Monday Morning Rays Wrap Up: The Final Countdown
The Rays finished the week with a record of 3-4 and are one game behind the Boston Red Sox for the AL Wild Card with three game left to play. While the Yankees were taking 3 out of 4 from the Rays early in the week the Red Sox were losing 3 out of 4 at home to the Baltimore Orioles.The Rays returned home to face the Blue Jays and took 2 out of 3 from the Jays for their 14th consecutive home series win against the Jays. The Red Sox lost 2 out of 3 in New York and but were able to salvage the second game of the Sunday doubleheader in New York to remain 1 game ahead of the Rays and 3 games ahead of the LA Angels. The chase for the wild card will depend on the outcomes of three series: the Yankees at the Rays, the Red Sox at the Orioles, and the Rangers at the Angels (who need a flat out miracle to force a playoff game).
The Rays will host the New York Yankees for three games beginning Monday. On Monday the Rays will send James Shields vs Phil Hughes, Tuesday will feature Jeremy Hellickson vs Bartolo Colon, and Wednesday will feature "undecided" versus David Price.
The Red Sox will travel to Baltimore to take on the Orioles in a 3 game series. On Monday the Orioles will send Tommy Hunter up against Josh Beckett, Tuesday's matchup will feature Zach Britton vs Erik Bedard, and Wednesday will feature Alfredo Simon vs Jon Lester.
The Angels are at home for 3 games vs the Texas Rangers and have their top three pitchers Dan Haren, Jeff Weaver, and Ervin Santana scheduled to start but will need both Tampa Bay and Boston to lose 2 out of 3 and for them to sweep to have a shot at a 1 game playoff. The Rangers rotation is unknown for the 3 game series as they have clinched the division and will be lining up their post-season rotation.
The Weeks Game Highlights After The Jump
Tuesday: Rays bats silenced by Ivan Nova as the Yankees defeat the Rays 5-0
The Rays looked to Wade Davis in the first game of a 4 game series with the Yankees. Unfortunately, Davis wasn't sharp only lasting 4.2 innings, giving up 5R/4ER on 8 hits while striking out 2 and walking 5. Ivan Nova shut the Rays offense down for 7.2 innings allowing no runs on 6 hits while striking out 3 and walking 3. The Rays offense had opportunities to break through in the 6th and 7th innings. B.J. Upton led off the 6th inning but the Rays were unable to bring him home but that was just a warmup for a blown opportunity in the 7th. The Rays loaded the bases with nobody out Nova struck out Desmond Jennings and induced a double play ball by B.J. Upton to end the inning.
Wade Davis on his poor start:
"I wanted to come out today and have a good outing and give our team a chance to win," Davis said. "It's frustrating. You want to go out there and keep your team in the game. But giving up four runs in one inning is tough to swallow." -mlb.com
Wednesday Game 1: Rays bullpen blows late lead as Yankees win 4-2.
The Rays trailed the Yankees 1-0 heading to the third innings and took the lead on a Desmond Jennings 2-run home run. James Shields protected the 2-1 lead into the eighth inning but Edward Nunez hit a lead off home run to tie the game at 2. Shields remained in the game and struck out Eric Chavez for the first out but gave up a single to Brett Gardner who stole second and a walk to Derrick Jeter. Joe Maddon turned to J.P. Howell to face Robinson Cano who promptly delivered a 2-RBI double to give the Yankees a 4-2 lead. Brandon Gomes came in and struck out Alex Rodriguez and got Nick Swisher to ground out to second base. Mariano Rivera came in and slammed the door for his 44th save of the year. The victory clinched a playoff spot for the Yankees.
Joe Maddon on his decision to use J.P. Howell to face Robinson Cano.
"Well, [Howell has] done really well against lefties, actually, this year," Maddon said. "And he's the one ground-ball pitcher that we have among the lefties. Cano's like 52 percent on the ground versus left-handers. So you have a 50-50 chance that he'll put the ball on the ground." -mlb.com
Joe Maddon on Rays lack of offense:
"We obviously have to score more than two runs," Maddon said. "You look at a game like that and you're immediately going to blame the latter part of the game. But we had chances against a variety of different pitchers to score more than we did. And that's really where the game was lost today."-mlb.com
James Shields on his failure to protect the lead in the 8th inning:
"I'm extremely disappointed," said Shields, who took his 12th loss of the season. "A 2-1 ballgame, I have to do a better job in the eighth inning right there. That's my game right there. Obviously, the home run. But I've got to come back and get the job done."-mlb.com
Wednesday Evening: Rays lose another late inning lead and fall to NY 4-2.
Jeremy Hellickson worked 7 strong innings giving up 2 runs on 2 hits while striking out 3 and walking 4. The Rays and Yankees were all tied at 2 entering the bottom of the eighth inning. Jake McGee came in to relieve Hellickson and struck out Edwin Nunez for the first out but gave up a double to pinch hitter Nick Swisher before retiring Curtis Granderson for the second out. With Mark Teixeira due up Juan Cruz was summoned into the game and walked Teixeira. Cesar Ramos replaced Cruz but fell behind Robinson Cano 3-1 before he was intentionally walked. With the bases loaded and two out, Brandon Gomes came in to face Jesus Montero, but Joe Girardi responded with Jorge Posada to pinch hit for Montero. Posada responded with a 2-RBI single to give the Yankees a 4-2 lead. Former Ray Rafael Soriano came in to set the Rays down in the bottom of the ninth securing the victory and in conjunction with a Red Sox loss to Baltimore the Yankees won the AL East crown.
Joe Maddon on being swept in doubleheader only to lose 1/2 game in standings:
"Absolutely, we feel lucky," Rays manager Joe Maddon said. "We're very fortunate that Baltimore has played as well as they have. They played well against us also. They have a nice team. They have a bunch of veterans on that group. We were very fortunate no question. ... We've never done anything easily. So let's do this in a difficult manner. We just have to get more offense." -mlb.com
Joe Maddon addressing the return of Ben Zobrist:
"The first game, he's going to pinch-hit with a couple of guys on and he's going to come up big, and it didn't happen. Then in the second game, of course he's going to give the baby a birthday present. I mean, I'm really thinking in that manner. It just didn't happen.
But honestly, he was ready to play." "Of course, it's an emotional moment, a baby being born," said Maddon who confessed to looking for some magic from Zobrist. "But what better time to give the baby a real birthday present? I actually had those kinds of thoughts in the back of my mind, like 'This is perfect.' -mlb.com
Thursday: Matt Moore K's 11 Yankees & offense scores 15 as Rays defeat Yanks 15-8.
The Yankees spent Wednesday evening celebrating and it showed Thursday as the Yankees pitching staff allowed 15 runs to the Rays offense and Matt Moore went through the Yankees like a hot knife through butter striking out 11 in 5 innings of work. Moore did not, as some may suggest, face a Scranton Wilkes Berry lineup as he dominated the veterans in the Yankee lineup as well. Derek Jeter, Mark Teixeira, Andrew Jones, Jorge Posada, and Nick Swisher went 1-9 with 7 K's vs Moore.
Moore on his preparation for his start:
"I never want to envision myself doing something bad," said Moore when asked if he could have pictured the result he got Thursday night. "I think as an athlete, you can ask anybody in here, you don't picture yourself doing anything wrong or things going against you.
"For the most part, what's between your ears, you have to train yourself to envision things going the right way. And so that's where my head was at going into today."
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Joe Maddon on Moore's first start:
"He was outstanding," Rays manager Joe Maddon said. "I liked the strike zone. I like the strike throwing and I like the life at the end. You can see that from the side. ... His composure, Yankee Stadium, the situation, the strikes, all those things speak to the makeup of Matt Moore. ... He's pretty advanced for his age and experience level."--mlb.com
Check out Moore trying to act like he wasn't sure if he was starting or not:
Matt Moore after his start against NY:
Friday: Operation Devastation is devastating as Price errors help Toronto to 5-1 victory.
Brandon Morrow tormented the Rays again with 7 innings of shutout ball. The Rays seemed to lack energy and focus as David Price made two key errors in the 3fd inning and B.J. Upton made a base running blunder that left many scratching their heads. The Blue Jays had J.P. Arencibia at 1st with 1-out when Jason Cooper hit a double play ball back to the mound. Price fielded the ball but threw wildly to first and Zobrist was unable to record an out. Mike McCoy followed up with a single to load the bases for Eric Thames. Thames sent a 1-hopper back to David Price who threw a bullet to Kelly Shoppach who was barely able to get a glove on the ball as it went to the backstop allowing 2 runs to score. Later in the inning a RBI single by Kelly Johnson made the score 3-0. The Rays offense was silent until the 9th inning when they pushed across a run to avoid being shut out. David Price was not effective and only lasted 6 innings giving up 5R/2ER on 5 hits while striking out 7 and walking 2.
Saturday: The Gods of Baseball, Alex Torres, and Johnny Damon lead Rays to 6-2 victory.
Call it the Trop advantage, call it luck, call it the Gods of baseball smiling. Somehow, the Rays pushed two runs across in the bottom of the first to tie the game after Jeff Niemann looked flat and surrendered 2 runs in the top of the first. B.J. Upton hits a foul pop up and David Cooper loses it in the roof and B.J. responds with his second life with a single. After B.J. stole second base and Evan Longoria struck out, Ben Zobrist sent a grounder to shortstop Mick McCoy who threw wildly at first allowing Upton to score from second and Zobrist to move up to second. Johnny Damon then hit a pop fly that landed between Colby Rasmus and Kelly Johnson who both just stopped and allowed the ball to drop allowing Zobrist to score to tie the game. Joe Maddon pulled Jeff Niemann after the first inning and Alex Torres gave the Rays more than they could have hoped for by going 5 scoreless innings giving up 3 hits while striking out 5 and walking only 1. The Rays took a 3-2 lead on a Ben Zobrist home run in the 4th inning and received the breathing room they needed on a 3-run homer by Johnny Damon in the bottom of the 8th. Kyle Farnsworth returned to action and pitched a 1-2-3 ninth with 2 strikeouts.
Alex Torres on his performance:
"I never feel nervous," Torres said. "When I came up [to the Rays] the second time [this season], I told Joe Maddon, 'I'm just going to make adjustments, because I've been a starter all year in Triple-A.' Like I said to him, 'If you're going to use me in any situation, I'll be ready for that.'"-mlb.com
Joe Maddon on Torres performance:
"They hit some balls hard against him the first couple of hitters," Maddon said. "Then after that, he really settled in and started making some better pitches. I thought he brought the changeup into the mix more consistently.
"He knew where the fastball was going, too. And once he had those two things going on, he got really good. Definitely he's a tough guy. He's got the right kind of makeup to play here. He's got AL East makeup, that's fantastic."
Sunday: Wade Davis spectacular as Rays defeat Toronto 5-2.
Wade Davis gave the Rays an impressive 8 innings of work allowing 2R/2ER on 3 hits while striking out 6 and walking only 2. The Rays offense was provided via the home run as B.J. Upton hit a solo shot in the first and one out later Ben Zobrist hit an inside the park homer in the top of the first. Evan Longoria blasted a 2-run home run off the cat walk in the bottom of the 3rd to give the Rays a 4-1 lead. The Blue Jays cut the lead to 4-2 on a Dewayne Wise home run in the top of the fifth. Kelly Shoppach gave the runs their fifth run as he too blasted a ball off the cat walk. Joel Peralta came in and worked the ninth to earn his 6th save of the year.
Johnny Damon on the Rays playoff position:
"It's great, especially where we were and where we are right now," said Johnny Damon of the Rays' position. "We're pretty much in control of our own destiny, but we can't control what happens with Boston, so we just have to keep going out there playing and hopefully keep winning."-mlb.com
Johnny Damon on what the Red Sox must be going through:
"I'm sure it's not too good right now, but that's something I don't have to worry about and that's a good thing," Damon said. "That's a tough place to play. And the thing about playing up there, you hear about it every second of the day. And like I said, I'm glad I don't have to worry about it."-mlb.com
Joe Maddon on Wade Davis' impressive start:
"I've talked about that with
DavidDavis A lot of young pitchers need to understand their weapons, understand what they have in the toolbox and how to utilize them. Sometimes they'll watch another good pitcher do something and then they want to do that, even though it's not time for them to attempt that. I would rather you compete with yourself as opposed to somebody else in those situations."-mlb.com
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Last nights game was hard to watch A) because it went 14 innings, 2) because the Yankees had an arsenal on the bench that could’ve been used, and D) because there was joy in the Red Sox dugout.
That joy in the Red Sox dugout reaffirmed my disdain for them and magnified my dislike of the Yankees 5 fold.
Yankees owe us nothing
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by Imperialism32 on Sep 26, 2011 9:29 AM EDT up reply actions
Just saying there's no reason to dislike them more for last night
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by Imperialism32 on Sep 26, 2011 9:45 AM EDT up reply actions
dislike them more
There is a huge reason to dislike them more. His name is Scott Proctor.
You may not dislike them anymore as there is a point of diminishing returns on dislike but i may of reached it last night and before last night I probably wasn’t there.
I’ll hate the Yankees again until the next time they have a chance to do damage to Boston.
by MrNegative1 on Sep 26, 2011 10:03 AM EDT up reply actions
The Yanks tossed in the hat....that simple, basically.
They had no need to keep up with that game, and they certainly weren’t managing to win it that hard. So eh, I’m just disappointed their scrubs couldn’t finish the game off earlier.
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by Steve Slowinski on Sep 26, 2011 10:29 AM EDT up reply actions
This implies that hatred is rational
I agree that the Yankees owe us nothing. But this has no impact on my level of Yankee-hate.
by nomoredevil on Sep 26, 2011 10:20 AM EDT up reply actions
A, 2, D -- is that a Home Alone reference?!
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by MrNegative1 on Sep 26, 2011 12:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Yanks JV took 2 of 3 from Boston
Rays should be glad.
by ChrisSimmsSpleen on Sep 26, 2011 9:32 AM EDT reply actions
Anyway, we have our three best starters and we have Matt Moore ready to go in the fireman role
Pitching is set up nicely, just need Tommy Hunter to come through. Baltimore’s best shot is to win Britton vs. Bedard obviously, so if we pull even tonight with two to go (Bedard vs. Britton, and then Lester who’s been bad in Sept and also on three days’ rest, I like our chances).
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Matt Moore
I’d love to not have to use him in relief this week and have him ready to take the mound if necessary Thursday.
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Gotta win to get to a tiebreak
That means using your best guys in high-lev spots
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by Imperialism32 on Sep 26, 2011 9:46 AM EDT up reply actions
Who would start a potential 1-game playoff?
Unless we luck out and don’t need to use Moore in relief in series (or if he pitches an inning tonight he could give us three on Thursday and then piece it together), it’s pretty ugly. It’s Niemann’s regular spot but obviously he’s been spotty. Wade Davis on three day’s rest? Alex Torres?
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Well, the Red Sox will have Wakefield's turn up...
…so I think it’s winnable either way.
by ChrisSimmsSpleen on Sep 26, 2011 9:36 AM EDT up reply actions
Personally, I was assuming Moore.
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by Steve Slowinski on Sep 26, 2011 9:47 AM EDT up reply actions
That'd be great assuming three blowouts of NY
But say Price gets hit around on Wednesday. We entered the day tied with Boston, and now it’s a 6-6 after five innings in New York (this is hypothetical, we’d never score 6 runs, etc). If you’re going to use Moore there (and I believe they would and should), then you have to use him if a similar high-lev spot comes up in games one or two of the series.
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by Imperialism32 on Sep 26, 2011 10:29 AM EDT up reply actions
I wouldn't say assuming three blowouts.
If one of our starters implodes early? Then yeah, definitely have to go to Moore and that’d suck. But if we’re just talking the 7th inning or later, I’m counting on Maddon to ride Peralta and Farnsy hard.
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by Steve Slowinski on Sep 26, 2011 10:31 AM EDT up reply actions
If a starter implodes and we're down 5 or more
Then I think we have to go with Sonnanstine for a few innings and try to piece it together
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by Imperialism32 on Sep 26, 2011 10:34 AM EDT up reply actions
Basically a start on Saturday, so probably Wednesday at the earliest
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by Imperialism32 on Sep 26, 2011 12:49 PM EDT up reply actions
I enjoy these recaps
Love the quotes. I don’t read the MSM mucha nymore, but am still interested in the weeks soundbytes from Maddon and co. This one does however need more SF1. Wolfpac represent!
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Noesi is going tonight.
Colon tomorrow. No word on Wednesday.
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by Steve Slowinski on Sep 26, 2011 10:34 AM EDT up reply actions
Hopefully they decide to try Dellin Betances or something
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by Imperialism32 on Sep 26, 2011 10:35 AM EDT up reply actions
I'm hoping
for a Scott Proctor start on Wednesday. :)
by MrNegative1 on Sep 26, 2011 10:48 AM EDT up reply actions
Hopefully Sonny isn't on the bump for us on Wednesday, if you're catching my drift
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How do the Yankees not PR for Montero and is he slower than Shop or what?
Poor bunt i get, but it was bobbled and he’s still forced at 2B
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Probably promised Martin the game off
He caught that afternoon. Posada was out of the game too by that point, no? If he was, then they’d want to keep Montero in the game in case something happened to Romine. Same reason they didn’t PH for Romine with the bases loaded.
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by Imperialism32 on Sep 26, 2011 10:59 AM EDT up reply actions
is there a typo on the quote where madden said he spoke to david.. isn't it supposed to be wade davis?
by PreachITBrotha on Sep 26, 2011 10:59 AM EDT reply actions
Take this fwiw, and trust me i make more typos in one day than most in a month, but
you’re on a Rays fan web site. The manager is completing his 6th season. His name is MADDON
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yeah, the quote say's David (on Mlb.com)
must’ve heard Davis and typed David.
by MrNegative1 on Sep 26, 2011 11:13 AM EDT up reply actions
Hey guys...
I’m a Phillies fan but the Rays have been my second favorite team pretty much since the 2008 season. I love the way the front office operates and the players you have on this team. I try and catch as many of their games as I can. Which isn’t as many as I would like since my wife already complains about how many Phillies games I watch.
That said, few things in this world would give me more pleasure than watching the Sox completely crumble and the Rays sneak in and make the playoffs. This team can be very dangerous in a short series.
Good luck this week.
Ed Snider is a crotchety old fuck.
That is all.
Our FO does some amazing things with a small payroll, but trust me on this to a man, most here would
love to have the payroll flexibility of Ruben Amaro, if just for one season
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Given an extra $50 mil to have spent this year, what would you have done differently?
With the FA’s that were out there before the season began, and again before the deadline, what changes would you have made?
(Taking into account that you could not have foreseen the future at the beginning of the season and wouldn’t have known that Longoria would get injured/suck for a good portion of the year.)
by JaxRaysGirl on Sep 26, 2011 11:20 AM EDT up reply actions
given an additional 50 mil
I probably would’ve gone after Micheal Young, maybe made a play after JJ Hardy, maybe made a deal for Mark Reynolds, there is so much that the Rays could’ve done if they had the financial firepower to work with.
I don’t know if I would’ve let Carlos Pena go if I could of got him in a 2-year 16 mil deal with a 3rd year option (mutual)…
I may of tried to sign one of Benoit, Balfour, or Choate and maybe picked up Wheeler option (I think we had an option on him).
Of course, all these moves are if the Rays had the financial power to trade for players with contracts and sign retain guys.
by MrNegative1 on Sep 26, 2011 11:23 AM EDT up reply actions
with an extra $50MM
Beat the Red Sox’s trade offer for Adrian Gonzalez, sign Cliff Lee, win 105 games and pocket the ~20 million or so you have left over.
If this team just had an extra 20-30MM — say, a stable $75MM payroll in 2011 dollars, indexed for inflation — then they could be players in the Pujols/Fielder sweepstakes this coming offsesason. They could keep useful relievers without having to dumpster dive every single offseason. It’d be comically easy to average 90+ wins for the next 5-10 years.
by AndrewTorrez on Sep 26, 2011 11:29 AM EDT up reply actions
I agree on the useful relievers part, but would you add Pujols/Fielder as DH only?
by JaxRaysGirl on Sep 26, 2011 11:34 AM EDT up reply actions
I think even the most ardent Kotch supporters would willingly take Pujols at 1B over Kotchman.
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by Steve Slowinski on Sep 26, 2011 11:37 AM EDT up reply actions
Upgrade at 1B and SS...those are really our two glaring needs.
Although a part of me is glad we didn’t have the money, so we didn’t take a gamble on Adam Dunn.
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by Steve Slowinski on Sep 26, 2011 11:38 AM EDT up reply actions
I'd upgrade at SS, definitely. But the $$$ difference at 1B between Kotch and Pujols makes me cringe.
Yes, Pujols is better than Kotch, but how much better? Is it worth the money when we REALLY need good relievers? I’d spend the money there and on SS. Leave the outfield the way it is, 2B/3B are fine. Maybe figure out how to work out a good catcher situation.
by JaxRaysGirl on Sep 26, 2011 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions
Yes, Pujols is better than Kotch, but how much better?
Um, a lot
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by Imperialism32 on Sep 26, 2011 11:46 AM EDT up reply actions
But is it worth shorting the pen again, and working with less at SS again?
To me, it isn’t. I think we can make playoffs without someone of Pujols caliber, while we have gaping holes in the pen and a need at SS.
by JaxRaysGirl on Sep 26, 2011 11:50 AM EDT up reply actions
Shorting the pen?
It’s not like we’re paying anyone out there big money
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by Imperialism32 on Sep 26, 2011 11:52 AM EDT up reply actions
A league-average bullpen, Brignac/Rodriguez at SS, and Pujols vs. a top-8 bullpen, a league-average SS, and Kotchman?
Not even close, door #1 every time
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by Imperialism32 on Sep 26, 2011 11:54 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, this.
You can get an average bullpen without spending much money. Even just putting a bit more money into it than this year could pay off big.
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by Steve Slowinski on Sep 26, 2011 12:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Holy crap.
Yes, the best players of the past decade is much better than a player that could possibly be out of baseball in a few years.
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by Steve Slowinski on Sep 26, 2011 12:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Obviously even i don't make that comparison, but the original thought on the extra $5- mil and what we could have done is more the question
As Neg says, Hardy and mabe Young, along with resigning some of our relievers and probably not trading Garza does it for me
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We're talking pre-2011 right?
Yeah, largely agree there. Choate alone would be a godsend these days, and that certainly doesn’t break the bank. And being able to trade Niemann/Davis instead of Garza would be pretty nifty…that’s a fun idea.
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by Steve Slowinski on Sep 26, 2011 12:38 PM EDT up reply actions
any player could be out of baseball in a few years.
I could care less about your graduate degree-I was a full professor at Harvard at 34 and am a full professor at Columbia now in a theoretical field whose main tool is statistical mechanics. So can can come down from your high place.
by Buzzy on Sep 24, 2011 4:39 PM EDT up reply actions
I feel like I opened up a can of worms...
and I certainly can’t say that having the payroll flexibility that the Phillies FO has isn’t something to be thankful for but at the same time, it also allows for money to be spent poorly, in my opinion, them resigning Ryan Howard two years before his contract was up at 25 mil a year is going to hurt them. I think it will be seen as one of the worst contracts in baseball in a few years…up there with Vernon Wells.
And I completely agree that if this team had an extra 50 mil, or a steady payroll at 75 mil then this team could hands down be the best team in the AL if everything panned out.
What I love about the Rays FO, and what frustrates me so much about the Phillies FO is that I think the Rays do remarkable thing with drafting and player development where as I feel like Ruben sees that minors as simply as a cabinet that he can raid whenever he wants to make a big splash in the form of a trade. I wish he spent more time and effort on player development but maybe you can’t have both, maybe it has to be one or the other. Seems to me like the Braves have a pretty good system of working within a budget but still spending a decent amount and having a good crop of young players almost year in and year out.
Ed Snider is a crotchety old fuck.
That is all.
Odds that Jeter and/or A-Rod play tonight?
I’m curious. I’d probably sit them (or have them start and maybe have one PA each-then replace them).
Guessing they play but maybe Cano/Grandy get the day off
As they played the whole game last night
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by Imperialism32 on Sep 26, 2011 11:12 AM EDT up reply actions
That would be nice. I think Cano/Grandy are more dangerous than Jeter/A-Rod as of late.
If they sat Cano/Grandy and started Jeter/A-Rod but pulled them after 3 innings or so to rest them and decrease chance of injury, it would be nice.
by JaxRaysGirl on Sep 26, 2011 11:15 AM EDT up reply actions
jeter hasn't been scary good but he hasn't been bad either. It seems like they want to keep playing until post season starts to keep up timing issues or something.
by PreachITBrotha on Sep 26, 2011 11:17 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, I can see them starting and getting in a PA, but I don't see them playing the whole game.
by JaxRaysGirl on Sep 26, 2011 11:21 AM EDT up reply actions
I don't think they'll take them out mid-game
I think it’ll either be day off or full game
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by Imperialism32 on Sep 26, 2011 11:29 AM EDT up reply actions
I was impressed with Wade keeping it together yesterday
That game was a must win and unlike Price he didn’t force bad throws, literally losing the game single handedly.
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Offense scores one run
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by Imperialism32 on Sep 26, 2011 11:27 AM EDT up reply actions
*makes 2 critical throwing errors*
And you’re right, the offense sucked. But you can’t make matters worse.
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Davis definitely impressed me. I kept waiting for the other shoe to drop.
But it was a legit great start. Limited the baserunners, and he even struck out a handful for good measure. That was pretty clutch.
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by Steve Slowinski on Sep 26, 2011 11:36 AM EDT up reply actions
The question is: How much longer can the Rays afford to start Reid Brignac at first base?
.629 OPS over the last 178 PAs.
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by Imperialism32 on Sep 26, 2011 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions
I get the humor
but Reid Brignac OPS is .438…yes .438, let that swirl around between the ears for a few minutes……438…is there enough time to drop to .420 or raise to .469?
.438
.438
WOW, Even Mario Mendoza career low in seasons with over 150 plate appearances was .461.
by MrNegative1 on Sep 26, 2011 12:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, Reid Brignac is the Reid Brignac of shortstop, but the point is that Kotch is playing like the Reid of first base.
Which is not good.
1 for 3 with a walk — that’s all I want right now.
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Here's a September to remember and it's not #11
185/272/293 565 OPS
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Every time I see #11
I remember Toby Harrah…whose name was the same forward and backward and so was his number.
by MrNegative1 on Sep 26, 2011 12:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Who said anything about a cold month?
I’m talking about 178 PAs — nearly two solid months of suck.
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whatever you say
Joe won’t pull him for whatever reason. Doesn’t really matter what he does with the bat, he’ll be parked at first base for the glove. I don’t know why that chaps so many baseball people?
Why not have a solid glove anchor the infield and expect the others who are supposed to hit to carry the offense?
Maddon plays the cards he is dealt and isn’t going to put a non-glove guy at first base even if the non-glove guy could give the lineup a boost.
Offseason target #1 will be a first baseman with power who can also pick it. (Carlos Pena come on home)
by MrNegative1 on Sep 26, 2011 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions
And his bat hasn't been the reason we lost in NY, take a look at his series numbers there
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Eh, another year older
Adjusting back to a pitchers park in the ALE
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by FreeZorilla on Sep 26, 2011 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Hey
If Pena wants to come here and play at a discount to end his career and signs a 1-year deal with a club option on year 2 I’d be all ears.
If he wants to play for 7-10 million again next year….see ya.
He’d still hit 20+ home runs and provide the defense that Joe has come to expect at 1b.
The ball is in Pena’s court as he may get a nice 1 year deal as a fall back plan for the Brewers if they lose Fielder, Cardinals if they lost Pujos, and of course the Cubs.
It won’t happen but if he did tell his agent listen to Rays and get a deal done…defer money, whatever it takes get it done, I’d be happy.
Yea, hard to see him playing for peanuts
He’s done nothing to warrant a small contract on the open market.
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Pena would be nice, but I imagine the Cubs would like at least one more year of him.
Why can’t 25-year-old Russ Canzler be our first baseman of the future? He’s athletic enough to play first, third, and the corner outfield positions, so why can’t he be an average defensive first baseman?
And honestly, I’m really starting to suspect the Kotch defense talking is getting a little out of hand. I am starting to feel like Carlos Pena was better defensively (having watched him all year with the Cubs).
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Why not Canzler?
I suggest the Rays put Canzler on the 25 man if he has a nice spring training. Find a handful of at-bats for him wherever/whenever possible. Let him get a head of steam rolling and see what he’s got. That’s how I would play it.
I don’t know why, but he only played 17 games at 1b in Durham this year. I know he’s played a lot there (401 games) but I still find it odd that he wasn’t active there.
The Rays will let us know their opinion of Russ Canzler (as you know, I am personally a fan) after the season ends when the decision to protect him on the 40 is made or if they let him go and try to sign him to another minor league deal with a spring training invite. Of course, if he stays on the 40 man all winter there is a better than average chance that he breaks with the Rays in 2012 or we see him at some point in 2012.
2011 Worst Month wRC+ by 1B
Cabrera 119
Fielder 116
Gonzalez 115
Pujols 109
Kotchman 95
Votto 87
Tex 74
Konerko 65
Lee 48
Sanchez 42
Pena 34
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by FreeZorilla on Sep 26, 2011 12:58 PM EDT up reply actions
And thanks for the ochita. I just ate lunch and you mention Reid Brignac--ugh
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ochita?
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