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Canzler Time in Tampa Bay?

It's that time of the year where teams are mostly clearly defined as buyers or sellers and at this point in time the Rays would have to be considered sellers. The Rays have a long list of players that may be moved by the July 31st deadline or at some time during August including Kyle Farnsworth, Jeff Niemann, Joel Peralta, Juan Cruz, Casey Kotchman, Kelly Shoppach, B.J. Upton, and Johnny Damon. The Rays will have an opportunity to take a long look at Desmond Jennings, Brandon Guyer, Robinson Chirinos, and Alex Cobb during the final two months of the season, but should the Rays be getting a look at Russ Canzler over the final two months as well?

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Canzler was drafted by the Chicago Cubs in the 30th round of the 2004 draft and played parts of 7 season in the Cubs minor league system and was signed by the Rays as a minor league free agent in November of 2010. The Rays weren't alone in their pursuit of Canzler as the Florida Marlins, Washington Nationals, Minnesota Twins, and Chicago Cubs were also negotiating for his services. Canzler was sold partly on the number of open positions in AAA Durham and partly that the losses of Carlos Pena and Carl Crawford could accelerate his promotion to the majors. Of course, the fact that he is from Joe Maddon's hometown of Hazelton, PA and played his baseball at Joe Maddon Field may of had something to do with the choice.  Immediately after the signing Canzler told Dave Seamor of the Standard Speaker:

"I know that it sounds like a cliche, but once I step between the white lines, it's my job to perform,'' Canzler said. "If I can take care of my business every day from here on out, I'll get the chance to be seen on a major league field by a major league (coaching) staff and get closer to where I want to be.''

Read more: HERE 

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There are several pros and cons to bringing Canzler to the big leagues.  One obstacle is putting him on the 40 man roster but roster spots may open up based on trades made between now and the trade deadline. Offensively Canzler seems ready to make the jump from Durham to Tampa.  He has played in 91 games for the Bulls and has the second highest OPS in the International League at .903. He has hit .299 with an OBP of .400 (second in IL), a SLG% of .503 (sixth in the IL), and has 12 homers, and 61 RBI (fifth in the IL).  Entering Thursday's games, Fangraphs had Canzler with an ISO of .188, a wOBA of .392, a wRC+ of 145, and a more than respectable walk rate of 14.2%.  Some of these numbers are buoyed by a high strikeout rate of 22.7% and a high BABIP of .372.

The biggest hurdle in calling up Canzler seems to be where to play him? He has played 31 games in the OF (split between LF/RF) and has committed 1 error in 62 chances (.984 fielding%),  40 games at 3b and committed 13 errors in 106 chances (.877 fielding%), and only 15 games at 1b and committed 4 errors in 141 chances (.972 fielding%).  

Canzler, who turned 25 in April, has played 202 games in AA posting an OPS of .862 with a slash line of .276/.362/.500 and has played in 91 games at the AAA level and posted an OPS of .903 with a slash line of .299/.400/.503. After the dust settles from the trade deadline and the Rays find themselves playing out the string, will Canzler get the opportunity to make his major league debut and if so, where will he find most of his playing time?

For those who enjoy baseball the Rays way, check out this video interview with Canzler (here), especially at the 1:17 to 1:42 mark where he talks about the difference between "process" and "results."

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Not convinced he isn't a Kevin Witt AAAA guy

but it’s worth trying

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by Imperialism32 on Jul 22, 2011 2:02 PM EDT reply actions  

Wasnt Witt 36?

I say lets see what he can do for a couple of months

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by RaysOfHope on Jul 22, 2011 2:14 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Won't be worse than what we got from DanJo this year.

I like Canzler a bit and think he can be a decent bench guy in the Majors. Not bad to have but we need to find out if he can handle any MLB pitching first.

by jcmitchell on Jul 22, 2011 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

extrapolate out

to mid-August and not today.

If the Rays go the way of putting guys in to see what they have, should Canzler be one of the guys we look at?

by MrNegative1 on Jul 22, 2011 2:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm not a big Canzler fan

but if we unload Kotchman or Damon without replacing them I wouldn’t be against giving him some PA. It would be truly waiving the white flag though. If you are planning on contender you don’t bring up Canzler to play. I don’t see how Canzler is all that much different than the love affair I had with Anderson last year. Maybe he turns out to be a diamond in the rough but most likely he will never be more than a AAA filler.

by Dbullsfan on Jul 22, 2011 2:28 PM EDT reply actions  

I went over this with MrNeg earlier

1B/DH are positions that are pretty solid among contending teams. So trading either is basically giving them away. Kotchman and Damon have value to the present club way more to the team they’ll be traded to

As for Canzler, he never sees MLB because he doesn’t hit enough to be Big Poppi or field as well as Kotch

If he were a middle inf, he’d have been here in May

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by sternfan1 on Jul 22, 2011 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

I will bet you
As for Canzler, he never sees MLB because he doesn’t hit enough to be Big Poppi or field as well as Kotch

He sees MLB somewhere at sometime in the future.

by MrNegative1 on Jul 22, 2011 2:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

He's younger and has a better approach than Anderson.

I like him as the RH portion of the 1B platoon or a RH bat off the bench.

by rglass44 on Jul 22, 2011 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

brilliant

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by Jason Collette on Jul 22, 2011 4:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

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by Jason Collette on Jul 22, 2011 4:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

This is the single greatest post ever on DRB. Everyone else pack it up and go home.

where are my gifs? is this a new thread? you guys are litl fucking sluts. uck you guys. i bet you guys tmpons in the womines bathromms and pay 75 cents for each ne. fuck you

by daveh33 on Sep 3, 2010 11:09 PM EDT reply actions

by PriceMultiCyYoungs on Jul 22, 2011 6:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

IM CLEANING OUT MY LOCKER

I focus on money my hands touch
If that right there don’t add up
I gotta let you know your math sucks
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You don’t get caught with an ounce of paper
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by 4QB on Jul 22, 2011 7:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Really?

Anderson is 29 and in 488 AAA PA he has a line of .293/.324/.430 OBP-BA tells you he doesn’t walk
Canzler is 25 and in 385 PA in AAA has a line of .299/.400/.503 on the back of a monster year in AA.

I don’t think your comp holds.

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by FreeZorilla on Jul 22, 2011 4:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

finally

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by sternfan1 on Jul 22, 2011 4:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

so this guy can all of a sudden be a good hitter after years of being average

But kotchman was supposed to suck. He had a good year at 24 in aa and has been good in a little over 1/2 year in aaa and he is good.

by Dbullsfan on Jul 22, 2011 5:11 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Relax

I never said Canzler will be an all star. i was giddy bc we got him off the minor lg FA scrap heap and he has the potential to be a big league contributor. That type of stuff excites me.

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by FreeZorilla on Jul 22, 2011 5:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Having watched Canzler a bit on MiLB.tv, I would like to propose he is not a terrible fielder.

I wouldn’t want him in the outfield for any extended time, but at first or third, he’s more than serviceable.

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by BWoodrum on Jul 22, 2011 2:46 PM EDT reply actions  

What is your definition

of a terrible fielder.
At first and thirdbase he has 17 errors in 55 games.
He has surpassed my threshold many times over.

by Landlord on Jul 22, 2011 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

could be either way

Bad arms kill just as many 3B futures as bad range. In the case of Viciedo, it was definitely the range. If a guy has a bat, a team will find a way to put it on the field and many a team, even good ones, have put bad gloves at 1B or a corner OF spot and waited for them to improve.

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by Jason Collette on Jul 22, 2011 4:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

When I saw him in drills in Spring he showed a very good arm and solid footwork.

I’m not sure if he somehow changes during games but I am surprised by all the errors he has made. I wonder if they are throwing or fielding errors.

by jcmitchell on Jul 22, 2011 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

He's got a real future at 3B with the Rays

and the continual denial of 1B being an important defensive position, even though players and Maddon have said so many times, shows the ignorance of many

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by sternfan1 on Jul 22, 2011 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't think he meant to play full-time 3B.

I think he’s with me that Canzler could play a good role with the team as a 1B/3B/COF guy that gets at-bats when players need days off and that his defense is good enough to play a day or so there. He wasn’t knocing the importance of 1B defense.

by jcmitchell on Jul 22, 2011 4:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Where's Z-man?

He’s been pimping this guy all year, calling for him to be included in Top 20 hitting prospects, and now the first in depth thread on the dude, and Z-man twinks out

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by sternfan1 on Jul 22, 2011 3:39 PM EDT reply actions  

i agree

Gomes in ’08

182/282/393

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by sternfan1 on Jul 22, 2011 4:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Haha!

I gotta admit, that was pretty funny.

by jcmitchell on Jul 22, 2011 4:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

don't take my theory on it

ask guys like Longoria, Ensberg or Joe Maddon

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by sternfan1 on Jul 22, 2011 4:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yea, I did ask Maddon, from the dugout at Miller Park about it.

He said Pena was better overall. Kotch had better slap tag, Pena much better at playing popups behind him. Otherwise, no drop-off.

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by Jason Collette on Jul 22, 2011 4:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

As for Kotch's '10 slash line--it was awful

I’m sure if i was in the Lookout Landing community i’d have been all over him as much as i am Brignac this season

But to continually bash Kotch for what he’s done in ‘11 or what may happen this season , he has over 300 PA, is the most ridiculous commentary i’ve ever read, and why i’ll continue to attack it

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by sternfan1 on Jul 22, 2011 4:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not bashing him...bashing the bromance you have with a one hit wonder

He’s proved us well-read and paid analysts wrong as the outlier and reminded us none of us are perfect.

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by Jason Collette on Jul 22, 2011 5:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Joe Maddon

ever the diplomat.

Love all his quote about his “guys” past or present…never rips them, never puts one above the other.

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by MrNegative1 on Jul 22, 2011 4:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Let me ask you something Jason

Could Canzler provide enough offensive punch to make up for sub par defense at 1b?

Let’s leave Kotchman out of it (I don’t have an agenda here!).

I guess what I’m asking is this: What is the floor for offensive output that allows for a DH type glove at 1b?

by MrNegative1 on Jul 22, 2011 4:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

he's busy clogging up threads with giant videos and pictures

which are not recommended in the by laws

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by sternfan1 on Jul 22, 2011 4:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

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by Jason Collette on Jul 22, 2011 5:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

No, I don't think so

If you’re going to eat a good glove at 1B for the sake of offense, that’s 25 HRs at a minimum. I don’t think Canzler can make enough contact at the big league level to do that.

There isn’t anyone in this organization right now that I would be happy with as the opening day 1B on this team in 2012.

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by Jason Collette on Jul 22, 2011 5:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think it's fair to say Pena had more range.

Kotch seems to have a better arm, or is at least more ambitious.

I also think Pena had better footwork, or maybe just more footwork. Not sure there. Kotch’s receiving game doesn’t seem to suffer because of it though, so maybe it was false hustle. Not sure. Could depend on quality of throws too. Pena had Bartlett, Kotch has the better-armed Brignac most of the time.

by R.J. Anderson on Jul 22, 2011 4:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Kotch is probably better at scooping out low throws/hops, which is what you might be referencing.

I’m talking about adjusting to throws on the fly and keeping your foot on the base. But again, that might just be due to the quality of throws received. Even with Longoria, there were times he would throw a little wild. I can’t recall that popping up as often this season, last night’s play notwithstanding.

by R.J. Anderson on Jul 22, 2011 5:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm not sure I'd go that far.

The cascading effect of a good scooper is reduced if he’s mostly receiving from good throwers, but good throwers aren’t immune to bad throws. They just make fewer of them than most.

by R.J. Anderson on Jul 22, 2011 5:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

that foot injury

hobbled Pena greatly last year. It stripped him of power, probably disrupted his balance, and slowed him down around the bag. Credit to Pena for playing through it, even if it devalued his game in a free agent year.

by MrNegative1 on Jul 22, 2011 5:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Fangraphs has

Kotch at RngR at career plus 18.7
Pena at RngR at career minus -11.6.
RngR; range runs above average stat .That is a saber stat ,which is what this site and myself promote.

by Landlord on Jul 22, 2011 6:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Welp, Agenda'd

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by 4QB on Jul 22, 2011 7:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

This seems like as good a place as any for a DAN JOHNSON FAN CLUB UPDATE:

Pump’s went 5 for 6 yesterday with a double and a homer.

He’s now hitting .270/.379/.423 overall with a titillating .384/.432/.534 July slash.

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by BWoodrum on Jul 22, 2011 5:14 PM EDT reply actions  

Yeah, so what if even I was credited with a homer in yesterday's drubbing?

We don’t remove stats from blowout games just like we don’t nullify perfect games where hitters have no chance.

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by BWoodrum on Jul 22, 2011 5:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

I bet Brignac wouldn't have homered

I’m just taking away all of the obvious SF1 replies

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by Jason Collette on Jul 22, 2011 5:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

AAAA

I do this for free

by SRQman on Jul 22, 2011 6:41 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

career minor league ops

Kotch .897 canzler .803 but canzler should be expected to do much better. If you think canzler can magically be a MLB player why not kotchman

by Dbullsfan on Jul 22, 2011 5:20 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

Even with what Kotchman is doing now, as a 13th overall pick, he's been a disappointment

30th round picks shouldn’t even be in this conversation at this point as they’re either out of baseball or stuck in AA but the fact that Canzler is finding success speaks to his improvement.

If they could find another LH 1B next season that Canzler could help spell, I’m good with it. In fact, I wouldn’t mind having Canzler up now (bye Elliiot) to platoon with Kotchman now against some of the tougher LHP matchups.

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by Jason Collette on Jul 22, 2011 5:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Who said Canzler would be better than Kotch?

He could be a platoon complement perhaps.

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by FreeZorilla on Jul 22, 2011 5:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Kotch needs a platoon mate ASAP:

65 wRC+ vs. lefties.

It’s only 68 PAs, but hell, it only took 84 PAs to determine Dan Johnson was broken.

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by BWoodrum on Jul 22, 2011 7:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Who said Canzler would be better than Kotch?

I said he would be better than Leslie.

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by FreeZorilla on Jul 22, 2011 5:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

You're confusing two different arguments.

If we only had minor league data on Kotch, then we’d expect him to succeed. Remember, he was a very good prospect coming up. He had a good season in 2007, but had some real stinkers since. The pessimism has nothing to do with his minor league numbers, but his major league performance.

Canzler has no major league performance, all we have is minor league data. If he turns into a useful bench player it’s a coup.

by R.J. Anderson on Jul 22, 2011 5:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Can we get an early GDT for Matt Moore's start please?

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by Jonah Keri on Jun 19, 2010 10:31 PM EDT

by Doug09 on Jul 22, 2011 7:05 PM EDT reply actions  

Jennings was a late scratch

90% chance injury, 8% chance dead, 2% chance call-up.

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by Jonah Keri on Jun 19, 2010 10:31 PM EDT

by Doug09 on Jul 22, 2011 7:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Moore On MilbTV

Moore vs Toledo.. Announcer says nothing they know of is wrong with Jennings,he was just pulled from the starting lineup at the last minute.

by MarkFidrych on Jul 22, 2011 7:38 PM EDT reply actions  

120% chance there's a setback with his finger. I just can't believe Desmond 2014 Jennings is getting called up.

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by Jonah Keri on Jun 19, 2010 10:31 PM EDT

by Doug09 on Jul 22, 2011 7:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

Also, he's apparently still at Durham park in uniform

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by Jonah Keri on Jun 19, 2010 10:31 PM EDT

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