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Yankees Probable Dellin Betances: Not As Easy As You Might Think

Note: No official starter for tonight's game has been announced yet, but we wanted to give you some scouting reports beforehand on some of the pitchers you might see tonight. Betances seems like a very likely option for the Yanks.

When Matt Moore helped the Rays to a 4-3 win over the Red Sox back on the 18th, Over The Monster described him as a struggling pitcher with a 9 run ERA. This caused me a raised eyebrow, and apparently also incited the wrath of our very own RaysTheRoof, as the writer appeared to be willfully ignoring the fact that Moore is the best pitching prospect in all of baseball as well as the fifth horseman, arriving early to give Rays' opponents a quick preview of their coming apocalypse. I don't blame the OTM writer, as it can be hard to look your demise square in the eye, but I thought it was important to avoid the same "oversight" myself.

Dellin Betances is *probably* going to start this final, critical game of the regular season, and this is the only impression Rays fans have of him:

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via pitchfx.texasleaguers.com

Betances is a legit prospect, however, and shouldn't be taken lightly.

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Over a six year minor league stint that included elbow surgery in 2009, Betances, now 23,  posted a gaudy 11.6 K/9 rate, and a less appealing 4.3 BB/9. For comparison, both those numbers are significantly better than our own Alex Torres, who looked pretty good saving the season after Niemann tried to throw it away. Unlike Torres, though, he stands a towering 6'8" and 255 pounds.

Betances's fastball sits in the mid 90s, and he can pump it up to 98 mph when he need to. His curveball, which sits just under 85 mph, is an even better pitch, though, and it's what prompted Bryan Cashman to say "He might be our best pitching prospect ever." Jason Parks, of Baseball Prospectus, rated it as the best curve in the minors. Here's some of what he had to say:

There are quite a few high-end curves in the minors, so the talent pool was deep and the decision was difficult. When polled, lefty Matt Moore’s power curve received more votes (it was close), but Betances had more fervent support, with one source calling it "a career-defining pitch."

Betances allegedly has a changeup that's still far less developed than his first two offerings. He didn't throw the change in his previous and only appearance against the Rays.

Let me leave you with this image of his curve, with a 10-12 mph difference from his fastball, dropping a full 27 inches as it flies to the plate. We know he can repeat this graph. Lets hope he also repeats the previous one.

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via pitchfx.texasleaguers.com

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This is one of the reasons why allowing a zillion man roster in Sept (the most important part of the year) is moronic. Why change the rules at the end of the season?

by TallMatt on Sep 28, 2011 11:56 AM EDT reply actions  

True

But if I were a Yankees fan, I’d be pretty exited to see players like this. And without expanded rosters, we’d probably not have gotten to see Torres this year, and maybe not Moore.

I might not be against a limit on expanded rosters, but I’d hate to do away with them.

by Whelk on Sep 28, 2011 12:04 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Love it:
…the writer appeared to be willfully ignoring the fact that Moore is the best pitching prospect in all of baseball as well as the fifth horseman, arriving early to give Rays’ opponents a quick preview of their coming apocalypse

A DRaysBay and FanGraphs writer from Cubs Stats and Twitter @BradleyWoodrum

by BWoodrum on Sep 28, 2011 12:00 PM EDT reply actions  

Betances doesn't really concern me so much.

The Rays seem to do well against guys with control problems.

by mr. maniac on Sep 28, 2011 12:01 PM EDT reply actions  

I agree, but I still worry.

I’ve got images of an effectively wild Daniel Cabrera circa 2008.

Or worse, if he happens to click for a game, you might have a Morrow situation on your hands.

by Whelk on Sep 28, 2011 12:07 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

The Rays I watch

seem to be quite capable of putting up 0-2 runs against most anyone

by TallMatt on Sep 28, 2011 12:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Erm, have you been watching longer than the last few weeks?

Solid LOLfense for a while there.

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by Steve Slowinski on Sep 28, 2011 12:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Tim Beckham homered off him in AAA

Quick call Beckham up

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by Imperialism32 on Sep 28, 2011 12:05 PM EDT reply actions  

How long can he go in an outing?

If the Yanks are only going to keep him to a strict pitch count and pull him after only a couple of innings, it might not be as big an issue.

by News Fedora on Sep 28, 2011 12:06 PM EDT reply actions  

He's at 126 IP right now.

And his previous high was 121, before the surgery. I doubt they push him hard, but I’m not really sure how hard.

by Whelk on Sep 28, 2011 12:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Meanwhile in Baltimore,

Alfredo Simon will be starting against Jon Lester. Simon is a 30-year-old reliever. He has 4.20 xFIP over the last few months, but it does not look like the Sox will lose tonight.

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by BWoodrum on Sep 28, 2011 12:08 PM EDT reply actions  

He's got this

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by Imperialism32 on Sep 28, 2011 12:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Don't doubt the Simon.

Isn’t he the guy that killed someone? Or am I thinking of another Simon?

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by Steve Slowinski on Sep 28, 2011 12:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Uegeth Urbina?

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by Imperialism32 on Sep 28, 2011 12:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

For a long time I thought that was Juan Uribe.

When I found out I was wrong, I felt quite bad for considering him a murderer all that time.

by Whelk on Sep 28, 2011 12:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Simon from Burn Notice?

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by Imperialism32 on Sep 28, 2011 12:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Simon Cowell figuratively kills people

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by Imperialism32 on Sep 28, 2011 12:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ballistics tests cleared him

People were firing guns in the air and someone got shot. It wasn’t his bullet. Guns are wonderul!

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by FreeZorilla on Sep 28, 2011 12:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

well it is him
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#Yankees will start Betances vs. #Rays tonight

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by SRQman on Sep 28, 2011 1:19 PM EDT reply actions  

Don't swing at anything.

Maddon's Mission
Make you want to kill him, then make you want to love him. Sly.

by Jonah Keri on Jun 19, 2010 10:31 PM EDT

by Doug09 on Sep 28, 2011 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

The key is working the count

I know it’s been mentioned in this thread that Betances has “control issues,” but really — this is a guy who walked 15 in 21 innings at AAA, 5 batters per nine innings from AA to AAA, and in his lone MLB appearance couldn’t find the strike zone with a compass and sextant.

It’s absolutely critical that DJ and BJ not go up there looking to hack at strike 1. Heck, this might not be a bad night to give Jennings — who looks like he’s pressing to me — the night off, lead off Fuld and tell him to keep the bat on his teeny little shoulder every time out.

It really is that simple: work the count, make him throw pitches, take walks, and then profit.

by AndrewTorrez on Sep 28, 2011 1:27 PM EDT reply actions  

Jennings can work the count

He’s still been drawing walks despite the bad BA/power

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by Imperialism32 on Sep 28, 2011 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

you won't need to hope on those two teams, anyways

I could care less about your graduate degree-I was a full professor at Harvard at 34 and am a full professor at Columbia now in a theoretical field whose main tool is statistical mechanics. So can can come down from your high place.

by Buzzy on Sep 24, 2011 4:39 PM EDT up reply actions

by pudieron89 on Sep 28, 2011 6:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

what the hell

just about a full lineup for the Yankees tonight. ugh

ROBOT.

by SandalsNoPants on Sep 28, 2011 6:40 PM EDT reply actions  

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