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Rays Lose Game and Series to Orioles, Remain Four Behind Sox

The Rays fell to Baltimore 6-2 tonight and in doing so saw their already slim playoff hopes shrink that much more.

Other than getting swept, things couldn't have gone much worse in Baltimore. The Rays held leads the past two nights only to see the starter give it right back, last night on a double by Jake Fox, tonight on a home run by Chris Davis. Tampa Bay's Davis, he of the Wade variety, wasn't nearly as impressive as he was his last time out. Instead of throwing a complete game and striking out eight, Davis lasted just 6.1 innings, allowing four earned runs, walking two and striking out just three. I can excuse the home run to Reimold, that ball wasn't a home run in any other park in baseball thanks to the low wall at Camden, but the Davis blast was inexcusable.

Chris Davis strikes out a lot. Chris Davis can't hit a breaking ball. Chris Davis was down in the count 0-2. There's no reason he should have seen a fastball, no matter if it was well above the strike zone and he had swung and missed on at a ball in that same area a pitch earlier. You need to throw him breaking stuff until he proves he can hit it or flails and misses by two feet. His three run homer put the Rays in a hole they never could climb out of. You can blame the last two losses on the pitching if you'd like, but the Rays offense hasn't helped the cause.

After numerous epic fails last night, including a bases loaded no out situation, the poor performance carried over to today. The team managed just three hits all night , scoring their two runs on a double by Matt Joyce. Aside from that they only mounted a threat one other time when Johnny Damon and Matt Joyce walked and singled to lead off the 7th. Of course, the team's seven, eight and nine hitters failed to do anything productive and that was that.

It wasn't a good night. It wasn't a good series. They just have to move on to Boston and hope the success that propelled them to a sweep last week in St. Pete can make it's way to Fenway Park.

Oh, yeah, that Matt Moore guy made his debut tonight. He ended up throwing 1.1 innings, allowing three hits and two runs on a Matt Wieters home run. He came into the game in the seventh with one man on and proceeded to get the next two fly and ground out. The eighth inning started off fantastically as J.J. Hardy went down swinging and Nick Markakis struck out looking at a 98mph fastball on the right corner that he could do nothing with. The next three batters, which would be Moore's last, weren't so easy as Vlad Guerrero singled, Matt Weiters homered to deep left field and Chris Davis doubled. The Rays, and teams in general outside of the Red Sox, should really stop pitching to Weiters right now. Moore threw one pitch, a 95mph fastball up in the zone, and he hit it out, giving him 10 HR over the past 31 days. His OPS over that time is over 1.000. Coming into the game his OPS against left handed pitching was 1.091. Amazing to say the least.

Overall Moore threw 27 pitches: 24 fastbals, two sliders and one changeup. His fastball averaged 95.60 mph, which would rank as the third fastest in baseball for a starter. The end results weren't good, but the kid is extremely impressive and I can't wait to see him throw more over these final two weeks.

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at least we get sf1's sterling analysis on this game

verdict: give up on moore and jennings because they are terrible

by MagicMark on Sep 14, 2011 10:37 PM EDT reply actions  

Really sounds that way huh?

I’m mad as hell and frustrated that others are more interested in some rookie;s debut than the biggest game to date

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by sternfan1 on Sep 14, 2011 11:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

They're all big games

and there goes our season

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by gizmosandy on Sep 11, 2011 3:59 PM EDT reply actions

by Sandy Kazmir on Sep 15, 2011 9:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

Call me odd, call me the bad guy

I love what Matt Moore brings to the table. Anyone who has followed me knows i drool over a power arm LHP. However i cannot get excited when that siad pitcher is making his debut in agame where we are stinking up the joint and seeing our slim hopes for the playoffs go out the window.

That’s what tonight should be about. We’ll have at least 6+ years hopefully to enjoy Matt Moore, but to me playing and winning meaningful games in September is what i live for. So excuse me if i didn’t do the obligatory cartwheel for Moore’s debut

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by sternfan1 on Sep 14, 2011 10:47 PM EDT reply actions  

You know what sterny, I'll give it to you.

His debut didn’t go so well, so it wasn’t positive.

by mr. maniac on Sep 14, 2011 11:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

The results aren't what i'm speaking of

It was a winable game and why was he allowed to pitch to Wieters?

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by sternfan1 on Sep 14, 2011 11:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

I do agree with the second part.

And after all this crap Maddon has talked abotu being careful when he put Moore in the game, he decides to put him in in the middle of an inning with a guy on and then starts off another inning. Do I think that was why he didn’t do so well? No. But I think Maddon should have stood by what he said.

by mr. maniac on Sep 14, 2011 11:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Bobr, does it ever get tiring coming in here and receiving all these rec's?

Because here’s another one.

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by BWoodrum on Sep 15, 2011 12:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

I largely agree

But there have been some curious managerial decisions the past two nights.

1) Leaving JP out there to face Wieters when he had been crushed by 3 straight batters and has struggled mightily vs RHB.

2) PH Lobaton in the 9th. I thought big advantage of expanded rosters was to defensively sub for SS and C, and allowing bigger bats to take their PA.

3) I did not like bringing in Moore mid inning. I t worked out, but his MLB debut is not the right time ti have him face his first batter from the stretch for the first time in his pro career.

4) Inexcusable to have Jaso and Brignac hit with 1st and 2nd and 1 out in the 7th.

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by FreeZorilla on Sep 15, 2011 7:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

#4 just frosted my ass

Absolutely not one excuse for that miscue

And i’d like to see Guyer play vs RHP like last night

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by sternfan1 on Sep 15, 2011 7:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

I do not understand those moves either.

I have not heard his reasons for those decisions, but they all seem wrong-headed.

I generally think fans place too much emphasis on in-game decisions when analyzing a win-or more particularly a loss. Not to defend the decision, but note that Howell’s split against righties this year encompasses just 68 RH batters. For his career, there is very little split, and the last season he pitched (2009) he was significantly better against righties than lefties.

Also, he has been pitching much better for a while now. Since July 29 , in 17 appearances(not counting yesterday), he has allowed 1 home run, 5 BBs, 9 Ks, 4 hits and 1 run. And in his previous 3 appearances, he has gotten weak ground outs from Michael Young, Darnell McDonald and Vlad, all righties. When he has his command, he does that to RH batters. I don’t know that any of this was in Maddon’s mind, and after he was hit hard to begin his outing, I certainly would have wanted him out as it indicated he was not putting the ball where he wanted. But questioning or criticizing a move is not the same as assuming it is just stupid or inexcusable.

A question. In the 7th inning, who should have PH for Jaso and Brignac? There were 2 switch hitters on the bench (Elliot Johnson and Lobaton) and RH batters Jennings, Shoppach, Ruggiano and Guyer. (I think Dan Johnson is being recalled because the LH bench is so thin.) While I don’t think lefty-righty match-ups are always necessary, especially when the RH bats are far superior, if you want the match-up, I don’t see Johnson or Lobaton as improvements. Am I missing someone?

by bobr on Sep 15, 2011 8:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yes, I forgot Canzler.

Does not change anything in my view.

by bobr on Sep 15, 2011 8:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

This is the frustration

fans tend to be too reactionary after win/loss, esp a loss. But at times there are still moments when you wonder why certain moves were not made. Jennings and Guyer were two quality RH bats on the bench. 7th inning is going to be one of the last shots you have, and 2 on and no outs is probably the best chance you’ll have. To not maximize that opportunity by putting your best bats into play is inexcusable. I would have at least given Jennings a shot there. Jennings so far doesn’t have a Lefty-righty split. Hits both well. Not just in his AB’s at MLB level, but also at AAA. I know I would have more trust in Jennings than I would in Jaso or Brignac.

by raysfaninminnesota on Sep 15, 2011 8:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

I am probably just obsessing over tone or language rather than substance now.

But I still think that an argument can be made for leaving in both Jaso and Guyer. I agree with your view that it would have been better to use Jennings and Guyer, but I don’t think it is so absolutely cut and dried that we can label Maddon’s decision “inexcusable”. Seems to me there are connotations to that kind of expression that mislead.

In every situation there are alternatives. Depending on one’s assumptions and approaches to game management, some are better than others. Sometimes one is clearly better or obvious to someone, but rarely is the difference between the best and worst decision certain or absolute.

I think it is legitimate to criticize a manager’s overall game strategies more than specific ones as the latter usually reflect the former. For example, I don’t like Maddon’s willingness to intentionally walk batters so often. (I hope the data backs me up on that; I haven’t checked.) If Maddon should walk the bases loaded to try for the DP, I will probably be upset, but to call it inexcusable seems silly as it is entirely in character and the real question is not this decision but the overall approach.

On the other hand, I don’t think Maddon uses his bench poorly. So if he makes a PH decision that seems wrong, I can certainly question or criticize it, but I won’t call it inexcusable because I have to assume he had a reason for doing something uncharacteristic.

by bobr on Sep 15, 2011 10:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

I can agree with that

it’s not inexcusable, but it wasn’t a good move. You have to use your best guns by end of game, and 2 on in that situation, you will not have a better spot to try. That game could mean a ton down the stretch. Big difference trying to take 3 out of 4 vs Sox vs sweep.

by raysfaninminnesota on Sep 16, 2011 7:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

For Jim Johnson's career he has been split-neutral

This season he has had far more success vs lefties than vs righties.
Vs LHB K/BB 34/3 12 XBH allowed 171 PA
Vs RHB K/BB 20/15 9 XBH allowed 165 PA

I would have gone to Canzler not fearing a pitching change. Too much emphasis on handedness for the situation. Of course I am assuming if there was a RHP up it was Johnson, I don’t recall. Gregg has experienced more typical split results.

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by FreeZorilla on Sep 15, 2011 9:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

FreeZo, I think it was you in the past that made a table showing each of the batters expected wOBA vs. lefties and righties

You also included their expected wOBA with the PH penalty. I’d love to see this updated with every player on the active roster so over the next two weeks we have a cheat sheet for what constitutes a good PH (non)decision and what makes a bad PH (non)decision. I hope you have the time.

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by gizmosandy on Sep 11, 2011 3:59 PM EDT reply actions

by Sandy Kazmir on Sep 15, 2011 11:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

Probably don't

Tough anyone since most of the pinch hitting options I woudl be using are AAAA 1B. They are quad A b/c they aren’t good enough hitters to play at 1B, in MLB, but if either Canzler or DanJo could catch or play SS, they would not have that label.

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by FreeZorilla on Sep 15, 2011 11:23 AM EDT up reply actions  

so Maddon does everything in his power to not Jed Lowrie face a LHP

in the Boston series, but has no problem letting Wieters face them in high leverage situations thae last two nights. not bashing Maddon, just wondering what his thought process there.

by Schmidt on Sep 14, 2011 11:21 PM EDT reply actions  

I don't think that's true at all, but I don't have a psychology degree

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by gizmosandy on Sep 11, 2011 3:59 PM EDT reply actions

by Sandy Kazmir on Sep 15, 2011 11:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

Cannot disagree, but we also have a clean up hitter who in that period (since 8/1) has about a 640 OPS with no HR

I may be wrong but doesn’t the place you hit in the line up sort of dictate what is expected of you production wise?

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by sternfan1 on Sep 15, 2011 9:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

.640>.578

position dictates what kind of bat you should have. not lineup spot. for all this talk of his great glove, he also couldnt scoop s-rods poor throw tuesday night. what exactly does he bring? now that his eyes are filled with puss again and hes lost his aim, hes basically dead weight. at least when zobrist et al slump they run the bases and field well.

by rglass44 on Sep 15, 2011 9:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

What the fuck

5. As Jayson Stark wrote in May, this season’s interleague schedule was unbalanced, with division rivals playing different schedules. For example, the only AL East teams the Cubs played were the Red Sox and Yankees. The Cardinals didn’t play the Red Sox or the Yankees. The Brewers had to play the Red Sox, Yankees and Rays, but not the Orioles or Blue Jays. The Red Sox didn’t play the Reds and Cardinals, while the Yankees missed the Astros and Pirates. And so on. So what about 2012? Once again, we see different schedules within divisions. For example:
Red Sox interleague series: Phillies, Nationals, Marlins (2), Cubs, Braves. Yankees: Reds, Braves (2), Mets (2), Nationals. Rays: Braves, Marlins (2), Mets, Nationals, Phillies.
The Rays have to play the Rangers and Angels a total of 19 times, the Yankees play the Rangers and Angels 16 times, and the Red Sox play the Rangers and Angels 14 times.

by Kyungduck on Sep 15, 2011 12:22 AM EDT reply actions  

These last 2 games remind me

why I thought we had no chance at the postseason in the first place, before this tease . . . I mean run. We’ve lost too many of these types of games to lesser teams during the season. So maybe this run is/was really nothing more than a Boston Collapse. And If Boston doesn’t turn it around, it might just be the Angles (or the Rangers) in the wildcard with the Rays and Red Sox left scratching their heads.

by Hipster Doofus on Sep 15, 2011 12:30 AM EDT reply actions  

Too Many Fastballs?

24 of 27 called fastballs by Hickey from the bench.Why when Moore has both a terrific curve and change? When hitters know what’s coming,that often happens.

by MarkFidrych on Sep 15, 2011 4:47 AM EDT reply actions  

Babysteps? Just trying to get him comfortable on a Major League mound? These are rationalizations and I hope it doesn't portend the future.

That said, he’s shown good pitch mix in the minors so I’d think he’d start mixing the secondary stuff in better.

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by gizmosandy on Sep 11, 2011 3:59 PM EDT reply actions

by Sandy Kazmir on Sep 15, 2011 11:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

The score first gods got us again.

57-20 when scoring first

25-46 when the opposition does

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by sternfan1 on Sep 15, 2011 6:20 AM EDT reply actions  

I wonder what the major league average is in those situations

I have to believe the team that scores first always wins a large percentage of the games

by Erik Hahmann on Sep 15, 2011 8:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

Sure

but I’m not sure as large a % as the Rays.

A team with a better offense and worse pitching will probably have less disparity between the two.

by Sveet on Sep 15, 2011 10:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

In feel better news

RHyne Hughes was suspended for 50 games for an amphetamine. This is not the good news except it serves as a decent time to point out that Friedman spun Hughes into Drew Vettleson via Gregg Zaun’s compensatory pick.

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by FreeZorilla on Sep 15, 2011 7:17 AM EDT reply actions  

Disheartening, that's all I can say

The road just got even more difficult

and there goes our season

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