Price Can't Hold Lead, Howell Can't Hold Tie; Rays Lose 4-2
by BWoodrum on Sep 13, 2011 11:52 PM EDT
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The original form of this recap come from SBN Tampa Bay.
The Rays (82-65) led late, but could not hold their tenuous 2-1 lead, falling to the Baltimore Orioles (59-88) and falling to 4.0 games back in the Wild Card race. Unfortunately, the Rays starter David Price and reliever J.P. Howell (L, 2-3) each saw just one batter too many.
The Rays took a 2-1 lead in the sixth when Evan Longoria smacked a homer to left. And though David Price was looking strong, it felt obvious the Rays needed more offense to secure a win.
Price started the day well, allowing only 1 unearned run through 6 and 2/3 innings, striking out 6 and walking 3. But with Nolan Reimold on second base, pinch hitter Jake Fox powered a cutter to the left field gap, tying the game at 2-2 with a double.
Then, in the 7th, J.P. Howell came into the game in relief of Juan Cruz. Howell got two deep fly outs to start the inning, but then walked Vladimir Guerrero. This brought up the switch-hitting catcher Matt Wieters, who was sporting a 1.071 OPS against left-handed pitcher in 2011. Wieters then smacked a crushing homer to left, giving the Orioles the crucial 4-2 lead. Brandon Gomes then came in to close out the inning for Howell.
Just like that, the Rays had essentially lost the game. After a short top of the 9th, the Rays were back to 4 games behind the Boston Red Sox in the Wild Card race.
Notes:
- In the bottom of the 5th, Desmond Jennings made a stand-up-and-shout-at-your-television catch, sprinting into the left field wall as he snagged a liner from Robert Andino.
- B.J. Upton continues to play well, going 1 for 4 with a walk and 2 steals. Evan Longoria also hit well, knocking the aforementioned homer as well as an early-game double. Altogether, though, the offense combined for 11 Ks and just 2 BBs.
- J.P. Howell now has an ERA over 6.00 this year and seems to be struggling mightily with his command. Having missed over a year with his recent injury, he is basically getting undergoing on-the-job Spring Training. Hopefully he can sort out his issues quickly and return to his previous late-inning dominance.
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i cant for Johnny Damon to leave
Also another bases loaded no outs no runs. What a joke
by RaysOfHope on Sep 14, 2011 12:16 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
JP Howell needs to exclusively be shifted to face only LHH
As he’s been very solid against them in 2011
9K/9, 2.25BB/9, .56HR/9, 2.78FIP/2.66xFIP
But against RHH-disaster
6.39K/9, 9.95BB/9, 2.13HR/9, 8.24FIP/6.24xFIP
Wonder if the offense struggling was unavoidable as BJ, Longo, Joyce are the only 3 having big numbers(it’s like 2.5 since Joyce hasn’t gotten as many PA)-it’s a 2 man show half the time. Especially since Jennings is in rookie-mode, .226 wOBA this month.
All numbers before tonight’s results.
I put the screw IN THE TUNA!
I really don't know what Maddon was thinking sending JP out there
And worse, leaving him in to face Weiters.
UGGGGGGHHHHH why the hell is "The Dude" in the game when Maddon has Mr. Matt Moore sitting on the freaking pine ready to go; hasn't he not pitched for 6 days now???
It’s now or never — your playoffs started last week against the Red Sux and you bring JP who has not been very effective at all this season.
Just shoot me. I am sure hell going to be pissed if THIS GAME decides us making the playoffs or not. Oh, and Price, show the hell up to these big games please. If your an ace start performing like one and slam the freaking door and get the win.
I am talking in general.
I can think of numerous games where he hasn’t sealed the deal.
he didn't lose the game for us - he allowed the tying run
maddon lost us the game leaving howell in for 2 batters too many
My policy is to not come down on a SP when the offense puts up 3 or less runs
However in this case Price who is supposed to be an ace gets a lead late in the game facing a career 4A player and gets beat on a cutter?
Throw your 95+ fastball and locate it. If you get beat tip your cap to Jake Fox.
Also let’s go deeper in a game vs the O’s 6.2 IP and 114 PC is not what i expect from an ace
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I'm guessing the book on Fox is he's a pure fastball hitter who can hit nothing else.
Judging by his AAA walk rates, he generally is prone to swinging outside the zone. Hickey came out to give Price and Jaso the game plan. Its fair to question the game plan, but I don’t know that it was on Price.Also kudos to Fox for working ahead.
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And yes I know Price's best pitch is his fastball and its one of the best in the game
But Dan Johnson would like to say hello to Papelbon.
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It was a very costly error
But the argument that we win the game with Briggy is pure results based analysis. Last I checked Reid had a higher contact % than Sean and a far greater swing %. If SF1 was making this argument against Brignac you would call him a troll.
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by FreeZorilla on Sep 14, 2011 10:04 AM EDT up reply actions
I actually agree with you
But i was impressed with a few plays Roddy made with the glove.
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by FreeZorilla on Sep 14, 2011 10:07 AM EDT up reply actions
thats why i think its hilarious you defended it. you agree with the process, but you disagreed with my assessment.
where’s sf1 defending his fav player? i can only imagine if briggy had done that. hed be shitting all over this thread about it. hed have sported his first wood in years to tweet at the “statboys” about it. yet hes silent. SHOCKER.
He had a negative tweet about him last night.
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by FreeZorilla on Sep 14, 2011 10:46 AM EDT up reply actions
I'm not sure why Maddon would use a LHP vs Wieters there.
His slash line vs LHP this year is .342/.424/.667. Why not turn him around in that spot?
#processfail
where are my gifs? is this a new thread? you guys are litl fucking sluts. uck you guys. i bet you guys tmpons in the womines bathromms and pay 75 cents for each ne. fuck you
by daveh33 on Sep 3, 2010 11:09 PM EDT reply actions
by PriceMultiCyYoungs on Sep 14, 2011 7:52 AM EDT reply actions
Just given how hard the other balls were hit..
situation begged for the 4-finger pass and bring in a RHP to get out Reynolds. I’m fine with Reynolds running into one because the odds are slim given how little contact he’s made of late but that’s Wieter’s 11th HR in the last month. No business at all throwing to him. None
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by Jason Collette on Sep 14, 2011 8:06 AM EDT up reply actions
correction...9th
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by Jason Collette on Sep 14, 2011 8:08 AM EDT up reply actions
That was curious to say the least. From a manager who sometimes uses 3 relievers to get out of an inning why stay with Howell?
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Matt Moore is a loser. Team is 0-forever in his time in the bigs.
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Calm, collected, German.
So we lost the game and it's easy to point to the pitching mistakes of Price and Howell as they
came at the most unfortunate times. But the offense was a complete flop. Bases loaded, none out in the 2nd and no runs is a crusher.
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exactly....
there have been better pitchers than JP Howell that have given up 2-run HRs to Wieters. It was a mistake for him to be in that situation, and the pitch was a mistake. But, if the offense does their job, that HR makes it closer instead of winning the game for the Os. I know we weren’t going to win every game for the rest of the season, but this felt like one they should have gotten and didn’t.
yea while Sean will get a lot of heat for the Double Play
Jaso’s strikeout was absolutely huge. Bases Loaded nobody out you absolutely can not strike out there. Even a Double play gets a run home.
Because that event happened in the 2nd inning and the Howell gopher was in the bottom of the 8th
we tend to diminish how important or damaging this was to winning the game
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Sure, its a rally killer, but it does get a run across provided the DP doesn't start at home
Neither is ideal.
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by FreeZorilla on Sep 14, 2011 10:00 AM EDT up reply actions
the offense was bad, yes Simon had good stuff but the offense had been so good at working counts the last week or so
and last night they just went up there hacking at everything. I would be interested in seeing how many swinging strikes outside the zone the Rays had, I would imagine it would be a very high number. I also said at the time that I thought bringing Moore in to start the 8th would have been a great idea. Not only does he have the best stuff of any of our relievers so it would be nice to use him late innings but he also could have given the Rays 2-3 innings had they needed them in the case of it being a tie game still.
One thing, if they go from seeing Price to bringing in Moore you're not changing much as both are hard throwing lefties, though Moore's deuce gives him maybe a leg up
Going from Price to Howell makes it really hard on batters as they have to downshift to high 80’s from mid-90’s with lower, flatter arm angles.
and there goes our season
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by gizmosandy on Sep 11, 2011 3:59 PM EDT reply actions
by Sandy Kazmir on Sep 14, 2011 12:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Looks like they had a hard time
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by FreeZorilla on Sep 14, 2011 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm a big believer in the theory good hitters get themselves into hitter's counts and bad hitters vice versa
It would be interesting to see an article on Rays hitters v BOS or NYY in that comparison,
It seems to me that too many Rays hitters are sitting there 0-2, 1-2 and the like rather than the desirable 2-0, 3-1. Just curious
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Still furious how you get beat on a cutter instead of your best pitch
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Sure, but he likely was following the club's game plan. Redirect your anger there if you take issue.
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I thought about that, and i'm sure that's why Hickey went out there, but in the end it should be up to Price. He's earned that decision
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Reminded me of Hockey talking to JP prior to Langerhans
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by FreeZorilla on Sep 14, 2011 10:00 AM EDT up reply actions
Fox sits on fastballs until he's told to go back to the bench, I don't think you can crucify Price for the cutter, though why not throw a change or a curve there
and there goes our season
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by gizmosandy on Sep 11, 2011 3:59 PM EDT reply actions
by Sandy Kazmir on Sep 14, 2011 12:07 PM EDT up reply actions
John Damon needs to be taking behind the shed and shot, send that boy to the glue factory cause he done
and there goes our season
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by gizmosandy on Sep 11, 2011 3:59 PM EDT reply actions
by Sandy Kazmir on Sep 14, 2011 12:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Notes off the cuff
The Red Sox were pissed off Sunday when Maddon bunted with the score 8-1 in the late innings, presumably to put runners , in scoring position to tack on runs. They subsequently threw at and hit one of our batters.
The Red Sox won yesterday 18-6
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Notes off the cuff
The Red Sox “benched” David Ortiz yesterday
The Red Sox won yestersday 18-6
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by FreeZorilla on Sep 14, 2011 10:47 AM EDT up reply actions
McGee
I saw Jake McGee up in the pen last night. I’d have rather seen him in there throwing than Howell. J.P.’s curveball is not ready yet and everything else he throws is meat.
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