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Minor League Update 7/19

Dane De La Rosa has gone from Indy ball to the 40-man roster via paulsrandomstuff.files.wordpress.com

It's been a while since we've done one of these, but here's an update featuring one player from each of the minor league affiliates through Princeton:

Dane De La Rosa, RHP, Durham Bulls: Between call-ups, injuries, and opt-outs, the Bulls roster has been shuffled on what seems like a daily basis. With Brandon Gomes and Jake McGee each with the big-league club, the closing duties will likely be handed to De La Rosa, the 6-7/245 righty plucked out of independent ball last season. He was a surprising addition to the 40-man roster in the off-season since he had last pitched in affiliated ball in 2007 and barely got out of short-season ball.

Last year with the Biscuits, De La Rosa struck out over a batter per inning and posted an ERA under 2.00. He's mainted the strikeouts with the Bulls -- whiffing 49 in 45.2 innings -- but his walk and home run numbers have jumped up resulting in ERA just under 4.00. He issued 26 walks in 76 innings last season but is already at 21 this year. He's also allowed twice as many home runs (six in 2011) in the 30 fewer innings. There's a reason he got put on the 40-man, though, with a powerful fastball to match his big frame. He could be next in line for a call-up, possibly replacing the recently-demoted Alex Torres. I'd at least expect to see him as a September call-up, and if the Rays have fallen out of it, he'll get a chance to pitch in some tight spots as an audition for a middle-relief role in 2012.

Star-divide

Tim Beckham, SS, Montgomery Biscuits: After a very strong month of May, Beckham cooled off midway through June and his numbers aren't too different from last year's, though even maintaining that sort of production as a 21-year-old in double-A is worth noting. I predict the comments section will turn into a Beckham debate, so I'll get it started. First, the good: His power is up, having already matched last year's home run total. The reports on his defense have improved, and while he's not a flashy or even above-average defender, he's acceptable and the talk of him having to move off has cooled.

Now the not-so-good: His BB% has dropped from 11.5 to 8.4. That's been accompanied by a similar drop in his K% (22 to 19). According to StatCorner, the strikeout drop is almost entirely due to looking strikeouts. His kS% is down just 0.3 while his kL% has dropped from 7.4 to 4.6. So in other words, with fewer walks and looking strikeouts, he's simply being more aggressive, and the rise in batting average is due to putting more balls in play (in fact, his BABIP is an identical-to-2010 .333). This isn't necessarily a bad thing, though you'd like to see it translate to more power (his SLG is still under .400) and it explains why his BA is up .022 but his OBP is down .006 from last year.

Basically, it comes down to expectations. He's not a bust because the offensive bar for shortstops is set really low. Consider that Reid Brignac's BA/OBP as a 21-year-old with Montgomery were .260/.328. So Beckham is outperforming that. As he's still quite young there's always the chance he has a breakout, but currently the ceiling looks like an average SS. And that's fine, but considering he was he #1 pick (and like it or not, he's always going to be viewed through that lens), I think it's far to call that a bit of a disappointment.

Scott Shuman, RHP, Charlotte Stone Crabs: Shuman was one of my pet prospects entering the year. I predicted that he would rise through the system, finish the year in Durham's bullpen and be in serious consideration for a 2012 bullpen spot. After striking out nearly 14 per 9 innings last year, he's down to a still-good 10.3. Wait... 10.3 is his *walk* rate. Um, oops. It's true, in 35.2 innings, Shuman has walked 41 hitters, hit four more, and uncorked seven wild pitches. He was teetering on the edge of acceptable control with 40 free passes in 74 innings in 2010, but that's just completely fallen apart. His fastball/slider combo is legit plus stuff -- he's struck out 63 -- but that doesn't mean a thing if you're walking hitters at a Neighborgallian pace.

Shuman is still listed on Charlotte's active roster, but he hasn't pitched since walking four of the six batters he faced in an appearance on July 1. He doesn't seem to be hurt so I'm guessing he's working side sessions with a new pitching motion, arm slot, grip, or anything else that might help him throw strikes. He doesn't exactly have a track record of doing it, dating back to his Auburn days, but the stuff is so, so tantalizing.

Enny Romero, LHP, Bowling Green: Just a quick note here, but they seem to be limiting his innings as he's gone three and two innings in his last two starts. His strikeouts are still healthy (93 in 78.2 innings) and he showed better control in June, walking nine in 29 innings. He pitched 74 innings with Princeton last season, so the Rays will try to have him top out somewhere between 100-110 this year.

Jeff Malm, 1B, Hudson Valley Renegades: While fellow 2009 bonus babies Luke Bailey and Todd Glaesmann were assigned to Bowling Green, fifth-rounder Malm was held back in extended spring training and then assigned to short-season Hudson Valley. Whatever Malm did in XST seems to have worked, as he's hitting .301/.454/.581 through 27 games after a .606 OPS last season with Princeton. He's blasted seven home runs and is walking almost as much as he's striking out while Bailey and Glaesmann scuffle in Bowling Green. One wrinkle to his OBP: He's been hit by EIGHT pitches already this season. I don't know if this is a repeatable skill a la Craig Biggio or Chase Utley or what, but it's worth keeping an eye on. He was only hit five times all of last year, but perhaps he's standing closer to the plate this year. It's not like Hudson Valley as a team is getting hit a ton, they're actually tied for third-fewest as a team in the NY-PL. It was disappointing when he wasn't assigned to a full-season team, but keep in mind that 2011 would've been Malm's sophomore season at college. Typically, highly-drafted college players will play at low-A, so if Malm is there next year he's not terribly behind schedule.

Justin O'Conner, C, Princeton Rays: He's currently striking out in 37.9% of his ABs, which is just unacceptable. From drafts 2000-2006, the only player to strike out at a higher rate in their debut or first "full" season is Cody Johnson, who is an absolutely windmill. O'Conner has some power but it's not going to matter at all if he can't make more contact. Josh Sale isn't exactly lighting it up with Princeton but his 15.6% strikeout rate isn't even half of what O'Conner's is. O'Conner has some big tools but he simply needs to cut down on the swing and miss.

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I hope so

A-rod's salary? 30 Million, Evan Longoria's? 1M, god i love life as a rays fan

by RaysOfHope on Jul 19, 2011 10:49 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

i have a ray of hope he might

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by DeadeyeRR on Jul 19, 2011 12:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Doubt it.

It is just something the Rays don’t do.

by mr. maniac on Jul 19, 2011 12:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ive had this screen name before 2008 season

Been a fan of the rays since 2002. Been hooked ever since

A-rod's salary? 30 Million, Evan Longoria's? 1M, god i love life as a rays fan

by RaysOfHope on Jul 19, 2011 1:22 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Go Rays!

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by Jonah Keri on Jun 19, 2010 10:31 PM EDT

by Doug09 on Jul 19, 2011 1:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

No worries

If you want to keep guns out of the hands of thugs, just attach job applications to them

by DeadeyeRR on Jul 19, 2011 1:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Good stuff.

Agreed on the Bex front except about an average starter at SS being a disappointment. Are people still calling for Pedro Alvarez?

Malm’s success is huge. If he can keep it up we could finally have a legit power prospect in the system. Aside from Bex, there isn’t a prospect I want to see succeed more at this point. If we could get a Howard/Fielder/Teix/etc. out of him it would be HUGE for our ability to compete. We will never be able to go out and get one of those guys on the FA market.

by rglass44 on Jul 19, 2011 10:19 AM EDT reply actions  

CJ Riefenhauser:

Another great start last night. Anyone have a decent scouting report on him? From what I’ve heard it seems like people are writing him off as a potential LOOGY, but he just keeps pitching great. Striking out a fourth of batters he faces puts him in good company (Romero is at 26.7%, and he’s at 24.9%), and he’s really limiting the walks.

by rglass44 on Jul 19, 2011 10:31 AM EDT reply actions  

This guy could get really good.

being a cold weather high upside guy. When he gets to Charlotte i’ll get to look at him but i’m not sure past scouting reports will hold true with this one.

by Peter Piontek on Jul 19, 2011 10:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

I was able to ask diamontom about him.

HIgh 80s to low 90s fastball, good command, excellent pitchability, solid to good offspeed pitches.

by mr. maniac on Jul 19, 2011 11:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

First of all, thanks for this

Now I have a question, well it’s more of other peoples opinion. Will Lee affect Beckham? I know Timmy has slowed down but Lee hasn’t, do they promote Beckham so they can promote Lee? Or, this one I don’t see, do they move Beckham to 2B and call up Lee?

Under construction

by joeybw on Jul 19, 2011 12:13 PM EDT reply actions  

Also

De La Rosa gets his chance tonight, maybe this one will actually stay more than a day

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by joeybw on Jul 19, 2011 12:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

He has been called up?

A-rod's salary? 30 Million, Evan Longoria's? 1M, god i love life as a rays fan

by RaysOfHope on Jul 19, 2011 12:29 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

I'd give it 95%

Few people over at twitter including his sister who said “so excited my brother makes his first pitch in the big leagues against the Yankees tomorrow”, her last name was De La Rosa and all. And it’s also a educated guess of who else would we bring up? Don’t say Sonny please.

Under construction

by joeybw on Jul 19, 2011 12:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

I was thinking delaney had a chance to come back

A-rod's salary? 30 Million, Evan Longoria's? 1M, god i love life as a rays fan

by RaysOfHope on Jul 19, 2011 12:37 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Well maybe

He would have to be put back on the 40 man and I remember his last outing, so do the Rays, so sick of new guys coming in walking people. Let’s see if De La Rosa can find the strike zone.

Under construction

by joeybw on Jul 19, 2011 12:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ya I hope de la rosa can be good

We need some more relievers

A-rod's salary? 30 Million, Evan Longoria's? 1M, god i love life as a rays fan

by RaysOfHope on Jul 19, 2011 12:41 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

I was thinking delaney had a chance to come back

A-rod's salary? 30 Million, Evan Longoria's? 1M, god i love life as a rays fan

by RaysOfHope on Jul 19, 2011 12:37 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

I think they'll continue to be aggressive with Bex.

The jump from AA to AAA isn’t near as tough as high A to AA, so I’d be surprised if Lee has any effect on Bex at all for where they both start in 2012. The bigger question, in my eyes, is 2013. If Lee plays extremely well again in AA, and Bex merely “holds serve” again in AAA what do you do? Lee will be due for a jump, but you may not feel comfortable with Bex playing in the bigs yet. That’s when positional changes or trades may be due. Then again Lee may scuttle at AA or Beckham may improve in AAA and force himself on to the big league roster. Brignac’s play this year, what we do at SS over the offseason, and what the SS position does next year could also play a big role as well.

by rglass44 on Jul 19, 2011 12:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

I have Beckham penciled in as the SS in late 2012.

And honestly, why not? Unless they think the bat will become great, there is no point in holding him in AAA for that long. Plus, Brignac sucks.

by mr. maniac on Jul 19, 2011 12:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

This going to be the debate in the rotation too

Niemann, Davis, Cobb, Torres all have reasonable rotation claims but Matt Moore is going to have to kick someone out. You can’t have average talent blocking special talent.

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by Imperialism32 on Jul 19, 2011 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Torres can stay in AAA again.

Moore can stay there all of next year. Niemann can be traded and Cobb can take his spot.

by mr. maniac on Jul 19, 2011 12:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

All of next year? Are you kidding?

1.5 seasons at AAA for a guy that good is ridiculous

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by Imperialism32 on Jul 19, 2011 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

One way or another I believe beckham will have to move for lee

Lee is our future at ss, beckham might end up at 2nd. But I see zobrist at 2nd for the rest of his contract

A-rod's salary? 30 Million, Evan Longoria's? 1M, god i love life as a rays fan

by RaysOfHope on Jul 19, 2011 12:34 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

I really hope they make it a point to teach Zorilla 1B over the winter.

Or Joyce. I just don’t see Kotchman being a long term option. Maybe Pena will come back very cheap next year. By Cheap i mean 5M a year.

by Peter Piontek on Jul 19, 2011 12:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Eh, wouldn't be too concerned

Zo learning 1B was talked about so much this Spring and he hasn’t played an inning there. He hardly played any in the Spring even.

Under construction

by joeybw on Jul 19, 2011 12:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

I would love zobrist at 1st

A-rod's salary? 30 Million, Evan Longoria's? 1M, god i love life as a rays fan

by RaysOfHope on Jul 19, 2011 1:19 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

I wouldnt either

But I want the best players at each position

A-rod's salary? 30 Million, Evan Longoria's? 1M, god i love life as a rays fan

by RaysOfHope on Jul 19, 2011 1:34 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

But is he the best player at the spot?

If he goes to 1B, then S-rod takes over 2B. By filling a small weakness you are creating a hole. Don’t expect srod to all of a sudden figure it out agaisnt righties.

by mr. maniac on Jul 19, 2011 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'd give Joyce a 1B mitt on the last day of the season and tell him to get good with it

He might be an average or better fielder, but 1B would take less of a toll on his body and I’d rather have a defensive specialist in a corner OF spot than 1B

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by Sandy Kazmir on Jul 19, 2011 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Joyce learning 1B would be ideal

unfortunately neither Rodriguez or Brignac wants to take over as an everyday player so Zobrist appears to be set at 2B next year unless we make a trade.

by Dbullsfan on Jul 19, 2011 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

I still think Lee is the one that move

he reminds me of BJ at SS a bit (without all the errors). I think his game translates more to CF and it would be better to move him there and have DD and Beckham work the middle of the infield.

by Dbullsfan on Jul 19, 2011 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

yea but not as many as BJ had

although BJ’s range probably played into some of those errors. I don’t trust minor league score keepers to understand that a guy who can field a ball behind 3rd base doesn’t mean if he doesn’t make a perfect throw its not an error.

by Dbullsfan on Jul 19, 2011 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree...

I blame the previous regime for BJ’s retarded development

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Boom. Outta Here.

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by Ryan Gilliss on Jul 19, 2011 4:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Most frustrating thing of all the things they did in my eyes.

Imagine if he was just entering arb. as a SS with an .800+ OPS. sigh….

by rglass44 on Jul 19, 2011 4:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Crawford & BJ came up @ 20 & 19

Imagine with their talents if they could’ve had a little more development time to work on things like defense & hitting.

PIZZA?!?

by Transplanted on Jul 19, 2011 5:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

And if we had gotten more of their peaks.

I know everyone here is mad about the way $tinky $tu keeps the guys down on the farm, but the way we do it now is >>>>> the way the old regime handled prospects.

by rglass44 on Jul 19, 2011 5:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Agree.

Still, Jennings is over 1,000 AAA PA’s at this point. Get his ass up here as soon as he’s healthy.

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by Suttree on Jul 19, 2011 5:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

The old regime basically lucked their way into good players

Basically, outside of Shields, every pitching prospect pre-Friedman was a disaster. You could make the case they almost screwed him up too.

PIZZA?!?

by Transplanted on Jul 19, 2011 5:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

And in fact, De La Rosa has been called up

Congrats the newest new guy, throw strikes.

Under construction

by joeybw on Jul 19, 2011 12:57 PM EDT reply actions  

Don't get the loss or we'll send you down

We’re on a two-game streak of doing that

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by Imperialism32 on Jul 19, 2011 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

How many options does he have?

I hope he sticks

A-rod's salary? 30 Million, Evan Longoria's? 1M, god i love life as a rays fan

by RaysOfHope on Jul 19, 2011 1:21 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

He should have all 3

He was just added to the 40 man in the offseason and has never been called up.

Under construction

by joeybw on Jul 19, 2011 1:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

How long you think he will be up here?

Until cruz is back?

A-rod's salary? 30 Million, Evan Longoria's? 1M, god i love life as a rays fan

by RaysOfHope on Jul 19, 2011 1:25 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

This for sure

If you want to keep guns out of the hands of thugs, just attach job applications to them

by DeadeyeRR on Jul 19, 2011 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yup.

They might not have even wanted to use him after Cobb went 6.

by mr. maniac on Jul 19, 2011 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

yea Maddon said after the game Torres was going back down regardless

and actually said that the strike zone was pretty tight and he thought Torres pitched well.

by Dbullsfan on Jul 19, 2011 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes, loved it

@SandyKazmir

Sometimes you eat the bear...

by Sandy Kazmir on Jul 19, 2011 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Fleming and paduch up to AAA

montgomery only has 3 starters, so perhaps thompson and kelly will move up, also wouldnt be surprised to see satow move up as well.

I love fleming’s arm, I think he could be a shutdown reliever.

A-rod's salary? 30 Million, Evan Longoria's? 1M, god i love life as a rays fan

by RaysOfHope on Jul 19, 2011 2:34 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

This has been a nice little 24 hrs.

Maybe these losses have finally awakened AF to the state of the team.

by BenZorbist on Jul 19, 2011 2:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

All these moves

Every single one that is made makes you wonder what they are really thinking about Jennings. I mean seriously…

Under construction

by joeybw on Jul 19, 2011 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

He just came back from an injury

Maybe he is up after this series

A-rod's salary? 30 Million, Evan Longoria's? 1M, god i love life as a rays fan

by RaysOfHope on Jul 19, 2011 2:48 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

I want riefenhauser up as well

Colome to AA would be nice

A-rod's salary? 30 Million, Evan Longoria's? 1M, god i love life as a rays fan

by RaysOfHope on Jul 19, 2011 2:50 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Sale to Tampa

new strategy. Call everybody up.

It does piss me off AF waited til it was too late to turn to the kids in AAA.

by BenZorbist on Jul 19, 2011 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

He has been pretty good lately

A-rod's salary? 30 Million, Evan Longoria's? 1M, god i love life as a rays fan

by RaysOfHope on Jul 19, 2011 2:54 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Results belly issues with process.

His FIP on the year is essentially equal to Archer’s. Their K/BB numbers are almost identical, but Archer has been more “hitable.” Who’s clamoring for an Archer promotion?

by rglass44 on Jul 19, 2011 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think archer gets moved up to AAA next year

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by RaysOfHope on Jul 19, 2011 3:15 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

I wouldn't mind Archer moving up

I’ve said all along I thought he’d get moved up before Moore, didn’t Archer spend some time in AA last year.

by Dbullsfan on Jul 19, 2011 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

What is this "Trade" that you speak of?

If you want to keep guns out of the hands of thugs, just attach job applications to them

by DeadeyeRR on Jul 19, 2011 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

I see them moving relievers

there is your trade. Filler upon filler.

I’m not even for trading Beej anymore. Norris has slumped lately.

by BenZorbist on Jul 19, 2011 2:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

With Torres showing some good signs out of the pen last night and Mcgee looking better as well

does anyone think JP has any trade value at all? Seems unnecessary to have all 3 in the pen, much less 4 if you think Ramos is worth a toilet to shit in.

by Dbullsfan on Jul 19, 2011 2:53 PM EDT reply actions  

JP has no value, he is just not returning to form at all

And Ramos it’s 1 good outing, 2 bad outings, been that way most of the season.

Under construction

by joeybw on Jul 19, 2011 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

I dont think he has much

A-rod's salary? 30 Million, Evan Longoria's? 1M, god i love life as a rays fan

by RaysOfHope on Jul 19, 2011 2:56 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Longoria focusing on baseball once again, I'm glad he isn't focusing too hard on the most important part of the season right now

The United States Women’s Soccer team suffered a crushing defeat this weekend at the World Cup. But don’t worry, Evan Longoria would like to provide a shoulder to cry on.

Earlier today, Longoria sent out this tweet to Alex Morgan…

    @alexmorgan13 the TB Rays want to have you USA soccer girls out to throw out first pitches and chill at a game!

Morgan is one of the stars of the national team. And by star, we mean she is young, attractive, and likes to wear pink sports bras underneath her see-though jersey. Oh, and she has a lethal foot.

Still, it is awfully patriotic of Longo to reach out to Morgan in this time of need. Let’s see if she takes him up on his offer.

by Dbullsfan on Jul 19, 2011 3:02 PM EDT reply actions  

"Let's do it"

alexmorgan13 Alex Morgan
“@Evan3Longoria: @alexmorgan13 the TB Rays want to have you USAsoccer girls out to throw out first pitches and chill at a game!”-lets do it!

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by Jonah Keri on Jun 19, 2010 10:31 PM EDT

by Doug09 on Jul 19, 2011 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

Lets do it in the dugout lol

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by RaysOfHope on Jul 19, 2011 4:04 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

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