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I’m back for one night only, filling in as a favor to Steve, who is off being a good person. And no, I don't know why my avatar is a Red Sox logo, but it wouldn't change back earlier, so whatever.

You can’t predict what will happen within a single game, series, or week of baseball games. Last night, the Rays walked once and failed to score, despite being given 48 outs. Tonight, the Rays were on the board before registering an out, and walked six times before the Yankees starter, the volatile A.J. Burnett, was removed after 5 1/3 innings pitched. The unpredictably extends to Alex Cobb too, who had walked more than three batters only twice in his previous 47 appearances, yet walked four tonight.

Most of the action came in the final frame, but for the purposes of chronological order, I’ll start with Cobb. He lacked his best fastball control tonight and it showed in the walk total. Still, Cobb managed six innings and two runs against one of the best lineups in the league. He walked more than he struck out and that’s generally a poor idea, but when you generate more than 70 percent groundballs in front of the league’s best defense, sometimes you can escape with minimal harm.

Cobb’s performance is bit of a letdown after Jeff Niemann’s masterpiece, but it’s hard to have too many gripes. For that reason, I’ll stop here about him.

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Speaking of that defense, the Rays entered the day with a Park-Adjusted Defensive Efficiency of 3.91—meaning this: the Rays defense turns 3.91 percent more of the balls in play into outs than the league-average defense would given the same park. The second-best team in the league is Seattle … at 1.79. This defense doesn’t just catch liners, it also catches flyballs and scoops grounders—and does so better than any team in baseball, more than twice over.

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Star-divide

 

Now then, let’s just jump to the last few innings. Entering the game, Joe Maddon had limited bullpen options. Juan Cruz is on the disabled list and had thrown in three-straight games anyways, Brandon Gomes threw 48 pitches last night and 61 over the last two games leaving him unavailable, Adam Russell is on his way to the waiver wire, J.P. Howell threw 25 pitches last night, and Jake McGee had thrown 25 over the last three games. That left Kyle Farnsworth, Joel Peralta, Cesar Ramos, and Alex Torres remaining.

Maddon got his six innings from Cobb and had to split up the four remaining relievers in a way that maximized the likelihood of a Rays win. He decided Peralta in the seventh, Ramos in the seventh or eighth, then Farnsworth for the eighth and ninth should get it done, and most of the time it probably does. Peralta and Ramos got through the seventh without allowing a run to score, but Ramos put two on with nobody out in the eighth before getting Andruw Jones to fly out, in came Farnsworth.

Russ Martin hit a ball on the ground to left field that Sam Fuld got in quickly, as he is wont to do, even though the momentum of the throw took Fuld tumbling head over heels. With the bases loaded and one out Farnsworth got another groundball, another that got through, thus scoring a run. With the tying run 90 feet, Farnsworth again got a groundball, but this time one that was fielded by Elliot Johnson. A toss to Sean Rodriguez and a successful throw to Casey Kotchman would end the threat. Alas, Brett Gardner executed a beautiful takeout slide on Rodriguez, leaving him without the firm standing required to deliver the final relay of the double play. Just like that, tied game.

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The offense went quietly in the bottom of the eighth and Maddon had to make a choice. Roll out Farnsworth, with 35 high-leverage pitches under his belt these last two days, or turn to Torres. He decided to give the rookie his first major league appearance. The book on Torres is that everything he throws moves, but even he is incapable of harnessing that gift from the baseball gods at this point in his career.

Torres struggled with his control. He walked three batters, two unintentionally, he walked in the go-ahead run, and it took him 44 pitches to get three outs—the other Rays relievers on the night threw 48 pitches and got six outs. It wasn’t pretty, it wasn’t efficient, it wasn’t optimal, but what exactly do you expect given the marathon game not even 24 hours ago and the depleted state of the bullpen?

It’s a rough beginning to Torres’ big league career, but it’s just the beginning. Nobody really gave a flip about what Jake McGee did in his big league debut against the Yankees when he blew some high-90s heat by Adrian Gonzalez on Saturday and in time nobody will care about this outing from Torres either. He threw some real live stuff and showed the confidence to throw each of his pitches in various situations—he threw a different offering on the first-pitch to each of the first three batters he faced. Judging him based on one appearance, an admittedly poor one, is being too harsh. Torres has a big league future, even if his present form requires more time in Durham.

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The offense is something of an afterthought at this point, but B.J. Upton had an awful night. He failed to reach in five trips to the plate and struck out thrice. He also flew out with the bases loaded and hit into a double play with runners on the corners and nobody out. Given the state of this lineup, without it’s second-best hitter in Matt Joyce, the Rays just can’t afford to waste too many opportunities.

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Oh, Robinson Chirinos made his debut too and drove a ball to deep center on the first pitch he saw. Defensively, Chirinos was unable to throw out any runners, however some of that blame goes towards Cobb as well. I didn’t measure his pop times or anything, but he looked mostly like a big league catcher tonight, which is a compliment given his situation. I look forward to seeing more of him.

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So the Rays are now further back, and have suffered three-straight losses to the Red Sox and Yankees, thus putting everyone in emo mode. Look, this is a good team relative to the rest of the league. It really is one of the top-five teams in the American League, but the Red Sox are the best team in baseball and it’s not even that close. The Yankees aren’t on the Red Sox' level either, but they’re better than the Rays.

Entering this season, the Rays were going to need some breaks to go their way and against the Yankees and Red Sox, and yet, look at the lineup tonight. Two of those players passed through waivers within the last year and a half, one came on a minor league deal, Evan Longoria is nursing a foot injury, and Joyce is out with a knee injury. Rosters are in constant transition and right now the roster isn’t as good as it can be—as it will be—sooner than later. Desmond Jennings and Brandon Guyer will help, but they aren’t necessarily going to make up the difference by themselves this season.

Not to wave the white flag, but have some perspective here: The Rays are losing because they aren’t as good as these two teams and some breaks are going against them. The face of a season’s death is staring back now because of these last few games, but it was always present—the Rays just managed to keep it away for longer than anyone should have expected, given the circumstances. The best part about this season is that the Rays will probably win 85-to-88 games—and absolutely nobody will be pleased.  

Now, hopefully you'll be pleased with this recap. Enjoy the rest of the season and remember that this is supposed to be fun.

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Sign lady must die.
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by EminenceFront on Jul 19, 2011 12:34 AM EDT reply actions  

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by sternfan1 on Sep 3, 2010 12:12 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs

by wtbudlight on Jul 19, 2011 8:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

"LHP Alex Torres was sent back to Triple-A after tonight's game and the Rays will add another pitcher for Tuesday's game."

Another pitcher coming up

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by Jonah Keri on Jun 19, 2010 10:31 PM EDT

by Doug09 on Jul 19, 2011 12:37 AM EDT reply actions  

Dane De La Rosa...come on down.

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by Tommy Rancel on Jul 19, 2011 12:42 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

zzzzzzzz

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by Jonah Keri on Jun 19, 2010 10:31 PM EDT

by Doug09 on Jul 19, 2011 12:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

Um only certain people are allowed to post on the front page.

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by Tommy Rancel on Jul 19, 2011 12:41 AM EDT via mobile reply actions  

This dude looks pretty familiar
MLB MLB This really is a video of a Rays fan with hipster glasses trying to steal Mark Teixeira’s glove … http://atmlb.com/nBLXo1

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by blackraven on Jul 19, 2011 12:50 AM EDT reply actions  

The gravitational pull of the cow in a Yankees jersey to his right was too much to overcome.

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by Jonah Keri on Jun 19, 2010 10:31 PM EDT

by Doug09 on Jul 19, 2011 12:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

_

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by Jonah Keri on Jun 19, 2010 10:31 PM EDT

by Doug09 on Jul 19, 2011 1:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

Real talk: props on the effort. Ronde Barber could learn a lot from you

The caller said the boy, after removing the bulb from its socket, left the building and threw the bulb on the ground. When the bulb broke, the caller said the boy screamed "ooooown u poop"

by Top Gun Numba 1 on Jul 19, 2011 1:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

Thanks.

I wish I was a little bit taller.. I wish I was a balla..

I do this for free

by SRQman on Jul 19, 2011 1:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

thanks buddy

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by SRQman on Jul 19, 2011 9:16 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Nice job

You should have punched the yankee fucks for sitting in the front row

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by DeadeyeRR on Jul 19, 2011 9:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

blame banks and a local company

Their seats

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by SRQman on Jul 19, 2011 9:28 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

I was so pissed when I saw the Yankee turd get out of tex's way

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by DeadeyeRR on Jul 19, 2011 9:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

bank is a suntrust

Company I forget but can check. Construction Iirc

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by SRQman on Jul 19, 2011 9:43 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Thanks.... If you could find out, I'd appreciate it

And excellent effort btw…. at least someone was trying to help theRays

by td32 on Jul 19, 2011 9:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

Looks like Suntrust is 'bout to be put on blast on talk radio for having Yankee fans in their seats.

where are my gifs? is this a new thread? you guys are litl fucking sluts. uck you guys. i bet you guys tmpons in the womines bathromms and pay 75 cents for each ne. fuck you

by daveh33 on Sep 3, 2010 11:09 PM EDT reply actions

by PriceMultiCyYoungs on Jul 19, 2011 11:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

We shouldve put the game away early

A-rod's salary? 30 Million, Evan Longoria's? 1M, god i love life as a rays fan

by RaysOfHope on Jul 19, 2011 12:53 AM EDT via mobile reply actions  

As bad as he looked, Torres is a part of our future and he should of stayed up

Just like Jennings and Guyer should be here and McGee, Gomes and Chirinos shouldn’t go anywhere. They are all part of the future. I wont get dramatic and say season is over, sell everything but we are taking more and more looks at our future in the bigs, we got Moore up to AAA, just gotta get Jennings up here and we will finally be out of this limbo mode of not having enough to win now and not seeing what the future holds.

I’d like to see a Chirinos/Lobaton platoon because not only do we have a lefty and righty but we got 1 catcher who is above average defensively in Lobaton and one who can be above average with the bat in Chirinos. Time to go now, Jaso and Shop.

One guy I didn’t mention was Alex Cobb. He has to go back down because I don’t want him stuck in the pen and Wade is coming back but Torres, I see the guy as a bullpen arm anyway.

Under construction

by joeybw on Jul 19, 2011 2:07 AM EDT reply actions  

Can't you skip 1 post without a joke?

I was trying to make a serious point for once.

But by the way, unlike everyone else in the area, nice attempt at the foul ball, almost got it.

Under construction

by joeybw on Jul 19, 2011 2:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

Serious.

It’s getting late buddy ;) and thanks.

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by SRQman on Jul 19, 2011 2:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

Not that people will believe me

but I know that it was De La Rosa who is the next guy to get a chance. Twitter released that little secret.

Under construction

by joeybw on Jul 19, 2011 2:34 AM EDT reply actions  

That's interesting

Guyer has gotten 2 calls up and may of made next to nothing.

Under construction

by joeybw on Jul 19, 2011 4:04 AM EDT up reply actions  

$69,420 per game

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by Jonah Keri on Jun 19, 2010 10:31 PM EDT

by Doug09 on Jul 19, 2011 4:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

Just checked, this number is wrong.

It’s actually $4,206.90

Sorry about that.

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by Jonah Keri on Jun 19, 2010 10:31 PM EDT

by Doug09 on Jul 19, 2011 4:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

I keep reading these excuses about how bad the line up is

‘Two players have passed through waivers’ et al. Whose fault is that?

Why hasn’t this team developed an impact player of note since Evan Longoria?

Why haven’t we made any moves to upgrade the offense, since Manny screwed us?

Nothing, no minor trades, no signings of any kind—nothing.

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by sternfan1 on Jul 19, 2011 8:01 AM EDT reply actions  

Answers!!!!

1. No one’s.
2. Future impact players developed from lower draft picks/rounds typically take longer to reach the majors.
3. Like of trades is not equal to lack of exploring trades.
4. Yes.

by Lurch's Lobbyists on Jul 19, 2011 8:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

I didn't read that as an excuse

I read it as ‘Face the facts, we don’t have a good lineup right now’. Which was followed by a line basically saying ‘reinforcements aren’t going to put us over the top either’.

I don’t exactly see how you claim ‘we just aren’t very good’ is an ‘excuse’.

by GomesSweetGomes on Jul 19, 2011 8:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

For all the praise heaped on Friedman, he needs to shoulder the blame

for much of what we see on the field

Brignac, both Johnsons, Fuld, Jaso, Shoppach, Brignac have no place on any team’s 25 man roster, much less for basically an entire season in most cases

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by sternfan1 on Jul 19, 2011 8:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

If I blame him for anything

It is failure to adjust his plan. It is very possible, if not likely that Friedman saw many of the same holes you saw (well based on your optimistic posts I’m not so sure you saw them) in the offseason and decided that this was not the year he was going to address many of these deficiencies. Instead, it appears that this has always been, and will always be a rebuilding year in the minds of the RFO.

by GomesSweetGomes on Jul 19, 2011 8:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

I assume you mean sternbergs latest

In which case, I agree. It seems insincere to slash payroll in the manner they did and simultaneously act shocked when people take a wait and see approach when deciding whether to buy your product.

by GomesSweetGomes on Jul 19, 2011 9:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

Are we really one of the 'top five' teams in the AL?

After last night’s loss we’re now a 500 team v the AL. The way this team is playing, i see a below 500 finish and 4th place

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by sternfan1 on Jul 19, 2011 8:08 AM EDT reply actions  

record-wise we are

and having to play so many games against BOS/NY, we’ve more than “earned” our record. A winning team at this point. Our starting rotation won’t let us dip too far. Just not enough to overtake the two teams in front of us. It is what it is. A lot of fun stuff to watch yet this year. Moore’s progression (this guy will be every bit as good as Clayton Kershaw) in AAA. Desmond Jennings eventual MLB ascent. Robinson Chirinos our next hope (and only hope on the horizon) at C, and hopefully a trade deadline or two that helps Rays for rest of year and more importantly 2012. Goal at this point is to make this offense at least AL average or better for 2012. A major help would be just getting the guys we have healthy, and then trying to add and upgrade from there.

by raysfaninminnesota on Jul 19, 2011 8:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

After this series with NY, i'm guessing the top 2 teams in each

division will have better records than us

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by sternfan1 on Jul 19, 2011 8:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

here's what disrurbs memost. I have been following the game a long time

and with our success the last three years can certainly handle a somewhat down season. As i tweeted last night, the disturbing thing is, i don’t see this team getting past the Red Sox or Yankees for a long time. Unless the CBA brings realignment, economic change, and on Tampa’s part a new stadium, we’re doomed

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by sternfan1 on Jul 19, 2011 8:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

Offensively we didn't lag as far behind

And this bullpen is a complete joke

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by sternfan1 on Jul 19, 2011 8:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

the offense is the problem and there's no quick fix

are Guyer and Jennings really going to be impact bats?

We probably lose Damon and Kotchman from this year’s team. Are their replacements going to put up better numbers?

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by sternfan1 on Jul 19, 2011 9:02 AM EDT up reply actions  

Every bullpen we've had was a "joke" before they pitched.

This year, they just didn’t develop into our spoiled expectations.

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by sternfan1 on Sep 3, 2010 12:12 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs

by wtbudlight on Jul 19, 2011 9:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

No real locations

As you can always expect come from behind victory is when you least expect it.

by Buc Wild on Jul 19, 2011 9:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

Of all the dramatic things I've seen

RJ Anderson is standing in Slowinski’s box.

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by Hatfield on Jul 19, 2011 8:54 AM EDT reply actions  

that was a great video

“I see Roger Clemens. Roger Clemens is standing in George Steinbrenner’s box”

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by sternfan1 on Jul 19, 2011 9:19 AM EDT up reply actions  

Nice recap RJ

“The best part about this season is that the Rays will probably win 85-to-88 games—and absolutely nobody will be pleased.”

That’s about what I expect, and if you take a few steps back it will look pretty impressive given the roster issues the team has faced. I’ll enjoy the season, if maybe not as much as if we had a real chance. But the fact is the Rays could have the 3rd best record in baseball and miss the playoffs in this division. Just life in the fast lane.

Seeing Torres (even with his struggles) was nice. I hope we end up seeing more of him. I still think it would have been better to bring him in in the 7th with a 2 run lead. Oh well, baseball is made for 2nd guessing.

by tampa_edski on Jul 19, 2011 8:57 AM EDT reply actions  

88 games?? ha ha ha

We’re finishing 38-30, sure we are

22 games remaining v BOS and NY—i say 8 or 9 wins—tops

So that means if we go 8-14 v them we’ll need to go 30-16 v the remaining teams to win 88—it ain’t happening

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by sternfan1 on Jul 19, 2011 9:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

Spotted Cow is the greatest beer ever.

This is all I have to say.

where are my gifs? is this a new thread? you guys are litl fucking sluts. uck you guys. i bet you guys tmpons in the womines bathromms and pay 75 cents for each ne. fuck you

by daveh33 on Sep 3, 2010 11:09 PM EDT reply actions

by PriceMultiCyYoungs on Jul 19, 2011 9:01 AM EDT reply actions  

Great read, loved Torres's change or whatever that 86-88 screwbally looking thing was, Cheerios shoulda nabbed one runner, but EJ was too far in front of the bag to get a tag on

At least seeing these guys and learning their game makes it somewhat interesting. After Torres walked in the winning run I just about launched my remote against the wall, but it doesn’t matter anymore. It will be nice to continue to see the young guys contribute. Loved Ruggiano’s double as well. Him and Fuld are essentially the Gabe of the Day Platoon. You’ll see some good things, but if that’s what you’re counting on in a corner outfield position then you’re not making the playoffs. Get Jennings up here after I see him on Wed and Thur. Trade Kotchman or Damon and let Canzler fill that hole.

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by Sandy Kazmir on Jul 19, 2011 9:14 AM EDT reply actions  

man i guess i was watching a different game

i saw a reliever struggling to find the strike zone in the 9th inning of a tie game

a near 50 PC is just what the doctor prescribed

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by sternfan1 on Jul 19, 2011 9:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

By whom?

Gomes?

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by Sandy Kazmir on Jul 19, 2011 9:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

a reliever can't pitch 2 nights in a row?

and not Gomes, who i knew threw 3 IP—way to exaggerate the issue

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by sternfan1 on Jul 19, 2011 9:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

Who else was available in the 9th?

McGee could only even go a third last night because he was gassed. Are you really advocating that they should have brought Gas Can out there exhausted to replace a lefty that had trouble throwing strikes? I’m exaggerating nothing. R33J hit the nail on the head that we had 4 guys to mix and match with and Alexander was the last.

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by Sandy Kazmir on Jul 19, 2011 9:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

yarp

Why losing Sunday made 16 innings even more brutal.

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by SRQman on Jul 19, 2011 9:37 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Yes, but after seeing other guys come up and not be able to induce swinging strikes this was a welcome respite.

Nobody hated the walks more than this guy, but very encouraging to see a pitcher that can make Teix look absolutely silly. It’s not like they hit him around, but the big knock on him as always been control. Hopefully he can dedicate and commit himself to improving that, even marginally would be an upgrade

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by Sandy Kazmir on Jul 19, 2011 9:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

I never made the comp

last night was my first tme seeing him. Thats the comp that was made at the time of trade.

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by FreeZorilla on Jul 19, 2011 12:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

oh ok. lots of people had said that.

when i saw him last spring i thought the same. the change is a pleasant surprise that wasnt evident last spring when i saw him.

by rglass44 on Jul 19, 2011 4:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Breaking News:

Rays hire Les Steckel to help with offensive woes.

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by DeadeyeRR on Jul 19, 2011 9:51 AM EDT reply actions   1 recs

This was good DDRR

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by FreeZorilla on Jul 19, 2011 12:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thanks.

I’ve never been rec’d before. It feels OH so good but I am a little sore.

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by DeadeyeRR on Jul 19, 2011 12:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

I need to become a bigger fan of Process v results

Process never strikes out

Process never walks a batter

process never gets thrown out stealing a base

process always knocks in a run w/RISP

process is my friend

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by sternfan1 on Jul 19, 2011 10:02 AM EDT reply actions  

Lived in CLE over 40 years--thus a fan

Only reason a Yankee fan cause i hate the Red Sox so much, and till ’08 i knew the Yankees were the only ALE team who could beat them

Sorry, you got me as a Rays fan for the balance

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by sternfan1 on Jul 19, 2011 10:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

Wait, I thought you weren't an Indians fan

Already jumping off the wagon……

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by Jason Collette on Jul 19, 2011 10:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

Have got to believe that Rays don't see Jennings or Guyer as impacting the offense much at this point.

The carousel in the rotation and bullpen lately has been all about injury call-ups. Pretty decent chance that guys like Torres, Cobb, McGee were only brought up to spot fill in and not because they were any better than what the Rays already had. In fact, there presence now could be considered showcasing them for trade implications in the next 10 days as much as anything.

On offense though, where the need is legitimately more needed, the FO may not feel that guys like Jennings and Guyer are difference makers right now. Despite what fans may want..bring them up just because the present roster is lacking(Fuld/ Brignac/Rugianno, EJ) and a change is needed, doesn’t mean the FO feels that way. Lobaton/Chirinos again, are only up because of Jaso being hurt. If that is the FO thinking, it may not bode well for their general outlook on the most seemingly ready offensive prospects.

I am sure some of the position prospects will be brought up soon enough…at the dealine, if guys are traded or in September when they always are brought in.

by budman3 on Jul 19, 2011 12:10 PM EDT reply actions  

Perspective is needed here

It should be said it’s a rebuilding year and it’s impressive that the Rays are over .500 with the terrible payroll. Also, AF couldn’t have forseen the decline of Shoppach, Briggy, etc. No one could have expected Longos injury issues.

I’m not going to say it though. It sucks. This team is still good enough to compete. They give games away.

If they could only hit a little they’d be really good.

by BenZorbist on Jul 19, 2011 12:15 PM EDT reply actions  

Basically agree

Although Brignac was a fairly unknown quantity coming in, and Shoppach’s decline has been for the last 2 1/2 seasons.

Considering that slide for KS is close to 1/2 his career plate appearances, I’m not sure if it’s a slide as much as a “regression to the mean”. His performance for the Rays might be below his “true talent level”, but it might be we expected too much from him based on his 2008 stats (0.865 OPS).

Longoria’s injury/bad season is just one of those things that happen in life.

by tampa_edski on Jul 19, 2011 12:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

It was always going to be about 2012, IMO

The hope was they would stay competitive and hang around but it would take major injuries and down years for the Yanks and Sox to go along with that. And those teams have been injured as much as the Rays. The injury bug “catching up” to the Rays seems to be what has doomed them…at least to this point.

by budman3 on Jul 19, 2011 12:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Obviously

what is baffling is the handling of Guyer and DJ. If those guys were up July 1 (and Torrez/cobb, etc) then I think even with the lack of success you’d see people on board. This limbo they are in makes us all crazy.

by BenZorbist on Jul 19, 2011 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

AF(and the FO) needs to decide when they can afford to take another major attendance drop.

Bringing up the most “fan anticipated” prospects, not only is about when they are ready but when the franchise can deal with another drop in attendance figures. There is a good chance that going younger comes with a reduction of the W-L record at the outset. Maybe a big drop considering a winning, competitive team has struggled to boost the turnstiles to management(and baseballs) satisfaction.

But in the long run, a team consisting almost totally of home grown, young, eager, prospects is a product that the fan base can get behind especially with putting butts in the seat. Might it take a season or two of dealing with adversity, a poor record, and struggles in exchange for the "us against the world, little guys loved by the fans, “our team” mentality, to grab hold of the fan base that can grow in numbers and become sustainable for a long period of time. The stadium issue will continue to hang over the franchise and some would say the approach the FO has taken in recent years is exactly what I am suggesting here. I’m not talking about bringing in higher priced stars(that won’t happen here)But there appears to be a disconnect this season on what direction the FO is taking and what the fan base wants to see. The lack of rhyme or reason and the delay in addressing obvious offensive needs is not only frustrating to fans but may also be widening the gap between support and attendance and TV viewership.

Should a FO acquiesce to fan pressure at some point in order to hopefully increase support or continue to follow a plan that, while having been successful in the past, may not be achieving the desired result…winning and increasing attendance and revenue?

by budman3 on Jul 19, 2011 5:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

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