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Hellickson Sinks Mariners, Rays Win 8-1

I believe the term for tongue-swaggling is "Jordan-esque."

Jeremy Hellickson took a no-hitter into the sixth inning, and Ben Zobrist and Sean Rodriguez both had three hits and three RBI to lead the Rays to an easy victory over the Mariners Sunday afternoon. 

Hell Boy was "on his game" as they say, pitching seven-plus innings, allowing just one run on five hits and one walk while striking out two.  He generated eleven swinging strikes on 109 pitches (10.1%) and didn't allow a hit until Chone Figgins singled up the middle to lead off the sixth.

Hellickson ran into a "bit" of trouble in the seventh inning where he allowed his only run of the afternoon.  Unfortunately, my feed went out due to some precipitous interference (oh, how you vex me DirecTV) and I was unable to see the inning.  On the play-by-play, all i could see was this:

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For those that could see it live, maybe you could enlighten us in the comments as to what happened on those singles to shallow right to lead off the inning.  Were they sharply hit, ground-balls-with-eyes, or Texas Leaguers?  Or maybe something else, all together. ("Or maybe something else.")

Jake McGee and Mike Ekstrom pitched two innings of scoreless relief giving up a walk and a hit, respectively.  With the Rays current string of call-ups-and-downs, Ekstrom should be fearing a return trip to Durham now that' he's gotten his one appearance in.

As mentioned above, Ben Zobrist and Sean Rodriguez were the stars of the offense today as they went a combined 6-9 with three runs, and six RBI.  Zobrist added a double to the mix, giving him 34 and the lead in the vaunted AL Doubles Race.  SRod would contribute by adding a solo homer and a stolen base to round out the day.  Also, just for comparison to SRod and Zorilla's 6-9, Desmond Jennings, Evan Longoria, Casey Kotchman, B.J. Upton, and Matt Joyce were a combined 4-20.

By looking at the score you can tell that Mariners starter Jason Vargas did not have a great outing Sunday afternoon.  Vargas pitched five and one-third innings and allowed six runs (four earned), on nine hits, and a walk while striking out six.  This was a bad start by the Seattle lefty, and it begs the question: "How did this guy throw a CGSO against the Rays his last time out?"  Wait, don't answer that, it's just going to depress me.

The win ends the road trip--and July, for that matter--on a high note as the Rays come home to face the Blue Jays (now with 100% MORE Colby Rasmus) on Tuesday.  David Price on the bump against Ricky Romero @7:10 PM as the Rays take on a team that actually did something by the trade deadline.

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Forgot to mention Jennings pure speed play in the first

Got on via an error (forced by his speed); stole second and moved to third on a bad throw, then scored on a contact play grounder to third where Figgins made a fine play, but Jennings was just too fast to catch as he slid into home before the tag. Not surprising that he’s fast by any means, but damn, It’s impressive.

by CBJones on Jul 31, 2011 8:20 PM EDT reply actions  

Mannys suspension wouldve ended today lol

A-rod's salary? 30 Million, Evan Longoria's? 1M, god i love life as a rays fan

by RaysOfHope on Jul 31, 2011 9:33 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

He wouldve helped our offense

But that would also mean no jennings and damon in the field

A-rod's salary? 30 Million, Evan Longoria's? 1M, god i love life as a rays fan

by RaysOfHope on Jul 31, 2011 10:01 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Seitzer had 3 walks

And I’m pretty sure Sale has a BABIP of about .069. Every time I check he’s 0-4 with 0 or 1 K’s.

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by Jonah Keri on Jun 19, 2010 10:31 PM EDT

by Doug09 on Jul 31, 2011 10:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

It was nice to see Jeff Ames have a nice game as well...

He’s had a tough go of it, but tonight went 5.0 Innings w/ 3 Hits, 2 BB, and 6 K’s… Hopefully a bit of a turning point for him

by TheBeckMan23 on Jul 31, 2011 10:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thoughts on Vettleson?

Is he your favorite on the Princeton team?

by mr. maniac on Jul 31, 2011 10:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Seitzer should be

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by sternfan1 on Jul 31, 2011 10:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

I hope he keeps his power up

A-rod's salary? 30 Million, Evan Longoria's? 1M, god i love life as a rays fan

by RaysOfHope on Jul 31, 2011 11:19 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

No

I want to see how he does in the upper levels. I dont get really excited about over achievers until they hit AA. so im not too excited about bortnick really, he is 24 in A ball, cool

A-rod's salary? 30 Million, Evan Longoria's? 1M, god i love life as a rays fan

by RaysOfHope on Aug 1, 2011 12:56 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

The reply was to sternfan.

Not that I don’t care whtat you say, but I was intrigued to here sternys thoughts on prospects.

by mr. maniac on Aug 1, 2011 10:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

was gone most of the afternoon so I could come on here and complain probably to the delight of many

but good game, nice to see Helly pitch well and Zobrist/Rodriguez have nice nights. That being said it looks like we will be sticking to the 6 man rotation which sucks, I guess it works if we have no intention of trying to get back in the race however unlikely that is because if we did I’d sure want Price and Shields pitching every 5th day, who knows maybe Wade will end up getting shut down because of his shoulder or something. The bullpen is still a mess, will Ekstrom stay up until September or will we wait until everyone has their 10 days come up and do the up and down again. We also still have too many outfielders, and unlike the rotation it isn’t because they are all good. Justin Ruggiano shouldn’t be on a major league roster much less as a 5th OF on a team that has 4 other players besides the 4 OF in front of him with OF experience. I’m not a huge Canzler fan but Kotchman could use a day off and we have no real back-up (Elliot Johnson?) and we might as well give him a shot, he’d be a better use of that spot than Ruggs.

by Dbullsfan on Aug 1, 2011 1:05 AM EDT reply actions  

Eckstrom will go back down when cruz comes off the dl

Elliot,ruggiano and shoppach need to be let go, im tired of them wasting a roster spot on.

Shoppach for lobaton,ruggiano for canzler and elliot for briggy

A-rod's salary? 30 Million, Evan Longoria's? 1M, god i love life as a rays fan

by RaysOfHope on Aug 1, 2011 1:18 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Why does a 6 man rotation indicate that you're putting up the white flag?

You keep hating on the 6 man roto but give vague reasons based on nothing.

by firemangreg on Aug 1, 2011 8:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

It just seems like a scapegoat for vitriol

Well they changed this and since then they’ve fallen off the pace. It’s as silly as blaming the Kazmir trade for why the 09 Rays fell apart. I love that they’re doing this as it should keep innings down while hopefully extending outings to cover a weak pen.

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by Sandy Kazmir on Aug 1, 2011 10:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

Anyone who thinks the 6 man rotation is at fault is a moron.

We were atrocious with RISP until the last few games. Nice to see the offense finally breakout a little bit.

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by Suttree on Aug 1, 2011 10:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

Perhaps they felt that Shields 2010 was caused by overwork in 2009, Price has escaped injury for the most part by gradually raising inning limits

Hellickson and Cobb are rookies that have never played in this many games before. There’s a lot more to like about the six man rotation than there is to not like. If we had 3-4 lockdown relievers instead of 1.5 then I’d advocate this all next year as well if we can’t find a way to open a hole in the roto. It’s not like we’re running a 1,2,3,4,5 rotation out there. It’s much more like a 1,1,2,2,3,5 where the 5 has shown effectiveness in the past and needs to get back to what he do.

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by Sandy Kazmir on Aug 1, 2011 10:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

Some team is going to find a relief inefficiency

and have their top 2-3 relievers pitch 90-100 innings a year

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by Imperialism32 on Aug 1, 2011 10:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

The Book says that most relievers could use more work.

I’d burn em out left and right if they’re good enough. Flip them after two rock star years for the next wave

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by Sandy Kazmir on Aug 1, 2011 10:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yup

I wonder if the Rays are trying to prep Marquis Fleming for such a role: 136 games (1 start), 236.1 innings. I don’t know if he’s good enough for that though.

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by Imperialism32 on Aug 1, 2011 10:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

Got the chance to see him in Rochester, fastball is straaaaaaight and slooooooooow

Curveball is really, really good, but I’m afraid it could be a Winston Abreu type situation where the fastball just isn’t good enough to take advantage of his best pitch. Hopefully it’s something they can work on.

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by Sandy Kazmir on Aug 1, 2011 10:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

I'm sure the Yankees and Sox will be happy that we kept Price and Shields arms fresh in 5 years

while what you said about the 112235 make sense it still means that 5 is taking starts from 1, and if Ruggiano’s spot went to an extra reliever I would be a lot more comfortable with the idea.

by Dbullsfan on Aug 1, 2011 10:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

which goes back to what I was saying before about waiving the white flag

if you want to use the 6 man rotation to set up for next year and give Cobb experience that is fine, but giving 2 of the best starters in the league an extra day off isn’t a recipe for trying to make up ground in a playoff race.

by Dbullsfan on Aug 1, 2011 10:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

this team isn't going anywhere this year

but than if that is the case why are we wasting a pen spot on Ekstrom when we have Ramos, Russell and DDLR all in AAA who have a shot to actually be a part of the 2012 team. I’d rather give any of those guys experience, unless they just want to give those guys as many innings as possible.

by Dbullsfan on Aug 1, 2011 10:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

What's your beef with Ekstrom he's just as good as those turds

Not sure if you’ve been paying attention but it’s reliever roulette and Ekky will be back down for someone else shortly. Another way of thinking is that everyone that was brought up then demoted was walking people or getting hit. Ekstrom seems to have handled his biz. Perhaps the idea the entire time is to reward more playing time for success and it’s just the fact that 8 other guys have not enjoyed that success yet. Kudos to Ekstrom for being the first call up to not shit his pants. McGee has stuck around as well now that he’s got the fastball a bit more consistent and his hook is really solid. FO is not rewarding failure and that should be applauded.

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by Sandy Kazmir on Aug 1, 2011 11:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

I'm hating on the 6 man rotation because it means less starts for your top pitchers

If all 6 starters were of the same talent level or pretty close I wouldn’t mind, but there is no way you can convince me that we should be pushing back every single Shields or Price start so that Davis can get a start. The 6 man rotation combined with having Ruggiano on the team has also shortened the pen, leading Maddon to send Hellickson back out for the 8th because he didn’t want to have to use an extra arm just to get 1 out before bringing in Mcgee or at least that is what the Radio guys said he did it for.

by Dbullsfan on Aug 1, 2011 10:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

What do you do with Davis then? DFA seems like the only (final) solution in your eyes. Davis is going to pitch through this and the team is going to take some lumps

The idea is that he’ll be better for it. I’d like to see how he builds off this last performance where he was dominant after a horrid first inning.

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by Sandy Kazmir on Aug 1, 2011 10:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

As much as it sucks I would have left Cobb in AAA or if the purpose is to limit Hellickson's innings than I would have DL'd him

of course I would have tried my best to trade one of them, but for some reason they couldn’t get that done, asking price too high or other teams thought guys like Doug Fister and Jason Marquis were better.

by Dbullsfan on Aug 1, 2011 10:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

They need to showcase Cobb as a proven MLB pitcher if they hope to ever trade him for anything worthwhile. If he proves he can hang then that's just a bonus

Why is a DL stint in the middle of the season preferable to massaging innings like this? The asking price is too high as it should be. You don’t go to the flea market to buy fine china. Should be an exciting winter.

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by Sandy Kazmir on Aug 1, 2011 10:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

Btw that was a terribly stupid play by Upton on Kotch's lineout...

And was Kotch yelling at him on the play? Sure looked like it.

by pudieron89 on Aug 1, 2011 7:41 AM EDT via mobile reply actions  

I think he yelled, "WE SHOULD HAVE TRADED YOU".

(I didn’t watch the game)

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by Jonah Keri on Jun 19, 2010 10:31 PM EDT

by Doug09 on Aug 1, 2011 8:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

What bothers me most about this season and what makes it tough to look toward the future

is we can’t blame injuries for our downfall

Longoria missed the month of APril—i know

But has any regular been on the DL since?

Have our Big 3 missed a start?

Farnsy and Peralta have been healthy

Gas Can came back in time to “help”

We have to blame talent and the lack of it

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by sternfan1 on Aug 1, 2011 9:09 AM EDT reply actions  

I don't disagree entirely

But we have had players playing hurt which can lead to diminished performance. We saw it with Zo last year (OHW). This year Longo and Joyce. It does happen to all teams though.

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by FreeZorilla on Aug 1, 2011 9:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

This.

Having Longoria and Joyce on the DL is almost more beneficial than having them play through injury. Well, not Longoria, but we would have been better off with Joyce hitting the DL thanks to our outfield depth.

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by Suttree on Aug 1, 2011 9:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

We have a much smaller margin of error than other teams when it comes to these kinds of injuries.

I also agree with the lack of talent, though. We are missing depth at key spots. Aybar might been overmatched as an every day player, but he was a reliable back up for Longoria.

@ptSuttery

by Suttree on Aug 1, 2011 9:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

I'll be blaming the FO.

I agree with some of your points, but the major league team didn’t have the best players (or most promising, rather) on the team most of the season. Hell, Guyer is still in AAA, while Ruggs is sitting on the bench. It’s not like Ruggs is even playing, but Guyer should’ve been the one to be called up, if not Jennings. Fuld and Ruggiano had a couple of nice stretches at the plate, but no one should have been expecting them to man a position for over half the season with the other options we had (have). Stupid service time crap to precedent to winning, and that’s effing ridiculous when the players are already in their freakin mid-20s. Not even kids.

And that’s not even getting into the rotation, not keeping Cobb up while Davis/Niemann were awful.

Losing Cory Wade TO THE YANKEES.

Epic fail by the FO. Friedman’d.

Trade BJ, please!

by SandalsNoPants on Aug 1, 2011 9:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

Niemann has been the best pitcher on the staff as of late.

I don’t believe Davis has options, where as Cobb does, so Friedman’s hand is forced there.

Guyer over Ruggs certainly, but considering Guyer is like 1 for 6 on as many pitches, it’s unlikely he would have turned our season around.

“Stupid service time”… it’s frustrating as a fan, but it’s completely legitimate. My only gripe is that the team and players shouldn’t bitch about attendance when they aren’t putting the best product out on the field. Jennings could have very easily been up at the beginning of the year to replace Crawford.

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by Suttree on Aug 1, 2011 9:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

And just riffing on the Ruggs-Guyer situation for a moment, there's probably a little case of organizational loyalty there.

I don’t think Guyer has anything left to prove at the Triple A level, but there’s always little things they might want him to work on that have prevented him from being promoted full time.

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by Suttree on Aug 1, 2011 9:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, he's only had half a season in AAA

Still, come on. Come on.

Organizational loyalty? Didn’t they put him through waivers this past offseason? Or am I thinking of someone else?

Trade BJ, please!

by SandalsNoPants on Aug 1, 2011 10:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

About the rotation, I'm talking pre DL for those guys, especially Niemann.

I love what he’s doing now, but man that was a rough first half when there was a better option.

And I’m not ready to judge Guyer on 6 AB. He’s crushed minors pitching the past 2 seasons, and Jennings didn’t look hot in his limited September 2010. Give him a chance to succeed if the other options are Fuld and Ruggs and apparently not Jennings.

Also, fans, while they should be concerned with the welfare of the team, should NOT be concerned about a 24 yrold’s service time when the payroll is at $40 million. He’s not going to be expensive any time in the next few years. Try to win.

Trade BJ, please!

by SandalsNoPants on Aug 1, 2011 10:04 AM EDT up reply actions  

Sure, but that's exactly the reason the Rays don't rush on these decision. They know 5-10 starts aren't necessarily indicative of the future.

Had they buried Niemann after his early struggles (like many of us wanted), they wouldn’t be reaping the benefits of their patience right now. It’s just a shame they couldn’t have dealt him at the deadline.

I’m not saying Guyer is going to be bad. But, he has serious plate discipline concerns and that’s probably why they’re keeping him down. He did nothing to disprove that in his limited at-bats.

Jennings probably wouldn’t have put this team in the playoffs single handedly. It will likely be the situation next year. So, why not save 4-5 extra million for 2013?

@ptSuttery

by Suttree on Aug 1, 2011 10:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

Cobb is great right now also.

We didn’t have to suffer through Niemann to get a good pitcher right now, and would almost definitely be closer in the playoff race.

Again, 6 AB. That’s all that needs to be said. You may end up being right, but at this point, it’s guessing.

Jennings doesn’t do it by himself, but a combination of Jennings, Cobb, no Niemann (or Davis, whichever), and I don’t know if I’m missing more, but we could’ve seen a better team that might’ve made a difference.

Trade BJ, please!

by SandalsNoPants on Aug 1, 2011 10:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

Still only 6 AB

Were they bad pitches? I have no idea. No doubt, he didn’t make a great 1st impression, but he was in AA less than a year earlier. I’m not ready to say he was just nervous or anxious or something. Let’s see what happens when he relaxes.

Trade BJ, please!

by SandalsNoPants on Aug 1, 2011 10:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

The Rays cannot (and should not in my view) be a "win-now" team in the sense

many fans want it to be. It has to consider immediate benefits, of course, but more than most also has to consider development issues and finances.

Perhaps Guyer (injured now of course) would have been better than Ruggiano and Fuld in the short term, and perhaps it might have provided the Rays a win or two. But it is the stated policy of the Rays to avoid promoting real prospects until they are fully ready to be major leaguers for good. They do not want to bounce them up and down. So balance the possibility (and it is only that, not even a probability) that Guyer might have provided a win or two against the danger of retarding his development by interrupting the program he is on in the minors, a program they hope will hone his skills to the point he can contribute to the Rays for some years.

The same goes for the pitchers. One of the strengths of the Rays front office is its courage to stand by its judgments rather than flip flopping every time there is a snag. I don’t think they are inflexible, but I do think they trust their process and are not swayed by short term difficulties. So if they think that Davis and Niemann are solid major league pitchers, they will stick with them through difficulties. The reward, they think, will be regular contributors to winning teams. There are no “Joba rules” flip flopping here.

Steve has commented on this way of thinking before. It is not a matter of throwing in the towel; it is a matter of priorities and balance. The Rays have 6 starters, all of whom they think are legitimate major leaguers and some of whom they do not want to risk by overworking them. Which is more important? That in a season when the team’s flaws make winning it all a long shot they gamble with development time and stability to eke out a couple of extra wins or that they maximize the assets on hand so that, with luck, they stay in contention but more likely have the talent in place for a multi-year run at titles?

by bobr on Aug 2, 2011 7:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

This is not about what they should do now

It’s about what they should’ve done before it was too late. Now it is too late, and none of it really matters.

Trade BJ, please!

by SandalsNoPants on Aug 1, 2011 10:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

yea I think my frustrations venting now are just the ones built up over the whole season

the roster moves as a whole have been confusing from Sonny to Jennings/Guyer, to the bullpen tango

by Dbullsfan on Aug 1, 2011 10:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

Forgot about Sonny

Thanks for god damn reminding me. woof.

Trade BJ, please!

by SandalsNoPants on Aug 1, 2011 11:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

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