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The Rays Franchise: Past, Present, And Future

Well, the Baltimore Orioles have basically exchanged the freshly sliced tomatoes in the Rays' post-season Hope Sandwich with the sun-dried tomatoes of a Much Regret turdwich. But, honestly, can any of us say this has been a bad ride? We Rays fans have endured a lot, going back to the ages of the Devil Rays, and 2011 -- regardless of how it finishes -- will have been another high quality season.

Consider: Though it is widely considered a "reloading" year, the 2011 Rays are on pace to win 90 games. Anyone remember when we were hoping the Rays would break the 70-win barrier in 2008? Remember Casey Fossum? Doug Waechter? Tanyon Sturtze? Tomas Perez? Brendan Harris?

Not only has the team clambered out of the outhouse of history, they are somehow improving on even their recent success. Who remembers which pitcher logged the second most innings in our magical 2008 season? It's not Scott Kazmir. Yeah, that's right, in the lone season wherein the Rays reached the World Series, they gave Andy Sonnanstine 193 and 1/3 innings regular season innings -- and three post-season starts.

Granted, the departures of Carl Crawford and Carlos Pena -- as well as the down years from John Jaso, Reid Brignac, and Kelly Shoppach -- have really stung the Rays offensively. But with rising stars like Desmond Jennings, Matt Joyce, and Brandon Guyer poised for big years next year -- and the likes of Matt Moore, Jeremy Hellickson, and Alex Cobb on the pitching side -- I think it's fair to assume the reloading will be finished quickly this off-season.

Let's look at how far the Rays have come statistically:

Star-divide

Observations:

  • The 2007 season may be the single most "booted season" in professional sports history. Their average age was under 27 and they were a run-leaking machine. They could not stop a motionless object from scoring. They had probably only a handful of ML-quality starters on that team: Carl Crawford, Carlos Pena, B.J. Upton, James Shields, and Scott Kazmir. (You could also make argument for Akinori Iwamura and Ty Wiggington.)

    This team allowed 5.8 runs per game. In late July and early June, they endured a crazy 1-16 stretch, scoring 3.3 runs per game and hitting .229/.291/.341. Yikes.
  • We can clearly see the schizophrenic management style of Vince Naimoli in the 1998 through 2004 age graphs. It starts with crazy old teams, gets even older, and then suddenly gets super young. It really shows an utter lack of vision.

    The Sternberg regime has a more consistent pattern -- we see the ages creeping up and then dropping a bit younger, as the vets become free agents / get traded and the young guys make the big league club (presumably in their prime). It's a model of sustainability and a beautiful thing.
  • Last year's team was probably the best in team history. It's a shame they only had an ALCS loss to show for it. :(
  • Steve is right: The Rays have never had such great run prevention as this year. Granted, run-scoring is down league-wide, but the Rays have sparkled where other teams have glimmered. And the rotation -- the heart of their run-prevention surge -- should only be better next year.

Indulge me as I conduct some premature 2012 rosterbation (please join in below):
The Rays have a huge pitching logjam for next year. Consider our rotation candidates:

SP1: James Shields
SPA: David Price
SP3: Jeremy Hellickson
SP4: Wade Davis
SP5: Jeff Niemann
SP6: Alex Cobb
SP7: Matt Moore

Okay, so Price and Shields are pitchers (1) and (A) -- because they've both been aces this year and in past years and they're a lock for being some order of 1 and 2 next year, barring a trade -- and behind them we have Hellboy, about whom Dan Szymborski dotes:

Hellickson projection

ZiPS has him next year at 12-7, 3.62, 156.2 IP, 144 H, 15 HR, 54 BB, 122 K, 3.11 BB/9, 7.00 K/9.

Top 10 near age comps are:
C.C. Sabathia
Justin Thompson
Jeff Francis
Randy Wolf
Chris Nabholz
Jose Rosado
Tom Browning
Mike Hampton
Steve Avery
Andy Pettitte

That's what I like! There are some forgettables in there, but a 3.62 ERA and CC Sabathia and Andy Pettite comparisons suit him well -- though stuff-wise, they are nothing similar. :-/

So anyway: Run creation is going to be the issue next year -- as always with the Rays. We have great fielders at key positions, great pitchers up and down the organization, but could gain a lot with just a little power. So what should our roster look like? Well, we can safely slot these guys in:

C:
1B:
2B: Ben Zobrist
3B: Evan Longoria
SS:
LF:

CF: Desmond Jennings
RF: Matt Joyce
DH:

Maybe B.J. Upton is still around in 2012, which puts Jennings in left, I would assume. If not, maybe we can platoon Brandon Guyer and Russ Canzler in left?

Maybe Casey Kotchman agrees to come back cheap in 2012? Personally, I'd rather see the Rays rob a bank and sign Prince Fielder -- HAHAHAHA!!!... :( -- or acquire some cheap power for the DH and first base slots (like a Manny Ramirez-type, sans failed drug test). Even with his great season this year, Kotchman is only at 2.5 fWAR. I'd love to see a 5 WAR player at first. *Cough, Yonder Alonso, cough.*

At catcher, maybe the Rays give Robinson Chirinos a chance to dethrone John Jaso -- who's been improving offensively lately -- but that may be an net offensive push. Over the last three months, Jaso's been over 100 wRC+, but his defense continues to be malpractice bad at times.

I'm assuming Reid Brignac figures something out with his swing and challenges Sean Rodriguez for the SS slot. Honestly, though, Sean-Rod looks like the Jason Bartlett we always wanted, so I'm fine leaving him at short until Hak-Ju Lee or Tim Beckham is ready to rock worlds.

What say you?

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I meant to reply to Mr. Szymborski when he initially posted that Helly projection, but very interesting that he's factoring in the Rays defense continuing to be excellent

Assuming a league FIP adjustment of +3.20 you’re looking at those peripherals yielding a FIP of 3.93. So you’re talking about projecting a .31 gap between ERA and FIP. I wonder if this is similar for the other pitchers or if Helly’s flyball tendencies give him a leg up.

and there goes our season

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by gizmosandy on Sep 11, 2011 3:59 PM EDT reply actions

by Sandy Kazmir on Sep 15, 2011 3:17 PM EDT reply actions  

Oh baby, that's exciting.

I think it’s fair to say Helly is lucky this year, but so was Price in his first full season. This is going to be sick rotation next year, especially if Shields can make his changes permanent.

A DRaysBay and FanGraphs writer from Cubs Stats and Twitter @BradleyWoodrum

by BWoodrum on Sep 15, 2011 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Also, pretty neat that I projected Helly for a 4.13 FIP just tweaking numbers for next year. Always nice to be validated.

and there goes our season

OTM's biggest Clutch Carl fan.
by gizmosandy on Sep 11, 2011 3:59 PM EDT reply actions

by Sandy Kazmir on Sep 15, 2011 3:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Okay, 4.5 WAR or 4.0 WAR.

Can Yonder be that good? Yeah, if Carlos Pena could do it at age 29, then Yonder might be able to at ages 25 through 28. Point is: He’s got power and an upside higher than 2.0 or 2.5.

A DRaysBay and FanGraphs writer from Cubs Stats and Twitter @BradleyWoodrum

by BWoodrum on Sep 15, 2011 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Maybe Yonder will have the occasional year like that, but I don't think you can project him to be that good.

and there goes our season

OTM's biggest Clutch Carl fan.
by gizmosandy on Sep 11, 2011 3:59 PM EDT reply actions

by Sandy Kazmir on Sep 15, 2011 3:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, that was an overstep on my part.

He can be, I posit, a 4.0 WAR player if he develops well. I think his floor is 2.0 WAR, but maybe I’m just being too optimistic.

A DRaysBay and FanGraphs writer from Cubs Stats and Twitter @BradleyWoodrum

by BWoodrum on Sep 15, 2011 3:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

I won't argue with you there, I think his floor is pretty high compensating for a not ridiculous ceiling

I think 4 WAR is a best case as you indirectly stated, but getting a 3 – 3.5 WAR player at 1B for the next 4.5 years would be very nice. I just think it will take more than most people are willing to admit to get him.

and there goes our season

OTM's biggest Clutch Carl fan.
by gizmosandy on Sep 11, 2011 3:59 PM EDT reply actions

by Sandy Kazmir on Sep 15, 2011 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, they're horribly-run that's why they have some of the best positional prospects in the game

and there goes our season

OTM's biggest Clutch Carl fan.
by gizmosandy on Sep 11, 2011 3:59 PM EDT reply actions

by Sandy Kazmir on Sep 15, 2011 4:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Probably not, but he's going to make $26.5M over the next two years with 17M of that coming in the final year.

With Alonso being a significant downgrade, but a viable option with a deep farm system and plenty of ML talent they may decide to send Votto packing for an arm or 3. I don’t think it’s likely and I don’t know where I’d fall on that sort of trade as I really look forward to watching Moore, but he’s still a pitcher and they get hurt more often than not. It’s not much different from us looking to trade Shields to fill a weakness somewhere else while having a capable fill-in step right up. Obviously, Votto is a better player than Shields before you call me crazy, but Shields has one more year on a more team-friendly contract.

and there goes our season

OTM's biggest Clutch Carl fan.
by gizmosandy on Sep 11, 2011 3:59 PM EDT reply actions

by Sandy Kazmir on Sep 15, 2011 4:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

Certainly is something to think about

But Toronto would be such a foil to that plan

I put the screw IN THE TUNA!

by Transplanted on Sep 15, 2011 4:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

I hate them, I hate them, I hate them

Oh the Rays are offering 4M, well we’ll offer 4.1M and this set of steak knives

and there goes our season

OTM's biggest Clutch Carl fan.
by gizmosandy on Sep 11, 2011 3:59 PM EDT reply actions

by Sandy Kazmir on Sep 15, 2011 4:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'll make the argument for Aki

I’ll also make the argument for Elijah Dukes. Dude was as much of a beast in the batters box as he allegedly was in his personal life.

by Whelk on Sep 15, 2011 3:31 PM EDT reply actions  

Aki is and always shall be one of my all-time favorite Rays.

That being said, he was not an acceptable third baseman. At second, he was serviceable, but then we’re talking 2008.

A DRaysBay and FanGraphs writer from Cubs Stats and Twitter @BradleyWoodrum

by BWoodrum on Sep 15, 2011 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

He was a 2.7 fWAR player at 3B in 2007

And a above average bat (wRC+ of 105). And that’s not getting any love for his defense by the stats. I think it’s quite possible his true talent UZR at 3B was better than it came out in that one year, given his quick feet, his gold gloves in Japan, and his easy transition to 2B.

I think you can feel free to call him one of your all-time favorites without the guilty little caveat.

by Whelk on Sep 15, 2011 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

The problem there is that somewhere around 87% of his WAR that year came from the positional adjustment.

Take that away, and he’s a replacement level player. Yeah, we don’t take it out, but 2.7 WAR for a full-time third baseman is literally middle of the pack.

Okay, so maybe he’s an ML quality starter, but only barely so — and not on a competitive team.

A DRaysBay and FanGraphs writer from Cubs Stats and Twitter @BradleyWoodrum

by BWoodrum on Sep 15, 2011 3:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

This kind of twisting of facts is why you're the best

and there goes our season

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by gizmosandy on Sep 11, 2011 3:59 PM EDT reply actions

by Sandy Kazmir on Sep 15, 2011 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Geez. You must imagine me a very insidious and petty man.

It was just a parenthetical thought about one of my favorite players. Okay, so maybe I was wrong. That season, yeah, Aki was good. And the following one too.

But his career was still a flash in the MLB’s unforgiving pan.

A DRaysBay and FanGraphs writer from Cubs Stats and Twitter @BradleyWoodrum

by BWoodrum on Sep 15, 2011 4:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed, but if you had just said, "I was wrong." and that he actually was a competent player at 3B then we wouldn't have even gone down this route

We’re all wrong from time to time. Lawd knows I’m a prime example of this, but it’s best to just admit it in most cases.

and there goes our season

OTM's biggest Clutch Carl fan.
by gizmosandy on Sep 11, 2011 3:59 PM EDT reply actions

by Sandy Kazmir on Sep 15, 2011 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

I was wrongish.
Okay, so maybe he’s an ML quality starter…

I didn’t say, “I was wrong,” because I still don’t think many teams would have taken a chance on Aki the Third Baseman in 2008.

But maybe I’m wrong. I’m wrong often, so it wouldn’t be a surprise.

A DRaysBay and FanGraphs writer from Cubs Stats and Twitter @BradleyWoodrum

by BWoodrum on Sep 15, 2011 4:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sure, sure, but Aki was never the same after the knee injury. Too bad, he'd probably still be an averagish middle infielder with decent contact

with decent contact/zone recognition

and there goes our season

OTM's biggest Clutch Carl fan.
by gizmosandy on Sep 11, 2011 3:59 PM EDT reply actions

by Sandy Kazmir on Sep 15, 2011 4:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

And by Middle Infield I mean 2B/3B, derrr

and there goes our season

OTM's biggest Clutch Carl fan.
by gizmosandy on Sep 11, 2011 3:59 PM EDT reply actions

by Sandy Kazmir on Sep 15, 2011 4:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, I think he was an acceptable-to-good second baseman.

But I think, even without the knee injury (which I think definitely did crush his career; he can’t even hit NPB pitching anymore) I still doubt many teams put his absence of power and feh-fielding at third.

That’s all I’m trying to say. I’m not trying to say positional adjustments are wrong (that was a bad way to make my point). I’m not trying to say he was the worst in the league. And I’m certainly not trying to deceive anyone — what’s the point of convincing people that one of my favorite Rays was overrated?!

A DRaysBay and FanGraphs writer from Cubs Stats and Twitter @BradleyWoodrum

by BWoodrum on Sep 15, 2011 4:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

9/11 WAS AN INSIDE JOB HOWARD STERN'S PENIS

Yeah, don’t take offense Bradley, just having a baseball chat. I hope you and others take me to task when I’m unclear with what I’m saying so that I can learn to speak more eloquently.

and there goes our season

OTM's biggest Clutch Carl fan.
by gizmosandy on Sep 11, 2011 3:59 PM EDT reply actions

by Sandy Kazmir on Sep 15, 2011 4:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Take away the positional adjustment for many players, and they're below replacement.

The positional adjustments are there for a reason.

If we say he’s average, sure he’s no Longoria, but if the team had a Jose Reyes, we could still be competitive with him at third.

by Whelk on Sep 15, 2011 4:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

This

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by FreeZorilla on Sep 15, 2011 4:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

That's very true.

His 2007 was still pedestrian though — not great, not terrible — and I believe his future seasons demonstrated he was in the midst of his last gasps as a quality player.

Really, it’s not something worth arguing about, is it? I loved Aki, but I just don’t think he was a high-quality third baseman.

A DRaysBay and FanGraphs writer from Cubs Stats and Twitter @BradleyWoodrum

by BWoodrum on Sep 15, 2011 4:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

We have our first news on Oscar Hernandez. Lets stick him at C next year.

From Jim at raysprospects.com: "I went over to the field during lunch and got my first look at Oscar yesterday, solid swing with Bautista leg kick helping with the power. Did not need extra effort to reach the fences, and hit plenty of line drives. "

by mr. maniac on Sep 15, 2011 3:37 PM EDT reply actions  

And don't take these quibbles as beef, because I really liked this look. Would prefer to expound on this stuff over the worst six months of the year, but I'll give some quick hits

C: Lobaton/Jaso, Chirinos when ready
1B: Proceeds of pitcher trade or Kotchman (2/7)
2B: Zobrist
3B: Longo
SS: Brignac/Roddy
LF: Jennings
CF: Upton
RF: Guyer/Joyce
DH: Canzler/Kubel (Would also rotate at 1B when needed)

Shields
Price
Hellickson
Davis
Cobb

Peralta
Farnsworth
McGee
Gomes
Torres
De La Rosa
Zumaya/Ayala/Random guy that works out of the 75 invited to camp

and there goes our season

OTM's biggest Clutch Carl fan.
by gizmosandy on Sep 11, 2011 3:59 PM EDT reply actions

by Sandy Kazmir on Sep 15, 2011 3:37 PM EDT reply actions  

Keep in mind we're about 2 months early on this sort of thing

and there goes our season

OTM's biggest Clutch Carl fan.
by gizmosandy on Sep 11, 2011 3:59 PM EDT reply actions

by Sandy Kazmir on Sep 15, 2011 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah so early

Let us keep crying for a little longer

I do this for free

by SRQman on Sep 15, 2011 3:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm gonna be crying out of my penis when we run the table from now til the end of October

and there goes our season

OTM's biggest Clutch Carl fan.
by gizmosandy on Sep 11, 2011 3:59 PM EDT reply actions

by Sandy Kazmir on Sep 15, 2011 3:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

I hope

This weekend determines our fate.

I do this for free

by SRQman on Sep 15, 2011 3:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm just happy to be in the discussion. The point of this post, and I've stated it on many times, is that we used to pop champagne for 70 wins

Now we’re not satisfied being 4 out with a slim, but not dead, shot at getting some playoff bucks. GOD I LOVE LIFE AS A RAYS FAN.

and there goes our season

OTM's biggest Clutch Carl fan.
by gizmosandy on Sep 11, 2011 3:59 PM EDT reply actions

by Sandy Kazmir on Sep 15, 2011 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, nice to see the evolution of projected lineups, this is the stage where we generally look the foolishest. Holy cow that's a real word.

I don’t like the phrase protracted collapse to describe what’s going on. We got off to an awful start our first 10 games then played like crap in the middle of the season. The last 1.5 months has been pretty fun.

and there goes our season

OTM's biggest Clutch Carl fan.
by gizmosandy on Sep 11, 2011 3:59 PM EDT reply actions

by Sandy Kazmir on Sep 15, 2011 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

Indeed; I meant it more like: "The odds are still against us. Heavily."

Maybe “protracted collapse” should have been “protracted suffocation.” This team has played well; they’ve just been out-spent a little too much this year.

A DRaysBay and FanGraphs writer from Cubs Stats and Twitter @BradleyWoodrum

by BWoodrum on Sep 15, 2011 3:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Balfour/Choate in the pen instead of those 2 extra picks and whatever replacement fodder got those innings and we're in the playoffs

Forget the Jennings argument, just build me a better pen. We have the technology.

and there goes our season

OTM's biggest Clutch Carl fan.
by gizmosandy on Sep 11, 2011 3:59 PM EDT reply actions

by Sandy Kazmir on Sep 15, 2011 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

I still have hopes for Howell.

Do you think it possible and/or advisable that the Rays re-sign Juan Cruz?

by bobr on Sep 15, 2011 4:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

I have hopes for Howell as well, and would bring him back if it was on arbitration, but didn't take the moment to look it up and assumed free agency.

Re-signing free agent-eligible relievers seems like one thing that the Rays generally stay away from. I like Cruz’s profile and he’s been good more often than bad, but I’d think the Rays will bring in 50 guys that aren’t coming off a good year and in free agency.

and there goes our season

OTM's biggest Clutch Carl fan.
by gizmosandy on Sep 11, 2011 3:59 PM EDT reply actions

by Sandy Kazmir on Sep 15, 2011 4:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't think JP will be offered arb

$1 mill +. I just don’t see it. Maybe he comes back cheaper, but he doesn’t seem like he will fetch $1 mill.

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by FreeZorilla on Sep 15, 2011 4:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

That's pretty much what I was thinking, see if you can avoid arb and sign an incentive-laden minor league deal

and there goes our season

OTM's biggest Clutch Carl fan.
by gizmosandy on Sep 11, 2011 3:59 PM EDT reply actions

by Sandy Kazmir on Sep 15, 2011 4:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

Our Hitting...Or Lack There Of

We need a big bat or two added to our lineup next year.Far,far too many games have been lost, and good pitching performances wasted this year.This cannot continue next year. Upton will be traded,that is almost certain. One of the starters,Shields..who stock will NEVER be higher, Niemann,or Davis must be traded also for a bat.Moore is ready to step into the rotation with Cobb pitching in long relief and spot starting.

by MarkFidrych on Sep 15, 2011 3:46 PM EDT reply actions  

I wonder if we could pry Danny Espinosa away from WAS in an Upton and Niemann or Davis trade?

Slot him in at SS move Jennings to CF, platoon Fuld and Guyer in LF. Not sure how the rest of the trade would work or if WAS would even consider trading Espinosa but they need a CF and SP.

by jcmitchell on Sep 15, 2011 4:03 PM EDT reply actions  

It is probably unrealistic,

but the first baseman I pine for is Logan Morrison. Using fanspeak to argue the point, he really is not a fit for the Marlins in LF, and he is blocked at his natural position,1B, by Gaby Sanchez. Additionally, there have been incidents indicating he does not like playing for Florida and the front office and/or ownership doesn’t like him. His second half swoon and injuries might lower his price.

The Marlins farm system has been considerably weakened due to many call-ups. Of course, moving into a new stadium might make it hard for them to deal a player with his potential, but if he were available, the Rays might be tempted to use their system’s depth to acquire a possible long term answer.

by bobr on Sep 15, 2011 4:13 PM EDT reply actions  

I like him as well, care to prognosticate what you think it would take to get him? As you said, he's out of position and the front office has shown time and again that they'll dump you if they don't like you.

His bat takes a step back at 1B as it doesn’t play up as well, but I like him more than a Yonder Alonso that hasn’t really proven himself against major league talent yet. I love his plate discipline numbers. Good contact while taking a lot of pitches. It’s a new interesting name to the dozen or so that gets bandied about.

and there goes our season

OTM's biggest Clutch Carl fan.
by gizmosandy on Sep 11, 2011 3:59 PM EDT reply actions

by Sandy Kazmir on Sep 15, 2011 4:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

107 PAs certainly doesn't write the book on Yonder,

but you’ve got to like his 4 homers and 146 wRC+, right?

I’m just Yonder-crazy at this point, I think.

A DRaysBay and FanGraphs writer from Cubs Stats and Twitter @BradleyWoodrum

by BWoodrum on Sep 15, 2011 4:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

That .414 career BABIP isn't sustainable, but the power is very nice to see after some hand/wrist issues. I'm not a big fan, but I'm

most likely in the minority there. Randy Glass will be here any second to call me dumb and point out all the times I’ve been wrong while glossing over the times I’ve been right.

and there goes our season

OTM's biggest Clutch Carl fan.
by gizmosandy on Sep 11, 2011 3:59 PM EDT reply actions

by Sandy Kazmir on Sep 15, 2011 4:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Mat Gamel is another guy who's value to his current team is exceedingly low based on his mouth, what he's done in the majors, and the competition within their own team

Prospect hounds don’t like him as much as an Alonso, Blanks, or even a Morrison, but he strikes me as a guy with a chip on his shoulder that would want to come up and prove a lot of people wrong. If he proves to be a real butcher at 1B then he could always be a very nice DH bat and I don’t think the Brew Crew would demand the world as Tyler Greene seems to have usurped the role they planned for Gamel and there is no DH. Add in that their farm system is not strong to say the least and they may take quantity over quality, which should favor the Rays.

and there goes our season

OTM's biggest Clutch Carl fan.
by gizmosandy on Sep 11, 2011 3:59 PM EDT reply actions

by Sandy Kazmir on Sep 15, 2011 4:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

And just like that

I clicked on Hardball Talk and this posting is there:

http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/09/15/logan-morrison-files-a-grievance-against-the-marlins/

I would laugh and cry should the Marlins trade him for a manager. That would be worse than dealing Randy Winn for Piniella.

In the real world, I think it would take at least one B+ prospect plus more. (I haven’t looked at their needs.) Or maybe Niemann plus a B/B- prospect and some minor league depth, say Barnese. I am not very confident in speculating on these types of issues as there are so many variables I don’t know, and I am so often stunned by deals that are made.

by bobr on Sep 15, 2011 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yesyesyes!

I’m all for Morrison, and his crazy Twitter-ness would fit in better with the Rays for sure.

I love Casey Fossum. Now try and take me seriously. -- @steveslow

by Steve Slowinski on Sep 15, 2011 4:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

I was just going to post this

I’m a day late and dollar short. With all of the aggrevations Morrison has given the Marlins this year, perhaps they’d trade him for some pitching help. I hope we make a run at this guy as well.

by raysfaninminnesota on Sep 16, 2011 8:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

Although you may not hear it in my tweets and posts, i'm very enthused about the Rays season this year

I’m happy Friedman & Co didn’t listen to some of our analysts who wanted to trade away any “spare part” for prospects. How many do we need?

I think it’s great that here it is Set 15th and we have a 4 game series coming up, that if we win 3 of 4, we are still in the playoff picture

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by sternfan1 on Sep 15, 2011 5:19 PM EDT reply actions  

the marlins and logan morrison don't seem to get along well

possible 1st base candidate of the future perhaps?

R.I.P. Scott Kazmir 2005-2008

by raysfan81 on Sep 15, 2011 6:02 PM EDT reply actions  

i would trade niemann,cobb or davis for him

Morrison would be perfect for the rays. He has nice power, can hit for a high average and has great on base skills, his bat reminds me of Zorilla

by RaysOfHope on Sep 15, 2011 6:09 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

I am appalled

How can an article that deals with the past of the Rays not include the great Jason Tyner!

by Shinjo Is God on Sep 15, 2011 11:30 PM EDT reply actions   2 recs

What about travis snider?

Another guy with load of potential but blocked right now. The Jays are likely to pick up the option on E5 and they already have Bautista, Thames, and Rasmus in the outfield, so he seems like the odd man out. Not too mention he has made comments recently about the team moving on without him. Honestly, I would take either Snider or E5, whichever they dont want. Im not saying do this instead of Morrison or Alonso, but bring him in to compete with Guyer in leftfield (assuming Upton is traded).

Dream offseason would netting Alonso and Morrison (if thats even possible), with guys like Snider, Butler, E5, Quentin other options

by BossmanJunior333 on Sep 16, 2011 3:54 PM EDT reply actions  

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