Ben Zobrist Is Rodney Dangerfield's Nephew
He gets no respect, I tell ya, no respect. Someone raised a glass to Zobrist on his birthday back in May as "the best baseball player in the room," and a sportswriter asked when Derek Jeter arrived. Rumor has it that in 2006, Tim Purpura agreed to trade Mitch Talbot to the Devil Rays for Aubrey Huff but only on the condition Andrew Friedman accepted Zobrist in the trade. This season, the MVP discussions are taking place on the airwaves and the series of tubes in the Interwebs, yet the player that is arguably the Most Valuable Player of the Rays roster can draw nothing more than an "honorable mention" in discussions.
Yes, I am one of those dunderheads that pay attention to down-balloting in these races only because it always comes up when these players come up for Hall of Fame consideration. Someone will invariably say Jim Thome only finished higher than 5th in the MVP balloting once in his entire career while overlooking the writers that voted him SEVENTH the season he lead the league in OPS and finished just 0.1 win behind Alex Rodriguez in bWAR. No, Ben Zobrist is not going into the Hall of Fame, but I dislike the subjective process that the balloting remains for many people. Keith Law and Will Carroll caught a lot of flak for their ballots in 2009, but at least they had an objective process since the BBWWA does not set any kind of firm guidelines out there. The lack of leadership by the BBWWA on this matter leads to comments like this from SI's Jon Heyman:
@chrisrod13 to me most valuable in the league means winning. its not of great value to lose
@FuquaTwitter retorted that comment best on Twitter today with this wonderful tweet:
Bautista not winning AL MVP because of the team he plays on is like blaming a child for being born into poverty, which America is great at.
The award is not called Most Valuable Player On a Winning Team Award, it's called the Most Valuable Player award. My angst today comes from Heyman's piece on the post-season awards today. I loved the fact he had Alex Avila in his top ten because the kid absolutely deserves that kind of attention for his amazing season, but two particular parts of his MVP ballot bugged me - Michael Young 7th and David Ortiz 10th - since both have played more than 60 games in the DH role this season. Nevermind the fact that Zobrist has a higher wOBA than Young this season; Zobrist simply got an honorable mention in the article.
It is not like we do not have metrics out there that can value a player, even if those metrics go about it differently. One of my employers, Baseball Prospectus, uses Wins Above Replacement Player (WARP), FanGraphs has their own version of WAR (fWAR) and Baseball-Reference has theirs as well (bWAR). Those metrics cannot measure the intangible factors such as how a guy's bat or arm made the rest of the team better, but they do an excellent job of showing a player's statistical value on an even playing field. It cannot judge how Justin Verlander or James Shields working deep into nearly every game saves the bullpen for other games, but it can show us how much their statistical contributions are against their peers. Since WARP, fWAR, and bWAR all have their own methods for constructing their final value, I thought it would be helpful to show an average of all three scores in examining the best players in the American League.
Since I am a company man, I took the top 32 players from Baseball Prospectus' WARP report for the season and found the fWAR and bWAR values for those players on FanGraphs and Baseball-Reference and averaged them out to get an aWAR (average WAR) score for each player. The results:
Not only is Zobrist in the top ten here, all three of his value metric totals are also in the top ten. Simply put, Ben Zobrist is more than just an honorable mention in the American League Most Valuable Player Discussion, he should be a real player in the top ten discussion. That said, I am going to go out on a limb and say he will finish lower in the final standings than Jose Valverde if the Tigers win the American League Central and that may not be his only slight at the hands of a closer this post-season.
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great idea for the suggestion box
Thanks!
I'm not a fanboy, I'm a _______
by Jason Collette on Aug 29, 2011 5:27 PM EDT via iPhone app up reply actions
I just don't see the point, this is at least the third time something along these lines has been posted.
and it makes the point somewhat obsolete, at least for the fair readers of DRB.
2 things
He was left off Heyman’s piece and when I mentioned him as belonging in the discussion to Ferrin and Goldstein, 2 guys I have a TON of respect for, I was dismissed out of hand. Thus, I felt it deserved more attention
I'm not a fanboy, I'm a _______
by Jason Collette on Aug 29, 2011 7:08 PM EDT via iPhone app up reply actions
They put more stock into the W-L record of the team he plays for
I'm not a fanboy, I'm a _______
by Jason Collette on Aug 30, 2011 9:33 AM EDT up reply actions
Well that's just retarded. How can you take a man seriously that has an opinion like that?
If you can't say something to someone's face then it's not worthy of being said behind their back.
by Sandy Kazmir on Aug 30, 2011 10:06 AM EDT up reply actions
Agreed, I'm past the point of outrage
It would be nice recognition for the players but any lack of intelligence by the media is a good thing for the org.
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by FreeZorilla on Aug 30, 2011 10:22 AM EDT up reply actions
Honestly, it looks more like the BABIP outlier is 2010, not 2009 and 2011.
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Whatever sample proves your point is a big enough sample
If you can't say something to someone's face then it's not worthy of being said behind their back.
by Sandy Kazmir on Aug 30, 2011 10:07 AM EDT up reply actions
Hmmmm... Upton vs Ellsbury
I wonder where everyone stands now.
I thank Draysbay for proving that Loose Change fanatics exist in mainstream America, and more importantly for Chik-fil-A spicy chicken recommendations. My life is forever changed
or Gardner vs Ellsbury
Remember those talks?
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by Jason Collette on Aug 29, 2011 5:26 PM EDT via iPhone app up reply actions
even worse
Trevor Crowe vs Ellsbury vs Gardner……ugh.
http://baseballanalysts.com/archives/2006/07/juggling_prospe.php
Thank goodness you tried to talk your way out of your original call of Ellsbury
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by FreeZorilla on Aug 29, 2011 10:54 PM EDT up reply actions
What about marginal value?
For example, buying a shut-down reliever makes very little sense to a team that isn’t in contention, but it could make very good sense for a team that is one or two wins off. In the same way, could one not say that a 7.5 win player has more marginal value (or, one could consider it as a higher leveraged value) on a winning team than a 7.8 win player on a 4th place team?
@staplemaniac
To think of it another way
If Curtis Granderson wasn’t blowing the cover off of the ball this year quite as much, the Rays might have passed the Yankees for the playoffs, whereas if Bautista is worth a win less, that doesn’t really effect the outcome of the Blue Jays’ season.
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by staplemaniac on Aug 29, 2011 6:04 PM EDT up reply actions
FTFY
If Curtis Granderson wasn’t blowing the cover off of the ball shooting up HGH this year quite as much
MVP Discussion
That said, I am going to go out on a limb and say he will finish lower in the final standings than Jose Valverde if the Tigers win the American League Central and that may not be his only slight at the hands of a closer this post-season.
I’d think that most writers would lodge a vote for Justin Verlander well ahead of Jose Valverde. As a matter of fact, with a few more wins by Verlander, is going to stoke the debate as to whether a pitcher should win the Cy Young Award and the MVP.
So, we’ll hear whether or not Bautista should get votes on a team that didn’t challenge for a playoff spot.
We’ll hear about Granderson/Teixera and who is the more valuable Yankee.
And we’ll counter the Granderson/Teixera discussion with Ellsbury/Pedroia/Gonzalez.
Meanwhile, out west the Jared Weaver for MVP discussion will balance the Verlander midwest discussion.
In the end Ben Zobrist will get very little discussion and garner very little votes. All he can do is go on a Zorilla hot streak and be the face of the Rays as they take down the Yankees for the Wild Card and then his name will begin to pop up in MVP discussion.

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