Slowinski on Jun 8, 2011 11:49 AM EDT up reply actions
Oh, I know you were.
It’s the rest of the thread that just makes me shake my head.
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by Steve Slowinski on Jun 8, 2011 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions
I womder if there is any other player with Kotch's numbers
slash line, wOBA, OPS+ defensive prowess that is constantly berated and mocked by his own team’s SBN site
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I'm glad he's doing so well, otherwise I'm sure you'd be at the front of the mocking line :)
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by Jason Collette on Jun 8, 2011 9:14 AM EDT up reply actions
I can't say anything negative about him without being accused of bias...
So I’m only dumping out compliments. The empty batting average is awesome.
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by Jason Collette on Jun 8, 2011 10:00 AM EDT up reply actions
Dude, Kotchman is the best we've all moved on to hating Longoria now
@SandyKazmir
Yes I've only been a fan since 2009. You got me.
by blackraven on May 5, 2011 3:46 PM EDT
by Sandy Kazmir on Jun 8, 2011 10:05 AM EDT up reply actions
Longo is clearly loafing it
2 days for a stomach flu? C’mon – he doesn’t want to be in this market any longer and trying to force his way out of it
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by Jason Collette on Jun 8, 2011 10:10 AM EDT up reply actions
He's fragile.
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by Passionate Apathy on Jun 8, 2011 10:10 AM EDT up reply actions
That contract was a curse
@SandyKazmir
Yes I've only been a fan since 2009. You got me.
by blackraven on May 5, 2011 3:46 PM EDT
by Sandy Kazmir on Jun 8, 2011 10:12 AM EDT up reply actions
Yes, empty average
Rk BA RC PA Year Age Tm Lg G AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI
1 Jose Bautista .348 73 244 2011 30 TOR AL 53 187 48 65 9 1 20 41
2 Adrian Gonzalez .340 51 270 2011 29 BOS AL 60 247 40 84 18 2 12 51
3 Matthew Joyce .340 46 215 2011 26 TBR AL 58 191 36 65 15 2 10 34
4 Matt Holliday .342 36 180 2011 31 STL NL 44 155 31 53 13 0 6 31
5 Travis Hafner .345 26 127 2011 34 CLE AL 32 113 17 39 8 0 5 22
6 Casey Kotchman .351 25 148 2011 28 TBR AL 46 134 14 47 7 1 2 12
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Generated 6/8/2011.
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by Jason Collette on Jun 8, 2011 10:27 AM EDT up reply actions
Outside of ISO please tell me where Kotch ranks among AL
first baseman in the following
wOBA
OBP
OPS
OPS+
K% With nine hitters cloning Kotch in our line up do we score 3R or fewer 5-% of the time
I’ll respond when you answer the above questions
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brunt
Kotchman is the Dr. Zaius of the the Rays
@SandyKazmir
Yes I've only been a fan since 2009. You got me.
by blackraven on May 5, 2011 3:46 PM EDT
by Sandy Kazmir on Jun 8, 2011 10:33 AM EDT up reply actions
Gload
http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=1538&position=1B
2004 and 2006 seem to be good examples; 2010 Gload could be what Kotch’s end result is this season
Rk Player RC BA PA Year Age Tm Lg G AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI
1 Derrek Lee 167 .335 691 2005 29 CHC NL 158 594 120 199 50 3 46 107
2 Albert Pujols 165 .327 700 2009 29 STL NL 160 568 124 186 45 1 47 135
3 Albert Pujols 160 .357 641 2008 28 STL NL 148 524 100 187 44 0 37 116
4 Albert Pujols 156 .330 700 2005 25 STL NL 161 591 129 195 38 2 41 117
5 Albert Pujols 151 .331 634 2006 26 STL NL 143 535 119 177 33 1 49 137
6 Joey Votto 144 .324 648 2010 26 CIN NL 150 547 106 177 36 2 37 113
7 Miguel Cabrera 141 .328 648 2010 27 DET AL 150 548 111 180 45 1 38 126
8 Albert Pujols 132 .327 679 2007 27 STL NL 158 565 99 185 38 1 32 103
9 Miguel Cabrera 127 .324 685 2009 26 DET AL 160 611 96 198 34 0 34 103
10 Todd Helton 126 .320 626 2005 31 COL NL 144 509 92 163 45 2 20 79
11 Todd Helton 125 .320 682 2007 33 COL NL 154 557 86 178 42 2 17 91
12 Justin Morneau 125 .321 661 2006 25 MIN AL 157 592 97 190 37 1 34 130
13 Todd Helton 115 .325 645 2009 35 COL NL 151 544 79 177 38 3 15 86
14 Joey Votto 113 .322 544 2009 25 CIN NL 131 469 82 151 38 1 25 84
15 Dmitri Young 84 .320 508 2007 33 WSN NL 136 460 57 147 38 1 13 74
16 Justin Morneau 82 .345 348 2010 29 MIN AL 81 296 53 102 25 1 18 56
17 James Loney 70 .331 375 2007 23 LAD NL 96 344 41 114 18 4 15 67
18 Joey Votto 56 .336 276 2011 27 CIN NL 61 220 43 74 14 2 8 38
19 Adrian Gonzalez 51 .340 270 2011 29 BOS AL 60 247 40 84 18 2 12 51
20 Wes Helms 51 .329 278 2006 30 FLA NL 140 240 30 79 19 5 10 47
21 Robb Quinlan 37 .321 244 2006 29 LAA AL 86 234 28 75 11 1 9 32
22 Sean Casey 29 .322 218 2008 33 BOS AL 69 199 14 64 14 0 0 17
23 Ross Gload 26 .327 167 2006 30 CHW AL 77 156 22 51 8 2 3 18
24 Casey Kotchman 25 .351 148 2011 28 TBR AL 46 134 14 47 7 1 2 12
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Generated 6/8/2011.
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by Jason Collette on Jun 8, 2011 10:35 AM EDT up reply actions
unlike you i'm not so invested on when he'll fail
but like Maddon and Friedman are enjoying a stellar season
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Why am I invested in him failing?
I get paid to write whether I’m right or wrong so the outcome is irrelevant. I want the Rays to succeed so him doing well is in my best interest.
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by Jason Collette on Jun 8, 2011 10:40 AM EDT up reply actions
He ranks 10th in WAR so far in the AL for 1B
Besides, this discussion is about what he will do moving forward, not what he has done.
If you want to get into the pace game he had 12 strikeouts in his first 119 at bats but already has 3 in his first 15 this month (as he’s seen AB vs LHP). If he gets to the same amount of ABs this month as he did last month, that’s 15 strikeouts for June which would be more than April + May.
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by Jason Collette on Jun 8, 2011 10:39 AM EDT up reply actions
so as i suspected you refuse to answer
i can only hope and Pray Kotch can finish strong and oh boy am i going to have some fun
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Me too, we're looking like a playoff team these last too games
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by blackraven on May 5, 2011 3:46 PM EDT
by Sandy Kazmir on Jun 8, 2011 10:45 AM EDT up reply actions
"Matt Joyce is a AAAA player"
“Kotchman….Farnsworth — we’re going to finish last place!”
Your talent evaluations since December have been spot on so I have faith you’ll be right once again here when it is all said and done!
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by Jason Collette on Jun 8, 2011 10:50 AM EDT up reply actions
"Yields is back!!!"
After one bad start.
by PullingGuardGator on Jun 8, 2011 10:56 AM EDT up reply actions
R"Ruggiano has NO chance of being called up
because of his 40 man status"
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I'll say he falls offf the strikeout pace over the 15 AB sample
He’s never been a strikeout artist, and had by far his highest rate last year which is why I don’t dismiss the eyesight thing.
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In the context of his night it made sense
2 singles, a 2 double, and a narrowly missed HR is swinging a good bat.
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A 2 double
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by Top Gun Numba 1 on Jun 8, 2011 9:48 AM EDT up reply actions
FreeZo love shis 2 duece coupe
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by blackraven on May 5, 2011 3:46 PM EDT
gnite
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by Top Gun Numba 1 on Jun 8, 2011 9:53 AM EDT up reply actions
"Tonights victory was no small feet"
Size 12 at the least
Don't you dare criticize the english major
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by Top Gun Numba 1 on Jun 8, 2011 9:45 AM EDT up reply actions
Um
ST. PETERSBURG | The Rays have been collecting shortstops in the First-Year Player Draft, but their their No. 1 pick is playing hard to get.
So far they can’t even get pitcher Taylor Guerrieri, their top pick on Monday night, to return phone calls. The 18-year-old right-hander, who was drafted 24th overall Monday night, has a commitment to the University of South Carolina that he is taking very seriously.
“With a lot of these guys, it’s just going to be a matter of letting things settle down and we’ll get with them,” scouting director R.J. Harrison said. “I intend to go in there next week or so to meet with the family, really emphasize to them the importance of getting him out playing, and we’ll just go from there.”
Vroom vroom party starter
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It's called hardball
any agent would tell his kid not to say anything, especially with this front office.
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by Jason Collette on Jun 8, 2011 9:08 AM EDT up reply actions
I think most kids at least answer the calls from their teams
Travels at 140,000 mph. Produces 500 megajoules of energy. Originates from the heavens.
This
Not to get chicken little but I’d really dislike our draft without Guerrieri. What if the reason he fell is that he told other teams he wouldn’t sign?
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by Imperialism32 on Jun 8, 2011 9:23 AM EDT up reply actions
I was just wondering the same thing.
Perhaps the ’makeup" issues were blown out of proportion and it was a signability issue that caused his drop.
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I still despise the process.
Remember Levon Washington right after the draft?
“I’m definitely signing”
/doesn’t sign
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Serious question, why do teams take players that they know are going to college?
As you can always expect come from behind victory is when you least expect it.
Depends on round/situation.
(Almost) every HSer has a college commit. Some are more serious about it than others. I think teams usually have a pretty good handle on who can be persuaded to deviate from the college route before the draft. But, obviously, things change.
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They don't
They might take a flier on someone later in the draft hoping they can pry him away.
see Josh Bell falling to the 2nd rd
It depends when
First five rounds it;s because they think they can sign him. Later on it’s just in case something happens (ruled ineligible for college, family needs the money, etc)
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by Imperialism32 on Jun 8, 2011 9:35 AM EDT up reply actions
any kid choosing college over pros needs to have their head examined
You can earn a degree at any time. If you’re in the top 3 rounds, take the money and run. That’s what online courses are for.
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by Jason Collette on Jun 8, 2011 9:39 AM EDT up reply actions
When you go pro, teams pay for college post-career too
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by Imperialism32 on Jun 8, 2011 9:41 AM EDT up reply actions
I'm pretty sure almost every contract includes that
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by Imperialism32 on Jun 8, 2011 9:43 AM EDT up reply actions
Maybe the top ones
I find it hard to believe they are going to pay for a 20th rd picks college education
I believe they pay for it if you don't make the bigs.
But I/m sure there is a round limit. I doubt they are putting it in the contracts of org guys.
Twitter: @mbleazy
I believe Kevin Goldstein said on his podcast that just about everyone got it
I could be mis-remembering or misunderstanding, or he could be mistaken, but still
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by Imperialism32 on Jun 8, 2011 9:46 AM EDT up reply actions
But for some random 30th round HS pick
$1,000 signing bonus plus college paid for probably isn’t worth it. Four years of playing at college is longer than you’d last in the pros, most likely.
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by Imperialism32 on Jun 8, 2011 9:50 AM EDT up reply actions
He's just on a bender. He'll sober up in a few days and get right on that, no big deal.
@SandyKazmir
Yes I've only been a fan since 2009. You got me.
by blackraven on May 5, 2011 3:46 PM EDT
I woulda cracked my first beer at the start of the draft and been power drinking after the 15th pick went by and I was still out there
Probably wake up naked somewhere with a sandwich in one hand and my cock in the other
@SandyKazmir
Yes I've only been a fan since 2009. You got me.
by blackraven on May 5, 2011 3:46 PM EDT
Like the guy in Haines City.
Last thing he remembered was cracking open a Four Loko.
Woke up nude on some old lady’s couch nowhere near where his evening began.
@RealNolenBailey
Lets let this random BIUN scout him for us, ok?
Bucasneer Jun 7, 2011 4:20 PM
There are a lot of questions about this kid, actually. Rumors of character issue are the least of which. How, in 6 months, did he go from throwing 83-87 to 92-98???? His claim of “3 lb dumbells” is a joke.
Abandoning his high school to transfer to a better one for his senior year, in order to begin partying with the SC folks does not bode well either. We will have to pay him a hefty amount more than the slot demands, knowing the Rays they won’t cough up the cash. I’d be surprised if he signed. Refusing to even talk to the team yet is yet another flag.
I don’t like the way this is shaping up. He needs to pull his head out of his nethers, or try again in 4 years after college, where he will be tossing the dice with regards to production, injury etc.
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by Top Gun Numba 1 on Jun 8, 2011 9:53 AM EDT up reply actions
But what does the Tea Party think?
ANGRYTAXPAYER Jun 7, 2011 10:28 PM
Not signing to a 1st round contract may be a big mistake. I THINK HE’LL SIGN
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by Top Gun Numba 1 on Jun 8, 2011 9:55 AM EDT up reply actions
And before you laugh, this guy has a good track record
ANGRYTAXPAYER Jun 7, 2011 11:56 PM
I wanted us to take Buster Posey with the 1st pick in 2008 instead of Tim Beckham
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by Top Gun Numba 1 on Jun 8, 2011 9:56 AM EDT up reply actions
Just let ATP write the punchlines from now on
@SandyKazmir
Yes I've only been a fan since 2009. You got me.
by blackraven on May 5, 2011 3:46 PM EDT
I THINK HE'LL SIGN
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by Top Gun Numba 1 on Jun 8, 2011 9:59 AM EDT up reply actions
He needs to try again in 7 years after collegw
He seems pretty smart
@SandyKazmir
Yes I've only been a fan since 2009. You got me.
by blackraven on May 5, 2011 3:46 PM EDT
collegw
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by Top Gun Numba 1 on Jun 8, 2011 9:56 AM EDT up reply actions
You're a coward
@SandyKazmir
Yes I've only been a fan since 2009. You got me.
by blackraven on May 5, 2011 3:46 PM EDT
You're more yellow then the blood passing into your liver right now
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by Top Gun Numba 1 on Jun 8, 2011 9:59 AM EDT up reply actions
My blood is fine thank you, only pusscowards worry about such nonsense
@SandyKazmir
Yes I've only been a fan since 2009. You got me.
by blackraven on May 5, 2011 3:46 PM EDT
by Sandy Kazmir on Jun 8, 2011 10:00 AM EDT up reply actions
And you're not a pusscoward. You're a bilecoward
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by Top Gun Numba 1 on Jun 8, 2011 10:01 AM EDT up reply actions
You truly are the once and future pus in boots
@SandyKazmir
Yes I've only been a fan since 2009. You got me.
by blackraven on May 5, 2011 3:46 PM EDT
by Sandy Kazmir on Jun 8, 2011 10:04 AM EDT up reply actions
Spoken like a true cowardly dugaby
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by Top Gun Numba 1 on Jun 8, 2011 10:04 AM EDT up reply actions
This is weak, even for a pusscoward like yourself
Hit the gym, step your game up, then come at me, coward
@SandyKazmir
Yes I've only been a fan since 2009. You got me.
by blackraven on May 5, 2011 3:46 PM EDT
by Sandy Kazmir on Jun 8, 2011 10:07 AM EDT up reply actions
Read a book, buy a gun and strap in coward
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by Top Gun Numba 1 on Jun 8, 2011 10:08 AM EDT up reply actions
books are my guns.com
@SandyKazmir
Yes I've only been a fan since 2009. You got me.
by blackraven on May 5, 2011 3:46 PM EDT
by Sandy Kazmir on Jun 8, 2011 10:09 AM EDT up reply actions
I shoot what i read
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by Top Gun Numba 1 on Jun 8, 2011 10:12 AM EDT up reply actions
then
Vroom vroom party starter
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by Imperialism32 on Jun 8, 2011 10:03 AM EDT up reply actions
vroom
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by Top Gun Numba 1 on Jun 8, 2011 10:04 AM EDT up reply actions
Dear Mr Wood
Please give us warning about your links.
That shower scene scared the hell out of me.
In other news; Joyce and Kotchiro are battling for the BA title this year. Now that Joe has put the platoon on hold,our lefty trio of Damon , Joyce, and Kotchiro can raise our offensive stats.
I wish they would use Kotchiro's fatass to plug up the radiation leak in Japan
@SandyKazmir
Yes I've only been a fan since 2009. You got me.
by blackraven on May 5, 2011 3:46 PM EDT
So how many Sonny starts do we win if Cobb is pitching?
I would think at least 1 or 2.
That’s just about the difference between us and 1st
Travels at 140,000 mph. Produces 500 megajoules of energy. Originates from the heavens.
I am with you
on this one Sveet. I traveled to Miami series and was praying all the way down alligator alley that I would not have to sit there and watch him pitch. Joe missed the boat on Sonny
It sucks that Farnsworth's one walk was with the bases already loaded, but good job pointing it out
Who knew this guy was going to completely re-define himself over the last 2-3 years?
@SandyKazmir
Yes I've only been a fan since 2009. You got me.
by blackraven on May 5, 2011 3:46 PM EDT
He has been great. Another good bullpen find for cheap.
Rays are making him some money next season. “Proven closer”.
Twitter: @mbleazy
Hopefully he nets them a pick or two
@SandyKazmir
Yes I've only been a fan since 2009. You got me.
by blackraven on May 5, 2011 3:46 PM EDT
If that compensation system still exists in the next CBA.
Or is that still another year away?
Twitter: @mbleazy
Your guess is as good as mine
@SandyKazmir
Yes I've only been a fan since 2009. You got me.
by blackraven on May 5, 2011 3:46 PM EDT
At this point I'm assuming all league's had their CBA's expire at the same time.
This way fans can’t get pissed at any 1 sport.
/half joking
Twitter: @mbleazy
Holy shit some thug shot Bill Moloney the pitching coach for Monty, can we get these thugs off the streets or what OBama
http://www.montgomeryadvertiser.com/article/20110607/NEWS/110607001/Biscuits-pitching-coach-shot?odyssey=tab|topnews|text|Frontpage
@SandyKazmir
Yes I've only been a fan since 2009. You got me.
by blackraven on May 5, 2011 3:46 PM EDT
This was dealt with yesterday, please try to keep up
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by Top Gun Numba 1 on Jun 8, 2011 9:54 AM EDT up reply actions
Leave me alone, I'm grieving
@SandyKazmir
Yes I've only been a fan since 2009. You got me.
by blackraven on May 5, 2011 3:46 PM EDT
Ben?
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by Top Gun Numba 1 on Jun 8, 2011 9:56 AM EDT up reply actions
ATTN: All posters of this site
Citing wOBA and OPS+ will no longer be tolerated and there use will quickly result in a warning or banning
Thanks for your cooperation
Guess who
follow me on twitter @sternfan10
OPS+ is awful
@SandyKazmir
Yes I've only been a fan since 2009. You got me.
by blackraven on May 5, 2011 3:46 PM EDT
by Sandy Kazmir on Jun 8, 2011 10:37 AM EDT up reply actions
.
RJ busy looking for a stat that tells us how good Joyce and Yields are
follow me on twitter @sternfan10
by sternfan1 on Apr 14, 2011 8:10 PM EDT
I'm not a fanboy, I'm a _______
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ATTN: All posters of this site
Cherry-picking any stats not pre-approved by Sabermetric Overlord sternfan1 will no longer be tolerated and there use will quickly result in further flaming of said cherry-picked statistics and questions as to why you do not support the team
Thanks for your cooperation
Me
My post higher up was worded in a confusing way
If I was ranking them, I would have Davis > Cobb > Neimann > Sonny. I am a believer in WD40.
What I was trying to say is who the team would pick between the 2 guys and that is Wade Davis over Alex Cobb, Jeff Neimann over Alex Cobb and Alex Cobb over Andy Sonnanstine.
Now while I really think Wade will be much better the rest of the way, if I made the rotation right now, it would be…
David Price
James Shields
Jeremy Hellickson
Alex Cobb
Wade Davis
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