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Power Outage At The Trop Robs David Price Of The Win

ST. PETERSBURG, FL - AUGUST 23:  Manager Jim Leyland #10 of the Detroit Tigers makes a pitching change against the Tampa Bay Rays during the game at Tropicana Field on August 23, 2011 in St. Petersburg, Florida.  (Photo by J. Meric/Getty Images)

If I told you that the Rays posted 15 base runners, chased Brad Penny one out into the seventh inning, and got eight innings out of David Price who then turned it over to Kyle Farnsworth for the ninth, you would think that they had won. Nope. It's games like these that miracle late-season comebacks are not made of.

Price threw 115 pitches on the night, 82 of them (non-cut) fastballs, generating generating 8.5% swinging strikes on those pitches. As for secondary offerings, Price threw his changeup 22 times, generating 4 swinging strikes (18%), and his cutter nine times (though I think four other pitches were probably cut fastballs that didn't cut very much). He worked the outside part of the plate to right handed hitters with the backdoor cutter, and got either 3 or 5 called strikes out of it, depending on what classifications you believe. As his third pitch, the cutter is coming along nicely, although the runs Price gave up came when a frontdoor cutter to Alex Avila leaked too far back over the plate (pitch 4, Avila is left handed).

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And really, that pitch is my only complaint with Price's performance. There are times when you try to trick a batter with your third best pitch (that you've only started throwing midway through this season), but a 1-2 count with the tying run on third isn't it. That's when you rear back and unleash 98 mph up above the zone.

Regardless, it was good to see Price regain his composure and mow down the Tigers in the eighth inning after being tagged for two runs in the seventh.

Star-divide

  • There's been enough said about how frustrating the offense can be. This was one of those days. Fifteen base runners, one run.
  • It's nice to have John Jaso back and all, but where do I find an Avila? I want one of those.
  • Jim Hickey said that Price's changeup is better when it's in the 85-86 mph range, rather than the 83-84 mph range. Nothing conclusive either way in this game, but it's something interesting to look into.
  • So that I'll be happier, I'm going to pretend that Reid Brignac, the batter, was just called up for a cup of coffee, and I'll evaluate him based on a small sample size. Here goes: In the bottom of the third, Brignac showed good plate discipline by laying off a backdoor cutter that stayed just outside. On the next pitch, he showed great, quick hands when he lined an outside fastball back up the middle.Then, to lead off the fifth inning, Brignac once again lined a fastball up the middle. He had to go down to the bottom of the zone to reach the pitch. In his second at bat, Brignac's swing might have gotten slightly long, but he looks like he has the bat speed, the hands, and the balanced approach to stick in the bigs if his defense can play at shortstop.
  • Boy can Reid Brignac play shortstop! In the second inning, he ranged deep into the hole, looked the runner back at third, and still was able to throw to first to nab Avila. Then, in the sixth, Brignac started a double play by deftly flipping the ball to second with his glove.
  • One previous play in the sixth, Longoria made a great barehanded pickup, and then fired a routine one-hop throw to first, which Kotchman couldn't scoop. I bring up Kotchman's failure because (a) I want to start an argument, and less facetiously (b) I think that first base defense is something we fans do a uniquely terrible job evaluating. I think Kotchman is possibly very good, and almost definitely above average, but I also think that all that most people are able to recognize is a below average first baseman. The rest of the stratification that we think we know is just homerism and group think.
  • One more bit of defense worth watching. In the seventh, Longoria fields a scorched grounder, and then throws out Delmon Yong at home from his knees. Note that Young clearly attempts to break Kelly Shoppach's neck.
  • Nobody beaned Young, but we did embarrass him. In the next inning, Kotchman magically doubled by blatantly running on Delmon's noodle arm in left.

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The Rays "chased" Brad Penny in the 7th?

Here are some highlights of Penny’s last 7 starts prior to last night

41 IP

54 H

6.31 ERA

893 OPS

Only thing the Rays chased last night was the guy in front of them at the post game buffet

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by sternfan1 on Aug 24, 2011 7:48 AM EDT reply actions  

One is all you get

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by sternfan1 on Aug 24, 2011 9:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

What happened to Price's breaking ball?

The magical slider from ‘08 or even the spike curve from ’09-’10 are no longer among his three best pitches?

by jlmccal2 on Aug 24, 2011 8:50 AM EDT reply actions  

I have no idea.

He’s completely abandoned that slider, and he rarely throws the curve now either. I’d love to hear him or Hickey talk about why.

by Whelk on Aug 24, 2011 9:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

I agree.

I think it might have something to do with his lower walk rate, though. Both this year and last year, he’s thrown it for strikes around 61% of the time, with his fastball and changeup up in the high 60% range.

I have high hopes for the changeup, which is actually his most whiffy pitch. Perhaps after he’s completely comfortable with the new changeup, he’ll start working the curve back in?

by Whelk on Aug 24, 2011 9:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

This.

Then he found it in ST (his Vandy pitching coach taught him a new grip), but then stopped throwing it. I would like to hear the story behind that.

by mr. maniac on Aug 24, 2011 10:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

Team took it away from him at some point

He tried to come back with it, but it didn’t happen.

Look around the team & notice the lack of a slider. Doesn’t it strike you as a bit odd that nobody on the staff throws the slider with any kind of regularity? Niemann has gone away from it, Davis appears to have as well, while Shields and Hellickson never threw it.

This appears to be more by design than anything mechanically with a particular pitcher

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by Jason Collette on Aug 24, 2011 10:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

"good to see Price mow down the Tigers" after giving up

the game in the 7th

First off that was the bottom of the order in the 8th, secondly the sky never looks more blue after a storm

Price was bailed out by Longoria in the 7th, but proceeded to wild pitch and then allow a deadly two strike hit to Avila—horrible

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by sternfan1 on Aug 24, 2011 9:04 AM EDT reply actions  

Thank God

for the trop. I can’t see building a retractable roof stadium if you can’t close it, when the power goes out. I feel safer in an enclosed building in an area known for being the lightning capital of the world.

by Landlord on Aug 24, 2011 9:50 AM EDT reply actions  

You had to love how our two professional hitters

Damon and Kotchman both fought off Phil Coke the tough LHP to give our team a real chance to tie/win the game last night

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by sternfan1 on Aug 24, 2011 9:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

Zobrist's AB was like 11 pitches, why do you always forget him when you're slobbing knobs of lesser players?

If you can't say something to someone's face then it's not worthy of being said behind their back.

by Sandy Kazmir on Aug 24, 2011 10:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

He saw around 30 pitches yesterday in 5 ABs, it doesn't get anymore professional than that

If you can't say something to someone's face then it's not worthy of being said behind their back.

by Sandy Kazmir on Aug 24, 2011 10:02 AM EDT up reply actions  

He missed an oppo double down the line by four feet that would have won the game, you're crazy

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by Sandy Kazmir on Aug 24, 2011 10:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

And it was even more difficult for him knowing that Joyce was on deck and was either going to strike out or ground out vs. Coke as he can't hit lefties

I was pretty surprised that Coke wasn’t throwing 3-2 curves off the plate as he either gets the K or brings up Joyce

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by Sandy Kazmir on Aug 24, 2011 10:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

It was a 95 MPH pitch that was up, the swing itself was impressive, the choice to swing was less so as it was a ball

The fact that he put bat on ball and almost won the game was very impressive. I don’t care what BA thinks, generally.

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by Sandy Kazmir on Aug 24, 2011 10:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

Well it looks like he has for the most part

Career:
Type BIP BABIP Traj%
GB 702 0.226 44%
FB 575 0.117 36%
LD 320 0.703 20%
Total 1597 0.282 100%

2011:
Type BIP BABIP Traj%
GB 165 0.23 45%
FB 129 0.191 35%
LD 71 0.771 19%
Total 365 0.321 100%

His ground balls are about equal, but his fly balls and line drives have fallen in much better than career norms, especially those fly balls. League average is:
Type BIP BABIP
GB 21763 0.236
FB 18266 0.138
LD 8944 0.72
Total 48973 0.288

As usual, we only talk about BABIP when the author hates the player that is overrated or loves the player that is under-rated

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by Sandy Kazmir on Aug 24, 2011 10:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

I'm just curious why we haven't read about Zobie's BABIP issue, if this is a serious site you would think there would be more than game recaps

and the occasional interesting look at prospects.

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by Sandy Kazmir on Aug 24, 2011 11:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

"serious site"

Yeah, I don't see Badancil turning out well.

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by blackraven on Jun 27, 2011 5:08 PM PDT

by Badancil on Aug 24, 2011 11:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

Wait, Zobrist is a baby? I thought we were talking about the Rays here and not just throwing out insults to those with legit questions

Keep up the great work, you’ve got job security now. Not sure how anyone can do those MiLB posts everyday.

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by Sandy Kazmir on Aug 24, 2011 11:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

No problem, as a long time reader I feel my feedback can really help this site become the best.

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by Sandy Kazmir on Aug 24, 2011 11:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

Wasn't Woody's post a few days back along these lines?

Additionally, you had the opportunities to write that same story while you were on the staff. This would be the first such request into that specific article subject.

Maybe we need a suggestion box as to what article topics people would like discussed.

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by Jason Collette on Aug 24, 2011 11:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

Kotchman

Vroom vroom party starter
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by Imperialism32 on Aug 24, 2011 12:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think that's a fantastic idea

I’m a pretty lousy analyst so there shouldn’t be surprise that I didn’t write a great article.

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by Sandy Kazmir on Aug 24, 2011 12:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Kotchman

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by FreeZorilla on Aug 24, 2011 12:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm occasionally interesting?

/swoon

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by Imperialism32 on Aug 24, 2011 12:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Did love it.

Tips cap to Kotch, Damon, and Zobrist.

It made me wonder if Damon abandons the quest for 3000 and shows better discipline in high leverage spots.

by Whelk on Aug 24, 2011 10:06 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Pitchers Babip 2011

Penny Groundball . 225
            Flyball .166
            Bunts .667
Scherzer GB .247
               FB .104
                Bunts.444

by Landlord on Aug 24, 2011 10:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

THE TROP IS THE BEST!!!!!

Retractable roof stadiums are so stupid.

by Sveet on Aug 24, 2011 9:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

At this point

Upton is being showcased. Joe wanted the world to know he was not injured. We can look forward to more showcasing B.J. the rest of the season.

by Landlord on Aug 24, 2011 10:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yes, because playing a guy when he is not 100% is the best way to showcase a player

Seriously, where do yo come up with these gems?

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by Jason Collette on Aug 24, 2011 10:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

If Joe keeps B.J.

Out of the lineup.It will look like he is injured. The Rays do not want other teams to think he is injured. You say he is not 100%. There are circumstances were you showcase someone when they are not 100%. This is one of them. It is common sense, it has nothing to do with gems.

by Landlord on Aug 24, 2011 10:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

He isnt 100 percent right now

I know it,you know,rays know it,every MLB team knows it

by RaysOfHope on Aug 24, 2011 11:02 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

There is a difference

between being 100% and needing surgery. By playing B.J. it gives the indication that he does not need surgery and will be able to play next year with rest in the off season. That will increase his value to other teams.

by Landlord on Aug 24, 2011 11:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

Selfish motive

Shoulda let Reid face a lefty. Always a wise move in high lev spots.

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by FreeZorilla on Aug 24, 2011 11:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

He's not going anywhere this season

They can think he’s injured for a game or two even. Once a trade happens in the off-season, everything involves physicals.

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by Jason Collette on Aug 24, 2011 11:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

Kaz was only traded because Reagins loves horrible contracts

The man even traded for Vernon Wells and his 23M dollar yearly salary

by RaysOfHope on Aug 24, 2011 11:16 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

You can't fix stupid

Reagins is an idiot

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by Jason Collette on Aug 24, 2011 11:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

He just has a bad BABIP lately, he'll start getting lucky again soon

If you can't say something to someone's face then it's not worthy of being said behind their back.

by Sandy Kazmir on Aug 24, 2011 11:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

Very much so

Im surprised he didnt make the rays and blue jays eat at least a portion of those contracts. This year alone he paid Kaz and Wells a combined 35M dollars, which is basically our payroll this year.

by RaysOfHope on Aug 24, 2011 11:31 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

He makes Jim Hendry look competent

Maybe the Weaver deal saves his job but that one is on the pitcher wanting to stay there and telling Boras to do exactly what he says

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by Jason Collette on Aug 24, 2011 11:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

And it requires Weaver to stay healthy for 5 years never a sure bet for any pitcher

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by Sandy Kazmir on Aug 24, 2011 11:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

I miss Hendry all ready

Lets pick on Bill Smith some more this offseason

by RaysOfHope on Aug 24, 2011 11:41 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

me too

Yeah, I don't see Badancil turning out well.

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by blackraven on Jun 27, 2011 5:08 PM PDT

by Badancil on Aug 24, 2011 11:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

"wife " and "BJ"

are rarely found in the same place.

by Rayskins on Aug 24, 2011 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

wow

The Rays made Penny look as good at pitching as he is at bagging well-out-of-his-league famous broads.

by Blot on Aug 24, 2011 2:19 PM EDT reply actions  

wild pitch

The wild pitch that Price threw to move runners up to second and third was a killer. He yanked that one bad.

by learnedglove on Aug 24, 2011 2:51 PM EDT reply actions  

rec'd

Yeah, I don't see Badancil turning out well.

@dobbertweets

by blackraven on Jun 27, 2011 5:08 PM PDT

by Badancil on Aug 24, 2011 7:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

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