Thoughts on Matt Moore
Last night I had a chance to see Matt Moore pitch live for the first time. Over the past few years I've had a chance to watch Hellickson, Price, Davis, Cobb, Torres, Niemann and more pitch for the Durham Bulls on their path to St. Pete. The anticipation of seeing David Price was probably the only thing that exceeded seeing Moore for me, however Moore did a better job of living up to the hype.
The first thing you notice about Moore is his body. Unlike the Rays current staff which ranges from small (Helly) to giant (Niemann), Moore's body is right in the middle with that barrel chested look of a power pitcher (think Josh Beckett or Roger Clemens, just not quite as tall). His delivery, while I've read scouts complain of mechanical issues, seemed effortless as he fired pitches home.
In the 1st, Moore pumped fastballs between 91-94, quickly establishing 94 as his average speed on his heater and showed a change-up (84mph) as his off speed pitch, striking out the 2nd batter with a swinging strike well ahead and above the pitch.
Moore went on to strike out 2 batters an inning for the first four innings continually pounding the zone with his fastball (mostly four-seamers, with what appeared to be a few two-seamers mixed in) and change-up before more frequently introducing his curve the second time through the lineup. His fastball hit 95 in the second and 96 in the third (by comparison, Adam Russell sat at 93 with one pitch at 94). From my recollection Moore didn't have a three ball count until the 4th inning and gave up one walk in the fourth. Over his five innings of work he gave up three singles (none particularly hard hit), struck out nine and walked one. He threw 61 strikes (~72%) on 85 pitches with the only noticeable command issue being occasionally missing up on his fastball. I would like to see the number of foul balls he had (which seemed to be high and the reason the pitch count was a little up there with so few batters reaching base). All and all a very fine outing for Mr. Moore who continually had the Charlotte hitters baffled.
That said the only two complaints I had regarding Moore were he does slow down his delivery when throwing his off speed pitches (Kevin also previously pointed out some pitch tipping issues) and I would have liked to see him bury some off speed pitches down out of the zone on two strike counts. His stuff allowed him to stay in the zone and still get good results, but also led to excessive foul balls.
Of the recent Bulls pitchers I've seen, only Jeremy Hellickson seemed as ready (maybe more) to immediately be successful in the bigs compared to Matt Moore. I know recent history suggests the Rays front office will want a year at Durham to develop, but I honestly can't see a reason for him to spend anymore than a few months (Super Two argument) in AAA next year before beginning his era in the bigs.
Be happy Rays fans, as things aren't going well in St. Pete, there's reason to be excited about another top pitching prospect on his way.
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Hopefully as his changeup continues developing
He’ll be able to start it at the knees and have it drop out of the zone like Shields/Hellickson/Moore. It won’t have the same movement as theirs but starting at the knees and dropping to the shins is still good.
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I wasn't expecting him to throw it as much as he did
Probably something they are focusing on. Hopefully he retains his curve and doesn’t run into the issue Price did with his slider as he was crafting his change.
Another DRB guy on Twitter, @jeffjohn1979
He has mentioned it is something he has worked on.
The slider is a pitch that he considers better, but I like how he works on his weaker pitch more.
That means 7 starters available in St. Pete next year.
Do you think they trade 1 or 2?
This is a great idea
I propose a slightly modified version where each starter gets paired with a caddy. 5 starters, 5 caddies, no bullpen. Now we can keep Jaso, Chirinos, Shoppach and Lobaton on the roster together!
by Barnacles on Aug 3, 2011 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
I really don't see why if we plan on competing in 2012 he isn't in the rotation
I suggest trading Shields and Niemann with a rotation of Price, Hellickson, Cobb, Moore, and Davis. We will still have Sonnanstine, Archer, and possibly Torres if they don’t move him into the pen in AAA if we have injuries. They can also had some 4A type starters on Minor league deals for depth purposes. To compete in this division you have to have your best players on the field and for that we need Moore up to start the year.
Trade Niemann, Moore doesn't come up until July at which time Shields may be more tempting to flip.
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I do think our best case scenario is that Niemann finishes the year strong
And they can get some good value for him this winter. I think they will want to start the year off with Shields and evaulate the position come July. But there is no reason that Moore shouldn’t be up after super two next year. The reality is, there will probably be an injury or underperformer at that point anyway that creates a temporary opening. We have gotten spoiled just assuming that every starter will be healthy all the time.
Another DRB guy on Twitter, @jeffjohn1979
Prehabilitation!
cc that to CC
"It was a little weird seeing Ashley running at me with a closed fist. That was a scary look."-Matt Moore
by CubFanRaysaddict on Aug 3, 2011 6:26 PM EDT up reply actions
If Moore continues to be brilliant, how can the FO justify to everyone else that he needs till July to be up in the bigs?
Helly underwent this, but he wasn’t this dominant in AAA.
quite easily. "he's working on x pitch, and we'd like to see him master it. we also want to watch his innings, so he can be trusted at the end of the season and into teh playoffs."
dust off same script used for Davis, Price, and Hellickson
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by Jason Collette on Aug 3, 2011 5:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Can't do it if he continues with a 14.5 K/9
Obviously that’s probably not going to continue, but seriously, they’re going to have a hard time keeping him down till July, he’s too damn good.
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All that velocity and he isnt even 6 ft tall
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by Tommy Rancel on Aug 4, 2011 9:00 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
Says who?
He’s been listed at 6-2 forever, three inches seems like a lot to add (TWSS)
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by Imperialism32 on Aug 4, 2011 9:10 AM EDT up reply actions

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