Rays Lose 10-4 To The Royals, Desmond Jennings Recalled
by BWoodrum on Jul 23, 2011 12:54 AM EDT
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After three solid starts beginning in the middle of June, Wade Davis has posted two consecutive not-solid -- perhaps entirely liquid -- starts. On July 6th, he went only 5 innings and gave the Twins 4 R and 3 ER. Today, he went 5 and 1/3 and donated 6 R and 5 ER to the Kansas City Royals.
Facing a total of 27 batters, Davis walked none and struck out 3, but allowed 11 hits -- including a homer and 4 doubles. The New Wade Davis approach we saw early this year -- throwing softer, striking out fewer batters -- did not appear to be the problem tonight as Davis got his fastball into the low mid-90s even as late as the 6th inning and averaged 92+ MPH on the night.
No, it appeared to be just One of Those Days, the days in which the opposing pitcher -- Luke Hochevar -- sports an in-game FIP of 9.34 and our starter's 4.27 FIP somehow proves insufficient. J.P. Howell and Brandon Gomes each had a pair of runs tagged against them, but it appears the BABIP beasts were in full ferocity against Howell (.750), Gomes (.500), and Davis (.435).
The Rays offense did not have a bad game, but certainly did not help themselves. They loaded the bases after scoring two in the first frame, but then a Matt Joyce strikeout and B.J. Upton ground-into-double-play (they come in bunches, apparently) ended the threat.
Evan Longoria seems to be thankfully gaining momentum again, going 1 for 3 with two walks and a beautiful 2-run shot in the 6th inning. Matt Joyce followed with a dinger of his own. Johnny Damon continued his interminable march into the history books, clubbing a double on his way to a 3 for 5 night.
Big news of the night:
- The Rays called up outfielder Desmond Jennings and sent down Reid Brignac. As Steve notes, the Desmond Jennings era has begun, but it's hard to say this means B.J. Upton is also on his way out. Maybe we will know more after dawnbreak.
However, one must assume this means, at present, the Rays will employ Sean Rodriguez as the full-time shortstop and post Ben Zobrist at second. Or perhaps call up Dan Johnson and move Casey Kotchman to second, then put Robinson Chirinos at short so Nevin Ashley can catch. #rosterbate - Matt Moore made his Triple-A debut with the Durham Bulls. He went only 5 innings, but struck out 7. In the meantime, I will be over here, resisting Scott Kazmir thoughts.
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I'm fairly certain the only way to lose to a joke of a team is to play a joke of a game.
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WAY TO GO WADE DAVIS! WAY TO EARN THAT CONTRACT!
I focus on money my hands touch
If that right there don’t add up
I gotta let you know your math sucks
You don’t ever talk to a calculator
You don’t get caught with an ounce of paper
Every convo is about a favour
Watch him be all shields like next year haha
A-rod's salary? 30 Million, Evan Longoria's? 1M, god i love life as a rays fan
by RaysOfHope on Jul 23, 2011 1:04 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
In all fairness, Davis has more legit concerns than the BABIP-based problems of the '10 Shields.
But: He’s only 25 and hopefully still developing as a pitcher, so anything is possible.
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BABIP-based problems
aka throwing it right down the dickhole
I do this for free
by SRQman on Jul 23, 2011 1:07 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Are you seriously going with BABIP
in a single game as a meaningful number?
It says to me they sucked today. Period.
by nyyfaninlaaland on Jul 23, 2011 3:55 AM EDT up reply actions
BABIP
I feel you can use BABIP as a useful stat in just one game. But what I’ve also noticed is that generally when a pitcher has a high BABIP his ball got the shit hit out of them.
It was a joke
I would be hapoy to take the wade davis of last year
A-rod's salary? 30 Million, Evan Longoria's? 1M, god i love life as a rays fan
by RaysOfHope on Jul 23, 2011 1:12 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Horrible game
Glad to see evan and joyce hit some hrs.
Im very glad deezy is here, ive wanted him every since manny retarded, I mean retired
A-rod's salary? 30 Million, Evan Longoria's? 1M, god i love life as a rays fan
by RaysOfHope on Jul 23, 2011 1:04 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
Yeah, I'm just hoping Rays fans don't boo him within the first two weeks.
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I'm wondering why the community here seems to expect
Jennings to be better than Upton.
Because he’s cheaper?
Looking at their final 3 fullish minors seasons, (BJ 04 – 06, DJ 09 – 11) their performances are somewhat comparable across the more conventional stats (BA, OBP, SLG, OPS), perhaps Beej with a bit of a power & BB edge and DJ with a bit more efficient run game and lower K rate. Played in the same mix of levels across the 3.
Of course Beej was 3 years younger at each.
by nyyfaninlaaland on Jul 23, 2011 3:53 AM EDT up reply actions
Erm, because BJ has a .320 wOBA right now?
That doesn’t seem like high expectations or anything, but I’d be very happy if Jennings could reproduce that out of the gate.
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by Steve Slowinski on Jul 23, 2011 9:24 AM EDT up reply actions
why is more than one person comparing Moore to Kaz?
because they are both white and left-handed?
stfu
There are probably 420 reasons
PIZZA?!?
by Transplanted on Jul 23, 2011 1:54 AM EDT up reply actions
Better
It would be better if Johnson stayed in Durham. Kotchman plays well on 1st. Jennigs has to compete with BJ and stir things up. But the best is to trade BJ, bring Guyer up!
This guy is drunk
by Ryan Gilliss on Jul 23, 2011 10:40 AM EDT up reply actions
Moore>Kazmir
Anyone who tries to compare Moore to Kazmir is crazy! Moore was pitching in 98 degree heat in his 1st AA game…89 pitches were plenty last night. Only in Kazmir’s dreams, does he have a ability of Moore.
Jennings
I hope people don’t expect Jennings to be another Crawford…he’s not. He is more of a CFer, sort of similar to the Tigers’ Austin Jackson,except Jennings has more pop and will not strike out as much as Jackson.Goodbye Upton…..hello Guyer!
If you're ceiling for him is Austin Jackson without his BABIP of '10
we’re in for a disappointing performance
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I believe he is saying that he is just like Jackson...
but with power and less strikeouts, so essentially he like Jackson in that they are both black.
by Ryan Gilliss on Jul 23, 2011 10:42 AM EDT up reply actions
Here is what really disturbs me about this FO
They’re not giving the team the best chance to win
1- Sticking with Reid Brignac till July 22, when a LL coach could see his bat and swing were not MLB
2- Staying with JP Howell game after game of disaster after disaster
3- Staying with two catchers who were failing all season and only an injury gets them to make a move, and oh btw are you still in love with Chirinos’ bat?
4- The LF situation. If this FO is so in love with Desmond Jennings he needed to be here in May
5- Why aren’t we starting our 5 best SP? Wade Davis needed to use his full 30 day rehab, not come up and get pounded in this now ridiculous 6 man rotation
Don’t tell the fans we’ll put the best team possible on the field and then pull shit like the above
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You've been posting good things lately but this is all bullshit
by pudieron89 on Jul 23, 2011 8:18 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
counter
- - Who else in the org could play SS once you realize that Brignac wasn’t cutting it?
- - He’s had his good moments as well, ump didn’t have his tonight otherwise we’re not having this talking
- - 4 game and you’re already writing off Chirinos after spending most of May and June telling us how well he was doing? What catchers were available in trade to fix it?
- - You know this team well enough that they were never going to burn the Super Two status so that’s a non-starter
- - Velo was fine last night, location was not. Clearly, someone is being moved in a deal at some point.
- - THIS IS NOT, NOR HAS IT BEEN, a playoff team since over the past 4 weeks. Tommy, RJ, Slow, Me, PECOTA, etc all said 86-88 wins with the team needing some breaks for a shot at the post-season. Losing your best player for 26 games and having him hobble through the rest and losing your clean-up hitter five games into the season is not catching breaks.
Once people come to grips with watching this team as a competitive team and not a playoff team, it is a lot easier to watch. I came to 100% grips with this on Monday night.
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by Jason Collette on Jul 23, 2011 8:50 AM EDT up reply actions
I agree with your final statement--not a playoff team
However i will not budge on any of the points i made, especially that POS Howell and Brignac
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Awesome answers
In order to get rid of a POS, you have to have someone to replace him with. JJ Furmaniak isn’t coming up to play SS, Sean Rodriguez is not an everyday SS, and Elliot is a measure of desperation.
I don’t think anyone saw Brignac regressing to this level, this quickly. If anything, fault AF and company for not having a better backup plan for the position.
Howell, like Joe Nathan, is going to struggle coming off injury. Shit happens. He came back at a discount and is working for a 2012 job.
This season would be a lot easier to process if the team hadn’t created false hope with that 21-7 run. I think if people would have just come into the season expecting this team to be the 78-80 win team you and everyone else said it would be, they’d be thrilled with the results. Then again, I don’ think anything can make you happy except for Kotchman winning the MVP, Joyce being sent back to the minors, and every other Rays player you don’t give a shit about being released or dying. You curmudgeon, you.
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by Jason Collette on Jul 23, 2011 9:13 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
if this is how you watch a baseball game, you and i are on different planets
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Again, complete avoidance of the topic
I can’t back you into a corner this easily, can I?
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by Jason Collette on Jul 23, 2011 12:14 PM EDT up reply actions
So what the breaking point on Brignac?
It’s not like they have an answer to your question now, yet they still made the move. Why didn’t they make the same move a month ago? It’s very frustrating.
"Few things are harder to put up with than the annoyance of a good example." ~ Mark Twain
You stole my response re Chirinos
It’s 110% disingenuous to bitch about the rfo failing to make a move at C…and then, in the very next sentence, to bitch about the guy they brought up when they did make a move.
by GomesSweetGomes on Jul 23, 2011 10:29 AM EDT up reply actions
Last season the Rangers went out and got Molina--moves can be made
and C and SS were screaming for something
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Yes, you're right
On the basis of ONE GAME, its safe to say the Rays should have instead went out and found a veteran catcher with a sub .600 OPS. Great idea.
by GomesSweetGomes on Jul 23, 2011 11:18 AM EDT up reply actions
I'd put good money that Chirinos out-performs 2010 Bengie Molina
The bar is set very, very low for him to either outperform that, or the production from jaso or shoppach. Bitching about chirinos now is just bitching forsake of bitching.
by GomesSweetGomes on Jul 23, 2011 11:23 AM EDT up reply actions
Just hedging his bets so he can claim 'I told you so' either way
Chirinos hits grand slam “I’ve been calling for this guy for months”
Chirinos sails throw into centerfield and gets golden sombrero “Are you guys still in love with his bat”
by GomesSweetGomes on Jul 23, 2011 11:29 AM EDT up reply actions
Such as?
Who is on the market that is a significant upgrade to the current situation?
Answer questions
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by Jason Collette on Jul 23, 2011 12:15 PM EDT up reply actions
This is aggressively stupid
Once people come to grips with watching this team as a competitive team and not a playoff team, it is a lot easier to watch.
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by Top Gun Numba 1 on Jul 23, 2011 10:38 AM EDT up reply actions
you're aggressively stupid
by Ryan Gilliss on Jul 23, 2011 10:44 AM EDT up reply actions
Good post
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by Top Gun Numba 1 on Jul 23, 2011 10:44 AM EDT up reply actions
Thank you
by Ryan Gilliss on Jul 23, 2011 10:45 AM EDT up reply actions
Sure beats throwing BS potshots all night long
How you watch a game pissing and moaning about everything in between fellating Kotch is beyond me. It’s just a miserable way of approaching things.
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by Jason Collette on Jul 23, 2011 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions
How so?
Paint the picture that puts this team in the post-season. You can’t airbrush this team enough to make it look like a post-season product. It’s competitive, but it isn’t post-season material.
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by Jason Collette on Jul 23, 2011 12:16 PM EDT up reply actions
If you're not rooting for this team to make the post season, but rather hang out in the 85-88 win area, then buy a fucking subscription to MiLB.com and follow the Bulls this year
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by Top Gun Numba 1 on Jul 23, 2011 12:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Rooting and expectations are two different things
by Ryan Gilliss on Jul 23, 2011 12:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Ok, and it appears that he is rooting for the team to not win. Everyone is gitty to see the team demolished and sold off.
Yeah, maybe the Yanks and Sox are favorites, but (and believe me, I hate to be the one to say this) there is a reason that seasons are played and not simmed.
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by Top Gun Numba 1 on Jul 23, 2011 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions
I think all the trade rumors are more exciting than the games have been lately
It definitely provides a lot of conversation… even if 99% of it is retarded.
@dobbertweets
"Baseball is boring" - Dobber and SRQ
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by Top Gun Numba 1 on Jul 23, 2011 12:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Nothing like getting raped by a team you should beat
(Probably a good thing the season is 162 games)
@dobbertweets
I'm giddy to see how the team prepares for the next 3 years
If it means 2011 being like 2009, so be it.
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by Jason Collette on Jul 23, 2011 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Only Kaz was shipped out in 2009 and that's because he was terrible. Shields and Upton aren't
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by Top Gun Numba 1 on Jul 23, 2011 12:54 PM EDT up reply actions
It fucking seems like it
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by Top Gun Numba 1 on Jul 23, 2011 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions
until we get a new stadium it is going to be this way
deal with it, fortunately we have some either really lucky or really good people in the FO keeping us in the race in the toughest division in baseball despite. For them to keep us in the race we need to sell high, buy low, if that means moving Upton/Shields than it is what it is.
winning the division 2 out of 3 years
I’m cool with that. If you expect more than I think you need to reallocate the problem.
They supply the talent, the people demand $10M+ free agents in order to show up for the games
I’d much rather them go with a $5, $15, $20, $25 pricing model on tickets.
Anything in 300 is $5
Anything in 200 or OF is $15
Anything in 100 outside the dugouts is $20
Anything inside the dugouts in the 100 (outside of Avant Air) is $25
That’s the part of the accounting class we haven’t seen yet. This dumbass tier ticketing thing kills me because I know for me, I’ll skip Premium games to go to 2 of the bronze games for the same price.
If you set up that kind of affordable structure and people still don’t come, it’s not the economy, it’s the apathy.
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by Jason Collette on Jul 23, 2011 1:01 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree completely with this.
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by Top Gun Numba 1 on Jul 23, 2011 1:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Houston does it right
They know their team sucks, but they have ticket steals. When I was there on business last year, paid $5 for a seat in the 300 level (they have a 400 level as well.). They also let all kids under the age of 10 in free to games because they know the parents will then spend the money saved on tickets at the concession counters and merchandise areas.
Devaluing a ticket is a tough line for teams to cross, but selling 20K tickets with the current model as supposed to 26-27K with an adjusted model plus increased revenues within the stadium is something worth trying out.
Stu isn’t going to build a new ballpark with his own money to prove the point that the stadium location is the problem, but this is something they can easily do and if people still don’t come, then it’s time to pack up shit and get out of town.
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by Jason Collette on Jul 23, 2011 1:05 PM EDT up reply actions
yea sadly for the fans right now less people in the seats makes it look like we need a new stadium (which we do)
as well as the media ambush, so they aren’t going to lower the prices because they want the new stadium.
problem is they get like $75 for some of those $25 seats
by Ryan Gilliss on Jul 23, 2011 1:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Reality
If you want to use the Laffer curve for trades, Upton is at his peak for getting ROI.
Shields, not so much, and I don’t want to see him go unless some team bends over and says forget the lube, just stick it to us.
I’d much rather see Niemann dealt to create room for Cobb to open the season in the rotation with Torres serving as next year’s Cobb as I think he could use a bit more work on his command.
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by Jason Collette on Jul 23, 2011 12:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Honest question
Is it better to fuel somewhat of a pipe dream (2011) or try and remain competitive over a larger # of years?
As you can always expect come from behind victory is when you least expect it.
ANd I know its not mutually exclusive
As you can always expect come from behind victory is when you least expect it.
WHICH IS MY FUCKING POINT
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by Top Gun Numba 1 on Jul 23, 2011 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Dude, the numbers just dont' add up.
We can’t add a catcher/SS and stay under 50 mil. Not fucking possible.
@dobbertweets
Well...
Rays are now a game behind the Angels in the wildcard….but let’s pretend they don’t exist.
62 games left for TB
65 left for BOS
65 left for NYY
Rays go 42-20 in their stretch of 62, Yanks and Sox have to go 35-30.
I can easily see either of those two teams playing 5 games over .500 the rest of the way but no way in hell do I see this Rays team, no matter what they add on, playing 22 games over .500 the rest of the way.
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by Jason Collette on Jul 23, 2011 1:10 PM EDT up reply actions
The time to fuel the 2011 pipe dream is gone
If they had a dream, Guyer would never have been sent down and Jennings would have been up weeks ago. The fact they sat Sonny on this roster as long as they did until finally getting rid of them speaks to where their head is with this.
As much as I defend ownership, if they’re not showing interest in being a 2011 post-season team, why should I pretend that they are? They’re not making roster decisions like a playoff team.
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by Jason Collette on Jul 23, 2011 1:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Fuld I'm fine with
Ruggiano is no better than what Gomes was doing when he was DFA’d
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by Jason Collette on Jul 23, 2011 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions
I've also never seen Ruggiano drink beer out of a cup.
I'll make out with a guy if he knocks it in
by Jason Collette on Jun 11, 2011 9:00 PM CDT
(Kotchman knocked it in)
don't forget about the current Sonny
Ruggiano’s existence on the roster can only mean 2 things. 1. He is platooning with Joyce in RF, which stunts Joyce’s development which is bad or 2. He is just going to sit on the bench while we have a 6 man bullpen because of the retarded 6 man rotation, which is also bad.
the in house roster moves have been puzzling at best.
What are they trying to do then? Lose games?
The fans demands have been to call up Jennings and Guyer.
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I've really never that Collette...
goes out of his way to point out the warts of this team, yet the person who you so strongly defend delights in the failures so he can shout his “I told you so”.
by Ryan Gilliss on Jul 23, 2011 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions
You're missing a verb there, but SF1's a troll and hilarious. Ostensibly Collette is an "analyst" (not fanboy)
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by Top Gun Numba 1 on Jul 23, 2011 12:56 PM EDT up reply actions
I realize that...
you also think giddy is spelled gitty
by Ryan Gilliss on Jul 23, 2011 1:07 PM EDT up reply actions
I have an mlb and a milb subscription, but thanks for the suggestion
The difference is, my passion for this team doesn’t hinge upon them making the post-season, or the names on the back of the jersey. I’m as passionate about them if they win 88 and finish 6 games out as I am them winning 95 and making the post-season.
I’ll root for the team until game 162 is played to its completion, but game 163 will not be on the schedule for this team and you know it.
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by Jason Collette on Jul 23, 2011 12:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Is it likely? No. Is it certain? Fuck no. Come on, this is redic. I'm not saying mortgage the future to go for it, but why advocate a fucking firesale?
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by Top Gun Numba 1 on Jul 23, 2011 12:53 PM EDT up reply actions
because if a firesale makes it a lot more likely we are one of the best teams in baseball for the next 10 years
than do it, we are in no position to win this year and it would take a miracle. Even if we get to the playoffs do you expect Price, Shields, Niemann to stack up, they’ve already said Hellickson only has 50 innings left so he won’t be around by October.
Where have they said Hellickson only has 50 innings left? If they get to October you're nuts if you don't think he's pitching
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by Top Gun Numba 1 on Jul 23, 2011 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Maddon said it, I heard it on the pre-game show a few games ago
he actually said he only has about 50 innings left and they are using the 6 man rotation in hopes of being able to limit his innings so he could pitch in the playoffs.
"pitch in the playoffs"
by Ryan Gilliss on Jul 23, 2011 1:03 PM EDT up reply actions
If they can make moves this year that make this team more competitive for the next 3, I support anything they decide to do
Moving Upton now isn’t a firesale. How much of a gap to you see between what he’s doing now and what Jennings could be doing? Upton is the same guy this year that he was last year – he’s plateauing.
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by Jason Collette on Jul 23, 2011 1:13 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree with the premise of your argument, but not most of the examples you're putting forward.
They’ve made some weird roster moves this season.
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by Steve Slowinski on Jul 23, 2011 9:26 AM EDT up reply actions
If you change the frame of mind, most of the moves make sense
They’re not acting like a playoff team for 2011 from the get go with the moves, just offering the lip service.
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by Jason Collette on Jul 23, 2011 9:28 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, very true.
It made a bunch of the earlier roster moves make sense too…it was just still frustrating. At this point, though, it’s whatever.
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by Steve Slowinski on Jul 23, 2011 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Chirinos has 14 AB's, and you are hating already?
If he had 1 more hit he would be batting just under .300….
you know what? you're right, i'll hold off
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by sternfan1 on Jul 23, 2011 11:06 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Welcome to the hell that is sternfandia
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by Jason Collette on Jul 23, 2011 12:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Some of those are just ignoring the developmental cycle.
The six-man rotation I only get if it’s to save Hellickon’s innings. Otherwise, it’s a waste. You don’t want to take starts out of Price and Shields for Davis and Cobb. And I’m still a believer in both of those guys being rotation fixes for this or another club over the next few years.
by R.J. Anderson on Jul 23, 2011 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions
If we are out of the hunt, why not take starts away from Shields/Price?
I really dont know that going 225+ innings is really what I want out of Shields in a rebuilding year. You really want him going all Kevin Appier?
by GomesSweetGomes on Jul 23, 2011 4:01 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm sad
I woke up like it was Christmas morning and I was going to look at what BJ Upton brought us while I gently slept. Now I need to take a cold shower.
by pudieron89 on Jul 23, 2011 8:19 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
Buster Olney:
ESPN’s Buster Olney reports that “it does look like” B.J. Upton will be traded.
Speculation swirled after Upton was removed from Friday’s game and Desmond Jennings was called up from Triple-A Durham. Upton, though, told reporters that he had not been informed of any traded before dropping a "See you guys tomorrow, hopefully,‘’ before he left the clubhouse. While the Jennings move doesn’t appear to be directly related to Upton, as Reid Brignac was optioned out as the corresponding move, it sounds like him being dealt is still a real possibility. Stay tuned.
What are we doing with 3 LHP bullpen options?
Two of them are awful and one of those need to be sent down if Das Can has an option left
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Play them out and see which ones need to be brought back
This team isn’t going to the post-season so start using the rest of this season to see who deserves to be tendered after the season. If you don’t like it, don’t tune in.
People need to give up on this post-season dream because the talent gap is tremendous and whatever the Rays do to fix it, the Sox and Yanks will do more.
I’d gladly like to be wrong, but I’m putting the elimination date at 9/18.
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by Jason Collette on Jul 23, 2011 8:52 AM EDT up reply actions
I don't think you are wrong.
Time to figure out how to retool around the core that’s here , so we can make a run next year.
by Peter Piontek on Jul 23, 2011 9:01 AM EDT up reply actions
that for me is the problem, outside of SP, there isn't much talent here
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Pretty much you are right as far as 25 man roster goes.
Right now as for guys i’d want back: Shields , Price , Hellickson , Niemann , Cobb , Gomes , McGee , Ramos , Longoria , Zobrist , Joyce , Kotchman , Rodriguez , Jennings , Fuld , Chirinos. Fuld because he is a good 4th/5th OF and defensively has been fantastic. Chirinos only because i haven’t seen enough to dog him out. but that leaves 10 open spots
by Peter Piontek on Jul 23, 2011 9:12 AM EDT up reply actions
Talent costs money
Money isn’t there (see Maury’s article yesterday for another reminder) and a financial whiz like Stu isn’t going to spend money he doesn’t have long-term. He spent $72M last season and still nobody showed up so why go out there and spend more money in the same economy that people blamed as the primary reason people didn’t show up last season?
The lack of offensive talent at the upper levels was well known over recent years. That’s why the Garza trade was necessary as the team had a heavy imbalance toward pitching prospects with hitting prospects either not signing or not developing as quickly as expected.
I'm not a fanboy, I'm a _______
by Jason Collette on Jul 23, 2011 9:15 AM EDT up reply actions
something holding up the deal or someone jumped in at the last minute...
any variety of things could be holding things up but something is going down today.
by Peter Piontek on Jul 23, 2011 9:20 AM EDT up reply actions
lol
A-rod's salary? 30 Million, Evan Longoria's? 1M, god i love life as a rays fan
by RaysOfHope on Jul 23, 2011 9:46 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
He's getting closer and closer to arbitration each day, can't be too careful
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by Top Gun Numba 1 on Jul 23, 2011 10:45 AM EDT up reply actions
:(
Maddon's Mission
Make you want to kill him, then make you want to love him. Sly.
by Jonah Keri on Jun 19, 2010 10:31 PM EDT
I'm setting the over/under on amount of time it takes you to get banned from that team's website at 4 hours.
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by Top Gun Numba 1 on Jul 23, 2011 10:46 AM EDT up reply actions
doesn't it usually take a day for them to allow me to post?
that might cool my jets a bit.
of course i might just go in gifs blazing, showing my butthole
by daveh33 on Jul 23, 2011 10:47 AM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
Register at all of them now
Maddon's Mission
Make you want to kill him, then make you want to love him. Sly.
by Jonah Keri on Jun 19, 2010 10:31 PM EDT
Always be prepared
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by Top Gun Numba 1 on Jul 23, 2011 10:48 AM EDT up reply actions
This is aggressively stupid
by Ryan Gilliss on Jul 23, 2011 10:50 AM EDT up reply actions
If you're arguing with my assessment of Collette's post, spit it out
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by Top Gun Numba 1 on Jul 23, 2011 10:51 AM EDT up reply actions
I'm not...
I don’t necessarily agree with you, but I do like your response
by Ryan Gilliss on Jul 23, 2011 10:53 AM EDT up reply actions
What exactly is a competitive team compared to a playoff team? Competitive for what? 3rd? Root for us to get between 86 and 88 wins so that "Tommy, RJ, Slow, Me, PECOTA, etc" can be proven correct?
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by Top Gun Numba 1 on Jul 23, 2011 10:55 AM EDT up reply actions
I wasn't really referring to that
by Ryan Gilliss on Jul 23, 2011 10:58 AM EDT up reply actions
just joined Talking Chop
in anticipation/naive hopefulness.
it says my membership will be active in 3 days. … is that because i’ve been banned here so many times?
yes
by Ryan Gilliss on Jul 23, 2011 10:53 AM EDT up reply actions
(you've never been banned there)
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by Top Gun Numba 1 on Jul 23, 2011 10:56 AM EDT up reply actions
do they take previous track records into account?
i know you guys can see when I’ve been warned by Sickels. can they see my ban history from here?
yes
by Ryan Gilliss on Jul 23, 2011 11:01 AM EDT up reply actions
i've probably been banned/warned more than anyone in the history of this site
and have never waited more than the standard 24 hours to get on another SBN site
follow me on twitter @sternfan10
53 Bans and 8 warnings
by Ryan Gilliss on Jul 23, 2011 11:51 AM EDT up reply actions
17 bans, 14 warnings
by Ryan Gilliss on Jul 23, 2011 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions
he certainly does not go hard in the motherfucking paint
by Ryan Gilliss on Jul 23, 2011 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions
I think you might have 134 bans
by Ryan Gilliss on Jul 23, 2011 12:00 PM EDT up reply actions
and 25 warnings
by Ryan Gilliss on Jul 23, 2011 12:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Are you banned from Marisa's Lacrosse website?
by DaPriceIsRight on Jul 23, 2011 11:08 AM EDT up reply actions
yes you were
by Ryan Gilliss on Jul 23, 2011 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions
dunno how you don't mention the Fuld non-trap.
That was some big time BS right there. If the ump gets that call right the inning is over, no runs score, and Howell doesn’t give up two ground ball RBI base hits. Fucking hosed.
2 runs scored on missed flyballs, and 3 after that trap...
Combined with the Rays ineptitude in the 1st inning, and that explains the blowout…
that was a really tough call, it sucks it didn't go our way, but I thought it was a trap live
and while I think after watching the replay about 20 times he caught it, I don’t think even after replay they would have overturned it. The ball rolls around quite a bit in his glove and you can’t really tell if it hits the grass or not. It looks like he got that one wrong but I can’t blame him at all for missing it live.
Resisting Scott Kazmir thoughts?
I’ll take his 2005-2008 with less injury
Vroom vroom party starter
www.raysprospects.com
Anyone want to guess whether or not Deezy leads off today?
I focus on money my hands touch
If that right there don’t add up
I gotta let you know your math sucks
You don’t ever talk to a calculator
You don’t get caught with an ounce of paper
Every convo is about a favour
please something better than Ian Desmond
Buster_ESPN Buster Olney
The interest in B.J. Upton is growing, with a couple of more teams calling. Maybe it’s part of Pence/Beltran price-shopping comparison.
23 seconds ago
Ill take norris
Desmond isnt that bad, he had a decent year last year and the year before. He is better than anything we have got right now
A-rod's salary? 30 Million, Evan Longoria's? 1M, god i love life as a rays fan
by RaysOfHope on Jul 23, 2011 12:16 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Desmond is bad...
and he only played ~20 games the year before
by Ryan Gilliss on Jul 23, 2011 12:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Lol what are you basing this on?
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by Top Gun Numba 1 on Jul 23, 2011 12:43 PM EDT up reply actions
There is no way to describe Desmond as decent...
by Ryan Gilliss on Jul 23, 2011 12:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Wait for PLK to post. He's a Nats fan and I've never heard him say anything nice about Desmond
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by Top Gun Numba 1 on Jul 23, 2011 12:47 PM EDT up reply actions
if you like Brignac, you will probably like Desmond
if you don’t like Brignac you probably won’t like Desmond.
If you like Brignac you're fucking certifiable
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by Top Gun Numba 1 on Jul 23, 2011 12:51 PM EDT up reply actions
does desmond have Brignac's D though?
No matter how much they are hyped, my teams always find a way to disappoint.
by thedudeofdudes on Jul 23, 2011 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions
He better have at least Brignac's D
by Ryan Gilliss on Jul 23, 2011 1:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Desmond is weird.
He has tools, there isn’t a question about that. He can run a little, has a good arm, has some gap power, and is athletic, but he’s 26 in September and the tools have led to .255/.297/.379 in more than 1,000 big league plate appearances. Outside of 2009, he never really hit in the minors either, and that stretch of hitting was apparently enough to send him up the chain without a second thought.
It’s difficult for me to look at his performance and get too excited. I haven’t watched a lot of him—I’ll probably go through a few Nats games if they do acquire him—but every defensive metric seems to suggest he has improved with the glove. The bat, though, it hasn’t happened there. Admittedly, he has hit better than Brignac, and assuming the defensive gains are real, then he should be a marginal upgrade right now, but only if you really think Brignac is this bad.
I don’t know. Maybe they think they can fix something in his approach. Maybe he’s too aggressive. At some point or another, the tools have to turn into results, and it seems like that time has passed for Desmond. Wouldn’t be shocked if he does land with another team, though, because coaches always see what could be, and Desmond could be a nice player.
by R.J. Anderson on Jul 23, 2011 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Upton was a super prospect, if it is similar--and I haven't checked--that's not a bad thing whatsoever.
by R.J. Anderson on Jul 23, 2011 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions
The age gap is the big thing.
I’d love to know how Upton develops had the Rays not rushed him.
by R.J. Anderson on Jul 23, 2011 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions
No idea.
The old regime had him work with Ozzie Smith and others I think, but I don’t know what the quality of coaching was like back then. I’m just not of the mind that you should have too many 19 or 20-year-olds reaching the majors, and they had I believe three within a five-year span.
by R.J. Anderson on Jul 23, 2011 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions
All the 19-to-21-year-old games played in franchise history:
19
Upton
20
Gaudin
Crawford
Young (new)
21
Wheeler
Kelly
Gaudin
Kazmir
Upton (new)
Crawford
Baldelli
Young (new)
by R.J. Anderson on Jul 23, 2011 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Here, BJ slightly better
DJ- 295/379/444
BJ- 297/393/455
He does have a nice highlight reel:
http://mlb.mlb.com/video/play.jsp?content_id=17022419&topic_id=&c_id=mlb&tcid=vpp_copy_17022419&v=3
http://mlb.mlb.com/video/play.jsp?content_id=17054801&topic_id=&c_id=mlb&tcid=vpp_copy_17054801&v=3
Definitely has some swagger.
by R.J. Anderson on Jul 23, 2011 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm bored so I'm going to throw out what Joe might do with his new toy tonight
LF Jennings
DH Damon
2B Zobrist
3B Longoria
CF Upton
SS Rodriguez
C Shoppach
RF Ruggiano
1B Johnson
when is the last time Kotch had a day off.
Elliot Johnson at 1st?
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by Top Gun Numba 1 on Jul 23, 2011 12:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Whatever happened to trying Damon at 1st?
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by Top Gun Numba 1 on Jul 23, 2011 12:49 PM EDT up reply actions
I mean for days off and such
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by Top Gun Numba 1 on Jul 23, 2011 12:50 PM EDT up reply actions
yea I thought that we would have seen more of that
but I guess between losing Manny and Kotch’s emergence it hasn’t been a necessity. That being said they haven’t even tried so maybe they saw him in camp this spring as were like hell no.
Kotch is going to need a day off at some point
why not tonight, nothing else that has happened lately makes much sense, and as far as I can tell from the NL games when we needed to replace Kotch, EJ was the back-up 1B.
against a lefty is the best time to justify the day off
Guy has played every game since June 3rd
I'm not a fanboy, I'm a _______
by Jason Collette on Jul 23, 2011 12:53 PM EDT up reply actions
yea I wouldn't be suprised if Joe had been pointing to today to give him a day off
everything else going on shouldn’t change that.
at age 39
I'm not a fanboy, I'm a _______
by Jason Collette on Jul 23, 2011 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Bigger news than DJ or BJ.
Amy Winehouse dead. Boo?
As you can always expect come from behind victory is when you least expect it.
Amy Crackwhore dead?
Oh noes!
I'm not a fanboy, I'm a _______
by Jason Collette on Jul 23, 2011 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions
"Amy Crackwhore" Really?
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by Top Gun Numba 1 on Jul 23, 2011 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Crackfiend would have been more appropriate
by Ryan Gilliss on Jul 23, 2011 1:04 PM EDT up reply actions
I enjoyed the song "try'd to make me go to rehab, I said no no no"
Great advice to live (die) by.
Maddon's Mission
Make you want to kill him, then make you want to love him. Sly.
by Jonah Keri on Jun 19, 2010 10:31 PM EDT
WHAT? SHE SEEMED SO HEALTHY
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by Top Gun Numba 1 on Jul 23, 2011 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions
PLease follow the outline TGN1 gave you
As you can always expect come from behind victory is when you least expect it.
yet another death at age 27
Cobain
Hendrix
Morrison
Whorehouse
I'm not a fanboy, I'm a _______
by Jason Collette on Jul 23, 2011 12:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Of the 2
only Hendrix and Morrison were good
No matter how much they are hyped, my teams always find a way to disappoint.
by thedudeofdudes on Jul 23, 2011 12:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes
Grohl was the driving force behind Nirvana
I'm not a fanboy, I'm a _______
by Jason Collette on Jul 23, 2011 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions
"Whorehouse"
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by Top Gun Numba 1 on Jul 23, 2011 12:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Fuck, I don't think I chose July 23rd 2011 on whenwillamywinehousedie.com
Off by 2 years
Maddon's Mission
Make you want to kill him, then make you want to love him. Sly.
by Jonah Keri on Jun 19, 2010 10:31 PM EDT
You do realize that you are the reason it didn't show up in your twitter feed, right?
by Ryan Gilliss on Jul 23, 2011 1:42 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I just have to say that I find it hilarious that Davis is the weak link in our 6 man rotation.
@dobbertweets
The contract was just posturing.
Made him more tradeable.
I'll make out with a guy if he knocks it in
by Jason Collette on Jun 11, 2011 9:00 PM CDT
(Kotchman knocked it in)
Do we all agree that B.J. is gone before next season whether it happens now or in December?
As you can always expect come from behind victory is when you least expect it.
No...
but I’m still hoping for an extension
by Ryan Gilliss on Jul 23, 2011 1:09 PM EDT up reply actions
No doubt the team would do it, but Beej is probably overestimating his worth
As you can always expect come from behind victory is when you least expect it.
I'm the wrong guy to ask
As you can always expect come from behind victory is when you least expect it.
I understand that..
but it seems like the Rays have defied their own conventional thinking multiple times this year.
by Ryan Gilliss on Jul 23, 2011 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions
It's like expecting Matt Moore to be up before 2014
Maddon's Mission
Make you want to kill him, then make you want to love him. Sly.
by Jonah Keri on Jun 19, 2010 10:31 PM EDT
I'm at the point now....
Where it seems the casual fan underestimates BJ’s value, and many on here overestimate his value.
by td32 on Jul 23, 2011 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
I really don't think I'm overestimating his value...
I just think that they Rays probably value what BJ brings to the team more than any other team does or will. I’m well aware that I’m totally irrational when it comes to this.
by Ryan Gilliss on Jul 23, 2011 1:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Pretty well said.
I think people are too in love with him this season…separation anxiety or something.
I love Casey Fossum. Now try and take me seriously. -- @steveslow
by Steve Slowinski on Jul 23, 2011 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions
But the point is people are in love with him in excess of his value.
He hasn’t had that great a year. It’s been about par for the course.
I love Casey Fossum. Now try and take me seriously. -- @steveslow
by Steve Slowinski on Jul 23, 2011 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions
If it was that easy,
every team would hire them.
No matter how much they are hyped, my teams always find a way to disappoint.
by thedudeofdudes on Jul 23, 2011 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Wouldn't be surprised if he's gone before today's game.
Pulling him last night makes no sense otherwise.
I'll make out with a guy if he knocks it in
by Jason Collette on Jun 11, 2011 9:00 PM CDT
(Kotchman knocked it in)
Yes.
I love Casey Fossum. Now try and take me seriously. -- @steveslow
by Steve Slowinski on Jul 23, 2011 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Is the lineup for tonight out yet?
Maddon's Mission
Make you want to kill him, then make you want to love him. Sly.
by Jonah Keri on Jun 19, 2010 10:31 PM EDT
I thought I had to be posting for the jokes to start
On the other hand, it makes more sense when im NOT around, I suppose…
No the lineup has not been posted.
Under construction
You keep coming back even though a lot of people give you shit about it. Guess one could respect that.
Maddon's Mission
Make you want to kill him, then make you want to love him. Sly.
by Jonah Keri on Jun 19, 2010 10:31 PM EDT
He has a great name!
I focus on money my hands touch
If that right there don’t add up
I gotta let you know your math sucks
You don’t ever talk to a calculator
You don’t get caught with an ounce of paper
Every convo is about a favour
welp, didn't see BW reported this before i did
by DaPriceIsRight on Jul 23, 2011 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions
I sold high on him in a keeper for Cano, hope he starts to cool off soon. I love seeing all of my ex-players do shitty.
Maddon's Mission
Make you want to kill him, then make you want to love him. Sly.
by Jonah Keri on Jun 19, 2010 10:31 PM EDT
and people, in Boston, were calling him pansy for how he handled himself last season
I'm not a fanboy, I'm a _______
by Jason Collette on Jul 23, 2011 1:34 PM EDT up reply actions
So BJ Upton is less than 2 years older than Desmond Jennings
#JustSaying his career is probably not over, he still has a lot of value.
I meant to post this above but
But he’s never hit 25 HRs or stolen 50 bases.
And a .240 BA is probably a higher end expectation at this point.
Exactly what is false about this?
I'll make out with a guy if he knocks it in
by Jason Collette on Jun 11, 2011 9:00 PM CDT
(Kotchman knocked it in)
I don't see how you can not expect a guy who is 26 to hit 15 points below his career ave
in his prime. I’ll give you the HR/SB are probably a stretch maybe, but I think he has been held back in this park. He has had shoulder problems the last couple years and appears to be healthy and when he makes contact seems to be hitting the ball better. I also wonder what he would be able to do with a different “approach or system” whatever Maddon calls it and brainwashed Shelton into teaching.
That career avg
is probly greatly affected by 07 when he .300 and 08 when he hit .270. Last year and this year he has hit more .220-.230
No matter how much they are hyped, my teams always find a way to disappoint.
by thedudeofdudes on Jul 23, 2011 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Good lord you have a skewed opinion on this guy.
He’s simply not the hitter you think he is. I’m sorry.
I'll make out with a guy if he knocks it in
by Jason Collette on Jun 11, 2011 9:00 PM CDT
(Kotchman knocked it in)
I don't think he is a superstar I just don't think he sucks
I’m barking with the wrong crowd, because I’m more frustrated over the filth I hear listening to the radio all the time that is always bashing the guy.
I don't think he sucks either,
but a .240 25HR 50SB well above average defensive CF’er is kind of an “elite” player in my book.
I'll make out with a guy if he knocks it in
by Jason Collette on Jun 11, 2011 9:00 PM CDT
(Kotchman knocked it in)
so temper that I don't think .240/20/40 is a reach at all
and without all the hype that would be just fine but because of expectations that is considered bad by fans.
If he continues his career the way I think he will,
.240/20/40 would be about what I think he averages out at. And thats just fine by me.
If circumstances were different, I’d love to keep him. But he’ll be a FA after next season and is getting too expensive to keep over what’s coming up through the system.
So I agree we should be shopping him. Not for the same reasons as most, probably, but I feel it’s the right way to go.
I'll make out with a guy if he knocks it in
by Jason Collette on Jun 11, 2011 9:00 PM CDT
(Kotchman knocked it in)
What does a minor league track record matter after 5 years of MLB service?
I'll make out with a guy if he knocks it in
by Jason Collette on Jun 11, 2011 9:00 PM CDT
(Kotchman knocked it in)
Why can Joyce, Longoria, Zobrist, Rodriguez, and others hit under Shelton but not Upton?
by R.J. Anderson on Jul 23, 2011 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions
At some point or another, you have to accept him for what he is.
He is a very useful ballplayer, one who never became a superstar, but helped the Rays win games. His time might be running out, but it’s not one person’s fault. It’s not that black and white.
by R.J. Anderson on Jul 23, 2011 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
outside of maybe Joyce I'm not sure any of the others are ringing endorsements
Zobrist has been good but Longoria (injuries have a big part to do with him) but Rodriguez, the catchers, Brignac, have all been horrible, or in Longoria’s case well below whats expected.
Rodriguez is killing lefties still.
Longoria isn’t on Shelton. Zobrist and Joyce aren’t either, but I don’t like the idea of blaming a hitting coach without knowing instruction. Shelton has had Upton for 1.5 seasons, let’s not pretend he just started being a high volume strikeout guy.
by R.J. Anderson on Jul 23, 2011 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't think Shelton is a horrible hitting coach
I’m not sure that he is a good fit with Upton. Upton has horrible pitch recognition it seems, and I don’t think a try to work the count approach works well that.
Okay, and you do realize Upton has swung at the highest rate of first pitches over the last two seasons in his career, right?
2007: 35%
2008: 34%
2009: 34%
2010: 40%
2011: 42%
So, maybe that’s Shelton, maybe it’s not, but it overlaps. Why are you blaming him again?
by R.J. Anderson on Jul 23, 2011 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions
B-Ref says 27 percent overall.
I assume that’s the average throughout his career.
by R.J. Anderson on Jul 23, 2011 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Upton is tied for the league lead in first-pitch swing rate.
http://www.baseball-reference.com/leagues/MLB/2011-pitches-batting.shtml
He’s been as aggressive as any hitter in the game, and the results are still what they are. Maybe it’s the mechanics, not the approach, but fiddling with a successful hitter’s mechanics at this point is probably not worth the headache.
by R.J. Anderson on Jul 23, 2011 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions
yea I heard that on the radio the other day and was suprised
because that isn’t the approach they are supposed to be taking, so I wonder if there is a rift or maybe I am completely wrong. Again I’m not blaming Shelton specifically (I know probably shouldn’t have said Shelton’d than) but more the philosophy in terms of Upton in particular. I think BJ’s biggest flaw is his pitch recognition, he seems to guess a lot up there and swings at a lot of pitches out of the zone and take a lot in the zone.
Really going to miss Upton and all the mistakes he makes over and over and over
That and his willingness to sign an extention.
You're the worst
Maddon's Mission
Make you want to kill him, then make you want to love him. Sly.
by Jonah Keri on Jun 19, 2010 10:31 PM EDT
Dude, I was thinking the exact same thing.
by DaPriceIsRight on Jul 23, 2011 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Of course you were.
I'll make out with a guy if he knocks it in
by Jason Collette on Jun 11, 2011 9:00 PM CDT
(Kotchman knocked it in)
I guess this comes as a surprise to no one. I'm always lookin' at dude's bods.
by DaPriceIsRight on Jul 23, 2011 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Hey I wouldn't blame you if it meant anything
But look at Sean Rodriguez, guy looks like a HR machine, he has 4 this season.
Under construction
Not that there's anything wrong with that...
I'll make out with a guy if he knocks it in
by Jason Collette on Jun 11, 2011 9:00 PM CDT
(Kotchman knocked it in)
Exactly. I'm just a bro mirin other bros. We do it all the time on BB.com
by DaPriceIsRight on Jul 23, 2011 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions
What's so awful about a community full of bro's??
by DaPriceIsRight on Jul 23, 2011 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions
So just think OTTOTD?
Maddon's Mission
Make you want to kill him, then make you want to love him. Sly.
by Jonah Keri on Jun 19, 2010 10:31 PM EDT
Not many bro's on this site excluding Hatfield and myself
by DaPriceIsRight on Jul 23, 2011 2:06 PM EDT up reply actions
/hurt
by Ryan Gilliss on Jul 23, 2011 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions
There may be other bros on here, but just don't advertise it as much.
I’m sure Vin is a bro
by DaPriceIsRight on Jul 23, 2011 2:11 PM EDT up reply actions
I actually shop there too.
Prices beat the shit out of anything in-store. Especially GNC.
Fuck GNC.
I'll make out with a guy if he knocks it in
by Jason Collette on Jun 11, 2011 9:00 PM CDT
(Kotchman knocked it in)
They ship overseas too.
Which was awesome when I was deployed.
I'll make out with a guy if he knocks it in
by Jason Collette on Jun 11, 2011 9:00 PM CDT
(Kotchman knocked it in)
That's what he's referring too, we picked up the bill.
Maddon's Mission
Make you want to kill him, then make you want to love him. Sly.
by Jonah Keri on Jun 19, 2010 10:31 PM EDT
BangBros.com
Maddon's Mission
Make you want to kill him, then make you want to love him. Sly.
by Jonah Keri on Jun 19, 2010 10:31 PM EDT
He looks kinda like arod
by benderbrodriguez on Jul 23, 2011 5:44 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
BJ is becoming Mike Cameron
Great glove, will hit 20 HR’s and steal 30+ bases a year. But he’ll hit .240-.250 and KO 140+ times a year.
Not bad numbers for a CF’er if you can surround him with guys like Ichiro, Edgar Martinez, A-Rod, John Olerude, Barry Larkin, Adrian Gonzalez, Mike Piazza, David Wright, Carlos Beltren, Prince Fielder, and Ryan Braun. He could be a solid, if not spectacular player, when he wasn’t counted on to be the main man. Upton, has the misfortune of being expected to be more than that as a Ray(from the fans and maybe management) and he has not(and maybe never will) live up to that playing here.
And now that he is heading into the area of getting paid 6-8+ million, the financial risk(especially if he were to sign a long term contract here), along with the presence of Jennings(or someone else) and maybe some sentiment from the FO that he may not become much better, may mean the time has come to move him.
Actually, Mike Cameron is what he should strive to be at this point
I'm not a fanboy, I'm a _______
by Jason Collette on Jul 23, 2011 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Right.
You have to accept the realities of life and the context of the Rays depth chart. The marginal difference between Upton and Jennings, or Upton and Guyer, just isn’t worth the marginal cost.
by R.J. Anderson on Jul 23, 2011 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Which is why he will be moved
I'm not a fanboy, I'm a _______
by Jason Collette on Jul 23, 2011 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Verizon trying to sell me shit on FiOS every time I hit my DVR button, motherfuck stop.
Maddon's Mission
Make you want to kill him, then make you want to love him. Sly.
by Jonah Keri on Jun 19, 2010 10:31 PM EDT
Bruce is out of the lineup again, as is Ramon Hernandez
Both having their 2nd day off in a row.
Make up rumors time.
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I don't know what that would be like
living in a world where SRQ doesn’t make fun of me.
I say if we get Bruce, the joeybw hate should just dissapeer
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They aren't trading him in a deal where B.J. Upton is the main piece anyways.
by R.J. Anderson on Jul 23, 2011 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions
My wife has an inner ear infection
Okay, who gets this reference?
Vroom vroom party starter
www.raysprospects.com
by Imperialism32 on Jul 23, 2011 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Is Corky Miller available via trade?
Gotta love a guy named Corky
I'm not a fanboy, I'm a _______
by Jason Collette on Jul 23, 2011 2:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Wow, much happened last night
after I went to sleep.
My first dumb question of the day:
Why not DFA Ruggs?
He's our new gentleman of leisure
I'm not a fanboy, I'm a _______
by Jason Collette on Jul 23, 2011 2:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Give Brignac steady work, keep Ruggiano around for depth purposes.
Rodriguez at short means Ruggiano can play RF versus lefties.
by R.J. Anderson on Jul 23, 2011 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Was hoping Joyce would just play lefties rest of the way, see how he does over a lot of AB's
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I'm no fancy pants mlb big city poster
and ruggs has had a few nice AB’s but I think his time should be up. You’ve got 2 #5 OFers with him and Fuld and I’d give the nod (slightly) to Fuld.
Fuld .301 wOBA/.126 ISO/WAR 1.2/UZR/150 17.6
Ruggs .296 wOBA/.135 ISO/0.4 WAR/UZR/150 25.6
Might include him in a trade or lose him but I don’t see him as a crucial piece in the future so why keep him around?
- DaPriceIsRight
by Ryan Gilliss on Jul 23, 2011 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions
wtf is he doing there?
That doesn’t say best hitters, it says best LF’ers. Would think defense would matter,
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You hugged me.
It was such a glorious day.
I'll make out with a guy if he knocks it in
by Jason Collette on Jun 11, 2011 9:00 PM CDT
(Kotchman knocked it in)
BB is the best player I've ever seen, and it's not even close...
But I think an argument could be made for Williams. TW’s peak 3 years in terms of wOBA were 565,525,and 524 and BB’s were 546, 539, and 538. Pretty damn impressive…
wonder if Andrew Friedman called up DJ
to make it appear as if a BJ deal was imminent, and increase his value to other teams. because some of these roster moves are rather interesting…
That's agood point...
Olney reported that more clubs are showing interest, so maybe that was his motive to hopefully work up a deal for Upton sooner rather than later.
by TheBeckMan23 on Jul 23, 2011 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, if the perception a deal is near...
Maybe another team will up the ante.
earlier is better than later
I don’t know what we’ll get in terms of value though.
What a nice guy
@SamFuld5 Sam Fuld
Didn’t know I’d get the extreme close-up last night…sorry to all the lip readers out there. Not my best night.
First time I have ever seen Sam get angry.
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Not sure how he still plays every night
This fanbase would go nuts though if he didn’t
by Dome Biscuit on Jul 23, 2011 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions
he wont anymore
he is pretty much in a 3 way platoon with Joyce/Ruggiano in RF. The way I understood the comments from Maddon and Co. is Jennings is here to play LF.
I don't know how Fuld fits in now
Seems like the perfect time to let Joyce play everyday and see what he does but it wont happen and against a lefty, you would figure it would be Ruggiano in there. Guess you never know with Maddon. Go Jennings – Upton – Joyce unless we trade Upton of course, please
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Pinch runner...
defensive replacement for Joyce and Ruggs?
by Ryan Gilliss on Jul 23, 2011 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions
With a RH bat in LF and CF now...Fuld fits in great
I'm not a fanboy, I'm a _______
by Jason Collette on Jul 23, 2011 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions
And yet, like he has many times this year
Watch him take AB’s over fellow lefty, Joyce.
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yes, where as Ruggiano doesn't fit in at all
if you desperately don’t want Joyce in vs a LHP you can play EJ at SS Srod at 2B and Zoby in RF, however unless they never plan on letting Joyce play vs LHP, I’d rather give him as many AB’s as possible against them.
Since we don't have a real SS anyway
The lefty lineup should have Sean at SS, Ben at 2B and Joyce and Jennings in the corners. Gotta see what Joyce can do one of these decades.
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How many rookies have played this season?
This includes Hellickson, McGee, Johnson and anyone else who has been in the majors before but is a rookie.
I have it at 12
Jeremy Hellickson
Alex Cobb
Alex Torres
Brandon Guyer
Desmond Jennings
Elliot Johnson
Jake McGee
Dane De La Rosa
Brandon Gomes
Rob Delaney
Robinson Chirinos
Jose Lobaton
Dayum
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Man I hate this silence on the trade front.
Havent had anything new in like forever.
No matter how much they are hyped, my teams always find a way to disappoint.
The silence is usually a bigger sign that were making a trade
then are the constant rumors. If you keep hearing rumors about a guy being dealt from the Rays, odds are, he isn’t being dealt.
Upton is likely to go, Shields is staying.
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"When they are pitching you inside, just take roids"
I think he can give his lessons over a text.
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He would give this team a bunch of roids
then rat us out to the media.
No matter how much they are hyped, my teams always find a way to disappoint.
by thedudeofdudes on Jul 23, 2011 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Guess who isn't in CF for the Cards again
He must love La Russa more and more every day
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Rasmus benched... AGAIN.
Maddon's Mission
Make you want to kill him, then make you want to love him. Sly.
by Jonah Keri on Jun 19, 2010 10:31 PM EDT
BULLSHIT I POSTED THIS BEFORE JOEY, FUCK
Maddon's Mission
Make you want to kill him, then make you want to love him. Sly.
by Jonah Keri on Jun 19, 2010 10:31 PM EDT
You rest well
Maddon's Mission
Make you want to kill him, then make you want to love him. Sly.
by Jonah Keri on Jun 19, 2010 10:31 PM EDT
One Minute Man
Follow Me on Twitter @FreeZorilla
by FreeZorilla on Jul 23, 2011 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
btw, plate appearances in AAA before getting to the majors for good
Desmond is the 4th blue bar behind BJ, Vernon Wells, and Betemit
I'm not a fanboy, I'm a _______
Amazing how Upton seems like he's been up here forever anyway
I remember him in AAA a lot trying to learn SS, didn’t quite work.
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for his age , he absolutely has been here forever.
10 years since we drafted him next june.
by Peter Piontek on Jul 23, 2011 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Upton is in the clubhouse but still no lineup announced
Royals announced their lineup hours ago. I will go out on a limb here though and say Upton will be starting.
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.
TBO_Rays TBO_Rays
Anwar: #Rays lineup 1) Jennings LF, 2) Damon DH, 3) Zobrist RF, 4) Longoria 3B, 5) Upton CF
I do this for free
I guess Maddon doesn't care that Kotch is hitting lefties better than anyone in the lineup
At least I think he is.
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Sarcasm, I think.
If not, Kotch has the lowest OPS v. LHP of any Rays batter with 50+ PA this season: http://www.fangraphs.com/winss.aspx?team=Rays&pos=all&stats=bat&qual=50&type=1&season=2011&month=13&season1=2011
by R.J. Anderson on Jul 23, 2011 4:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, lets go with sarcasm
Wow, I fail again. Thought he was much better than that against lefties.
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I think it was Damon's idea to hit leadoff and he loved it
Wonder how he feels about the rookie taking the spot.
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Why you gotta hate on the guy who is always smiling?
Well our version. You can hate Cano and his smiling all you want.
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KIPNIS
Maddon's Mission
Make you want to kill him, then make you want to love him. Sly.
by Jonah Keri on Jun 19, 2010 10:31 PM EDT
Besides Kipnis,who do the Indians have in their system?
No matter how much they are hyped, my teams always find a way to disappoint.
by thedudeofdudes on Jul 23, 2011 4:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Chisenhall, Pomeranz their other top pieces
I'm not a fanboy, I'm a _______
by Jason Collette on Jul 23, 2011 4:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Well I mean
prospects they would actually trade for Upton. I doubt they would trade Kipnis, Chisenhall, or Pomeranz from what I have read.
No matter how much they are hyped, my teams always find a way to disappoint.
by thedudeofdudes on Jul 23, 2011 4:15 PM EDT up reply actions
The commenters over on their SBN site said they would be fine with departing with Kipnis
They want to build a package around him
by DaPriceIsRight on Jul 23, 2011 4:16 PM EDT up reply actions
If they would trade Kipnis for Upton
I would do that.
No matter how much they are hyped, my teams always find a way to disappoint.
by thedudeofdudes on Jul 23, 2011 4:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh?
Personally, though I really like Kipnis, I’d be willing to build a package around him if it meant acquiring a guy like Pence
I’m still on the Garza train, and would probably give up Kipnis for him. Outside of that though, I don’t get all the "let’s unload him" talk
Just briefly skimmed thru that FunPost (h/t Hatfield) and though they aren’t BJ directly related, it’s still a couple of people who would be willing to depart with him.
by DaPriceIsRight on Jul 23, 2011 4:38 PM EDT up reply actions
A couple of people
In no way represent the entire community, who in turn, let’s remember, do not come close to representing the Cleveland Indians front office. So it’s all moot anyway.
Personally, I don’t want to do a trade that gives away anyone on the verge of contributing to what should be a competitive 2012 team. We’re playoff-capable but not that great, so we’ll need all the young pieces we can hang onto for next season.
Interest in Upton both surprises and intrigues me. I bet Kipnis would be more or less the cost. I don’t think I’m comfortable with that.
Steel Nick
We're prospect whores, I think we would take anything regardless of position.
by DaPriceIsRight on Jul 23, 2011 4:45 PM EDT up reply actions
In that case,
we have a lot of depth. I think they could do it without giving up their top guys if you don’t care about position.
The fact that you don’t need pitching kind of hurts.
Steel Nick
What do you think would be fair deal for Upton with your farm system?
by DaPriceIsRight on Jul 23, 2011 4:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Would you take Phelps and Washington?
"I want to be playing at the end of October or the end of September -- not just at the beginning of April." —Grady
LOL, Levon
I focus on money my hands touch
If that right there don’t add up
I gotta let you know your math sucks
You don’t ever talk to a calculator
You don’t get caught with an ounce of paper
Every convo is about a favour
I have no idea how to properly place value on BJ.
It’s easy for an opposing GM to point out any number of sub-par numbers and “issues,” but we all know what he’s capable of. Depends on what kind of a negotiator the GM is, I guess.
Steel Nick
We need to find a way to do a few things
1. Make an offer that gets us Chris Perez
2. Make Longoria fix his hair
3. Have Chris Perez get the wild thing look
4. Give him the wild thing intro music.
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I don't want any relief pitchers? Just run with the guys we have now, we're already out of it. Isn't Perez a FA anyways after this year?
Maddon's Mission
Make you want to kill him, then make you want to love him. Sly.
by Jonah Keri on Jun 19, 2010 10:31 PM EDT
First sentence shouldn't be a question
Maddon's Mission
Make you want to kill him, then make you want to love him. Sly.
by Jonah Keri on Jun 19, 2010 10:31 PM EDT
Perez
is nowhere near FA
"I want to be playing at the end of October or the end of September -- not just at the beginning of April." —Grady
Misread cot's contracts I guess
Maddon's Mission
Make you want to kill him, then make you want to love him. Sly.
by Jonah Keri on Jun 19, 2010 10:31 PM EDT
1) Cannot imagine they'd deal him for Upton
2) No. His arm and range don’t play there.
by R.J. Anderson on Jul 23, 2011 4:11 PM EDT up reply actions
If we get a top 50 or so prospect I'll be happy.
by R.J. Anderson on Jul 23, 2011 4:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Satistifed, at least.
Not going to be overly happy to see Upton leave. Just glad for the return and Jennings.
by R.J. Anderson on Jul 23, 2011 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Doesn't Cleveland need SP too?
LETS GET A HUGE SUPER DEAL WITH ONE OF OUR SP’S THROWN IN
by DaPriceIsRight on Jul 23, 2011 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Let's get LeVon Washington back so everyone who badmouthed him suddenly backs off those words.
by R.J. Anderson on Jul 23, 2011 4:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Is that what system he's in? looooooooooool
by DaPriceIsRight on Jul 23, 2011 4:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Baseball ref says yes. 226/341/310
That’s a nice slg % right thur
by DaPriceIsRight on Jul 23, 2011 4:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Goldstein's preseason top 20:
Five-Star Prospects
1. Jason Kipnis, 2B
2. Lonnie Chisenhall, 3B
Four-Star Prospects
3. Drew Pomeranz, LHP
4. Alex White, RHP
Three-Star Prospects
5. LeVon Washington, OF
6. Nick Weglarz, OF
7. Joe Gardner, RHP
8. Jason Knapp, RHP
9. Tony Wolters, SS
10. Cord Phelps, 2B/3B
11. Kyle Blair, RHP
Nine More:
12. Bryce Stowell, RH
13. Alex Lavisky, C
14. Nick Hagadone, LHP
15. Austin Adams, RHP
16. Zach Putnam, RHP
17. Jess Todd, RHP
18. Jordan Henry, OF
19. Tyler Holt, OF
20. T.J. House, LHP
by R.J. Anderson on Jul 23, 2011 4:21 PM EDT up reply actions
What's the report on those Pomeranz and White fellas?
by DaPriceIsRight on Jul 23, 2011 4:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Todd is no longer with CLE, was lost on waivers to NYY
by R.J. Anderson on Jul 23, 2011 4:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Opinion on Phelps?
I see he’s down on that list but when he was in the bigs earlier, saw some nice swings from him. See any future there?
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Big league future sure.
Probably just a bench player here though.
by R.J. Anderson on Jul 23, 2011 4:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Knapp is also done with shoulder troubles
I'm not a fanboy, I'm a _______
by Jason Collette on Jul 23, 2011 4:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Ken Rosenthal is saying the Indians are interested in Upton.
Says he WILL be traded
Maddon's Mission
Make you want to kill him, then make you want to love him. Sly.
by Jonah Keri on Jun 19, 2010 10:31 PM EDT
I heard that...
With how definitive he said it, it better be true, or we should twitter bomb him… or have Jay Glazer kick his ass
lol
On July 23, 2011 B.J. was traded to the Philadelphia Phillies.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/B.J.Upton
Maddon's Mission
Make you want to kill him, then make you want to love him. Sly.
by Jonah Keri on Jun 19, 2010 10:31 PM EDT
Just came here to post this
Matthew 4 hours ago
i really hope the braves get upton. even though he has an attitude problem, he would be great for the braves
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Unless we got Kipnis,
I would rather trade with a team like the Braves or Phillies over Cleveland. I just dont like many of the guys they might have available.
No matter how much they are hyped, my teams always find a way to disappoint.
Footbaw lockout is over
Maddon's Mission
Make you want to kill him, then make you want to love him. Sly.
by Jonah Keri on Jun 19, 2010 10:31 PM EDT
They're agreeing to vote on monday apparently. FA starts Wednesday. Lockout isn't technically over, but who cares about technicalities.
Maddon's Mission
Make you want to kill him, then make you want to love him. Sly.
by Jonah Keri on Jun 19, 2010 10:31 PM EDT
On Fox during cinci/atlanta game
They said Dan uggla has more HR’s in his 1st 5 seasons then any infielder in mlb history, other then Pujols. I thought that sounded bs, and the 1st player I googled(Prince Fielder) has more. Buncha clowns….
Cozart just got hurt.
Add Brignac to Shields and maybe they reconsider Merosaco and Alonso and another B prospect.
Don't think Alonso is going to be a high-impact bat.
Depends on whether his power burst this year is real.
@ptSuttery
I was trying to figure out which Hobbit you/myself and bro hatfield are
Dobber is a troll
I do this for free
Kenny Williams is kind of a dope and likes him some black players
What about a Upton for Viciedo deal?
Why wasn't this happening a while ago
SPTimesRays Marc Topkin
#Rays Maddon says Jennings is here to stay this season, will get chance to play pretty much every day
I do this for free
Sounds like Briggy won't be back up.
I'll make out with a guy if he knocks it in
by Jason Collette on Jun 11, 2011 9:00 PM CDT
(Kotchman knocked it in)
Cajun God of Baseball.
I'll make out with a guy if he knocks it in
by Jason Collette on Jun 11, 2011 9:00 PM CDT
(Kotchman knocked it in)
package him with BOSS and Moore.
send all my fave players away. this way I’ll only have TBex and Deezy and JP to root for. basically will be as much as I root for Cincinatti
Passan's got the jew thing going for him
Fits in perfectly for the 2017 Brooklyn Rays
PIZZA?!?
by Transplanted on Jul 23, 2011 6:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Any chance we could
get Gary Brown in an Upton trade with San Fran?
No matter how much they are hyped, my teams always find a way to disappoint.
You racist dawg
No matter how much they are hyped, my teams always find a way to disappoint.
by thedudeofdudes on Jul 23, 2011 10:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Watching Knights vs. Bats on MILB and got Reds vs. Braves on TV
hear a dude reacting to what just happened in the Braves/Reds game at the minor league game. LULZ
I do this for free
Definitely doing better than I thought he would, but I am still not that impressed
I watched him three times last year and he looked awful. Weak contact, slower than I imagined, ok defense. Hak Ju was the best player on the field that I saw this year. Beckham was average
by Dome Biscuit on Jul 23, 2011 6:59 PM EDT up reply actions
As long as he doesn't go backwards
That’s a good player the Rays will still have
PIZZA?!?
by Transplanted on Jul 23, 2011 7:04 PM EDT up reply actions
It's @ 7:10
And I can’t open the GDT because it’s set to 8:10
PIZZA?!?
by Transplanted on Jul 23, 2011 7:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Jennings>Upton
Upton lovers out there want to tell us again on why he shouldn’t be traded!
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