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Report: Jays Acquire Colby Rasmus for Nothing, Solidify Spot as Rays' No. 1 Foil

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This is still developing as we speak, but from all reports, it sounds like the Blue Jays are close to trading for Edwin Jackson and then flipping him to the Cardinals for Colby Rasmus. The whole thing looks a little something like this:

Edwin Jackson and Mark Teahen ------> Jason Frasor and Zach Stewart

And then: Edwin Jackon + (something) ------> Colby Rasmus 

Although for all we know, the Cardinals could still want more back for Rasmus; that part of the deal isn't finalized yet. But regardless, it appears as though the Blue Jays have just acquired Rasmus for one reliever and one pitching prospect not ranked in Baseball America's preseason Top 100 list. Sure, they have to take on a bit of payroll in Teahen, but they just snagged a 3 Win centerfielder for peanuts. What a steal.

Under GM Alex Anthopoulos, the Blue Jays have quickly become a foil for the Rays. They stole countless relievers this offseason that the Rays were interested in, and they've made a collection of very smart trades recently. While the Jays are having a disappointing season this year, toiling away at in fourth place (51-52 record), they've put together a competitive team that could challenge for a playoff spot any year now.

So I'm torn. On one hand, this is just what the Rays don't want -- another competitive, well run franchise in the AL East. But on the other hand, this is really fun. I love watching other teams make smart moves, and a part of me is looking forward to Andrew Friedman having a low-budget nemesis to battle against in the AL East. This could make for a really brainy rivalry for years to come.

One last note: for all those out there wondering if the Rays could have gotten Rasmus for this price, stop worrying about it. Apparently the Rays offered he Cardinals Cobb, Niemann, or Davis for Rasmus, but the Cardinals chose to go with Jackson instead. And I can't blame them -- Jackson is currently the best pitcher of all these three (3.0 WAR, 3.21 FIP) and since the Cardinals have a larger payroll, they can afford to pay his salary. Maybe the Rays could have tried doing some three-way deal like the Jays, but my guess is the Cardinals would have instead insisted on one of the Rays' better pitching prospects being included instead.

So it goes. Congrats to Anthopoulos for pulling off a sweet trade; now here's hoping Friedman can one-up him.

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Davis, not David

And friedman won’t pull off a better trade.

@dobbertweets

by blackraven on Jul 27, 2011 12:38 PM EDT reply actions  

Thanks.

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by Steve Slowinski on Jul 27, 2011 12:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Glad Rasmus is not on St. Louis anymore. Not worth the headache.

"You miss 100% of the shots you don't take"- Wayne Gretzky"- Michael Scott

by jackhammerslam on Jul 27, 2011 12:42 PM EDT reply actions  

BEST FANS IN BASEBALL

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by Top Gun Numba 1 on Jul 27, 2011 12:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

I can't be upset that a player is being a diva?

"You miss 100% of the shots you don't take"- Wayne Gretzky"- Michael Scott

by jackhammerslam on Jul 27, 2011 1:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

If anyone is being a diva, it's La Russa. WAAAAAAAAAAH he's getting outside coaching, old man is butthurt, and because of him you just sold low on a nice OFer.

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by Jonah Keri on Jun 19, 2010 10:31 PM EDT

by Doug09 on Jul 27, 2011 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Like I don't know that?

"You miss 100% of the shots you don't take"- Wayne Gretzky"- Michael Scott

by jackhammerslam on Jul 27, 2011 1:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

You will regret trading him

A-rod's salary? 30 Million, Evan Longoria's? 1M, god i love life as a rays fan

by RaysOfHope on Jul 27, 2011 12:54 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Its not like I don't know what he's worth. Geez.

"You miss 100% of the shots you don't take"- Wayne Gretzky"- Michael Scott

by jackhammerslam on Jul 27, 2011 1:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

HE DOES NOT REPRESENT US

Free Tyler Greene - Secretary of WAR and defense.

by vivaelpujols on Jul 27, 2011 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

just wait until Toronto graduates from "small market team" too

Toronto is 4th largest city north of Mexico. Only NY, LA, and Chicago are bigger.

by SamRay on Jul 27, 2011 12:45 PM EDT reply actions  

Small market

They have said that they will spend the money when the time is right. That time could be coming soon unfortunately.

by lovemethebj on Jul 27, 2011 12:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

yep

I.m from Canada(2 hours outside of Toronto) and all 162 games are televised nationally on the Rogers sports network!

by lovemethebj on Jul 27, 2011 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

It would make sense for the Jays to make inroads into the Buffalo area as well.

Perhaps by picking up the Bisons as an affiliate. It’s only 1.2 million people, but that would be a strong addition to the fan base.

by Patrick L. Kennedy on Jul 27, 2011 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Shocked that for as small as it is.

Buffalo is still a two-sport town. Even more shocking is that they were considered a contender for an expansion team two decades ago.

by Patrick L. Kennedy on Jul 27, 2011 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

They've lost a ton of population, but between longtime fans and several universities in the area it's a rabid fanbase

I actually think fans in areas with 2-3 teams are much bigger fans because they can commit to certain teams and just latch on.

@SandyKazmir

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by Sandy Kazmir on Jul 27, 2011 4:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

I know...
I actually think fans in areas with 2-3 teams are much bigger fans because they can commit to certain teams and just latch on.

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by Ryan Gilliss on Jul 27, 2011 4:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Weak weak weak

We could have easily offered a better package

by Sveet on Jul 27, 2011 12:45 PM EDT reply actions  

depends

on who else is going to StL, plus who would we trade that would def pitch better than EJ this year? It sounds like that was StL’s plan..

by SamRay on Jul 27, 2011 12:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

oof
Assuming that the Jackson/Rzepczynski/Dotel for Rasmus deal is done,at year’s end,STL will have a lefty reliever/draft pick for Colby Rasmus

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by Jason Collette on Jul 27, 2011 12:48 PM EDT reply actions  

Seems like they're gunning hard for the division this season.

Only way Jackson makes more sense is if they highly value the present.

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by Steve Slowinski on Jul 27, 2011 12:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hmm, that's possible.

Good point, that adds some extra oomph to the “win now” idea.

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by Steve Slowinski on Jul 27, 2011 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

SCREW EVERYONE

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by Jonah Keri on Jun 19, 2010 10:31 PM EDT

by Doug09 on Jul 27, 2011 12:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

I still don't get not discussing a Shields deal

Sure, he’s a bargain but will our offense really be that much better in 2012 or even 2013?

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by Imperialism32 on Jul 27, 2011 12:50 PM EDT reply actions  

Damn nice move by toronto

There offense is scary, I bey lawrie is up soon

A-rod's salary? 30 Million, Evan Longoria's? 1M, god i love life as a rays fan

by RaysOfHope on Jul 27, 2011 12:51 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

They get some pitching

Then im scared of them

A-rod's salary? 30 Million, Evan Longoria's? 1M, god i love life as a rays fan

by RaysOfHope on Jul 27, 2011 12:56 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Shut up larussa

Your a dumb fuck

A-rod's salary? 30 Million, Evan Longoria's? 1M, god i love life as a rays fan

by RaysOfHope on Jul 27, 2011 12:57 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Is Colby Rasmus better than Curtis Granderson?

Is Colby Rasmus better than Jacoby Ellsbury?
Is Colby Rasmus better than Adam Jones?

They're not just hitting home runs. They're doing the little things, like hitting doubles.

by Torgen on Jul 27, 2011 12:56 PM EDT reply actions  

What?

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by Jonah Keri on Jun 19, 2010 10:31 PM EDT

by Doug09 on Jul 27, 2011 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

A 3 win CF is about 4 wins better than what the Jays have been throwing out there

but about 3-4 wins less than what the Yanks/Sox have.

They're not just hitting home runs. They're doing the little things, like hitting doubles.

by Torgen on Jul 27, 2011 1:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Olney says Beltran to Braves looking better.

Giants interested in BJ

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by sc_monsta1015 on Jul 27, 2011 12:56 PM EDT reply actions  

Who cares.

Once Nnamdi to the Jets goes through, I’m not following sports anymore.

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by Jonah Keri on Jun 19, 2010 10:31 PM EDT

by Doug09 on Jul 27, 2011 12:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Good luck with that

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by sc_monsta1015 on Jul 27, 2011 12:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Would could we get from the giants?

Wheeler?

A-rod's salary? 30 Million, Evan Longoria's? 1M, god i love life as a rays fan

by RaysOfHope on Jul 27, 2011 12:59 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

He's not on the table for Beltran so no

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by Imperialism32 on Jul 27, 2011 1:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wheeler or Brown should not be available from the Giants

They’re idiots if they deal either for Beltran

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by Jason Collette on Jul 27, 2011 1:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

So I guess they are idiots

according to reports

No matter how much they are hyped, my teams always find a way to disappoint.

by thedudeofdudes on Jul 27, 2011 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Cardinals are so god damn stupid.

This just ruined my day, and I don’t even like Rasmus that much.

Jennings, please!

by SandalsNoPants on Jul 27, 2011 1:00 PM EDT reply actions  

man, I'd kill for that for Upton
“It’s believed” that there was a deal for Cosart/Singleton/other for Pence. And Wade backed away. http://es.pn/ptHlkz (via @JaysonStark)

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by Jason Collette on Jul 27, 2011 1:00 PM EDT reply actions  

AKA, someone called Philly up and imitated Wade's voice after tying him up

Call Philly up and say BJ and Farnsy for those two. Hell, sub May for Cosart if you want. If Philly has those guys on the table, jeez.

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by Imperialism32 on Jul 27, 2011 1:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

...Wait, had it in my head that Wade was still Philly's guy

Please call Amaro and hard-sell him BJ

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by Imperialism32 on Jul 27, 2011 1:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Pence is better and has more years left

A-rod's salary? 30 Million, Evan Longoria's? 1M, god i love life as a rays fan

by RaysOfHope on Jul 27, 2011 1:06 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

That's why we're throwing in Farnsy :)

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by Imperialism32 on Jul 27, 2011 1:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Welp.
The trade: Colby Rasmus, Trever Miller, Brian Tallet and P.J. Walters for Jackson, Marc Rzepczynski, Dotel and Corey Patterson

Sign lady must die.
#rootingforstusbottomline

by EminenceFront on Jul 27, 2011 1:05 PM EDT reply actions  

Needs more lefty relievers

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by Imperialism32 on Jul 27, 2011 1:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Lol patterson sucks

A-rod's salary? 30 Million, Evan Longoria's? 1M, god i love life as a rays fan

by RaysOfHope on Jul 27, 2011 1:08 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

I'm not mad just because the Rays didn't get him.

i’m mad because it’s a shit trade, and I have irrational love for Rasmus. I don’t want him in the division.
There is no way the Cards couldn’t have done better than this.

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by MikeB. on Jul 27, 2011 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ahahahaha

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Make you want to kill him, then make you want to love him. Sly.

by Jonah Keri on Jun 19, 2010 10:31 PM EDT

by Doug09 on Jul 27, 2011 1:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Duh.

Sign lady must die.
#rootingforstusbottomline

by EminenceFront on Jul 27, 2011 1:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Fire him for signing Dunn then

Or Pierre.

Or trading for shit.

Or giving up Daniel Hudson.

Or anything he’s ever done is his god damn career.

Jennings, please!

by SandalsNoPants on Jul 27, 2011 1:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

How the hell did he win,a world series

A-rod's salary? 30 Million, Evan Longoria's? 1M, god i love life as a rays fan

by RaysOfHope on Jul 27, 2011 1:14 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Because he wouldn't have unloaded Mark Teahen then!!!

And he already has the awesome Alex Rios in CF!!!

I love Casey Fossum. Now try and take me seriously. -- @steveslow

by Steve Slowinski on Jul 27, 2011 1:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Clearly MLB has screwed the Rays from day 1

Now do the right thing and get them out of the ALE

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by sternfan1 on Jul 27, 2011 1:09 PM EDT reply actions  

but will he? Note how he saw the writing

on the wall and moved his precious Brewers out of the ALE

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by sternfan1 on Jul 27, 2011 1:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Love what the Jays are doing

Beam us up, Sterny.

Although it would almost be worth sticking around the ALE if just once the Rays and Jays both finished ahead of the Yankees and Sox.

Your source for replacement level commentary

by RATW on Jul 27, 2011 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

This could happen as early as next season.

I don’t care about being in the ALE personally. But, realignment is probably going to happen which means there won’t even BE an ALE in a couple of years.

by M.J.R. on Jul 27, 2011 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Um
But on the other hand, this is really fun. I love watching other teams make smart moves, and a part of me is looking forward to Andrew Friedman having a low-budget nemesis to battle against in the AL East

To which I say:

Private Joker… I
like honesty. I like you. You can come over to
my house and fuck my sister

by GomesSweetGomes on Jul 27, 2011 1:12 PM EDT reply actions  

Also Toronto isn't low budget

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by Top Gun Numba 1 on Jul 27, 2011 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm afraid of this happening

And just staying stuck in the holding pattern

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by Imperialism32 on Jul 27, 2011 1:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

3rd, 4th, 5th

at this point who cares?

I’m sorry I’d like this season to just be over already.

by BenZorbist on Jul 27, 2011 1:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree

but place in standings is irrelevant.

(at least to me)

by BenZorbist on Jul 27, 2011 1:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Me too.

But I would like to move pieces that don’t fit going forward, while value and demand is still high.

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by MikeB. on Jul 27, 2011 1:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

+1

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by Imperialism32 on Jul 27, 2011 1:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

RT @TBrownYahoo: Looks like Beltran is indeed going to SF, according to source. Logistics being worked out.

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by Jason Collette on Jul 27, 2011 1:17 PM EDT reply actions  

Let the Beej sweepstakes begin

Not surprised SanFran got him. They needed him most and had the best pieces.

by BenZorbist on Jul 27, 2011 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

not a bad idea but Teheran isn't moving

esp with Lowe on his way out.

I don’t want Mike Minor either.

by BenZorbist on Jul 27, 2011 1:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

I like Delgado and Vizcaino

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by Imperialism32 on Jul 27, 2011 1:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Why?

You really think we will get better offense for around 6 million on the open market?

by GomesSweetGomes on Jul 27, 2011 1:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

We have Guyer and Jennings for 2012

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by Imperialism32 on Jul 27, 2011 1:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

But BJ will be great?

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by Imperialism32 on Jul 27, 2011 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

He is a known commodity with upside

Guyer is just one year younger, and has never proven anything at the MLB level.

by GomesSweetGomes on Jul 27, 2011 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Upside and a .307 OBP

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by Imperialism32 on Jul 27, 2011 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

vs.167 for Guyer

(I know what your response to this will be, and its kind of my point)

by GomesSweetGomes on Jul 27, 2011 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

My response will be that I have no idea what your point is

I know you didn’t seriously use 6 PA to make a point so I have no clue

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by Imperialism32 on Jul 27, 2011 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Also, this doesnt even address Guyer's age

He will be a 26 year old prospect next year. I think you are grossly overvaluing his potential contribution.

by GomesSweetGomes on Jul 27, 2011 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

Also, who cares?

I’m pretty sure he’s done developing and that’s fine

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by Imperialism32 on Jul 27, 2011 1:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

He's hurt now

And I’m guessing they want regular playing time for him

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by Imperialism32 on Jul 27, 2011 1:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

why?

he’s essentially moved up one level per year in the minors?

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by Ryan Gilliss on Jul 27, 2011 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

I see all of this as a false choice

Its not Guyer v. Upton

Its Guyer and Upton v. Guyer and a Free Agent to be named later

by GomesSweetGomes on Jul 27, 2011 1:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well I'm not saying trade him for a crappy reliever

But apparently you think Upton’s value is Todd Coffey but also that he should play over Guyer

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by Imperialism32 on Jul 27, 2011 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

No, I'm saying exactly the opposite

If the market has over corrected that we can’t get a decent prospect for him, then we are better off taking our chances with our 26 year old CF “prospect”.

I don’t see the magic free agent out there this winter that can be counted on to do much more than Upton would with the money we’d save by not going to arb with him.

by GomesSweetGomes on Jul 27, 2011 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

I wasn't mentioning Guyer

in relation to Beej. Just evaluating Guyer on the surface. I’m just not sure he’s going to have an impact.

by BenZorbist on Jul 27, 2011 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Won't know till he plays at the MLB level.

He’s killed the ball in Triple A for two straight seasons, he’s a good fielder. The question is whether or not he’ll be disciplined enough against MLB pitching.

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by Suttree on Jul 27, 2011 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

Let's trade BJ and find out

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by Imperialism32 on Jul 27, 2011 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Or not, and still find out

Maddon has the ability to make room for 4 outfielders, particularly if we don’t resign Damon, or want a platoon partner for Kotch.

by GomesSweetGomes on Jul 27, 2011 1:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'd like to see

Kotch traded and Joyce grab a 1B glove.

by BenZorbist on Jul 27, 2011 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

1st base is the biggest problem this team has

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by Top Gun Numba 1 on Jul 27, 2011 1:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

I enjoy that you're not being sarcastic

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by Top Gun Numba 1 on Jul 27, 2011 1:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

Are you serious? If you mean for this year, you're out of your mind, and if you mean going forward 1st base is the easiest position to fill. Get out

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by Top Gun Numba 1 on Jul 27, 2011 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

KOTCH HAS BEEN ABOVE AVERAGE

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by Top Gun Numba 1 on Jul 27, 2011 1:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

It's easy as shit to fill. I'd love to hear what you think is easier to fill?

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by Top Gun Numba 1 on Jul 27, 2011 1:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Is this serious? If you can easily bring in someone for cheap that is above average that isn't a problem position

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by Top Gun Numba 1 on Jul 27, 2011 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

We got lucky with Kotch

Don’t count on that luck continuing after this year.

by M.J.R. on Jul 27, 2011 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

It’s absolutely unexpected. But had he failed I’m sure that more effort would have been put in to get Davis or Branyan or Mo Pena during the year
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by Top Gun Numba 1 on Jul 27, 2011 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions

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by Top Gun Numba 1 on Jul 27, 2011 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well above avg?

OPS for position is .782

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by FreeZorilla on Jul 27, 2011 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

It's absolutely unexpected. But had he failed I'm sure that more effort would have been put in to get Davis or Branyan or Mo Pena during the year

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by Top Gun Numba 1 on Jul 27, 2011 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

What's an easier position to fill Glass you genius?

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by Top Gun Numba 1 on Jul 27, 2011 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

no idea.

i do know that we have nothing internally anywhere near ready with no possible upside plays either unlike our other 2 big needs (ss/c).

by rglass44 on Jul 27, 2011 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

You are an idiot

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by Top Gun Numba 1 on Jul 27, 2011 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Double agreed

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by Imperialism32 on Jul 27, 2011 1:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

This

And Joyce is a butcher in RF imo. I know he’s not prototypical but I think it would work.

by BenZorbist on Jul 27, 2011 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

3.5 fielding last year, -4.8 this year.

Butcher is an exaggeration, but we’re not killing ourselves if he’s moved from RF.

@ptSuttery

by Suttree on Jul 27, 2011 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

what

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by Top Gun Numba 1 on Jul 27, 2011 1:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

I would be OK with this.

But, we won’t get anything for Kotch.

by M.J.R. on Jul 27, 2011 1:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't think we need to trade Beej to find out.

Joyce can spend more time at DH next season. Beej can also sit more against tough RHP.

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by Suttree on Jul 27, 2011 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not sure this matters.

BJ isn’t staying and I think the Rays need to start looking at 2013.

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by MikeB. on Jul 27, 2011 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

some good news

#Rays sign 3rd-rder Johnny Eierman for $550,000. Has tons of athleticism & bat speed, probably an OF. #LSU commit. #mlbdraft

by Dbullsfan on Jul 27, 2011 1:24 PM EDT reply actions  

He might strike out as much as Justin O'Conner

His swing load is HUGE, I can see some real timing issues

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by Imperialism32 on Jul 27, 2011 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Longoria jersey in the background!

:(

He wanted to be a Ray

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by Jonah Keri on Jun 19, 2010 10:31 PM EDT

by Doug09 on Jul 27, 2011 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

LOL WHERE DID YOU FIND THAT

The caller said the boy, after removing the bulb from its socket, left the building and threw the bulb on the ground. When the bulb broke, the caller said the boy screamed "ooooown u poop"

by Top Gun Numba 1 on Jul 27, 2011 1:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

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It looks like Carlos Beltran is indeed going to the Giants, tweets Yahoo’s Tim Brown, with logistics being worked out. Specifically, Brown’s source says that there’s “good likelihood” of Beltran going to the Giants. Just minor details remain, tweets SI’s Jon Heyman. ESPN’s Buster Olney tweets that the two teams are at the one-yard line, while Brown reminds us that a 24-hour waiting period applies.

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by Jonah Keri on Jun 19, 2010 10:31 PM EDT

by Doug09 on Jul 27, 2011 1:28 PM EDT reply actions  

Do the Mets have anything of value?

Maybe they’ll want Beej to fill Beltran’s departure.

I really know absolutely nothing about the Mets this year, though.

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by Suttree on Jul 27, 2011 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

They're in full-on sell mode

No way they’d want Upton

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by Imperialism32 on Jul 27, 2011 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well, the Sports Guy loves this trade for Cardinals so I guess it's not that bad.
Liked the Cards trade. I’m a big fan of Rzepczynski + 2011 Ed Jackson has been sneaky-good. Was hoping Boston would get 1 of them.

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by MikeB. on Jul 27, 2011 1:29 PM EDT reply actions  

This was posted somewhere.

In the Cardinals defense, Edwin has become a very good pitcher.

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by Suttree on Jul 27, 2011 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm not the one with a shitty work computer.

Sounds like you fucked up in life. Oh well, enjoy the slow march to your midlife crisis.

by Patrick L. Kennedy on Jul 27, 2011 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

HP "Elite" book 6930p

Or the equivalent of the “elite” education you are receiving. I look forward to throwing away your resume in 3 years.

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by MikeB. on Jul 27, 2011 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

If your laptop were equivalent to an institution of higher learning.

The instituiton would be a diploma mill. Enjoy being the big fish in your small corporate pond, though.

by Patrick L. Kennedy on Jul 27, 2011 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

I will.

Enjoy your degree from an Instituion of Higher learning that nobody is going to give a shit about. Solid investment.

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by MikeB. on Jul 27, 2011 3:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

I had massive financial aid...

what’s the difference between my benefactors being my parents and yours being some bequeathment?

Fuck PlayOnWords!

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by Ryan Gilliss on Jul 27, 2011 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

None, really.

They both achieve the same ultimate end, but if you’re left to rely on the latter to fund your education, your options are significantly more limited (usually).

by Patrick L. Kennedy on Jul 27, 2011 4:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

And it's great that they do that.

But GW was an extreme outlier for me. No other school I applied to was even close in financial assistance, and so I would likely not have attended any of them despite my acceptance.

by Patrick L. Kennedy on Jul 27, 2011 4:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

One thing about Upton cascade.

This opens up another team that may be looking for a CF.

by rglass44 on Jul 27, 2011 1:40 PM EDT reply actions  

ATL is the team that intrigues me

McLouth really blows.

I’m hoping against hope it’s them and not Wash.

by BenZorbist on Jul 27, 2011 1:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Still hoping for Philly

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by Imperialism32 on Jul 27, 2011 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

Particularly since SF is their greatest threat in the NL

Panic reaction move plz

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by Imperialism32 on Jul 27, 2011 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

Gut feeling

Philly feels pretty good about things and won’t kneejerk.

by BenZorbist on Jul 27, 2011 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

They have no CF and now no C

They’ll want a bat

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by Jason Collette on Jul 27, 2011 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

Cleve might be interesting

because they are looking for pitching also.

Upton + Niems = good return maybe?

by BenZorbist on Jul 27, 2011 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

There will be more trades, and sentiment, like this this week.

The return for “supposedly” good players(like a Rasmus) will be underwhelming compared to what many think is the value of the players involved. It happens every deadline.

Already, there are statements like “stupid trade”..“.weak,weak, weak”…“we could have put a better package together than that”…

Cards wanted to get rid of Rasmus and they got what they wanted in return from the Jays. That is all that matters to GM’s at deadline deals. Time will tell if these are good moves or not. But during these days, teams find other teams that meet each others needs and they make deals.

by budman3 on Jul 27, 2011 1:53 PM EDT reply actions  

This is my concern

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by Imperialism32 on Jul 27, 2011 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

He will be gone one day.

This season, next season, who knows? I hope we get something good for him while we still have leverage.

by M.J.R. on Jul 27, 2011 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

The debate isn't whether or not he's gone.

The debate is whether or not we have enough leverage to get anything worthwhile.

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by Suttree on Jul 27, 2011 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

desperation

is about only leverage they have. We need team to get stupid.

by BenZorbist on Jul 27, 2011 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

disagree that he is not an elite defender.

He is a bad baserunner, but he does steal lots of bases.

by M.J.R. on Jul 27, 2011 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

i think it depends on ur definition of elite.

http://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.aspx?pos=cf&stats=fld&lg=all&qual=900&type=1&season=2011&month=0&season1=2008&ind=0

hes 15th of 52 of all cfs with more than 900 ip since 2008. that’s better than above average and may be elite. a lot of the guys ahead of him arent everyday players too (gwynn, bourjos, etc.).

hes an above average baserunner.

by rglass44 on Jul 27, 2011 2:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

He makes mistakes on the basepaths, though that could be a result of being coached to more "aggressive"

When I said “speed on the basepaths” earlier, I was referring to his base-stealing ability. He could be a 30/30 guy every year.

by M.J.R. on Jul 27, 2011 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, I mean, if he gets on base enough. =p

Some of his base running mistakes are mind blowing, though. Just getting caught not paying attention.

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by Suttree on Jul 27, 2011 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

He's had 40+ SB each of the last 3 years.

He is an elite base-stealer in my opinion. The 30 HR part is the only part of 30/30 that is in question, but he has shown that he has the power, but maybe not the plate discipline.

by M.J.R. on Jul 27, 2011 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

well, he won't be in the Trop soon.

I think he could definitely hit 30 HR in a different park. But, he would have to adjust his approach and I don’t know that I believe he ever will.

by M.J.R. on Jul 27, 2011 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

not really elite anymore

if you look into those stats. His value is down

by BenZorbist on Jul 27, 2011 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Almost certainly Upton will be the next to go.

Especially now that Beltran just set the market. Hopefully Upton returns a similar package.

by Peter Piontek on Jul 27, 2011 1:58 PM EDT reply actions  

Word on the street is Upton will go for more than Beltran.

Just saying.

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by Steve Slowinski on Jul 27, 2011 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

No way, better than Zach Wheeler?

We’re never getting rid of him then.

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by Jonah Keri on Jun 19, 2010 10:31 PM EDT

by Doug09 on Jul 27, 2011 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

What street?

1 Tropicana Dr
St Petersburg FL?

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by Imperialism32 on Jul 27, 2011 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

It's what the major rumor guys were floating out there a couple days ago.

The lack of arb/draft picks hurts Beltran as well.

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by Steve Slowinski on Jul 27, 2011 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

lol

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by Jonah Keri on Jun 19, 2010 10:31 PM EDT

by Doug09 on Jul 27, 2011 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Apparently not.

Obviously you’re an internet jerk off that is incapable of having any sort of conversation. Outside of 2 worded sarcastic shitbag posts. Go get some ass dude.

by Peter Piontek on Jul 27, 2011 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Peter Piontek is the talented, cost-controlled future of this site.

You’re the constantly underacheving, overpaid, and polarizing presence that other sites might still offer a decent package for.

by Patrick L. Kennedy on Jul 27, 2011 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'd have to lean towards daveh.

When he first arrived, he was fantastic. Oozing with potential. Now everybody just wants to get rid of him.

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by Suttree on Jul 27, 2011 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

I've traveled a completely reversed path.

I used to hate his posts and wish he’d be left banned, but he’s becoming more and more amusing. I like having him around as long as he’s not posting grotesque images.

by Patrick L. Kennedy on Jul 27, 2011 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wait and see.

I’m reasonably optimistic. There are still plenty of teams out there looking for a CFer, and just one more on the market.

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by Steve Slowinski on Jul 27, 2011 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Rays can't be unrealistic though

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by Imperialism32 on Jul 27, 2011 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

lol, relievers for Rasmus.

Everyone has their own version of reality.

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by Steve Slowinski on Jul 27, 2011 2:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

But true, I hope they don't oversell their hand.

It’ll be interesting to see how it shakes out and how much other teams value Upton.

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by Steve Slowinski on Jul 27, 2011 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Pence and Upton = 2 guys

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by Imperialism32 on Jul 27, 2011 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Having thought about it some more...

Beltran is the better player, but he is a rental and Upton isn’t. That could tip the scales in BJs favor.

by M.J.R. on Jul 27, 2011 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Upton and Farnsworth for Singleton and May

lock it up imo

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by Imperialism32 on Jul 27, 2011 1:59 PM EDT reply actions  

"Hey, Ruben? It's Andrew."

“Giants just got Beltran, you probably want a bat, huh? And your bullpen’s a little iffy, so how about Upton and Farnsworth for Singleton and Cosart… No, you’re right, Cosart’s really good. Great pick in the 38th round, did I tell you that? How about, I dunno, Trevor May?”

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by Imperialism32 on Jul 27, 2011 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

trade with cincy

trade upton and neimann to cincy for ramon hernandez and alfonzo

by Jose Prince on Jul 27, 2011 2:02 PM EDT reply actions  

Don't do this

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by Imperialism32 on Jul 27, 2011 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

lol

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by Jonah Keri on Jun 19, 2010 10:31 PM EDT

by Doug09 on Jul 27, 2011 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

HOW DID THIS TURN INTO A KOTCH THREAD??

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by Steve Slowinski on Jul 27, 2011 2:05 PM EDT reply actions  

TGN1

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by Jonah Keri on Jun 19, 2010 10:31 PM EDT

by Doug09 on Jul 27, 2011 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

You know what, I've changed my mind.

Beej probably does have similar value to Beltran. I forgot how poor Beltran’s been defensively these past few years.

Obviously he’s killing ti with the bat, but when you look to next season, you’d have to imagine they’ll perform at a similar level and Beej will be much cheaper.

@ptSuttery

by Suttree on Jul 27, 2011 2:16 PM EDT reply actions  

Well, he might be.

But, they’ll have to pay him and play hm in the field. He probably has more value to a team that can DH him regularly.

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by Suttree on Jul 27, 2011 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm not arguing...

just continuing the conversation. I thought you agreed that it’s not unreasonably to expect a deal equal to or better for BJ that the Mets got for Beltran

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by Ryan Gilliss on Jul 27, 2011 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ah. Yes.

Agreed. I don’t think money or the extra year matter to a team like the Giants, who clearly want an impact bat for this season.

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by Suttree on Jul 27, 2011 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think you grossly overestimate Sabean

This is the man who once signed Michael Tucker early to avoid the trouble of paying a signing bonus to a draft pick.

by GomesSweetGomes on Jul 27, 2011 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

B?

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by Jonah Keri on Jun 19, 2010 10:31 PM EDT

by Doug09 on Jul 27, 2011 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Neither right now.

Has an outside shot at B next year, but it’s no lock.

by R.J. Anderson on Jul 27, 2011 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Beltran won't be an anything

Giants can’t even offer him arb

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by Jason Collette on Jul 27, 2011 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah thats exactly what I said.

I’d love for Friedman to get a better haul for BJ than what was got for Beltran. I just don’t see it happening.

by RaysTheRoof on Jul 27, 2011 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

He is better at hitting baseballs than Upton. And that's what matters for a team trying to win right now.

Not one extra year of cost control and a possible of a supplemental pick. SF can always just sign a free agent. Not everyone has to operate under rays limitations.

by RaysTheRoof on Jul 27, 2011 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes I do. You do realize not every team has same limitations as the Rays?

Whatever, I hope I’m proven wrong and we get a top 25 ’spect back for Upton.

by RaysTheRoof on Jul 27, 2011 2:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

"in a day" or so? How about right now??!!
#rays might listen on niemann, davis, damon, kotchman, farnsworth in day or so. Price high on niemann/davis.

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by Jason Collette on Jul 27, 2011 2:26 PM EDT reply actions  

WE STILL MIGHT BE IN THIS THING

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by Jonah Keri on Jun 19, 2010 10:31 PM EDT

by Doug09 on Jul 27, 2011 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ervin throws the no-no

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by Jonah Keri on Jun 19, 2010 10:31 PM EDT

by Doug09 on Jul 27, 2011 2:27 PM EDT reply actions  

Seattle has them loaded in the 5th up 1-0

If they get a run or two more could be a W with Felix pitching

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by Imperialism32 on Jul 27, 2011 2:28 PM EDT reply actions  

I really want them to win

Not just because it’s the Yankees, if we play them with a 18 game losing streak, we’re gonna embarrass ourselves.

Under construction

by joeybw on Jul 27, 2011 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well yeah

But taking one makes us look pathetic

Under construction

by joeybw on Jul 27, 2011 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

This is all set up, come on Friedman, Wren

You two made that nice little deal with Soriano…..on 2nd thought, don’t remind Wren of that.

Schafer to DL, McCann to DL, terrible offense. Send us one of those great arms for BJ

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by joeybw on Jul 27, 2011 2:36 PM EDT reply actions  

Want to know which team you think BJ's talent would help the most if they traded for him now.

You’re citing his skills, so what team values that right now, in a pennant race.

by budman3 on Jul 27, 2011 2:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

I would disagree if the don't have McCann for a month

If it is anywhere near Longoria’s severity, they may be in trouble for the WC

by budman3 on Jul 27, 2011 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

That matters absolutely not at all in Atlanta.

Another division series sweep is in the cards unless they find a way to upgrade CF.

by Patrick L. Kennedy on Jul 27, 2011 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not saying they'll win even with one.

But that team, as it’s presently constituted, is destined for postseason failure like every other Braves playoff team this century.

by Patrick L. Kennedy on Jul 27, 2011 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well neither am I.

It’s a supposition, anything can happen, but leaving their most glaring hole unaddressed is the surest way to set yourself up for more of the same.

by Patrick L. Kennedy on Jul 27, 2011 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think that's a better way to put it than your initial statement.

Which read like not getting a center field upgrade was sure death. I mean, the Giants won the World Series with Juan Uribe and Edgar Renteria playing big parts. Who knows if McLouth won’t go on a mini-tear.

by R.J. Anderson on Jul 27, 2011 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nothing is sure, if you want to get really literal about it.

That having been said, I think Upton would be as good a fit there as anywhere given the circumstances, and I think they have the most to gain of any team trolling the market.

by Patrick L. Kennedy on Jul 27, 2011 3:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sure.

It’s a gamble, but he’ll provide you good pop for the position.

by Patrick L. Kennedy on Jul 27, 2011 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

discounting defense:

the braves have a lwoer wRC+ in cf. the nats have a way lower (not in contention but are hot for him). the indians are starting brantley and his career 90 wrc+ in cf. the phils need a rh bat and could use an additional of.

by rglass44 on Jul 27, 2011 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

yes. it is.

what cf do u think they should target?

by rglass44 on Jul 27, 2011 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

For a lot less they may be able to get Melky Cabrerra back again.

And I don’t know if the McCann injury is having them re-evaluating anything they may do now.

by budman3 on Jul 27, 2011 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Fuck Brave fans!

But MC is having a much better year than BJ. Moving forward, he rates out higher as FA now as well. The cost to acquire him could be much less than BJ

by budman3 on Jul 27, 2011 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

hes had a better year at the dish, yes.

hes also not much of a cf and has been worse for the whole of their careers. when projcting what when will do going forward, just looking at what theyve done this year isnt the best way to evaluate.

by rglass44 on Jul 27, 2011 3:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

But we may be only talking about which guy impacts the most for the next two months and then only under contract for one more season

They could be an even match projecting one year forward. And Upton will make 6 million in arbitration while Melky will only get maybe 3 million.

by budman3 on Jul 27, 2011 6:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

What the Rays need is an arm

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by Imperialism32 on Jul 27, 2011 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Garza, true. I don't know if I'd call Kaz a case of surplus arms.

We have no leverage when it comes to dealing Niemann, Davis or Cobb right now.

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by Suttree on Jul 27, 2011 2:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

When Hammell was on market the same was true.

Only additional leverage rays have is they can shuttle Cobb back and forth, which will likely diminish his value.

by RaysTheRoof on Jul 27, 2011 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

i see your point

I was thinking if he’s constantly jerked back and forth it will hurt his numbers and make him a little hard to evaluate for other teams. Thus, hurting trade value. but having options is valuable to other teams.

by RaysTheRoof on Jul 27, 2011 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Great?

Yes, I’m thrilled we dumped salary. But from Anaheim’s POV, I think they’d do it again. Rodriguez is who they thought he was, Torres is looking good but far from a sure thing, and Sweeney fell flat. From their POV it was worth the chance that Kaz re-established himself, no?

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by Imperialism32 on Jul 27, 2011 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes, great, Gengler.

You’re ignoring that the Rays couldn’t risk having a $12m sunk cost laying around.

by R.J. Anderson on Jul 27, 2011 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

You can't just ignore opportunity cost in these things.

The Rays took that money and spent it on Soriano and what have you. The Angels, well, they’re still paying Kazmir to sit at home.

by R.J. Anderson on Jul 27, 2011 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

I didn't say the Rays shouldn't have done it

I’m just saying it’s not the total ownage it’s made out to be unless the Rays were absolutely sure Kaz was done, which isn’t likely (as you say, money played a part)

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by Imperialism32 on Jul 27, 2011 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

They had access to his meds and knew about his spotty conditioning.

We didn’t think/know he was this toasty, but they may have had more inclination to believe a return to form was very very unlikely.

by R.J. Anderson on Jul 27, 2011 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Really...

because I had little to no faith in him as a pitcher by the time he left.

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by Ryan Gilliss on Jul 27, 2011 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

FIND THAT THREAD.

I want to see what RIUNS and what serious posters were involved.

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by Suttree on Jul 27, 2011 2:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

http://www.draysbay.com/2009/8/28/1006486/rays-officially-trade-scott-kazmir
http://www.draysbay.com/2009/8/28/1006104/report-scott-kazmir-traded-to

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by Jonah Keri on Jun 19, 2010 10:31 PM EDT

by Doug09 on Jul 27, 2011 2:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Surprise
what the fuck is this
so now 3.5 out means we trade young lefties who are looking awesome and under control for a few more years? fuck tha

1. James Shields 2. Scott Kazmir 3. Matt Garza 4. David Price 5. Jeff Niemann
by joeybw on Aug 28, 2009 4:06 PM EDT

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by Jonah Keri on Jun 19, 2010 10:31 PM EDT

by Doug09 on Jul 27, 2011 2:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'll own it
well, fuck

This is a dumb deal

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by Imperialism32 on Aug 28, 2009 5:35 PM EDT up reply actions

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by Imperialism32 on Jul 27, 2011 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

sandy just started being a troll:
He’s less of a dick than rglass from what I’ve heard
I can’t help that I make some things look easier than they really are.
by Sandy Kazmir on Aug 28, 2009 4:46 PM EDT up actions

by rglass44 on Jul 27, 2011 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

Damn, how far has this gone back between you two?

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by Jonah Keri on Jun 19, 2010 10:31 PM EDT

by Doug09 on Jul 27, 2011 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Side note: I need to change my sig

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by Imperialism32 on Jul 27, 2011 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm not talking about anyone else...

I’m talking about you. You didn’t think he was done?

Fuck PlayOnWords!

Boom. Outta Here.

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by Ryan Gilliss on Jul 27, 2011 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Here's what I wrote at the time:
I’ll admit to not being shaken by this one bit. It’s not that I don’t have fond memories of Kazmir, it’s just that I came to acceptance with the idea of dealing him a month ago. I hope he pitches well for Anaheim just like I hope well for most former Rays. He added many nights of enjoyment to my baseball life and for that I’m thankful. Also: he gives us the own card to spring on trash-talking Mets fans.

So let’s talk about his attributes.

He’s injury prone and apparently was not the biggest lover of the fans or Jim Hickey, but that aside, he was a very good pitcher for quite a while and pitched well recently. Something like a 3.6 FIP the past 30 days.

He’s also about to get expensive. Some are going to see the Rays moving a huge – by their standards – salaried player and call it a salary dump, a sign of cheapness, or a true showing of their parsimonious attitude. Whatever. The Rays just freed up a good amount of money to reallocate in other parts of the team. If that means re-signing someone or adding a new catcher via trade, then there you go.

The thing people should remember is that pitchers don’t age like hitters. There’s a pretty good chance Scott Kazmir has hit his peak already. His age is by and large irrelevant. Andrew Friedman has been combing the market for a while. If this is what he considers the best deal, then I can’t disagree until other offers emerge.

Obviously you can keep him for another year and hope he avoids the D.L. and pitches better, but there’s simply no guarantee either way. Kazmir’s weighted FIP since 2006 is 3.88, and if you go from 2007 onwards, it rises to 4.04. Which is solid, but obviously the Rays feel they can get similar production for less money.

by R.J. Anderson on Jul 27, 2011 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Rays extensions of SPs have been mixed bag

Shields obviously was a coup. Kaz and Davis not so much.

by RaysTheRoof on Jul 27, 2011 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

Jury is out on Davis

Lots of folks thought Shields was done last year. No reason Davis can’t bounce back in ’12.

by M.J.R. on Jul 27, 2011 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah but the folks who thought Shields was done were stupid

His horrendous inability to get swinging strikes is a damn good reason he can’t bounce back in ’12

by benderbrodriguez on Jul 27, 2011 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree that thinking Shields was done was stupid

I also think it’s a bit premature to give up on Davis. He has looked pretty brutal though.

by M.J.R. on Jul 27, 2011 3:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

I said it was a dumb deal at first

Softened slightly when Rodriguez was named as the PTBNL but still disliked it

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by Imperialism32 on Jul 27, 2011 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Kazmir was my favorite player, I don't doubt that played a role

I’m pretty sure I liked the Garza deal right away (to the Cubs, I was wrong on the Delmon deal)

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by Imperialism32 on Jul 27, 2011 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

I didn't mean that as a shot.

I’m just familiar enough with your reactions that I fully expect you won’t be on board with the Upton return.

by R.J. Anderson on Jul 27, 2011 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah

And again, Rodriguez being in the deal did change things because he would actually give immediate value if Torres/Sweeney blew up (which Sweeney did)

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by Imperialism32 on Jul 27, 2011 3:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm not expecting a ton for him, but we'll see

My pipe dream trade with Philly posts are tongue-in-cheek

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by Imperialism32 on Jul 27, 2011 3:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

I thought he could be a league-average guy at least.

I didn’t expect him to be out of baseball in three years.

by R.J. Anderson on Jul 27, 2011 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh, okay...

wow. If anything I was shocked that he performed well down the stretch for the Angels.

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by Ryan Gilliss on Jul 27, 2011 2:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

FWIW, I didn't
Oh, and I’m excited to see what this front office does with some more budget room.

Is it too late to give Diekroeger a call?

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by Imperialism32 on Jul 27, 2011 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well played Anderson

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by FreeZorilla on Jul 27, 2011 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Seems like we flip everyone for MLB ready pitchers or bats that are a ways out

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by Doug09 on Jul 27, 2011 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

You can if you never turn that surplus into value elsewhere

*cough*sixmanrotation*cough*

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by Imperialism32 on Jul 27, 2011 2:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

Talbot for Shoppach is not exciting either team

Kazmir did nothing for the Angels and I personally still think Torres and Sean will figure it out.

The Garza deal…gonna take a while before we actually know who won that one.

Under construction

by joeybw on Jul 27, 2011 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Don't say stupid shit...

you are quickly becoming someone who makes rash assumptions

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by Ryan Gilliss on Jul 27, 2011 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Honestly i'm not sure why i was warned.

i’d love to know why. not sure who to ask . I’m obviously new to posting here and people rip on each other constantly. so i’m not sure where the line was crossed.

by Peter Piontek on Jul 27, 2011 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

calling someone an internet nerd who doesn't get laid?

you don’t think that’s an incredibly immature reaction. And you made an assumption about Sutty’s thoughts on BJ…and yesterday you were accusing Berkman of using PED’s.

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by Ryan Gilliss on Jul 27, 2011 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Do we not debate here? Does everyone need to think the same way?

Sorry if i keep an open mind. I don’t hide behind some user name and yes i implied that but i certainly wasn’t the only one throwing insults.

by Peter Piontek on Jul 27, 2011 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

i said one thing. to one of your friends.

excuse me for living. It’s real appropriate as a MOD of this site that it’s not ok for me to do but it is ok for you to continue pushing on.

by Peter Piontek on Jul 27, 2011 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

For the record, none of us are friends

It’s like your elementary school friends who only hang out because of their situation

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by Sandy Kazmir on Jul 27, 2011 4:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

but it wasn't one thing...

i don’t care about you assuming what sutty’s opinion was or him calling you a fuckface for being totally wrong. You resorted to a immature cliched response that because he was on the internet he was some kind of virgin. I’ve met Sutty twice in my life, I don’t consider him a “friend”. He’s someone that I talk to on a baseball blog.

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by Ryan Gilliss on Jul 27, 2011 4:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

All i said is that he needed some ass...

take that as you wish but that doesn’t imply to me that he is a virgin. Actually i had agreed that he fucked my wife in a previous thread.

by Peter Piontek on Jul 27, 2011 4:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

So none of us are friends?

This makes me sad.

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by Steve Slowinski on Jul 27, 2011 4:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Please re-phrase your post to include the sentence:

“Actually i had agreed that he fucked my wife in a previous thread.”

by Patrick L. Kennedy on Jul 27, 2011 4:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Seriously it's not like him and i haven't had words on here in the past.

No one has ever said when you are in a bad mood. " dude you need to get some ass"

by Peter Piontek on Jul 27, 2011 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

That's not what you said....
Obviously you’re an internet jerk off that is incapable of having any sort of conversation. Outside of 2 worded sarcastic shitbag posts. Go get some ass dude.

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by Ryan Gilliss on Jul 27, 2011 4:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Once again nit picking.

Last sentence. Go get some ass dude. I called him an internet jerkoff. Oh god. Nooooooooooooooooooooo!

by Peter Piontek on Jul 27, 2011 4:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

how do you not get it? i questioned his opinion... so what?

he called me a fuck face for questioning him and being wrong about his opinion. sorry if i called him names and he called his mommy.

by Peter Piontek on Jul 27, 2011 4:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Rip more asses

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by Sandy Kazmir on Jul 27, 2011 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

When all is said and done, I think we will have totally raped the Cubs in the Garza deal

I would say we are already coming out ahead and the two best pieces of that trade are still in the minors.

by M.J.R. on Jul 27, 2011 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

possibly the 3 best

Chirinos needs a lot more time obviously but Guyer could wind up better.

Under construction

by joeybw on Jul 27, 2011 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

And the reason I mentioned one of the Braves arms

is because the Phillies are going full tilt on Pence and you know the Nats offer would just suck.

Under construction

by joeybw on Jul 27, 2011 2:44 PM EDT reply actions  

They easily have the worst pen in probably all of baseball now

But a stacked lineup adds Teahen and a Colby Rasmus who is on a mission to show up LaRussa. Just a matter of time until Lawrie joins them also.

Under construction

by joeybw on Jul 27, 2011 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

If that was the case, Friedman would think 25 steps ahead

He would trade the farm for Pence to keep him away from the Phillies and then convince the Rays to send him back.

Under construction

by joeybw on Jul 27, 2011 2:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sort of lost in this is that Friedman knows the market better than any of us.

That’s not appealing to authority, that’s the truth. Nobody on this planet has more insight into what Upton’s value is than Friedman right now.

by R.J. Anderson on Jul 27, 2011 2:53 PM EDT reply actions  

Because we probably wanted to deal Upton first and we got burned

That or the Cards are just dumb but we know that much.

Besides the horrible return, the Cards traded an OF with Holliday and Berkman out. I think maybe they should of been the team waiting?

Under construction

by joeybw on Jul 27, 2011 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't know how much we can buy that rumor either

I can see Neimann being offered but after giving Davis that long term deal and falling in love with Cobb enough to make a 6 man rotation, do you think either of those guys were offered? WD40 would of been perfect for Dave Duncan.

Under construction

by joeybw on Jul 27, 2011 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

If the Cards went for Jackson over any of them really, then nuff said.

Wade Davis and Dave Duncan is a match made in heaven. He would fix that “fast” ball and “slider” real quick, unless of course it’s an injury.

Under construction

by joeybw on Jul 27, 2011 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

This one is hard to understand

Edwin may be .5 wins betters than Cobb this season? And I’m not even convinced of that. And then they have him under team control for 5 more years.

by RaysTheRoof on Jul 27, 2011 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Look. it's a bad baseball trade for them.

At the same time, it’s probably a good clubhouse deal because obviously the TLR/Rasmus spat wasn’t going away. I’m not saying that makes it right, but they’re fine in the short run because of this. It really hurts them in the long run though. Frankly, they might just value the short term fix better because they have Shelby Miller and Martinez coming through. I don’t know.

by R.J. Anderson on Jul 27, 2011 3:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

"R.J. says team chemistru is a big deal"

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by Imperialism32 on Jul 27, 2011 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

No, it's like the Yunel thing last year.

It’s a bad deal and they did a bad job of keeping the spat private. Once other teams sniff out the problems like that, you aren’t going to get good value most of the time.

by R.J. Anderson on Jul 27, 2011 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think this is a little different...

than speculating on who is or isn’t a good teammate. Here you had the manager openly trashing the player to the media.

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by Ryan Gilliss on Jul 27, 2011 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

I understand their desire to trade rasmus

but i don’t see how edwin (in any world) is more valuable than Cobb.

by RaysTheRoof on Jul 27, 2011 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

We have been taught to think with a Rays mindset

We think with their limitations in mind.

Maybe the Cards plan on extending Ejax

by Sveet on Jul 27, 2011 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nobody knows what the talks included beyond the three names thrown out there.

The sooner you realize you aren’t smarter than everyone in baseball the better.

by R.J. Anderson on Jul 27, 2011 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm Tom Jones, I have my opinions.

But that having been said, I stopped really getting worked up about baseball teams doing what I perceived to be stupid things after the ‘06 draft, when I was convinced Longoria was going to be Joe Randa and that we should’ve drafted Andrew Miller.

by Patrick L. Kennedy on Jul 27, 2011 3:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

I didn't say not have your opinions.

I just don’t think we should pretend we know what went on in the talks.

by R.J. Anderson on Jul 27, 2011 3:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

We always freak out about this kind of stuff.

I remember when Chuck LaMar failed to pull off the three-team deal in 2005 involving Manny, Lugo, and the Mets/Red Sox and people were ready to crucify him. It’s just knee-jerk reaction, no more appropriate in his case than it would be for the current front office because the level of ignorance among the fans is the same.

by Patrick L. Kennedy on Jul 27, 2011 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

They accidentally Kazmir.

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by Imperialism32 on Aug 28, 2009 8:33 PM PDT up actions

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by Suttree on Jul 27, 2011 3:02 PM EDT reply actions  

Kazmir for loogy

Is he still a FA? Talk about just falling apart.

Under construction

by joeybw on Jul 27, 2011 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

.
if Torres pops up as a prospect just behind Moore/Lobstein does this trade all of a sudden look better

The kid has put up really good numbers in a tough league for pitchers and one of the biggest reasons he wasn’t considered a top prospect was because he had never proven anything past rookie ball, now he has.

looking at this trade from the standpoint that we got 2 guys who weren’t top 10 guys in the Angels pre-season top prospect list is crazy.

by Dbullsfan on Aug 28, 2009 10:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Well, yeah, IF

And if my aunt had balls she’d be my uncle.

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by Imperialism32 on Aug 28, 2009 10:59 PM EDT up reply actions

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by Imperialism32 on Jul 27, 2011 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

AF changing the mindset on trades, its all about accumulating picks

Ken_Rosenthal Ken Rosenthal
#Cardinals expect to get between 1 and 3 picks and possibly 3 PTBN as part of Rasmus deal. Jackson, Dotel could end up Type A or B. #MLB

by Dbullsfan on Jul 27, 2011 3:07 PM EDT reply actions  

Here's my take on the Beltran thing, if interesting.

http://www.draysbay.com/2011/7/27/2297973/carlos-beltran-traded-giants-bj-upton-rays-rumors

I explain the whole Upton-Beltran trade value thing a bit more there.

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by Steve Slowinski on Jul 27, 2011 3:10 PM EDT reply actions  

This

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by Imperialism32 on Jul 27, 2011 3:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Jesus, Cory Wade has 14 innings under his belt for the Yankees already? Seems like he was just pitching for the Bulls a week ago.

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by Jonah Keri on Jun 19, 2010 10:31 PM EDT

by Doug09 on Jul 27, 2011 3:10 PM EDT reply actions  

well fuck

R.I.P. Scott Kazmir 2005-2008

by raysfan81 on Jul 27, 2011 3:22 PM EDT reply actions  

Hrm
Source: #Reds targeting Shields over Jimenez. #tradedeadline #MLB
7 minutes ago from Twitter for Mac

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by Jonah Keri on Jun 19, 2010 10:31 PM EDT

by Doug09 on Jul 27, 2011 3:52 PM EDT reply actions  

This was Kenneth Rosenthal BTW

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by Doug09 on Jul 27, 2011 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Jhonatan Solano - C

I wonder if the Rays have been looking at this Wash Nat’s AAA catcher with the Syracuse Chiefs in conjunction with the Upton talks since they were supposedly there scouting recently? He’s supposed to be pretty good defensively and has his BA up near .300. Other offensive stats are so-so. I can’t find any scouting reports just stats.

by learnedglove on Jul 27, 2011 5:18 PM EDT reply actions  

Nice article

I too was thinking that it will be even more interesting in the AL East with 2 savy GMs looking to out maneuver each other.

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