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Carl Crawford: Rays Bashing And Lack Of Accountability

I am was a big Carl Crawford fan. He was a lightning rod for the Rays offense and supplied tremendous defense in left field. A lightning rod may not be a strong enough characterization for the dynamic skill set that Crawford brought to the Rays. In Crawford's 9 seasons with the Rays he hit .293/.333/.440 with 104 home run, 105 triples, 215 doubles, and 409 stolen bases. That particular suite of statistics has been achieved by only 9 players (including Crawford) in the history of the game and he accomplished it in 9 seasons.

Most fans didn't need Stuart Sternberg to come out as he did in late September with the statement that the Rays, regardless of 2010's outcome, were going to cut the payroll to the 50 million range or lower to realize that Crawford and his dynamic skill set were going to be too costly for the Tampa market. The fans knew Crawford was leaving and when the Rays appeared to be playing their final home game (Game 2 of the 2010 ALDS) Crawford received a standing ovation during his last at-bat and as he took the field for the final time and the standing ovations were repeated once again, much longer and louder, after the Rays forced a Game 5 back at Tropicana Field.

We knew Crawford was leaving and we here at DRB accepted donations to publish a  "Thank You Carl Crawford" full page ad in the Tampa Bay Times (TBT). The move was a bold move and did receive national attention (YahooSports) for DRB but it was planned before Crawford decided to sign with the dreaded Boston Red Sox.

Many Rays fans expected Crawford to sign with a team like the LA Angels where manager MIke Scioscia could allow Crawford's full suite of skills to be put on display every night. Crawford certainly would be a big addition to a team like the Angels and Rays fans could cheer Crawford and the Angels on as they attempted (as they are this year) to track down the Yankees or Red Sox for a wild card spot  or better yet defeat one of the two teams in the post-season. As long as the Angels and Rays path's didn't interfere with each other, Carl Crawford would remain a darling to the Rays fan base. Crawford in a Red Sox uniform was going to be hard to digest but it would take more than a uniform to tarnish his image as a member of the Rays.  

When word came out that Crawford had signed with the Red Sox it was a blow to the solar plexus and it was a difficult pill to swallow. Still, who could blame a guy for accepting a 7-year, 142-million dollar contract to play a game?  Even if the team signing the check was the Red Sox most fans understood that this was a pure business decision. 

Star-divide

The 9 years of imagery began to become a little tarnished, not by the fans being critical of Crawford signing with the Red Sox, but with several of the statements made by Crawford during his press conference to announce his deal with the Red Sox. Hearing Carl Crawford utter the phrase that his  "Heart was in Boston" or laugh when a reporter jokingly stated (in reference to playing in front of a full house every night) that there are more people at the press conference than at the Trop on a Tuesday night, or hearing Crawford suggest that he was open to batting in the lead off position or playing center field after years in Tampa Bay  of suggesting that he disliked both. (Read more of the press conference here or watch it here  ).

The dust up between the Rays and Crawford had seemingly settled some and the Rays became focused on replacing the pieces of the 2010 team they had lost and preparing for the 2011 season. The flames were stoked, again by Carl Crawford, when in early February he told USA Today : 

how tough it was coming back hyped up after a big road trip, "then you look up at the (empty) stands and say, 'Are you serious?' It gets you down. You want the energy the other teams have, and you don't have it. But in Boston, what I hear is you can have a broken arm, you hear all of those people screaming and yelling, and you forget about that arm and you're playing. I can't wait." - tbo.com

The anger and resentment towards Crawford again became a secondary story as the Rays got off to a 1-8 start, lost Manny Ramirez for the season thanks to a positive drug test, and lost Evan Longoria to the DL due to an oblique injury. The fans of the Rays concentrated on the team on the field and were more concerned with getting back to .500 (which they did on April 24th) than they were with Carl Crawford and the Red Sox (who both also got off to poor starts). 

The Rays fans had their first opportunity to either cheer or boo for Carl Crawford when the Red Sox came to Tropicana Field on June 14th through 16th for a 3-game series. As Crawford came to the plate he was met with mixed emotions.  Initially he was met with a loud round of boos which were eventually drowned out by cheers. After the game Crawford said that he appreciated those who cheered but was upset at the voices from the stands in left field who referred to him as a traitor and mocked his uncharacteristically low batting average. It could be that those who called him a traitor were in fact Rays fans upset that he signed with the rival Red Sox, complained about the attendance and lack of energy at Tropicana Field, or any number of statements from his press conference that had upset them. The fans mocking his uncharacteristically low batting average may very well be a mix of Rays and Red Sox fans. Crawford entered action with a slash line of .243/.276/.388 which is far below what the Red Sox nation thought they were getting when the team made a 7 year commitment of 142 million for his services. Imagine that, Crawford can't fathom a Red Sox fan at Tropicana Field upset with his output, only Rays fans would jeer him for it?

During the series with the Red Sox, Carl Crawford was asked to state the difference between the two organizations and his answer raised an eyebrow or two:

"It’s all baseball. But it’s a little different,’’ he said. "It’s more a younger team [in Tampa], so it was more like party central all the time. [In Boston] it’s a little more calmer, a little more conservative. That’s probably the biggest difference.’’ -Boston.com

As the season progressed the Rays dropped in the standings and the Red Sox rose to the top all but securing at least a wild card birth by September 1st as they had a 7.5 game lead on the Rays and a 9 game lead on the LA Angels. Crawford had shown flashes of production during parts of the year but he had been unable to sustain it and entered September with a rather marginal slash line of .253/.288/.398 with 10 home runs. I surmise most Rays fans spent the end of August preparing for their Fantasy Football Drafts and getting caught up with their college football teams than they did worrying about Carl Crawford or the Red Sox.

Then the improbable happened, the mighty Red Sox collapsed. Even the behemoth payroll has not been enough buffer to overcome the slew of injuries that have hit them and the team that seemingly has put the most pressure on the Sox was the Rays who won 6 out of 7 games versus the limping Sox in a 10 day period to crawl within 2 games of the wild card lead. Not only have the Rays re-entered the wild card picture, but the team that everyone thought Crawford would be best suited, the LA Anges, have raced up to within 2 1/2 games of the wild card lead. All this led to a very interesting blog post by Carl Crawford, who for some reasons takes every opportunity to ignite the ire of the Rays fans. 

On September 18th, Crawford penned a Diary Post for ESPN titled "Sorry for the year I've had." On the surface, the title seems to suggest that Crawford is making an attempt to reconcile some bitter emotions that may have surfaced from fans jeering him from the stands at Fenway Park (even ridiculing him for his uncharacteristically low batting average), or angry callers on Boston sports radio airwaves, or comments on blog entries surrounding the Red Sox organization, but that wasn't the object at all. Instead, the blog entry may reveal more about Carl Crawford's character than any other comment or action taken to date.

My view of Crawford's statement will be skewed.  I am not a psychiatrist but  have longed accepted the fact that professional athletes are in fact sheltered from criticism and often lash out when confronted with a heavy dose of doubt, and the Diary post was in my opinion Crawford lashing out.

The first statement Crawford makes is about a play at the plate where he throws a teammate under the bus:

I had the run where I wasn't sure whether to slide or not at home. I figured I could get in standing up, but it was kind of close. I definitely want Marco Scutaro next time to let me know if it’s going to be that close, and I told him that. He said he was telling me to slide but I didn't see him. 

What this has to do with apologizing for your season is beyond me?

Crawford digs in on the Rays:

Having played for Tampa for so long they definitely know how to pitch to me a little bit. It's then up to me to make the adjustments. I've had a full season of seeing how they want to pitch to me, how they want to get me out. I think over the years, you'll see me get better hitting their pitching because I've had to think about and figure out what they're trying to do with me. 

Crawford alludes that he'll do better versus the Rays next season. So, are we to believe that his struggles versus the Rays is the only reason he has struggled? I agree he needs to do better against the Rays in 2012 and beyond, but maybe he needs to include a few more teams to the list. Check his team by team splits (here).

Crawford continues to take his apology for the year he's had as an attack on the Rays, this time the fans:

Now that I am in a Red Sox uniform, I definitely hear the boos when I go back to Tampa, like our recent trip we made there. When I was in left field, I definitely heard heckling there. It was a bunch of haters in left field, pretty much. Hey, it's cool. I understand. The thing is, they've got to realize they've got to deal with me for another six years. I struggled this year and I'll give them this year. But I am definitely, definitely going to remember all that has happened. When I'm trying to work out and get better in the offseason, those haters will be on my mind. Just know they have another six years to deal with me. 

Again, he hears the boos when he comes to Tampa, what does this have to do with apologizing for the year you've had? And, is there any chance that the fans heckling you are angry bitter Red Sox fans? If the Red Sox fans were happy with you, why did you write this apologetic Diary?

And the final dig to summarize his disdain for the Rays organization and the fan base in Tampa Bay:

If Tampa makes a miracle comeback and takes the wild card from us, I will be devastated. I definitely wouldn't want to lose to those guys and watch them get into the playoffs while we go home. That would just be devastating to me.

One last note about the Diary. Crawford continues to reference most of his comments about the team, individuals who are performing well, and most problems are focused on a "we" perspective. Carl Crawford says he is apologizing for his season when in fact it appears he is venting about the Rays organizations and their fans and focuses on problems that the Red Sox on a whole are having.

Accountability Carl, it goes a long way in a clubhouse and in life.

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Was Crawford spoiled in TB?

I think that, since he was one of our only good players for a few seasons, the organization kind of catered to him excessively (don’t want to play CF, bat lead off, etc.) because they either 1)hoped that he would sign an extension at some point, or 2) they knew he was mentally fragile and that he would perform better if they just gave him what he wanted…maybe both.

He has never had to answer for anything as a pro, so he it shouldn’t be shocking that he isn’t good at the whole accountability thing. Add to that the fact that he has always been less than eloquent verbally and here we are.

On the other hand, I wonder if Crawford is just saying what many Rays players are thinking with regards to fans/attendance. Both Longo and Price have come out and set it was discouraging, so it’s not like Crawford is the only one that has mentioned that it bothered them. So, I’m not sure if it’s fair to vilify Carl for saying something that many players in TB’s locker room might actually agree with.

by M.J.R. on Sep 22, 2011 1:30 PM EDT reply actions  

certainly

Crawford can say what he said about the Rays fans and the lack of attendance/energy present.

Unfortunately, he has to add the end “comparing” the energy and fans in Fenway—-as a better brand of fan than in Tampa.

But in Boston, what I hear is you can have a broken arm, you hear all of those people screaming and yelling, and you forget about that arm and you’re playing. I can’t wait."

I guess those voices of the fans help heal a broken arm but a little stiff neck and he misses a double header.

by MrNegative1 on Sep 22, 2011 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

I am so glad i was never a part of his 'thanks Carl' card

And even happier for his struggles in Boston. It isn’t going to get any easier either, as age continues to peck away at his only skill, speed, i suspect the last few years of that deal will remind folks of the Mike Hampton and Barry Zito contracts, teams paying players to be part time players

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by sternfan1 on Sep 22, 2011 1:36 PM EDT reply actions  

I wasn't a part of it simply because I never really liked Crawford as much as others.

He never seemed to be a guy who honestly enjoyed it here (well, at least from 2008-2010). That is probably just my opinion though.

Players that seem to really enjoy it here, imo, and Shields and Price. Those two just love having a good time and seem like they would rather die than sign with Boston or NY (not literally, obviously).

by mr. maniac on Sep 22, 2011 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't regret doing that because of what he did when he was here

But this crap this year takes the tarnish off looking back at him in an enjoyable fashion.

I'm not a fanboy, I'm a _______

by Jason Collette on Sep 22, 2011 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nice work. I enjoyed this.

Hey Crawford, don’t be a hater just because you’ve already been replaced.

by FSUjab on Sep 22, 2011 1:46 PM EDT reply actions  

Glad you enjoyed

the point that I was hoping to drive across wasn’t so much Anti-Crawford and trying to stick it to him. It’s more an example of some other reasons besides signing with the Red Sox that Rays fans may have an issue with him.

The national media seems to paint the Rays fans as crude or unintelligent because they boo Crawford. They treat the Rays fans like they are the Philly fans who booed Santa Clause or cheered for a motionless Micheal Irvin during a football game. Crawford has brought some of the booing and discontent on himself with antagonistic comments. AND, I am not certain that the negative comments in Tampa are any worse than he hears out of the stands in Fenway Park.

by MrNegative1 on Sep 22, 2011 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

I can't wait to hear what Beej has to say mwhen he heads for a big market.

CC is not the only former player to bash Tampa upon leaving (Huff, even Burrell and Wynn). The difference is that he is taking it so personally and his remarks at the opening press conference were a bit much. I am surprised at how emotionally fragile he seems to be. He and BJ belong together.

by playjoyce on Sep 22, 2011 1:48 PM EDT reply actions  

It's as if he's blaming the Rays for his bad season because 'they know how to pitch him'

Wait a year ot so down the line when his INF hits completely disappear, as his speed diminishes even more

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by sternfan1 on Sep 22, 2011 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Speed is obviously not how he leads the team in INF hits

And when i said speed didn’t matter, it was strictly with him in mind

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by sternfan1 on Sep 22, 2011 2:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

im glad that he is the magical exception to the rule

i love kotch. but this is just a bad bad way to defend an argument.

Either speed matters for infield hits or it doesnt. Kotch doesnt travel through a special space/time wormhole that gets him to first base when all the others have to run it out.

or its luck. in which case the writers were right all along…

Yeah, I don't see Badancil turning out well.

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by blackraven on Jun 27, 2011 5:08 PM PDT

by Badancil on Sep 22, 2011 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

No one's arguing that Kotch doesn't lead the team in infield hits.

Just that he probably won’t continue to do so going forward. To paraphrase 14th century Arab philosopher and founder of modern history, Ibn Khaldun:

“The laws of baseball and physics apply to Kotch this year, just as much as they do to the rest of the league every year.”

by Whelk on Sep 22, 2011 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

i think the idea is that you applied one rule to one player

but not to the other.

seems fishy sterny.
fishy indeed.

Yeah, I don't see Badancil turning out well.

@dobbertweets

by blackraven on Jun 27, 2011 5:08 PM PDT

by Badancil on Sep 22, 2011 3:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

I asked a question on twitter

and would love to see a story/fan post about this.

How much of infield hits are speed and how much placement?

Do a certain group of players consistently get more infield hits (non-bunt) than others? Is there a group of players who lack the speed but traditionally get more infield hits.

Combining infield hits, including bunt hits, opens someone up to appear as they have different sets of rules for different players.

Has anyone done a study on infield hits speed vs luck after stripping away bunt hits?

by MrNegative1 on Sep 22, 2011 4:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

thanks

I think the discussion of infield hits is totally dependent on what type you are talking about (bunt hits, well placed [luck], etc.

I read a section of JC Bradbury’s book when discussing the skill set of guys a they get older and I believe guys who had speed which resulted in more infield hits (bunt + luck) which raised BA and OBP and more doubles which raised SLG% aged quicker as these dried up.

Maybe I’ll look into it more in the winter? Isn’t Jeter a big infield hit guy who doesn’t get a lot of bunt hits?

How do infield hits (non-bunt) correlate through a players career? Is it a repeatable skill or purely luck?

A lot of questions.

by MrNegative1 on Sep 22, 2011 4:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

No clue

Can’t wait for a full field f/x where we can get speed of ball of bat, angle/’trajectory off bat, and defensive alignment at time of pitch.

by MrNegative1 on Sep 22, 2011 4:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

Right

But how do people make those nice graphs of outs by vector when they’re talking about infield shifts?

Either I’m misreading those graphs or there’s some data source I’ve not discovered yet.

by Whelk on Sep 22, 2011 5:05 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Right

But how do people make those nice graphs of outs by vector when they’re talking about infield shifts?

Either I’m misreading those graphs or there’s some data source I’ve not discovered yet.

by Whelk on Sep 22, 2011 5:07 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Right

But how do people make those nice graphs of outs by vector when they’re talking about infield shifts?

Either I’m misreading those graphs or there’s some data source I’ve not discovered yet.

Yeah, I don't see Badancil turning out well.

@dobbertweets

by blackraven on Jun 27, 2011 5:08 PM PDT

by Badancil on Sep 22, 2011 5:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Right

But how do people make those nice graphs of outs by vector when they’re talking about infield shifts?

Either I’m misreading those graphs or there’s some data source I’ve not discovered yet.

by pudieron89 on Sep 22, 2011 10:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

i think ur confused

in baseball between the numbers, players with young player skills (avg/sbs/2b/3b) aged better than players with old player skills (think 3 true outcome types) because as they lost athleticism they added skill.

as far as infield hits goes, there are in my mind two things that lead to ifh speed and lots of balls to ifs. one of those is a good thing, the other not so much.

by rglass44 on Sep 22, 2011 4:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

I liked the baseball between the numbers piece

the Kevin Maas chapter I believe.

Infield hits (non-bunt) are a reflection of luck (placement) and speed. How much of each is involved.

Is the infield hits (non-bunt) a repeatable skill (high correlation year to year) or simply a matter of luck.

Of course, I wonder if high GB hitters like Derek Jeter get a lot of infield (non-bunt) hits.

Lots of questions, not confused by anything, uncertain of a lot.

by MrNegative1 on Sep 22, 2011 4:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Bradbury also told us

that Cleveland and Florida would dominate baseball, and that there wasn’t much economic advantage for a large market. Never been impressed with anything Bradbury had to say.

by djp68 on Oct 3, 2011 7:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

About this....
I am surprised at how emotionally fragile he seems to be.

Me too, but looking back, I don’t we should be that surprised. And, I hope he doesn’t expect anyone in Boston to treat him with the same kid gloves he was treated with here in TB.

by M.J.R. on Sep 22, 2011 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm not surprised at all

He’s not a tough guy. Never has been. I don’t mean that as a put down (necessarily). But if he ever is going to succeed in Boston, he’s going to have to toughen up. If he didn’t want people to be mean to him, he shoulda signed with Houston.

by nomoredevil on Sep 22, 2011 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah. He was always a bit sensitive, I thought.

The not wanting to play center field always came off to me as someone who was afraid to be taken out of their comfort zone. My first thought when he signed with Boston was that we get comp picks. My second thought was that that environment might eat him alive.

by Whelk on Sep 22, 2011 3:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Great link MR.STERNFAN

If only the other higher ups on this site, beside yourself, would stop repeating the BS that the poor redsux are injured and that is the reason they suck. That link points to a logical reason.
P.S. I understand your point about not wanting to turn this thread into a Kotchtalk and wish others did also. While they are looking at luck for infield hits, maybe they could also enlighten us on why the GIDP does not corespond with their analysis that Kotch would be a double play menace for the team.

by Landlord on Sep 22, 2011 4:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

If you read this post

you will see Mr.MrNegative use injuries as a reason for redsux turnaround. I also had this same critic for Mr, Collette a few days ago. Read up on things and stop making dumbshit Posts

by Landlord on Sep 22, 2011 4:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

I do agree that injuries on a team full of amazing players is a tough way to justify their season not being great.

I especially like when fans say playing the sox or yanks AAA players is a gimme. We have been playing AAA callups all year and winning. injuries is a weak excuse.

Yeah, I don't see Badancil turning out well.

@dobbertweets

by blackraven on Jun 27, 2011 5:08 PM PDT

by Badancil on Sep 22, 2011 5:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

seriously?

were pointing out an inconsistancy in his judgement.
Im not suggesting that luck is the factor.

In fact, id be happy to be enlightened as to what it is.
but what factors into an infield hit?
Other players on base. (which can cause indecision in the fielders and hypothetically slow down the play. but thats a weak idea to rely on)
the time it takes to get the ball to first
the time it takes for the player to get to first.

So the time it takes to get the ball to first can be said to be governed by placement, so either kotch can place a ball perfectly in the infield (doubtful) or it is lucky that he has put it in the right places.

The time it takes the player to get to first is all speed. Which i think we can all agree Kotch doesnt have tons of.

So if we strip away bunts, which kotch is not good at, and CC is good at. then all we really have left is speed, placement, or luck, and placement is a hard thing to define as a skill in the infield, and is related to that second point, luck.

Please try to keep the SF1 sluuuurp to a minimum when people are trying to debate a salient point.

Yeah, I don't see Badancil turning out well.

@dobbertweets

by blackraven on Jun 27, 2011 5:08 PM PDT

by Badancil on Sep 22, 2011 5:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nice job Neg, as usual...however

I believe CC bit off a little more than he can chew, at least THIS year. Sometimes the limelight doesn’t work so well when changing teams. I certainly agree that CC should just STFU, I’m wondering what will be wriiten about him when he DOES decide to once again put his talent on the table

by 27ftBaja on Sep 22, 2011 2:11 PM EDT reply actions  

on a statistical front

there are many articles about Crawford still to come. He can rebound and move forward or continue to decline and become Cesar Cedeno.

Crawford’s story is only in the middle, will be interesting to see the future.

by MrNegative1 on Sep 22, 2011 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nice piece Mr. Neg.

It looks like what Biggie said is true… Mo Money Mo Problems.

I do this for free

by SRQman on Sep 22, 2011 2:12 PM EDT reply actions  

R.I.P.

@RealNolenBailey

by Hatfield on Sep 22, 2011 5:35 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

I never felt Crawford was top tier baseball player and still do not

I share Bobby Valentine’s critique of Crawford as well as quite a few MLB scouts. Carl Crawford is a good athlete but an average baseball player. His foot speed made up for a lot of inadequacies in other areas.
Desmond Jennings is a much better rounded baseball player right now that Carl ever has been or will be. Carl had/has few, if any “baseball instincts”. His base running was speed only. He seldomn got good reads on a pitcher and many many times made stupid baserunning decisions. He seldon got good breaks on fly balls. Once again he just had speed. Carl’s batting stance is among the worst in baseball and cannot hit left handed pitching much better than Joyce, but was never platooned because he was our number 1 man.
I liked Carl as a member of the Rays but was never enamored with him as a top notch baseball player because he simply is not. The rare company you include him in was only for the number of stolen bases. Take that out of the equation and he is very average. One last thing Carl has a very weak arm, average at best and the problem with that even he is very inaccurate. To this day Carl has not conquered the concept of getting on top of the ball with proper thread alignment to keep the ball from sailing on him. How many men has Carl thrown out in his career? Actually how many balls have been able to be caught by the player standing on the bag. Throwing to the wrong bag is a whole differentr matter. That is why Fuld and now Jennings were and are a fresh breath of air. Boston scouts really blew this one. They will never get a fraction out of this contract!!! It kind of makes me wonder about Theo Epstein as well!! Oh yea, why has Carl never learned now to bunt after what, 10 years?

by rayalan on Sep 22, 2011 2:15 PM EDT reply actions  

He could easily go down as one of the worst FA busts in MLB history.

Not saying that he will, but would anyone be surprised if it turned out to be at this point? Epstein is running the Red Sox likes the Yankees, spending money and prospects on big names instead of constructing a team. Now, he has to pay the piper. Looking at the SP he has traded away over the years, they could sure use some of these guys right now. Even a guy like Arroyo, who they got NOTHING for, has been a more serviceable starter the last few years than Dice-K or Wakefield. The Lackey and CC deals should cost him his job.

by M.J.R. on Sep 22, 2011 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

I wouldn't go that far

Crawford still brings a dynamic skill set to the table that if he puts it back together is a far way from Aaron Rowand, Barry Zito, and the like.

Crawford may not ever be worth the 142 million dollars but he could still be a very valuable player in the future.

Who knows what happened this year or what will happen in the future. I know some predict doom for him but I can still see a very serviceable player who may be the victim of just having an awful season where nothing ever got started for him.

by MrNegative1 on Sep 22, 2011 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree, and said that it might not happen.

But, I wouldn’t be shocked if he became a total bust either.

by M.J.R. on Sep 22, 2011 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree Mr MrNegative

A perfect example of this is a player of ours that had a horrendous 2010. Unfortunatly some on here keep using that year as a reason to bash him.

by Landlord on Sep 22, 2011 4:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Agree

CC was always overrated. And frankly he isn’t a good fit in LF in Fenway. He gets a good chunk of value in his defense. His offensive profile, other than steals, is extremely volatile. That isn’t what you want in a high priced FA. The problem has always been he is a hacker that doesn’t walk. So occassinally he is going to have a bad year at the dish. Typically he makes up for with steals and D. Fenway takes away the D. Not sure where the steals went.

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by matthan on Sep 22, 2011 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

I would imagine he doesn't have free reign to run like he did here.

Combine that with fewer opportunities (not getting on base as often) and there you go.

by M.J.R. on Sep 22, 2011 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

Jennings > Crawford

and Jennings makes 150x less than Crawford lol!

by Raysfan98 on Sep 22, 2011 6:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Fact is playing in a big market is far superior to playing here

The Trop stinks, the stands are empty, and very little energy exists. It is what it is. Players know it, fans know it, everyone knows it. We shouldn’t fault someone for stating the obvious.

Now there is a blurry line in regards to where it becomes pot shots at the organization, the players, the fans, and frankly excessive. I think Carlhas crossed that line.

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by matthan on Sep 22, 2011 2:46 PM EDT reply actions  

agree
The Trop stinks, the stands are empty, and very little energy exists. It is what it is. Players know it, fans know it, everyone knows it. We shouldn’t fault someone for stating the obvious.

even if everything stated is true and we shouldn’t get upset at someone for stating the obvious, we are going to do exactly that. Not a big deal, but in the middle of spring training, it was something that sparked an emotional response by the fanbase, which is why it was included in the story. Even Matt Garza said something similar and I wonder what the reaction would of been if he had said it multiple times and had to pitch at the Trop this year. I’m certain many fans would of voiced there displeasure at Garza for stating the obvious. It’s human nature.

by MrNegative1 on Sep 22, 2011 2:54 PM EDT reply actions  

Besides having an awful year, he hates it because he's no longer a prima donna

Can you imagine if Joe Maddon had penciled him 6th or 7th in a Rays line up, where he should have hit v LHP? Or if he had to only run when the steal sign was on?

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by sternfan1 on Sep 22, 2011 2:55 PM EDT reply actions  

So glad I didn't put any money in for that ad.

Boston overpaid for a hack happy left fielder that will play 50% of his games in a park that anyone could play left field.

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by blackraven on Sep 22, 2011 3:36 PM EDT reply actions  

Depending who you believe the Angels may have matched Boston's offer

which means it wasn’t just a business decision. Either he really loves the Fenway fans, or he wanted to stick it to us, or his 6-year old son was more excited by Boston. (http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/sports_blog/2010/12/a-look-at-how-the-carl-crawford-deal-went-down-for-red-sox-angels.html)

I wonder if he let his 6-year old write the conclusion to that “apology”: “Hopefully when we get into these playoffs, I can be the real Carl Crawford that I know I am”

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by cosmic charlie on Sep 22, 2011 3:45 PM EDT reply actions  

hey cosmic

I almost include a tidbit about that in the story:

Here is what Arte Moreno had to say about the Crawford Signing:

He first refuted the rumor that the club made an official offer to Crawford, saying that the price the Red Sox paid for Crawford is “crazy” and noting that the total value of the contract ($142 million) is nearly as much as he paid for the Angels seven years ago ($183 million). He also said that Crawford and the Red Sox had agreed on their deal before the Angels ever made Crawford with an official offer, though the club was in contact with the player in November.

http://www.aolnews.com/2010/12/17/arte-moreno-angels-didnt-bid-on-carl-crawford-adrian-beltre-o/

by MrNegative1 on Sep 22, 2011 4:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

OK I guess I stand corrected

Still, can’t wait to see that 2-for-15 ALDS if the Rays don’t get there

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by cosmic charlie on Sep 23, 2011 8:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

haters

Sure are lots of neophyte CC haters here. He had a tremendous set of years here in TB. I take his current rant with a graiin of salt. He’s just venting because he feels bad about having a bad year. Cut him a little slack. Show me a player who would have turned down that kind of contract and to play with a tradition-laden team like the Red Sox. What he apparently didn’t appreciate is the pressure that the choice put him under in Boston. Though any idiot could have told him that this was in store for him. He is capable of putting up some monster stats in Boston if given the opportunity.

by learnedglove on Sep 22, 2011 4:10 PM EDT reply actions  

I don't think there are a lot of CC Haters

but when a guy comes out and says something like this:

If Tampa makes a miracle comeback and takes the wild card from us, I will be devastated. I definitely wouldn’t want to lose to those guys and watch them get into the playoffs while we go home. That would just be devastating to me.

it tends to sour a lot of fans emotions.

Just for fun, what makes you thin that he is capable of putting up some monster numbers in Boston if given the opportunity?

Not doubting that Crawford could put up good numbers, but I don’t see how his skill set is well suited to put up monster numbers or for his skills to be fully valued in Boston. (And don’t think I’m being combative or argumentative, just love to hear an answer).

by MrNegative1 on Sep 22, 2011 4:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Who cares if he said that?

What is he supposed to say "yeah, if we had to lose I’m glad it’s to Tampa’? No. They are paying him now. He is a professional and he has to say stuff like that or be branded a traitor. I’m not mad at him at all. He played great while he was here. He made a business decision to leave and he left.

Now that he plays for Boston it’s nice to see him having a down year, but nitpicking all of this stuff is silly to me. He went to a division rival. He is probably being baited with questions every day hoping to get him to rail against Tampa to create a story.

Could he have a little more tact? Sure, but he’s a baseball player. Not a politician. I don’t care what he says. I only care about how he performs on the field. He played great here and now plays badly for them while still soaking up millions of their dollars. Couldn’t be a better scenario if he had to go.

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by LeeCaz on Sep 23, 2011 1:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

the idea

is not to nitpick.

The point of the article was two fold.

The first was to document that fans in Tampa (who I am defending more than assaulting Crawford) don’t simply boo Crawford because he signed with the Red Sox. Hell, most players in a Red Sox uniform should be boo’ed loudly while they are at the Trop. The national media constantly frames the story as if Crawford has been knighted or achieved Saint Hood in St.Petersburg and is being unjustifiably booed. He has done more than enough to fill the bill of a Red Sox player who wants to beat Tampa (which his later quotes justify) that he is now fair game.

The second point was his Diary blog. If I covered a blog on the Cleveland Indians and a former Indian like CC Sabathia made the same comments about beating Cleveland, was having a bad year, and titled the article the same, I would write the same thing about CC. Again, the second point is that Crawford wrote an apology where he again said negative items about TB (which makes it fair game in here) and never apologized for anything.

Thanks for your comments as they are appreciated even if we don’t see eye to eye.

by MrNegative1 on Sep 23, 2011 7:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

I don't think the author is accusing him of any wrong doing as far as signing with BOS goes.

It’s the bs Crawford’s spweing about being booed in Tampa Bay, throwing Scutaro under the bus, writing an apologetic blog and then not apologizing for anything.

You have it backwards my friend

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by sternfan1 on Sep 22, 2011 4:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

that. is. awesome.

Yeah, I don't see Badancil turning out well.

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by blackraven on Jun 27, 2011 5:08 PM PDT

by Badancil on Sep 22, 2011 5:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

All of you are a bunch of whiny, jealous crybaby haters.

It’s amazing that for all of the years you’ve been exposed to him, that you can’t comprehend that he might be the kind of guy who would kiss all of the ass in the world when given a $142 million dollar contract.

Also, Fuck Crawford. We obviously didn’t need him.

Proof Matthan admitted he was wrong: http://www.draysbay.com/2011/3/18/2058018/ottotd-for-3-18-2011-thursday-night-t-v#61697767

by kericr on Sep 22, 2011 4:53 PM EDT reply actions  

NOBODY

blames Carl Crawford for signing a 142 million dollar contract. I hope that came across in my article.

If you can please refrain from profanity on the front page comments.

by MrNegative1 on Sep 22, 2011 4:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

as the legal guardian of a sheltered teenage boy, i concur.

should he happen to check my internet history and find this site, I cannot imagine the irreparable damage that might be done to his still-developing mind.

by daveh33 on Sep 22, 2011 5:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

I am shocked

Shocked I say! This is supposed to be a Fuck Free Front Page!

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by Rayskins on Sep 22, 2011 5:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

Dumbshit

Is cool though.

"Come at me you scrawny red-dot indian motherfucker." DPIR :The Story

by Rayskins on Sep 22, 2011 5:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeah, i never got the impression that they were bashing crawford for taking that contract.

Yeah, I don't see Badancil turning out well.

@dobbertweets

by blackraven on Jun 27, 2011 5:08 PM PDT

by Badancil on Sep 22, 2011 5:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

just like they wont bash you for peddling BigPharm and Health Insurance

but i will.

and I did bash Carl for signing with Boston too. just so you know I’m consistent mr bad pencil

by daveh33 on Sep 22, 2011 5:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

i dont push health insurance.

I would love an alternative and support it fully.

Yeah, I don't see Badancil turning out well.

@dobbertweets

by blackraven on Jun 27, 2011 5:08 PM PDT

by Badancil on Sep 22, 2011 5:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

nice try

bet your publicist told you to write this, just like the half-butt attempt from mr crawford to thank us fans

by daveh33 on Sep 22, 2011 5:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

if you think doctors like health insurance. you are clearly not very intelligent.

Doctors hate health insurance.

Yeah, I don't see Badancil turning out well.

@dobbertweets

by blackraven on Jun 27, 2011 5:08 PM PDT

by Badancil on Sep 22, 2011 5:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

also not a fan of obamacare.

Yeah, I don't see Badancil turning out well.

@dobbertweets

by blackraven on Jun 27, 2011 5:08 PM PDT

by Badancil on Sep 22, 2011 6:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

or medicare for that matter.

Yeah, I don't see Badancil turning out well.

@dobbertweets

by blackraven on Jun 27, 2011 5:08 PM PDT

by Badancil on Sep 22, 2011 6:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah

His son is probably just a clone paid for by Friedman

"Few things are harder to put up with than the annoyance of a good example." ~ Mark Twain

by LeeCaz on Sep 23, 2011 1:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

Honestly, the bit at the end about not wanting to lose the wild card to us

doesn’t really seem like he hates us as much as how much that would just suck for him. Think about it, he leaves to go to a place that he expects to be much better and probably thought we were going to collapse without him, and next thing he knows we’re right in the thick of it. To me Crawford strikes me as extremely naive and unaware of how he comes off, certainly a bit spoiled as well, but I don’t quite see bitterness here.

by nubcake on Sep 22, 2011 11:50 PM EDT reply actions  

Bitterness

was never the point of the article. He can feel however he wants, say what he wants, he is now a member of the Red Sox. But when he hears boos coming from the stands, its not unjustified or thrown at him with malice. His comments through the year separated him from the Rays past. Later in his career this may change, but for now, he is firmly committed to being a member of the dreaded Red Sox and he has earned the same treatment in Tropicana Field as David Ortiz, Dustin Pedroia, Kevin Youkilis, or Jonathon Paplebon. He has earned it…no free pass, he shouldn’t expect it.

by MrNegative1 on Sep 23, 2011 7:52 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

I contributed to the ad, and am not sorry because

I did not do it because I thought Crawford was such a wonderful person. Actually, I rarely care much about the personality of players-or rather I am rarely under any illusion that I know much about their personalities. Even now, I don’t imagine I really know Crawford-whether he really wrote that stuff, what his motivations are or what he thinks they mean.

I did contribute for two reasons. One, in the years the Devil Rays were really terrible, he was among the few players who provided highlights on more than a very occasional basis. He was bred in the system, came up very young and seemed to get better and become an exciting player, even a star in some ways, and that made it easy to root for him. My contribution represented simply my appreciation for his contributions to the Rays and for his presence making attending Rays games something to look forward to.

He and Kazmir were the first Rays who fans could know were on the all-star teams on merit, not because every team had to have a member, and the first ones really respected by other teams’ fans. The memory of those experiences has not changed. And as I had no illusions about the person himself, although certainly reading some things leave a sour taste now, I don’t feel betrayed or disillusioned.

The second reason is that I liked the idea of Rays fans doing something unusual, demonstrating an attitude of appreciation for what a player did accomplish even while he was leaving. That seemed to me generous and even noble, and I was glad to be part of it. I don’t see how anything Crawford says or does changes that at all.

by bobr on Sep 23, 2011 2:26 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

many

would agree with you and many would disagree with you.

Enjoyed reading your response.

by MrNegative1 on Sep 23, 2011 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

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