Godzilla Smash: Rays Drop Game (And Series) To Athletics
Sometimes there's just one team that you cannot beat. Back when the Devil Rays were terrible, it used to feel to me like they always beat the Red Sox, despite the fact that the team was so bad. And this season, it seems as though the Rays simply can't beat the A's.
After today's 4-3 loss, the Rays have now lost five of the last seven games they have played against the A's (all within the last two weeks). The Rays fought hard in today's game and almost pulled out the win, but they fell just a tad short.
David Price did his best Scott Kazmir impression today, lasting only 4.2 innings while allowing 10 baserunners (7 hits, 3 walks) and striking out seven. He relied almost exclusively on his fastball again today, but his command was off and he couldn't seem to hit his spots. He fell behind on many batters, worked deep into count after count, and quickly racked up a high pitch count. And after getting handed a 3-1 lead in the fourth inning, Price promptly gave it away in the top of the fifth by allowing a two-run home run to Hideki Matsui.
But let's get back to Price's pitch selection. He threw 85 two- or four-seam fastballs today, 77% of his total pitches -- and the pitch he threw next most often was a variation of his fastball: a cutter that ran around 89-90 MPH. All in all, Price only threw 13 off-speed pitches all game (5 changeups, 8 curveballs), and he seemed to have a difficult time locating them for strikes.
Even when he's not on his game, Price still has dominant stuff (10 whiffs, 7 strikeouts tonight). He needs to get his feel back for his pitches, though, and I'm baffled as to why he hasn't thrown more off-speed pitches recently. I have full faith he'll get everything straightened out eventually; it's just a matter of how soon.
Game Notes:
- For all of Price's struggles, the Rays still had a great chance to win this game. They were only down by one run going into the sixth inning, and they tied the game in the seventh on a home run from Evan Longoria. The bullpen held the A's scoreless all the way until the 10th inning, when Jake McGee let up the game-winning home run to Josh Willingham. The Rays rallied late to try and close the gap, getting two runners on in the bottom of the tenth with one out, but then they couldn't bring a run home.
- And of course, the Rays wouldn't have made it into extra innings if it wasn't for Casey Kotchman and Desmond Jennings. Kotchman hit his sixth home run of the season in the fourth inning, and Desmond Jennings had three hits and drove in one run.
Jennings' first hit was a piece of beauty. He placed a perfect bunt down the first base line and easily reached base. I swear, Jennings continues to impress me. He has plate discipline, blinding speed, and can actually bunt? I think I'm in love.
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Doesn't Price Need to Develop a Killer Breaking Ball to Go With His Great Fastball?
It seems the batters are sitting on his fastball and just crush it because they know his other stuff is sub par.
"other stuff"
Maddon's Mission
Make you want to kill him, then make you want to love him. Sly.
by Jonah Keri on Jun 19, 2010 10:31 PM EDT
GTMI Fail - makes me wonder...
When does Derrek Shelton start getting heat for this horrible offense?
Cherishing Matt Moore right now on MiLB.tv
Can’t wait for him to get called up next year and losing all of his pitches.
Maddon's Mission
Make you want to kill him, then make you want to love him. Sly.
by Jonah Keri on Jun 19, 2010 10:31 PM EDT
4IP 2H 6K
Maddon's Mission
Make you want to kill him, then make you want to love him. Sly.
by Jonah Keri on Jun 19, 2010 10:31 PM EDT
"Called up next year"
The caller said the boy, after removing the bulb from its socket, left the building and threw the bulb on the ground. When the bulb broke, the caller said the boy screamed "Then me and the girlz all snuggle up in my swampwater bed and doze off listening to the sounds of lost souls and monkeys crying in the night…aint it great to be a zombie!"
by Top Gun Numba 1 on Aug 8, 2011 9:54 AM EDT up reply actions
let's everybody calm down now
If you don’t look at silly things like actual on-field results, Price is better than last year. In fact, he’s “one of the best pitchers in the league” who “just keeps getting better and better”.
(I read that last week in some column in the St. Pete Times written by some sorta baseball expert, so it must be true.)
It was probably Slow
Sick burn…. and ban.
Maddon's Mission
Make you want to kill him, then make you want to love him. Sly.
by Jonah Keri on Jun 19, 2010 10:31 PM EDT
Haha, well done.
Tip of the hat.
I love Casey Fossum. Now try and take me seriously. -- @steveslow
by Steve Slowinski on Aug 7, 2011 8:02 PM EDT up reply actions
balance in all things
Just like love, too much sabermatics OR too much just-eyeballin’ can make you blind.
Just saying, you may want to check exactly what I wrote.
I conceded all the issues he’s been having recently, and I’m pretty sure I mentioned his “regression” could come later once he straightens them all out.
I love Casey Fossum. Now try and take me seriously. -- @steveslow
by Steve Slowinski on Aug 7, 2011 9:34 PM EDT up reply actions
um, those were your exact words
Not trying to be an ass here, buddy, but that’s what you said in the last sentence of your column last Sunday: http://www.tampabay.com/sports/baseball/rays/article1183452.ece
Correction: Looking it over again, I see that you actually called Price “one of the best pitchers in baseball”, not just “one of the best in the league.” Sorry.
and about this "regression" thing...
Again, it ain’t “regression” if the factors change. Flip a fair coin 1000 times and it should regress to the mean. Flip a different coin and your data starts fresh.
If Price changes the way he pitches and his results improve (which I hope and pray he does), then it’s not “regression”; it’s better pitching. Same thing happened with Shields – he’s pitching differently this year than he had for the past few seasons. Not regression, but improvement.
Yes, it’s semantics, but while I’m being snarky, I might as well let it all out…
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Also, Price’s struggles over the past month appear to be location-related, as he’s walking more batters than earlier in the year and leaving a surprising number of hittable pitches over the plate. […] But as James Shields has shown through his success this season, this is far from an insurmountable problem.
He has taken steps forward this year toward being an even better pitcher than he was last season, even if that progress hasn’t shown up in his ERA yet. Once Price gets everything to click into place, the rest of the American League should take note.
I agree with all you just said, so I think you’re missing the point a bit. My argument was that Price has shown lots of really, really good signs this season, and everything points to him being increasingly dominant down the road. There have been some blips and he has things to work on, but he’s much better than people are giving him credit for right now.
Once things come back again, he’s “regressing” in the sense that he’s regressing toward his true talent level. Right now, he’s playing below that level…we all know he can be better than this. But everything in his portfolio suggests there are good things a’coming once he gets it all straightened out.
And I think that’s where the disconnect is happening: the true talent level part. Price is one of the best pitchers in baseball, even if he’s not pitching at that level right now or this season. It’s like if though Albert Pujols is having a down year, I still consider him one of the best players in baseball because that’s what his track record suggests.
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by Steve Slowinski on Aug 7, 2011 11:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Haha, fair enough.
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by Steve Slowinski on Aug 7, 2011 11:39 PM EDT up reply actions
"Start off"
Member since 4/5/08 aka longer than Dobber has been a Rays fan
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more history, fwiw
I had another login way back when this place was young but lost the password and started over. Been here longer than most of the current mooks, including the entire staff.
addendum
Maybe one or two current staffers was (were) visitors to the site before me, but if so, they weren’t on the official staff.
I don't insult people for their lack of access
@SandyKazmir
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by Sandy Kazmir on Aug 7, 2011 10:18 PM EDT up reply actions
hrmmmm:
great article, says us
Those stats are soooo right. All the batting practice-like starts that James threw last year (and the year before that) were all just due to bad luck. He’s so dominant that all you can do is close your eyes and take a big cut, but darned if that ball didn’t keep making dents in the outfield wall, or flying right over it… over and over again… :drools:
Ahem. Anyway, Shieldsy is a great pitcher who definitely deserves to be trotted out there every 5 days. Without fail. No doubt about it.
Love,
Every hitter in the American League
PS Pretty please!
by zeng8r on Nov 26, 2010 12:55 PM EST actions
LeeCaz in Upton jersey
Maddon's Mission
Make you want to kill him, then make you want to love him. Sly.
by Jonah Keri on Jun 19, 2010 10:31 PM EDT
Guys, I think it's time to admit something has happened to Price....
He’s been Hickey’d.
@dobbertweets
Should we think about trading Price in the offseason...
…for a HUGE package in return? His stock is still sky high around the league, so we could restock the farm system and pick up a MLB-ready bat or two in the deal. And with his affordable salary, we wouldn’t be restricted to high-payroll trading partners.
Sounds crazy, but if the FO isn’t confident that he’s going to figure things out and become the ace we thought he’d become, they should move him sooner than later. Now he’s not going to collapse like Kid K, but I’m not sure he’s actually going to live up to his potential. Maybe it’s time to cash in on the hype.
Just something to think about…
No one is going to give you enough for him
Because there is not enough teams with that much.
I put the screw IN THE TUNA!
Umm, are you forgetting his 2010 season?
If you’re this concerned about Price, that’s a problem.
I love Casey Fossum. Now try and take me seriously. -- @steveslow
by Steve Slowinski on Aug 7, 2011 9:36 PM EDT up reply actions
He lived on his fastball in 2010
The league adjusted, and not only has he has not adjusted back, but he’s less consistent with his fastball command than he was. He has to regain that command and improve his secondary pitches or this is his ceiling.
He’s young and smart and uber-talented, so he might be able to get it done. But it’s not a sure thing, and it’d be shortsighted for the FO to say he’s untouchable. They have to win another way, you know.
Eh, he threw his curveball and changeup a lot more earlier this season and back in 2010.
He’s moved away from them recently, which baffles me…I’m guessing it’s a feel thing and he’s not as confident in them right now. But his curve and change are both good offerings, so I think it’s just a matter of him learning how to become a more complete pitcher and not just blow batters away with heat.
And yes, agreed, his command is not good right now. But he’s far from a Kazmir….with Kaz you knew that was just how it was, but Price typically has much better command than this. He’s just going through a bad stretch, or so it seems.
I love Casey Fossum. Now try and take me seriously. -- @steveslow
by Steve Slowinski on Aug 7, 2011 10:10 PM EDT up reply actions
the only comparison I made to Kaz...
was to say that Price is not like him.
All I’m saying is that, right now, “King Davis” is still a good pitcher, but his reputation is far above his current reality. If the Rays receive a knockout offer in the offseason, they should definitely consider it.
I'm assuming you mean "King Price" which I've never heard him called, but my larger issue is that you think you've stumbled on some kind of secret here.
The Rays will trade any and all players if they receive “a knockout offer.” Carry on with this little crusade as there are some good points in there, but you can certainly use a different tone to convey your message.
@SandyKazmir
Sometimes you eat the bear...
by Sandy Kazmir on Aug 7, 2011 10:21 PM EDT up reply actions
King David, imo
I think many fans would have considered Price untouchable, especially before this year. If he doesn’t show improvement by the end of the season, I’d go so far as to quietly put out some feelers were I Friedman.
Most of us try to shy away from anything that might be construed as anti-semitic
@SandyKazmir
Sometimes you eat the bear...
Sooo...what did you think of James Shields this past offseason?
Because honestly, I’d like to see you make an argument on why Price has hit his ceiling that couldn’t have been made for Shields last year. Their struggles over the past two years are very similar (in the sense that they’re location related), and as Shields has shown, they’re far from a deathknell.
I love Casey Fossum. Now try and take me seriously. -- @steveslow
by Steve Slowinski on Aug 7, 2011 11:32 PM EDT up reply actions
very true
But Price’s trade value right now is WAY higher than Shields was at the end of last season. James was affordable and not as coveted by other teams, so there wasn’t much to lose in keeping him and letting try to work out of his problems.
Yes, but you'd still be selling low.
That’s not how the Rays operate. They sell high whenever possible….if anything, Shields would be the one to go. I tend to think the Rays keep them both this offseason, but we’ll see.
I still think you’re being too harsh on Price. So he’s in a slump…all players go through them. But he’s still only a short distance away from being dominant again…his problems are MUCH less of a worry than Shields’ were last season.
I love Casey Fossum. Now try and take me seriously. -- @steveslow
by Steve Slowinski on Aug 7, 2011 11:37 PM EDT up reply actions
i can agree with that last part
Honestly, I thought James was done. A change in approach saved his career, imo.
And again, the Rays should only move Price if they could get a package commensurate with his potential. Selling low is definitely not an option; let him try to work things out in that case.
Makes sense...if you thought Shields was done before, I can see why you'd think Price has big issues.
Shields is throwing his FB 10% less often this season and compensating by throwing more curveballs and changeups. That’s been big, but I think another huge deal has been his control….he’s locating pitches where he wants and not missing with his FB over the plate like he did last year. Both parts are important to his success right now.
And those are the exact same things we’re looking for out of Price. We were beating the “Shields will be okay” drum last year, and I’ll beat on the “Price will be okay” drum all day long.
I love Casey Fossum. Now try and take me seriously. -- @steveslow
by Steve Slowinski on Aug 8, 2011 12:21 AM EDT up reply actions
I could see why you would be more worried about Price because unlike Shields
he doesn’t have a great secondary pitch.
I do this for free
Price will come back stronger then ever next season
A-rod's salary? 30 Million, Evan Longoria's? 1M, god i love life as a rays fan
by RaysOfHope on Aug 8, 2011 12:39 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I think his curve and change have done well in the past.
And I did like the slidery action on his cutter last night. But yeah, I would also love to see him with that killer slider again.
I love Casey Fossum. Now try and take me seriously. -- @steveslow
by Steve Slowinski on Aug 8, 2011 7:38 AM EDT up reply actions
this is what he thought:
great article, says us
Those stats are soooo right. All the batting practice-like starts that James threw last year (and the year before that) were all just due to bad luck. He’s so dominant that all you can do is close your eyes and take a big cut, but darned if that ball didn’t keep making dents in the outfield wall, or flying right over it… over and over again… :drools:
Ahem. Anyway, Shieldsy is a great pitcher who definitely deserves to be trotted out there every 5 days. Without fail. No doubt about it.
Love,
Every hitter in the American League
PS Pretty please!
by zeng8r on Nov 26, 2010 12:55 PM EST actions
Price's FIP is nearly identical to last year
Which is weird considering how much the variables have changed (better K/BB, worse HR rate). His xFIP is 0.60 lower this year. I can’t say I’m dissatisfied.
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If we scored 4 runs a game for him it wouldn't seem as bad. Margins are so thin for these guys on the bump.
@SandyKazmir
Sometimes you eat the bear...
by Sandy Kazmir on Aug 8, 2011 10:04 AM EDT up reply actions
So you're saying the only measure of success for a pitcher is Wins and Losses
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by Top Gun Numba 1 on Aug 8, 2011 10:15 AM EDT up reply actions
Agendas are driven by wins and losses
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