The Catching Conundrum: What To Do With Kelly Shoppach?
For this most part, I've reconciled myself with the Rays' roster. There were times early this season where the Rays' roster choices left me feeling confused, angered, disappointed -- but those days have passed me by and I'm feeling pretty content with how things are at the moment. Andy Sonnanstine is back in the bullpen; Sam Fuld is back to being used as a fourth outfielder; Elliot Johnson is no longer starting on a regular basis (well, he's injured, but it still holds); and Matt Joyce is settling in as an (near) everyday player in right field. With Desmond Jennings coming up (hopefully) sometime within the next month, it seems like the dark days are past us.
So when I look at the roster these days, my eye is getting increasingly drawn toward one position: catcher. While the Rays are actually getting good production out of first base, left field (Justin Ruggs!), and their designated hitter spot, the catcher's spot has devolved into a black hole:
John Jaso: .234 / .301 / .363 (.297 wOBA)
Kelly Shoppach: .159 / .242 / .239 (.226 wOBA)
Jaso may not be the reincarnation of Buster Posey (too soon?), but he's been around what you'd expect from him: he hits for a low average, walks around 8-10% of the time, hits for a modicum of power, and is below-average defensively. His average should come up to around the .250 level, bouncing up the rest of his stats as well, making him a decent-enough option behind the plate. At 27-years-old, it's unlikely that he develops into anything more than what he is right now, but hey, he's still loads better than Navarro was.
Kelly Shoppach, though....I don't even know what to say about that line. Shoppach's wOBA ranks him as one of the worst hitters in the majors this season -- 11th worst, if you're curious -- and he doesn't look anything like the masher the Rays traded for before the 2010 season. In 2009, Shoppach posted a .442 wOBA against left-handed pitchers, slugging .624 against them. This season, his OPS against lefties is lower than that -- a mere .612.
To be entirely fair, Shoppach hasn't been given many chances to succeed this season. He's faced around an equal number of right-handed and left-handed pitchers, and he's played infrequently. He's been quoted recently expressing frustration at his playing time, making it sound like he believes he plays better when playing on a more regular basis, and maybe there's something to that. At the very least, the current situation isn't working out; for whatever the reason, Shoppach has never been the player the Rays were hoping for when they acquired him.
So what should the Rays do? Shoppach is under contract through the remainder of this season ($3 million salary), but then the Rays have a club option on him, which they'll almost certainly decline. Should the Rays release Shoppach and call up someone from the minors? The obvious choice for a call-up is Jose Lobaton, who is a good defensive catcher and has crushed the ball this season. Do the Rays put Shopp on the DL for a bit, giving themselves a trial period to see how Lobaton does? Or do they stick with Shoppach, trusting that he's bound to regress somewhat going forward? I mean, he certainly can't get much worse.
I can't really say that I have an answer to all these questions: what do you guys think? Shoppach did post a .366 wOBA against left-handed pitchers last season, so I can't help but believe he'll turn it around this season if given time. But if the Rays aren't likely to bring him back next season anyway, should we bother waiting? I could go either way, but I would really like to see Lobaton get a chance in the majors sometime this season.
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Bring up Lobaton
Release shoppach. Bring up Lobaton. He can’t be any worse.
My understanding is that shoppach lost some weight and people around the club felt like he was going to have a good start. Never happened. Can’t hit. Can’t field. Needs more playing time? c’mon. seriously. blame it on something else.
Was looking forward to see him play this year because of his alleged nagging injuries last year
I dont want to see him play anymore.
Shoppach
I looked up his 2010 splits in the offseason (after the team acquired Chirinos, actually), and was fairly shocked to see that he’d hit .261/.375/.455 versus lefties last year. It was a classic case of being sobered by data and misled by perceptions (since Shoppach looked mostly horrible for most of last year).
This year, he’s got the same huge split — only its a .337 OPS versus righties (where he’s gotten a ridiculous 47 plate appearances) and, as you mentioned, a .612 OPS against lefties. Regardless of what you think he might do versus lefties going forward, I think it’s hard to conclude that Shoppach is anything other than done versus righthanders.
Now, the team probably has somewhere on the close order of 150-200 PAs to distribute to its backup catcher from this point forward, split 50-50 between lefties and righties. So even if you think Shoppach is going to play up to something like his 2010 level versus righties, we’re talking about 100 PA at a ~.800 OPS and 100 PA of complete and utter suck, which would average out to a ~.600 OPS or so.
So the question is: can the team “replace” 200 PA of a .600 OPS (and mind you, that’s about the best-case Shoppach scenario). Well, they’re probably not going to acquire a backup via trade — even if Jake Fox has some superficial appeal — so you’re talking about promoting Lobaton. Could Lobaton hit worse than a .600 OPS, say .225/.300/.300? It’s possible, I suppose. I think even if he did, it would be worth it for the team to get an extended look at him to see if he’s a viable in-house solution at backup C in 2012.
tl; dr version: Yeah, what do we have to lose? I say we send Shoppach to the Giants — don’t expect anything in return — and try not to be frustrated when Shoppach hits .325/.400/.525 for the rest of the season.
I was a big supporter of Shop, noting his '08 season and wondering how he'd do
coming to camp without off or in season surgeries to deal with
I’m done with him now. As for me i’d like to see both our catchers replaced by the AAA guys but realize that won’t happen all at once. Gor now bring up Sanchie, he deserves it and seems like the more accomplished catcher
follow me on twitter @sternfan10
Agreed, and if they're worried about his hand being dinged then I'm fine with
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@SandyKazmir
Yes I've only been a fan since 2009.
by blackraven on May 5, 2011 3:46 PM EDT
by Sandy Kazmir on Jun 9, 2011 12:45 PM EDT up reply actions
This is really a "conundrum"?
Shitpack hasn’t done anything since he’s been a Ray. Time to forget about the coulda, shoulda, woulda and be done with him already. Like a month ago.
Lobaton’s earned a chance to get some MLB PT. And Chirinos is breathing down his neck. If we are not going to keep Shitpack anyways, then let’s take a look at what we have in AAA so we know if we need to address this position in FA/trade for next season.
by raysfaninminnesota on Jun 9, 2011 1:58 PM EDT reply actions
Still say we should trade for Doumit when he returns from the DL
by raysfaninminnesota on Jun 9, 2011 1:59 PM EDT reply actions
depends on how much salary they pick up
by raysfaninminnesota on Jun 9, 2011 3:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Prospects, Cash, or Gas
No one rides for free.
If they pick up cash it will just get more expensive in what we’d have to give up.
by GomesSweetGomes on Jun 9, 2011 4:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Here are my questions.
For his career, Shoppach has hit .277/.373/.534 vs. lefties in 414 PAs.
Last year, in 104 PAs, he hit .261/.375/.455 vs. lefties.
From 2006-2009, over 254 PAs, his OPS was never below .949 and twice was over 1.000 vs. lefties.
This year, in 52 PAs his line vs. lefties is .217/.308/.304.
Are any of these stats relevant to the decision about his role on the Rays? Which is/are the most important in making that decision?
I am among those frustrated by Shoppach and ready to try Lobaton or even Chirinos. But I hesitate just a bit, wondering if 52 PAs this season are sufficient to indicate he is no longer useful against lefties. Perhaps. Last year was his poorest performance vs. them. He is now 31 and is not svelte. He certainly does not look as if he can hit anybody. 414 PAs does not make for conclusive evidence either. Still, 7/8 of his history suggests he is very good vs. lefties and only the last 1/8 suggests he is terrible.
Since there are fewer lefties and more righties that crush them I am far less concerned about having a "lefty masher" like Shopp or Kapler in the past
Heck, Ruggiano might be a lefty masher and Roddy is already there. I’m far more concerned about getting a guy that’s an upgrade defensively and can’t be anywhere near as bad with the bat. I hope Lobaton is that guy, but if he’s not there are others that can be brought up to do the job. I guess I’m ready to ride the carousel and see where she takes me rather than continue to watch this shitshow.
@SandyKazmir
Yes I've only been a fan since 2009.
by blackraven on May 5, 2011 3:46 PM EDT
by Sandy Kazmir on Jun 10, 2011 9:17 AM EDT up reply actions
minorleaguesplits is down
But I seem to recall from looking in the past that Ruggiano had no appreciable splits
by AndrewTorrez on Jun 10, 2011 11:04 AM EDT up reply actions
Draw your own conclusions as he's kind of all over the place
http://mlsplits.drivelinebaseball.com/mlsplits/playerinfo/448605
Plus if you are any good at Excel I’d highly recommend wading in the data that MLS still hosts:
http://minorleaguesplits.com/x_milb/
The various files for each year are at the bottom and you have to use the players ID to find what his number tag is.
@SandyKazmir
Yes I've only been a fan since 2009.
by blackraven on May 5, 2011 3:46 PM EDT
by Sandy Kazmir on Jun 10, 2011 2:52 PM EDT up reply actions
























