It Only Gets Harder in 2012
That's what she said. But seriously, if you think the Rays started this season with a team that could win any division outside of the AL and NL East you were probably right, and I do not doubt they currently would not be atop any division other than the East. But if you think the East was difficult this year then wait until 2012.
We already know the Boston Red Sox are loaded and will not be losing much in the way of talent. The Sox also have a good front office and a nice payroll to work with. The Yankees could possibly lose C.C. Sabathia but I do not see that happening with their deep pockets. The Toronto Blue Jays, who had a $70.5M payroll this year, could easily add to it seeing as how they had a $98M payroll just three seasons ago. They will already sport a ridiculous lineup and there is potential for them to go after a Prince Fielder or Jose Reyes type or drop the money on pitching, and their rotation 2012 projected roation is really in bad shape either. The Orioles are young and growing but their window appears to be in the 2013-2014 season unless they open up the pocket books.
The Rays will start the offseason with holes at first base, shortstop, and designated hitter. If B.J. Upton does not sign an extension he will more than likely be traded, leaving a big hole in left with Desmond Jennings moving over to center. One could argue that a Robinson Chirinos/John Jaso catcher platoon is a hole but I think it has potential and the Rays have too many holes to go out and get a catcher especially with a thin crop in next year's free agent market. We also know that there won't be much offensive help from the farm system
So, what can the Rays do to improve their 2012 team without opening the pocket books too much? Looks like we are back to the trade talk and bargain bin. The Rays have a surplus of arms and currently have a 6-man rotation, which is ridiculous but I won't get into that. Matt Moore is ready for the Majors but we know the Rays move guys along slowly. Alex Torres is also knocking on the door. That gives the Rays 8 legitimate starters that are all under team control for 2012.
A likely scenario is to see the Rays trade Jeff Niemann, who is building value every time he pitches lately. He hsa dropped his ERA more than two runs in July and has a 1.06 ERA and 34 strikeouts in 34 July innings. Oh, he has also pitched much better away than at home. With three years of team control left he could be a very valuable asset on the trade market in the offseason. Would the Rays spin him for more prospects or a major league bat? I would hope a bat. Would the Reds consider Yonder Alonso? The Twins Denard Span? The Royals Billy Butler? Assuming Upton is traded what will he bring in return? Another bat? Probably prospects, leaving the Rays with holes to fill via the bargain bin.
Assuming the Rays fill their first base void with a deal involving Niemann for Yonder Alonso they would still need to fill LF, SS, and DH. I just do not see Casey Kotcham coming back unless he signs a ridiculously cheap hometown deal. I would like to see him back on a cheap deal but he is likely to get more on the open market than what the Rays will offer. Here are the guys I would like to see the Rays target:
Shortstop: After Jose Reyes and Jimmy Rollins are signed there is a significant drop off at short. J.J. Hardy is off the market and the next best option may be Rafael Furcal, who is having a bad year, but could be had on a one-year deal. Only problem is everyone needs a shortstop and deeper pockets could net him on a one year deal for far more than the Rays would shell out. Other than Furcal I would sadly rather see Sean Rodriguez be the everyday short stop. Rays either get Furcal on a one year deal or go with their internal options. Shortstop is not looking too pretty.
Left Field: The best options out there are Carlos Beltran, Nick Swisher, and Josh Willingham. Swisher and Willingham are both type-A free agents so they are out the door and Beltran might command way too much money, although I would love to have him in left and get a rest at DH to keep his bat in the lineup. After that group the Rays could go bargain hunting for Conor Jackson (who also plays a good first base), David DeJesus (type-B), or even J.D. Drew. Andruw Jones and Scott Hairston could be options but not in a full-time role.
DH: David Ortiz is the best available DH out there. Not happening. Lance Berkman could fit and play a little 1B but he likes the NL Central and the Cards will need a 1B if they cannot re-sign Albert Pujols. I prefer to keep this as a revolving door to give players a rest from the field. This leaves the Rays with having to sign another position player, probably a 1B or COF, unless they want to see Johnny Damon hack at every pitch in his effort to reach 3000 hits. There are a lot of options here: Andruw Jones, Jonny Gomes, Kosuke Fukudome, Jason Kubel, Bobby Abreu, Jim Thome, Magglio Ordonez, Russell Branyan, and Jason Giambi
The Rays have a lot of shuffling to do to stay competitive in the AL East next year. I would like to see Upton and Kotchman in Rays uniforms and see the Rays trade for Alonso and rotate the DH spot but I just do not see it. If we are lucky we could see a lineup somewhat like this:
1. Jennings (CF)
2. Zobrist (2B)
3. Longoria (3B)
4. Joyce (RF)
5. Alonso (1B)
6. Jackson/Drew/Jones (LF)
7. Jackson/Drew/Jones (DH)
8. Chirinos/Jaso (C)
9. Furcal/Rodriguez (SS)
You could switch it up however you want but with a top-heavy free agent market and not a lot of money to spend the Rays have a tough offseason in front of them. But isn't the allure of what our front office can do what keeps us Rays coming back?
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In many ways this feels like a wasted season
Notwithstanding the relative lack of success our 2010 free agent departures have had elsewhere, we really haven’t effectively plugged any of the holes that were left by Crawford, Pena, or Bartlett. Kotch has been great, but will he be back or able to repeat? Brignac just fell flat on his face, and left field has been a black hole of offense as well.
At least we’ve groomed some pitching talent that can be used next year.
I'm sure he will do a great job replacing Upton
The Rays will start the offseason with holes at first base, shortstop, and designated hitter. If B.J. Upton does not sign an extension he will more than likely be traded, leaving a big hole in left with Desmond Jennings moving over to center.
by GomesSweetGomes on Aug 5, 2011 2:37 PM EDT up reply actions
And if we were discussing 2011
This would be relevant.
by GomesSweetGomes on Aug 5, 2011 4:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Now, if you want to assume we will hold onto Upton and go from there
I’m all ears. But if we don’t, and the prevailing wisdom seems to lean this way, I stand by my point.
by GomesSweetGomes on Aug 5, 2011 4:16 PM EDT up reply actions
I see him as much better
Which is why I feel this would have been a great year to give him more PT. The fact that Ruggs/Fuld/Damon have seen so many times up at the plate is exactly why I feel that much of this year has been a waste. Same goes for Jennings. There will come a point where he has gone through the league once, pitcher will adjust, and he will also have to make an adjustment….I just hope that occurs this year rather than next.
by GomesSweetGomes on Aug 5, 2011 4:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Together they have accounted for over 800 PA's
And if you believe as I do that Helliot is not a long term solution for…well, anything, that number approaches 1000. Thats 2 player-season’s worth of treading water with nothing more than a backup outfielder (Fuld) to show for it in 2012.
by GomesSweetGomes on Aug 5, 2011 4:26 PM EDT up reply actions
I feel as long as we stay in the ALE we are doomed
As you point out TOR now is a major player, both in developing, aquiring talent and the ability to spend to keep that talent and get more when needed
I fully expect them to be major players for Prince Fielder this off season
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Continues to ignore that we've won the division twice in the last 4 seasons
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I disagree
Going forward (which is the topic of this article), its not a crazy assessment. Carl Crawford isn’t walking through that door.
by GomesSweetGomes on Aug 5, 2011 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Well, unless we can add some of those 2008 or 2010 wins onto our total for next year
They are about as relevant as determining what Kotch will do next year on the basis of his current batting average.
by GomesSweetGomes on Aug 5, 2011 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions
You're a fool if you think the Rays can never compete in this division based on the season of their worst team of the last four years
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I took 'doomed' as meaning our playoff chances
We ‘competed’ in 2009. I think this could easily devolve into a semantics debate, but I think we can all agree that NY/Boston have become Much more efficient in their allocation of resources, and that the basic premise of the title above ‘It only gets harder’ is 100% correct.
by GomesSweetGomes on Aug 5, 2011 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Or to put it another way
If we had the magical ability to freeze the 2008 Rays in time, and put them in this division for the next 5 years, I’d put their chances of making the playoffs in any given year at less than 30%.
by GomesSweetGomes on Aug 5, 2011 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions
The Rays will still field a competitive team that is capable of winning any division.
It will only get harder in the AL East moving forward, though.
No doubt, but our opposition is going to have a season here or there where things just break bad for them
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Sure, but the the more difficulty comes from Toronto than those other teams. How much better can they play than one, the other, or both have played over these years?
2010 was unkind to the Red Sox, 2008 for the Yankees, they both go through cycles just like us, though their troughs are much shallower and last shorter periods.
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And you mocked me for thinking Antho was good this offseason.
Eventually BAL might be a headache too, once they figure out how to not break every pitching prospect that comes through their system.
by R.J. Anderson on Aug 5, 2011 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Someone at the World Wide Leader mentioned he's hearing McPhail will step down at the end of the year.
where are my gifs? is this a new thread? you guys are litl fucking sluts. uck you guys. i bet you guys tmpons in the womines bathromms and pay 75 cents for each ne. fuck you
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by PriceMultiCyYoungs on Aug 6, 2011 9:23 AM EDT up reply actions
You need to spend in two ways, and the Rays are reluctant to do either
1- maintain at least a $75-90 mil payroll
2-pay over slot in the draft like Tigers have done
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The failure to do #2 is what irks me
While they have done a great job developing talent, this team would never have made the playoffs (ever) if not for the performances by top 10 picks Upton, Price, and Longoria. And unless we are willing to pay overslot we won’t be seeing that type of talent infused into the system anytime soon.
by GomesSweetGomes on Aug 5, 2011 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Brandon Guyer, anyone?
He wasn’t mentioned but I’m guessing he’s the most likely candidate to be in LF assuming B.J. is traded. I’d rather see him out in the field than the Jones/Drew throwback platoon.
Also, I know people hate this but Brignac will be given another shot at SS.
What do you think you have in Brandon Guyer?
and if he and Jennings are getting most of the PT in the ’12 OF along with strictly platoon RFer MOM, i see no upgrade
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4th place next year no matter what we do
Season’s over.
Decade is over.
Just move the team.
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I don't know but it may be worthwhile to find out at some point.
He might be a 4th OFer but you never know. And I’d rather see him play than Fuld, Ruggiano, Drew or Jones.
Amen
Only one way to find out. Maybe he’s AAAA. But as compared to the other options he doesnt look so bad. This would have been a great season to find out throws brick
by GomesSweetGomes on Aug 5, 2011 2:08 PM EDT up reply actions
I really wanted a long look at Guyer this year.
When Ruggs got the call I thought it should’ve been Guyer the whole time. Maybe he gets the LF job next year. I’d be ok with that, I just didn’t see it as the first option but I definitley wouldn’t complain.
How do you see no upgrade?
Jennings is probably a better hitter than Upton right now, and Guyer is better than the non-Jennings left field options that have been run out there.
by R.J. Anderson on Aug 5, 2011 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Rays LFers this season:.251 .303 .422
Rays CFers this season: .237 .317 .409
I think Guyer, Jennings, and Fuld can combine to match or exceed those totals.
by R.J. Anderson on Aug 5, 2011 2:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Jennings power has been a very pleasent surprise
Obviously very SSS but the way he is hitting the ball he could very easily be a 20-25 HR guy
by BJ the Bossman on Aug 5, 2011 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions
He has a lot more pop than you'd expect from a speedy player.
by R.J. Anderson on Aug 5, 2011 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Have you seen him in person? He's not a waterbug, but a lot more like Crawford in that he's a big guy that's probably going to strap more muscle on
He’s not Dom Brown, but he’s not a punch and Judy type guy as I thought before seeing him play
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This is true. Good swing on balls up in the zone.
Although, I do not see 20+ homer power there. I hope I am wrong but I see 15 homer power.
I mean I expected the gap power
but not to this extent. And these HR’s have just been the icing on the cake. Could not have had a better debut so far
by BJ the Bossman on Aug 5, 2011 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Brignac/Rodriguez may be our only option at SS next year.
The FA market for SS is thin after Reyes and Rollins. Furcal is next best and he’s no sure thing to be good or cheap.
Isnt jamey carroll going to be a fa?
I would take him on a one year deal
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by RaysOfHope on Aug 5, 2011 3:01 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I would too.
.362 OBP the past four seasons. Not sold on him on defense at short, though. At least not as a full-time player. But worth a cheap flier. I bet he gets two years somewhere.
He could be a good super utility player
Could start at 2nd or ss to give someone a break
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by RaysOfHope on Aug 5, 2011 3:14 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I know Briggy was terrible this year
but I’m not giving up on him yet. If he and SRod show a little improvement (SRod in the field, Briggy at the dish) it’s a platoon that can at least be a little better than league average.
by BJ the Bossman on Aug 5, 2011 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Exactly
It’s been pretty ugly at times this year but it can be even worse
by BJ the Bossman on Aug 5, 2011 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Potential 2012 SS free agent minus Reyes and Rollins:
Shortstops
Yuniesky Betancourt MIL (option)
Ronny Cedeno PIT
Adam Everett CLE
Rafael Furcal LAD
Alex Gonzalez ATL
Cesar Izturis BAL
John McDonald TOR
Augie Ojeda ARI
Nick Punto STL
Edgar Renteria CIN
Ramon Santiago DET
Marco Scutaro BOS (option)
Jack Wilson SEA
No thanks unless they sign a 1yr/1M deal!
Hows jack wilson doing this year?
He used to be a very solid ss
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by RaysOfHope on Aug 5, 2011 3:21 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I didnt think he was doing good but I figured I would ask based on his past
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by RaysOfHope on Aug 5, 2011 3:26 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
We know the free agency options
But what about the trade options? Who could be available?
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by RaysOfHope on Aug 5, 2011 3:20 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I don't see any legit SS options available in trade.
Ian Desmond? Brendan Ryan? I’d rather go with Briggy/Rodriguez.
Perhaps jason donald
Pastoricky from the braves, everth cabrera and blanks for niemann would be nice
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by RaysOfHope on Aug 5, 2011 3:30 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I think Niemann could net more than that.
I’d want a proven bat or one with higher upside for Niemann. Jason Donald is just an extra guy. I don’t see him as a regular.
I believe that blanks will be very good
And cabrera has a ton of speed, perhaps we could trade torres for them
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by RaysOfHope on Aug 5, 2011 3:35 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I still like Blanks but that K rate scares me.
I’m not sure who the Rays would trade for him or what a fair trade would be for him. Torres might be too much in the eys of the Rays FO.
Ya torres could be a shut down reliever
But relievers are probably the most easy thing to find. I believe he could be a quality 3/4 type on another team, just no room for him here
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by RaysOfHope on Aug 5, 2011 3:42 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
No room, yet...
Yeah, you trade on what the talent is not what it would fit right now on the team. He’s a good 4-5 with 2-3 potential but a current reliever for the Rays. Trade on talent.
Ya I agree
Like I usually do with u. Really I think all we need is a one year stop gap, I believe in beckham, he is only 21 and is still developing
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by RaysOfHope on Aug 5, 2011 3:52 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I think I am the only one not sold on Beckham.
If we could trade him for a legit MLB ready bat I’d do it in a heartbeat. I think I’m alone in that camp, though.
I see the warming signs about him
But he is only 21 and is putying up decent numbers
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by RaysOfHope on Aug 5, 2011 4:04 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Agreed. I like the production of a 21 yr old in AA but I would like to sell now while his value is good.
I dont want to sell on beckham
I really dont want to sell on any of our position prospects, we dont have too many of those. I want to sell some of our pitching first
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by RaysOfHope on Aug 5, 2011 5:57 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I think guyer has some hunter pence in him
Or maybe some cuddyer in him
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by RaysOfHope on Aug 5, 2011 3:46 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I agree
Even though brignac has been terrible this year I dont want to write him off as the shortstop for next year. If he could provide a .260-.270 average with 10-15 bombs I think that would be acceptable with the defense he provides.
by Joe Maddon's Glasses on Aug 5, 2011 2:08 PM EDT up reply actions
He's done nothing since 2006 to suggest he has this type of ceiling
Even last year, under a fairly well managed platoon he got on base at a .307 clip. Further, it appears he has consistently walked less and struck out more as he has advanced through the system. He would make a great defensive repalcement at SS or utility man, but his last 2000 or so plate appearances from AA to MLB speak to his ability imho.
by GomesSweetGomes on Aug 5, 2011 2:15 PM EDT up reply actions
There's hope for you afterall--Brignac another overhyped stiff Rays FO paraded as being a star
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I've never been high on him
I remember catching crap back in ’08 for being ready to label him a bust. Obviously I was pleased with last year, but he has not really fixed the giant hole in his swing, and its just a matter of whether opposing pitchers have read the scouting reports and know where to place the ball.
by GomesSweetGomes on Aug 5, 2011 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions
You could place it down the middle and he would foul it off this year.
He was so far off this year with his swing. He is doing well in only 26 AAA PAs so far with a .286/.423/.524 but it’s such a small sample size.
And thats a good place for him for the time being
Hell, given our chances I wouldnt raise hell if they let him work on his swing at the MLB level. At least that way we would not be hurting our chances for success like we would if we insisted on running him out there next April on a hope and a prayer.
by GomesSweetGomes on Aug 5, 2011 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Guys that can play plus defense at SS with or without a bat grow on trees in your fantasyland?
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I'd have no problem seeing Brignac face the toughest righties and Rodriguez getting all lefties, let Roddy face a handful of righties just to keep the split around 50/50
Roddy can still fill in at 2B/3B/OF if necessary if you want to get him in the lineup
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Brignac should finish the year in AAA.
Let Rodriguez play it out up here but since becoming an everyday player in July 17th he is hitting .200/.304/.267 in 70 PAs. SSS but thought it would be much better. Still think he offers more right now than Briggy.
This conversation really begs the question for me
What is Johnny Damon still doing here? Because if they aren’t re-signing him, he’s really just another Greg Norton.
by GomesSweetGomes on Aug 5, 2011 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions
I'd just as soon see Brignac at DH for the rest of the year
As crazy as that may sound.
by GomesSweetGomes on Aug 5, 2011 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Damon's performance has been really overrated.
Just going off BPro, he’s been paid $4.4m per WARP. That’s the worst rate on the active Rays. On the flip side, Joyce is being paid about $200k per WARP, which is the best on the team.
by R.J. Anderson on Aug 5, 2011 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions
The whole idea of service time management
Is to SAVE money. If you’re going to be paying 2 million or so for Damon to play out the year in present value, he’d better be saving you upwards of 5 million down the road. I don’t see that.
by GomesSweetGomes on Aug 5, 2011 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions
It would be really interesting to run those numbers.
Lets assume for a second that we had the time machine, and could deal Damon for a bucket of balls the second Ramirez tests positive, call up DJ and expose him to S2 status. Would the 5 million or so saved in present value be worth more than the future value of what Jennings would pull in Arb?
I think the answer is no, but I could be wrong.
by GomesSweetGomes on Aug 5, 2011 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Good point.
But if we had a time machine I’d rather go back and draft Pujols in the 12th round before the Cards get him in the 13th. Or build the stadium in Tampa, or…
Were we unaware that Damon was only signed for a year?
by GomesSweetGomes on Aug 5, 2011 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions
The purpose of this is not to blame the rays for not dumping him
But rather that saving service time is often a zero sum game in which you have to consider the salaries of the current roster before determining whether leaving a top talent is worth it.
when you are paying Aybar near the league minumum to man 3b, it makes total sense….but not so much when you’re trotting a Damon (or even a BJ upton at 5 mil) out there.
by GomesSweetGomes on Aug 5, 2011 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions
I understand what you are saying, and I agree with you.
I’m just pointing out that we did sign him and we expected a much different Damon than the hack-happy one we trot out there.
I think Jennings should’ve been up because I hope the new CBA will do away with S2, making the whole Jennings debacle moot.
Playoff odds weren't very good then, so I'm not sure if it would be worth it.
I’d probably rather take my shot with the extra money saved knowing what we knew about this team then.
by R.J. Anderson on Aug 5, 2011 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Boston was down too then, but you knew they were going to rage back and win a ton.
If the Rays had gotten a better jump on them, I might be more inclined to say go for it, but after Manny retired I wasn’t feeling too good about this team’s odds of contention.
by R.J. Anderson on Aug 5, 2011 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions
With bostons crappy pitching even with an average offense he would kick the crap out of them
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by RaysOfHope on Aug 5, 2011 3:08 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Next year will be David Price's final season here
If he’s awarded $6mil in arby after this year, he’d be staring at $9-10 for ’13
The Rays traded Garza when his price tag hit $5.8mil
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Price is signed for $1.5M for 2012 then hits arbitration in 2013 for the first time.
We won’t trade him until at least after that.
I believe he can opt out of that 1.5 in lieu of arbitration
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With how well Cobb has been pitching
and how out of this world Moore has looked, this doesnt even scare me. A starting 5 of Helly, Davis, Cobb, Moore, and one of Shields/Archer/Torres? Love it. And the package we could get back for Price will be insane. I doubt we’ll be too worried about depth in our system after that trade
by BJ the Bossman on Aug 5, 2011 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions
I doubt we'll be worried about depth anyway.
We have a top 1-3 system and we just had a major haul in the draft. I would like to see Price retained but I fear the price will be too high. Thank goodness, like you said, we have the pitching depth if it comes to that.
Well I guess at that point we wouldn't be worried anyway
just right now there is a bit of a gap between great young players and major league ready talent
by BJ the Bossman on Aug 5, 2011 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Even colome or thompson could be a quality number 5
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by RaysOfHope on Aug 5, 2011 3:39 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
let an elected official decide on that
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by sternfan1 on Aug 5, 2011 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Sign upton to a long term deal
Jenning in lf,upton in cf, and let guyer and joyce platoon or move joyce to dh and let guyer and fuld platoon
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by RaysOfHope on Aug 5, 2011 3:06 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
I'd be ok with the first one you mentioned.
I don’t like Joyce as a full-time DH. It’s a waste and he may not welcome it. I just don’t see Upton signing an extension. I feel it would have already been done. He hits free agency year after next.
I hope this offseason they try one last time to sign beej to an extension
If not then trade him for the right package. Which would make me very sad
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by RaysOfHope on Aug 5, 2011 3:24 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I think that will be there plan of attack.
I don’t think he projects to bring back a pick in free agency and the Rays will trade if they cannot sign him to an extension.
Ive heard he is borderline type b
So ya trade him if he doesnt sign long term
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by RaysOfHope on Aug 5, 2011 3:32 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
When do you think Sale and O'Conner will be ready for MLB?
I’m weighing on the side of never
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Sale has been unlucky this year
O’Conner K’s way too much, but he is only 19, its way too early to count out his powerful bat
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by RaysOfHope on Aug 5, 2011 3:44 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Even Gengler who is more of an optimist has put the fork in O'Conner
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Even if he doesnt pan out and sale and vettleson do
Ill be very happy, im not giving up on a 19 year old power bat yet
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by RaysOfHope on Aug 5, 2011 3:49 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Sterny brought it up
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by RaysOfHope on Aug 5, 2011 4:05 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
What side looks better
Price- Kazmir
Shields- Garza
Hellickson- Shields
Niemann- Sonnanstine
Davis- Miller
Cobb- Gross
Cruz – Wheeler
Howell- Bradford
Gomes- Iwamura
McGee- Howell
Peralta- Balfour
Farnesworth- Price
Jaso – Navarro
Kotchman- Pena
Zobrist- Zobrist
Rodriguez- Bartlett
Longoria- Longo
Jennings- Crawford
Upton- Upton
Joyce- Baldelli
Damon- Floyd
Shoppach- Hernandez
Johnson- Aybar
Fuld- Perez
Ruggiano- Hinske
My fist-Your face
@SandyKazmir
Sometimes you eat the bear...
by Sandy Kazmir on Aug 6, 2011 12:19 AM EDT up reply actions

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