Report: Tampa Bay Rays Agree To Deal With Luke Scott
by Steve Slowinski on Jan 11, 2012 1:32 PM EST
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PrintFirst, Marc Topkin from the Tampa Bay Times reported that the Rays were close to reaching a deal with Luke Scott. Within minutes, we had this update from Dan Connolly at the Baltimore Sun:
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#Oriole Luke Scott & the#Rays have agreed to a one-year deal with a 2013 option, pending physical.
Check one hitter off the offseason "To Do" list. Based on projections alone, Scott has some of the biggest upside of any hitter left on the free agent market (outside Prince Fielder...and Carlos Pena is close). He may be a risky option -- he'll be turning 34 this season and had shoulder surgery last season -- but if healthy, he has the potential to be a big power bat in the middle of the Rays lineup.
Can you imagine what the Rays' lineup could be like if they also sign Carlos Pena? Be still, my heart.
We'll have more on Scott later on, but for now, here's Tommy Rancel's piece about Scott when he was first released by the Orioles. Rancel also made an excellent point on Twitter: Dr. James Andrews was the surgeon that did Scott's shoulder last season and Andrews is the Rays' medical director according to the team's site.
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nice move
if true I wonder what sort of money he gets…5m with a ton of incentives?
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by OneTonneBaby on Jan 11, 2012 1:44 PM EST via Android app reply actions
Around that
or maybe the incentive is the 2013 option vests but that’s not very Rays…
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well, and also, people who aren't morons
by AndrewTorrez on Jan 11, 2012 1:45 PM EST up reply actions
no, I mean that Luke Scott thinks the President wasn't born in this country
and probably that we faked the moon landing, and who knows what else
by AndrewTorrez on Jan 11, 2012 1:47 PM EST up reply actions
He believes in carrying a weapon, too
So let’s be careful what we say about him if he has a bad game.
2012 has to be a better year. Doesn't it?
by maris61 on Jan 11, 2012 1:50 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Hopefully he'll have another 2010, and no one will care
or have to shoot anyone about anything
by AndrewTorrez on Jan 11, 2012 1:52 PM EST up reply actions
quiet, you
or I’ll report you to the Trilateral Commission
by AndrewTorrez on Jan 11, 2012 4:03 PM EST up reply actions
I heard one day he woke up in a bathtub full of ice....
by AndrewTorrez on Jan 11, 2012 4:18 PM EST up reply actions
Surgery was done on 7/26 on his throwing shoulder
Going to presume he’s not going to be seeing time in the OF much
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not sure he plays the OF before the World Series even if his shoulder was 100%
by AndrewTorrez on Jan 11, 2012 1:47 PM EST up reply actions
Range wise, maybe
throwing arm can’t do right field. That kind of surgery really saps your arm strength less than a year back.
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by Jason Collette on Jan 11, 2012 2:06 PM EST up reply actions
Throwing Shoulder
Is what a power hitter is using to turn over the bat head.
by GomesSweetGomes on Jan 11, 2012 1:53 PM EST up reply actions
This is definitely the main reason this deal gives pause
As has been mentioned before, Upton’s shoulder issues serve as a warning. But hopefully he emerges from ST healthy and hitting well and we get the Scott of 08-10. Would be a major addition if it works out.
by raysfaninminnesota on Jan 11, 2012 1:59 PM EST up reply actions
If he returns to that form
Yeah, then we are talking about adding a few wins at (presumably) low cost. But we should also remember that we aren’t replacing black holes in Damon and Kotch (though they may both suck ass this year).
by GomesSweetGomes on Jan 11, 2012 2:06 PM EST up reply actions
True
the best value of this deal will depend contract terms.
by raysfaninminnesota on Jan 11, 2012 2:07 PM EST up reply actions
It definitely has the potential to work, and work well
I’m thinking that a hitter similar in production to 2008 Eric Hinske, and I’m good with it.
by GomesSweetGomes on Jan 11, 2012 2:07 PM EST up reply actions
I think so
Having watched Scott play 1B, I don’t think he plays there on a regular basis for a Joe Maddon team.
by AndrewTorrez on Jan 11, 2012 1:50 PM EST up reply actions
Honestly, I expected Damon back.
Was wondering a lot more about 1B.
Joe and AF seem to of loved Damon who I predict will sign with the Orioles. He’s always killed it in Camden Yards, maybe he wants to call it home this year and he can check another AL East team off his list…
Matt Moore. That is all.
I would comment on the substance of your post
but “seemed to of”? That has to be deliberate, right?? :)
by AndrewTorrez on Jan 11, 2012 1:55 PM EST up reply actions
from Christina Kahrl
Love Luke Scott signing w/ #Rays — why settle for Johnny Damon when you put the H in DH? Should be a nasty heart of the order vs. RHPs
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it was Pie
Boom. Outta Here.
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by Ryan Gilliss on Jan 11, 2012 4:52 PM EST up reply actions
It was both of them
No? Threw banana chips at Pie but didnt he mess with Jones too?
by BJ the Bossman on Jan 11, 2012 5:06 PM EST up reply actions
It was banana chips with Pie...
and Jones defended Pie and Scott’s relationship, because Pie gave it back to Scott just as hard.
Boom. Outta Here.
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by Ryan Gilliss on Jan 11, 2012 5:17 PM EST up reply actions
...
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Hey, it made me laugh
Breaking: Luke Scott to the #Rays pending physical and birth certificate.
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by joeybw on Jan 11, 2012 1:53 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
His mlb.com bio says he was born in DeLand, Fla.
So he’s a Fla. native.
But I don’t know whether to believe that.
2012 has to be a better year. Doesn't it?
better demand to see that certificate
you guys already have enough fakes living in FL.
by raysfaninminnesota on Jan 11, 2012 2:00 PM EST up reply actions
I'm no longer from there
and I’m too lazy to create a new username. Only went to MN for college. That’s the cross I have to carry in life.
by raysfaninminnesota on Jan 11, 2012 2:04 PM EST up reply actions
DeLand HS
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by Jason Collette on Jan 11, 2012 3:43 PM EST up reply actions
also
Scott’s walk up song is “Rock You Like A Hurricane” by the Scorpions, and I don’t care who you are, that song is awesome.
Some NO Saints players and coaches
thought it was inappropriate when the Bucs played it a RJS in the 2006 season against the Saints…
just sayin’. not everyone thinks that song is appropriate at all times.
(full disclosure – I though it was pretty funny…)
Last 3 years, OPS+ for LH hitters
Rk Player OPS+ PA
1 Josh Hamilton 135 1474
2 Shin-Soo Choo 134 1689
3 Carlos Gonzalez 132 1495
4 David Ortiz 130 1838
5 Andre Ethier 128 1821
6 Travis Hafner 126 1213
7 Luke Scott 122 1259
8 Jason Kubel 118 1561
9 Jacoby Ellsbury 117 1503
10 Jay Bruce 116 1624
11 Curtis Granderson 116 1929
12 Bobby Abreu 114 1919
13 Carl Crawford 113 1867
14 Hideki Matsui 113 1663
15 Nick Markakis 112 2136
16 Johnny Damon 111 1886
17 Raul Ibanez 111 1776
18 Garrett Jones 111 1489
19 Jack Cust 110 1307
20 J.D. Drew 110 1371
21 Adam Lind 110 1809
22 Seth Smith 110 1318
23 Ichiro Suzuki 109 2131
24 David DeJesus 107 1527
25 Kosuke Fukudome 104 1635
Rk Player OPS+ PA
26 Chris Coghlan 103 1263
27 Colby Rasmus 103 1580
28 David Murphy 101 1400
29 Denard Span 99 1692
30 Michael Bourn 97 2005
31 Brett Gardner 95 1441
32 Nate McLouth 94 1200
33 Nyjer Morgan 94 1539
34 Gerardo Parra 94 1377
35 Juan Pierre 85 1870
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Generated 1/11/2012.
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And think of the potential of Pena possibly being in there
by raysfaninminnesota on Jan 11, 2012 1:59 PM EST up reply actions
Scott is "excited to be our DH"
Sorry, Johnny.
Probably puts Pena and Magic of Kotch back in play.
Matt Moore. That is all.
Uh oh, did we sign Tebow?
Should be good for some walk off homers…
He said he chose the Rays in part because of their recent success, in part because he grew up in Florida and in part because he prayed about it.
Matt Moore. That is all.
Scotting is the new Tebowing
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by Jason Collette on Jan 11, 2012 2:04 PM EST up reply actions
Which is a homer?
Is it only the D ring which Gomes crushed or is C a homer too? As long as it’s fair, of course.
Matt Moore. That is all.
there's a d ring and it's a homer
Regressing to the mean streets of St. Pete
by stpetelawyer on Jan 11, 2012 4:53 PM EST up reply actions
"Rays were most aggresive?
We were? It’s nice to hear that the few times we do.
Matt Moore. That is all.
it's Luke Scott's mouth moving
but Kirk Cameron writing the script
by AndrewTorrez on Jan 11, 2012 2:12 PM EST up reply actions
guessing AndrewTorrez is not the biggest fan of Jesus?
any way you slice it, nice to see the Rays pick up a guy with god moral character. Guys like Scott, Josh Hamilton, and Ben Zobrist certainly make good leaders in the clubhouse for the young and reckless.
I'll blame the holy spirit for that typo
in all seriousness though, we know he has strong convictions. if he practices what he preaches, he would be out partying and making a fool, but working hard and doing his job. if he’s made a stupid racial comment in the past, i’m sure that doesn’t necessarily characterize him as a whole
so you're saying racism is better than partying?
by AndrewTorrez on Jan 11, 2012 3:49 PM EST up reply actions
you can only put your foot in your mouth twice before you run out of feet
attempting to say clear convictions > none, and that his faith is an upside for the clubhouse
hey, that's your opinion, and there's nothing wrong with having one
I disagree. I’d rather have someone who’s wishy-washy with no clear convictions over someone who’s convictions are appalling. I bet you feel the same way when it comes to someone whose convictions aren’t your own; if the Rays signed, say, Richard Dawkins to be the new strength and conditioning coach.
As to the second half of your statement: I think you’re going to have a hard time making the argument that the Rays clubhouse doesn’t have enough Christianity in it.
But anyway: I doubt we’re going to convince each other at this point. Why not focus on where we agree? I think the Scott signing is a good one; even though he believes demonstrably false things (that Obama was born in Kenya), hey, he can hit the ball really hard, and that’s what a DH is supposed to do.
I’m also a huge Ben Zobrist fan (as almost anyone on this site can attest), and he’s about as Christian as you get.
by AndrewTorrez on Jan 11, 2012 3:58 PM EST up reply actions
Same
I care about what these guys do between the chalk lines, as long as what they do outside of them isn’t affecting their play on the field.
Make no mistake about it, Damon’s clubhouse presence will be missed. I saw its effect this past season a few times and I have new found respect for that train of thought. Key is, who will step up and fill that void? Bringing Pena back could be that.
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by Jason Collette on Jan 11, 2012 4:05 PM EST up reply actions
Everything these players have been working for the last few years (since '08) comes down to this season.
Can you see Upton, Longoria, Shields, Price, and even Farns being the driving force of leadership this upcoming season?
Pena for clubhouse morale is an interesting point
playjoyce said elsewhere we should bring Damon back to be an advisor, if he retires soon, that’d be great.
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On a talent for talent level, love the trade
The off-field crap is WAY too much to ignore. He’s going to have to make every right step in his time here and even that’s never going to be enough for many people.
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by Jason Collette on Nov 27, 2011 6:09 PM PST up actions
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Last thing I want to see here is this story becoming a joke
and then the wrong person(s) picking up on it and painting the place in a bad light.
My emotions on this trade range from befuddlement to outright anger but I’m also a bleeding liberal at heart who believes in second chances for anyone. Unless I’m missing the right stories, what I’ve heard from Lueke on this issue isn’t helping matters.
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by SandalsNoPants on Jan 11, 2012 8:17 PM EST up reply actions
Scott signing was definitely our best FA option
unless we drop $30m on Prince. Thrilled to have a power bat that doesn’t slap at everything like he’s Vlad Guerrero. Johnny was great in September, but i think we are all in accord that Scott’s talent is quite the upgrade.
and it’s fine if we disagree, but Kirk Cameron is always a low blow. There is a positive side to him having faith that shouldn’t be overlooked.
the Kirk Cameron comment was serious
Watch that video, and the stuff Luke Scott is saying is almost word-for-word exactly the stuff Kirk Cameron says, minus the bit about the banana.
Try 0:45 in: “I called myself a christian, but I was doing all the stuff my heathen teammates were doing.”
That’s pretty much exactly the schtick that Kirk Cameron and Ray Comfort are using. (Also, I can’t help wonder how calling Evan Longoria, David Price and B.J. Upton “heathens” is really going to play in the clubhouse.)
Anyway, I really will let it drop now (and you can have the last word if you wish) — I just wanted to clarify that the Kirk Cameron bit wasn’t a cheap shot.
by AndrewTorrez on Jan 11, 2012 4:17 PM EST up reply actions
my friends and I refer to that as "christian-ese"
absurd sounding things like “heathen” are negative words to serve a humorous purpose. I don’t think it’s a wise word choice, but IMHO, I doubt he seriously means all non-christians should be referred to as heathens. That video is loaded with christian vernacular that only makes sense for his intended audience. I can look past that and say he seems like a nice guy.
now his politics, I’m not defending that.
I wouldn't want Josh Hamilton leading ANYBODY unless it was to the best place to buy strippers and blow
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depending on what the figures are on this deal, combined with the aggresive Rodney signing
I wonder if a go for it now mindset is really in place. If that is the case I could see them going strong after a decent 1B in trade, dangling not only Niemann/Davis but also another decent young player like Cobb/Torres or even Beckham/Lee
This
The last time we played the Reds in the Trop, we was absolutely awesome.
Think OF'ers also
I might be starting to believe that Joyce may play 1B this year.
Matt Moore. That is all.
I was just pipe rosterbating, but if Hanley really doesn't want to play 3B
what about BJ and Enny for Hanley, right now they have Chris Coghlan and Scott Cousins battling for CF
If he tries throwing banana chips into B.J.'s helmet...
Upton will kill him.
Sign lady must die.
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by EminenceFront on Jan 11, 2012 2:23 PM EST up reply actions
Baltimore general manager Andy MacPhail sums Scott up simply:
“I’ve met a lot of people in this game who will say the right thing every time,” he says, “but maybe not act in a manner that is the most laudatory. Luke’s the opposite.”
by ZBW on Jan 11, 2012 2:17 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
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by SandalsNoPants on Jan 11, 2012 2:24 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Those two are not comparable
One committed a pretty awful crime, the other says really stupid stuff.
I dont think he's necessarily implying that
by GomesSweetGomes on Jan 11, 2012 2:32 PM EST up reply actions
I'm not
The only way I am comparing the 2 is that they are not exactly fan favorites but they are both talented, especially Luke.
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I just don't think it's really fair to group them together
Besides, it’s Florida, Scott’s politics will play pretty well.
Nobody's politics play well here
We are the state that ousted Crist for being a flip-flopper, elected a true believer to replace him, and now hate that guy too.
by GomesSweetGomes on Jan 11, 2012 2:42 PM EST up reply actions
Crist wasn't ousted - he didn't run for re-election.
Florida is a conservative state and I don’t think that’s really in dispute.
Then I guess you've never heard the term "Swing State"
by GomesSweetGomes on Jan 11, 2012 3:16 PM EST up reply actions
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_party_strength_in_Florida
That’s a lot of red…
Also, its worth noting that unless we are getting tons of Rays fans from places like Escambia, Duval, Levy, Dixie, etc
How “Florida” votes isn’t really what we are talking about.
by GomesSweetGomes on Jan 11, 2012 3:27 PM EST up reply actions
The videos say it all
Counting on people to like scott because of his politics is absurd.
by GomesSweetGomes on Jan 11, 2012 3:29 PM EST up reply actions
I did no such thing.
I said that nobody’s politics play well here. This is Florida. We hate everybody.
by GomesSweetGomes on Jan 11, 2012 3:32 PM EST up reply actions
Indeed
If you are actually taking ‘we hate everybody’ as ‘we will also hate luke scott’ you are going too literal.
by GomesSweetGomes on Jan 11, 2012 3:38 PM EST up reply actions
My point was more the opposite...
“Besides, it’s Florida, Scott’s politics will play pretty well.”
And I think here, as in pretty much everywhere but absolute extreme venues (San Fran comes to mind)
People prefer for their players to just shut their mouths and play ball.
by GomesSweetGomes on Jan 11, 2012 3:42 PM EST up reply actions
Also I think you are correct in viewing Scott's views as being 'outsider'
A complete and fair reading of his public comments could easily lead one to that conclusion…Expecting your average sports fan to go beyond ‘Scott = Birther’ is asking way too much.
by GomesSweetGomes on Jan 11, 2012 3:48 PM EST up reply actions
Well, the team still plays in St. Pete
Which is a hippie commune compared to Tampa
by GomesSweetGomes on Jan 11, 2012 3:54 PM EST up reply actions
Or if you like stats...presidential elections
2008: Blue
2004: Red
2000: Red (and you may have heard some news as to how close it was)
1996: Blue
The recent trend I see is that Florida picks the president. Who they pick has been up for grabs for quite some time.
by GomesSweetGomes on Jan 11, 2012 3:25 PM EST up reply actions
He wasn't found "guilty", necessarily, as they managed to sneak away on a lesser charge.
But yeah, it was a bad, bad situation.
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by Steve Slowinski on Jan 11, 2012 3:17 PM EST up reply actions
He plead guilty to a lesser charge
what was it? false imprisonment with violence instead of rape? Yeah, that’s bad.
Use the force, Lueke
Depends on context though.
Was it playful false imprisonment?
Was it after a Gavin Degraw concert?
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by Hatfield on Jan 11, 2012 7:04 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Technically no contest to the felony of false imprisonment with violence...
which carries with it a finding of guilt. This was after initially telling police he had no contact with the complainant.
Boom. Outta Here.
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by Ryan Gilliss on Jan 11, 2012 9:21 PM EST up reply actions
but you're one'a them jesus-ites!
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I love Jesus but I don't like Luke Scott. So stop dealing in absolutes.
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by nomoredevil on Jan 11, 2012 10:39 PM EST up reply actions
new lineup projection?
1. Jennings – LF
2. Zobrist – 1B
3. Longoria – 3B
4. Scott – DH
5. Upton – CF
6. Joyce – RF
7. Rodriguez – 2B
8. Molina – C
9. Brignac – SS
nope
Zo wont be at 1B. Sean will play SS, Zo will play 2B and Free Agent To Be Named Later takes 1B
Matt Moore. That is all.
Still needs more offense
Love Zobrist as a 2b. His numbers don’t look nearly as great at first, and I cringe at the idea of Reid and Srod both starting. It could be platooned out a bit, but I’m really hoping there is more offense to come.
by GomesSweetGomes on Jan 11, 2012 2:22 PM EST up reply actions
revised:
1. Jennings – LF
2. Zobrist – 2B
3. Longoria – 3B
4. Scott – DH
5. Upton – CF
6. Joyce – RF
7. Kotchman? – 1B
8. Molina – C
9. Rodriguez – SS
flip Scott and Joyce
vs L: Jennings / Upton / Longoria / Zobrist / Rodriguez / Scott / Guyer / 1B / Molina
vs R: Jennings / Zobrist / Longoria / Joyce / Upton / Scott / 1B / Lobaton / Brignac
by AndrewTorrez on Jan 11, 2012 2:25 PM EST up reply actions
Upton was a stud hitting 2nd
Gotta think Joe puts him there, at the very least for the first few weeks and if he takes off, he will keep him there.
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you're probably right
I just like Zobrist batting in the 1st
by AndrewTorrez on Jan 11, 2012 2:27 PM EST up reply actions
depends on the 1B
right now I think the bench looks like this: C (Lobaton/Molina), IF (S-Rod/Brignac), Fuld, and Guyer.
If Joyce moves to 1B and Guyer becomes the everyday RF, that opens up a bench spot for Canzler. If the team acquires a full-time 1B, I think it pushes Canzler back to Durham.
by AndrewTorrez on Jan 11, 2012 3:16 PM EST up reply actions
EJ will be on the roster before Canzler
why carry a back-up who can really only DH, that would be a worse use of a roster spot than Joe whatever the hell his name was
Dillon, and that was in a lost season
and the difference is that the Rays already have 3 guys on the roster who can play SS (Brignac, S-Rod, Zobrist)… is there really any need to carry a 4th?
by AndrewTorrez on Jan 11, 2012 3:21 PM EST up reply actions
when is the last time we saw Zobrist at SS
I’m not saying he can’t play there anymore but if he could I doubt EJ would have been on the roster last year
chicken and egg?
I mean, there was no need for Zobrist to play SS last year because Johnson was on the roster.
I’d have to think that if you have Zobrist’s range at 2B and arm in RF, that’s enough to be the backup backup shortstop. Most teams have one guy who can actually play short, and one utility infielder.
by AndrewTorrez on Jan 11, 2012 3:30 PM EST up reply actions
fwiw I'm not really arguing for EJ as much as I'm against giving Canzler a spot
I’d rather him be in AAA and than if we get an injury at 1B or DH than call him up. I just don’t see Joe using him as a strict PH very often.
how would you see Canzler role though?
an occasional spot start, pinch hit for a C? Because we would have Rodriguez who would pinch hit for SS against a lefty if Briggy is in there. I guess he could pinch hit for Joyce against a LHB and have Fuld come in to replace him but that is about the only situation I could see it happening.
rh dh, rh bench bat
whereas elliot is never starting, he’s the second or third option at 2b/ss who adds nothing off the bench (except speed which fuld already has).
To start the season platoon at DH
This would give Scott a few days off to rest his shoulder early on.
I would guess as of now
1. Jennings LF 2B
2. Zobrist
3. Longo- 3B
4. Scott- DH
5. Upton- CF
6. Joyce- 1B
7. Guyer- RF
8. Molina- C
9. Brignac- SS
I really like Chirno's bat
Can we please find a way to trick him into playing better defense?
Matt Moore. That is all.
Meh
everybody always points to Road OPS. Unless we are talking about a Coors guy or a yankee stadium lefty I’m not convinced it means a whole lot. Camden has been a slight hitters park, and every hitter should in theory drop off a bit playing here.
Its really going to come down to health.
by GomesSweetGomes on Jan 11, 2012 2:26 PM EST up reply actions
This makes me think the guaranteed money is low
But I would want those incentives reached anyway
Luke Scott confirmed to Marc Topkin of the St. Petersburg Times that he has agreed to a one-year contract with the Rays which includes a club option for 2013.
The dollar amount isn’t yet known, but Scott said that the contract includes some incentives.
Matt Moore. That is all.
Add konerko
And our lineup becomes very dangerous. Thats 7 out of 9 guys capable of hitting 20+ (deezy did hit over 20 combined last season not to mention a couple in playoffs) and srod is capable of 15 bombs
by BossmanJunior333 on Jan 11, 2012 2:26 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Your talking about a 2.1 point differential in UZR. Isn't that like a 2 out differential per play?
Not sure what that translates to in runs, but Kotchman and Konerko’s WAR values are really similar. Pena is actually lower than both for last year
CWS have to pick up the deferred payments
and maybe some of his 2012 salary. But yeah.
by AndrewTorrez on Jan 11, 2012 2:51 PM EST up reply actions
There are some reasons to think Scott won't be quite as powerful in the Trop as he was at Camden.
But still, I love this…good buy low with an option for next year if things pan out. And any sort of power will be a welcome addition to this offense, so that’s exciting.
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by Steve Slowinski on Jan 11, 2012 2:32 PM EST reply actions
Looked at 2010 batted ball data
He would have had a net loss of 1 home run had he been hitting at Trop for home games
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by Jason Collette on Jan 11, 2012 2:34 PM EST up reply actions
I looked at it over at fg.
The lack of power outside Camden is weird…not sure what to make of that. And he’d have lost a lot more HRs in 2009, fwiw.
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by Steve Slowinski on Jan 11, 2012 2:42 PM EST up reply actions
Love the move
Sorry to see JD go but this team needed more power. If they bring Los back I will be thrilled. It will be nice to roll into Yankee stadium with Joyce, Scott, Los and Zobrist gunning for the short porch.
I"m done making Ruggiano predictions
amirite, Sterny?
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by Jason Collette on Jan 11, 2012 2:39 PM EST up reply actions
I forgot (!) about Ruggiano
also old friend Nevin Ashley
by AndrewTorrez on Jan 11, 2012 2:40 PM EST up reply actions
Suarez seems the most likely right now to me.
Nobody is going to claim him off waivers with the minimal playing time he’s had,despite any upside potential.
I'm thinking Ashley unless a trade gets done before Scott needs to be offically placed on the roster
But a lot of teams would be looking to add a back-up catcher to their roster.
Too likely to get grabbed IMO, so Rays won’t want to risk that.
the problem is we have 4/5 back-up catchers right now that are argueably MLB ready
with Lobaton, Chirinos, Ashley, and Vogt (can he still catch) along with Molina all on the 40 man.
yeah, Ashley has value in the abstract
but I can’t see where he’s ever going to play for the Rays unless there’s some sort of cholera outbreak in Spring Training.
by AndrewTorrez on Jan 11, 2012 2:48 PM EST up reply actions
I agree there's an apparent excess in back-up catchers, but there's value in it.
I’m looking at it from the expectancy of who would be claimed and who the Rays think they could still retain depsite removing from the 40-man roster. Either way, I think the Rays are most likely to remove in this order.
1) Suarez
2) Ruggiano
3) Ashley
4) E.J.
Shawn Riggans, Mike Difelice, Michel Hernandez
We’ve carried some clunkers before on our active roster. I see them all being held.
by GomesSweetGomes on Jan 11, 2012 2:48 PM EST up reply actions
ah, if only Riggans hadn't been made out of that movie-prop insta-shatter glass
by AndrewTorrez on Jan 11, 2012 2:52 PM EST up reply actions
dammit I knew there was another reason I didn't like Rodney
I had forgotten about that
Use the force, Lueke
Neimann and Ruggiano for Konerko
DO IT
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by joeybw on Jan 11, 2012 2:44 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Ruggiano
He’s still here? I suspect there must have been some sort of ‘payroll glitch’ ala Office Space.
by GomesSweetGomes on Jan 11, 2012 2:40 PM EST up reply actions
ugh
Jon Heyman @JonHeymanCBS 1m
#reds and #rays are in on ryan theriot, a versatile infielder with a excellent bat. #astros also have some interest
I don't get that at ALL
Theriot is essentially 70% of Sean Rodriguez. Only Jon Heyman could call a guy with a career 83 OPS+ “an excellent bat.”
by AndrewTorrez on Jan 11, 2012 2:50 PM EST up reply actions
Srod is going to be a solid 3B for someone someday
fortunately we got that position covered for a bit
He is in no way a starter and should stay the hell away from SS
but he got a lot of clutch hits off the bench for the Cards and he was the hardest guy in the NL to strikeout. I take him over Elliot any day which is sadly, probably the battle.
They will want Guyer to start, not sit on a bench.
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Sarcasm aside, the lack of strikeouts could actually mean an awful lot coming off the bench
by GomesSweetGomes on Jan 11, 2012 2:53 PM EST up reply actions
they already have Sam Fuld as the contact guy
by AndrewTorrez on Jan 11, 2012 3:01 PM EST up reply actions
I'm assuming fuld will be platooning
meaning he’d be starting a lot of the games theriot was on the bench, and that they’d be like Bruce Wayne and Batman in terms of their playing time.
However, that one attribute aside, theriot is garbage.
by GomesSweetGomes on Jan 11, 2012 3:19 PM EST up reply actions
Why would Fuld ever have more than a bench spot as a defensive replacement and pinch hitter, barring injury?
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by SandalsNoPants on Jan 11, 2012 3:26 PM EST up reply actions
Replace 'Fuld' with 'Gross' or 'Kapler'
I can see many scenarios in which Fuld gets 250 or more AB’s, and not all of them break significantly with recent history.
by GomesSweetGomes on Jan 11, 2012 3:35 PM EST up reply actions
The Gabes were something this team suffered through.
I’d rather not repeat that.
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by SandalsNoPants on Jan 11, 2012 3:40 PM EST up reply actions
Well if you're counting on Guyer starting the year with the big club
Im just saying…I wouldn’t.
by GomesSweetGomes on Jan 11, 2012 3:45 PM EST up reply actions
Why aren't you?
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by SandalsNoPants on Jan 11, 2012 3:47 PM EST up reply actions
I'd like to see it
But recent history suggests I won’t. Sorry, the Rays are careful/stingy/conservative/shrewd/etc. when it comes to service time. Love it or hate it, it is what it is.
by GomesSweetGomes on Jan 11, 2012 3:50 PM EST up reply actions
Do you realize how old Guyer is already?
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by SandalsNoPants on Jan 11, 2012 3:53 PM EST up reply actions
Yes, but service time is still service time
Not to mention they may also develop their players slowly for other reasons
by GomesSweetGomes on Jan 11, 2012 3:56 PM EST up reply actions
Again, if I were running the Rays I'd throw Guyer out there
But I’m not. All I can look to is what the Rays have done in situations like this. And their history suggests they can and will be conservative with his playing time.
by GomesSweetGomes on Jan 11, 2012 3:59 PM EST up reply actions
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by Steve Slowinski on Jan 11, 2012 3:50 PM EST up reply actions
Wow, 2.8 wins in 670 PA
I didn’t know that
by benderbrodriguez on Jan 11, 2012 3:51 PM EST up reply actions
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by Jason Collette on Jan 11, 2012 4:00 PM EST up reply actions
Because he's career better than league average against RHP with ++ defense?
by benderbrodriguez on Jan 11, 2012 3:36 PM EST up reply actions
The only season he's better than league average against righties is 2009.
Career averages are not always the best way to view things.
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by SandalsNoPants on Jan 11, 2012 3:41 PM EST up reply actions
Last year he was league average on the dot against them
League average offense and ++ defense make a good platoon player
by benderbrodriguez on Jan 11, 2012 3:49 PM EST up reply actions
Does it on this team?
Who will he platoon with?
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by SandalsNoPants on Jan 11, 2012 3:55 PM EST up reply actions
Good Defense and Pitching are peas and carrots
by GomesSweetGomes on Jan 11, 2012 4:01 PM EST up reply actions
huh?
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by SandalsNoPants on Jan 11, 2012 4:18 PM EST up reply actions
only way that works with roster space is if Joyce moves to 1B
and even then, I’d think the Rays would carry Canzler to platoon at DH with Luke Scott over another utility infielder.
by AndrewTorrez on Jan 11, 2012 2:54 PM EST up reply actions
Brignac: New year, new start new team?
by GomesSweetGomes on Jan 11, 2012 2:55 PM EST up reply actions
I'm already on record
as saying Brignac puts up a 95 wRC+ with Gold Glove-level defense in 450-ish PA this year. S-Rod plays versus lefties and continues to mash the ever-lovin’ snot out of them.
by AndrewTorrez on Jan 11, 2012 2:58 PM EST up reply actions
I hope not
We all know how much Brignac cares about the team and he’s probably trying to fix that swing all off season. If he does, with his defense, he’s quite valuable.
Matt Moore. That is all.
Yes, this is cherry -picking, but Theriot's brutal in the field
I have a passing interest in the Cardinals and have witnessed a lot of these plays. So many of them are just embarrassing. Link is from redreporter.com
by Win-cicum on Jan 11, 2012 8:07 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
haha he didn't spend that much time playing SS in STL
That was a LOT of plays. I wouldn’t call it cherrypicking. That was really entertaining.
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by SandalsNoPants on Jan 11, 2012 8:15 PM EST up reply actions
This is doable, KW, needs to eat some of 2012 but 2013 works out the way they did it.
Paul Konerko
3 years/$37.5M (2011-13)
re-signed by Chicago White Sox as a free agent 12/8/10
11:$12M, 12:$12M, 13:$13.5M
$7M of 2013 salary deferred, paid in $1M installments 2014-20
Matt Moore. That is all.
yeah, if CWS pick up those deferred payments it can work
by AndrewTorrez on Jan 11, 2012 2:54 PM EST up reply actions
I think you're going to be on your knees for a while.
His defense sucks and his bat doesn’t really make up for it for that kind of money. Unless there really is a protection phenomenon (which has been vehemently opposed here)….
Okay, Friedman, I love Scott
but I will be pissed if you were counting Theroit when you said “2 bats”
Matt Moore. That is all.
Both still are
That was just a arby signing. I don’t see us getting either one though.
Matt Moore. That is all.
He wasnt a fa, just arb eligible
Both are still in play same amount they were before
by BossmanJunior333 on Jan 11, 2012 3:31 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Rays have to make a trade now, right?
I mean, know they dont have to technically. Doesnt it make sense now that they will acquire a 1b via trade for a sp? Sure they could sign pena and then trade a sp for prospects, but I dont think thats likely.
by BossmanJunior333 on Jan 11, 2012 3:23 PM EST via mobile reply actions
I want Konerko for one of the SP's
They would have to send cash also though.
Matt Moore. That is all.
MLBTR is suggesting Prince Fielder on a 1/30 deal and wait for the market to reset in 2013
by AndrewTorrez on Jan 11, 2012 3:26 PM EST up reply actions
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by Steve Slowinski on Jan 11, 2012 3:27 PM EST up reply actions
I still think that is too much
What would our payroll be with that number? $60-70million?
Depending on what Scott gets...
More like $70-80m.
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by Steve Slowinski on Jan 11, 2012 3:30 PM EST up reply actions
it's a win/win
if you sign Fielder, take the payroll to the mid-70s and STILL can’t draw >20K per game, that’s pretty much conclusive evidence to give to Selig to intervene and fix the Rays stadium issues.
OTOH, if signing Fielder drives attendance north of 20K, he probably pays for himself even at $30MM per year.
by AndrewTorrez on Jan 11, 2012 3:32 PM EST up reply actions
Good points. Steve, Jason please put a moratorium on any further Fielder conversation
“You do not talk about fight club”
I blame Jonah for this
He went on with Toby and said Rays have the money and should do it because they’ll make money.
Damn Canadians…
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by Jason Collette on Jan 11, 2012 3:42 PM EST up reply actions
I think there's already evidence for Selig to intervene.
From Stu’s recent comments, it makes it sound like he wants to, but they’re trying to hold MLB off for now.
That’d be a pretty massive payroll…I’d love to see it happen and I think it could make the Rays the favorites in the East, but I just dunno how realistic it is.
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by Steve Slowinski on Jan 11, 2012 3:36 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, but times have changed since 2009.
Back then, they were still operating under the assumption that wins would put people in the seats. Their reality/projections for revenue has surely changed.
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by Steve Slowinski on Jan 11, 2012 3:39 PM EST up reply actions
I guess it boils down to: if they can afford it, they should do it.
I just don’t think they can afford that much.
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by Steve Slowinski on Jan 11, 2012 3:41 PM EST up reply actions
in both 2010 and 2011, the Rays entered the season
picked 3rd by most mainstream sportswriters — 4th by some idiots. I would think there’s a difference entering the season as the clear-cut favorites to win the division.
by AndrewTorrez on Jan 11, 2012 3:41 PM EST up reply actions
True, but maybe Selig told Stu that he needed to acquire a star player and see how it goes.
Then he might intervene.
Longoria, Price
These guys aren’t enough?
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by SandalsNoPants on Jan 11, 2012 3:44 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Home grown versus an acquired national star
Just a thought
It still doesn't have a chance in hell unless Prince pulls a Madson
1 year or forget it.
Even at 1 year, we gotta defer the heck out of it.
Matt Moore. That is all.
Guessing you don't buy it?
How do you explain those leaked financial docs?
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by Steve Slowinski on Jan 11, 2012 3:51 PM EST up reply actions
not just wins = attendance, but enthusiasm about expected wins
that’s what leads to advance sales in the form of season tickets, etc. In 2010 and 2011 the buzz was that the Rays were a “good, but…” team. We might see a different impact if the offseason buzz is “Rays are favorites to win the AL East.”
We might not. Those financials are terrible, and non-sellouts in the playoffs was pretty damning. But it’s possible.
by AndrewTorrez on Jan 11, 2012 3:53 PM EST up reply actions
considering how many people didn't spend money on bucs games
I wouldn’t be surprised to see Rays ticket sales go up quite a bit.
Not when "but the economy" is still a valid excuse
While people make more money now than they did in 2007 barring people who rode the construction or mortgage wave.
@RealNolenBailey
As someone who worked in the Rays ticket sales department
I am going to disagree with you. The Rays fan base (and Tampa Bay as a whole) is beyond apathetic. They don’t care and there is no “I can’t miss this in the future!” feeling. Ticket sales are shit until we make the playoffs in which case everyone wants a piece. It’s an absolute joke and I don’t think signing Fielder changes that. We have been one of the 3 or 4 best teams of the last 4 years and it changes no ones mind. Everyone knows that IF we do make the playoffs, they will just get tickets then. There is no reason to be loyal etc.
by BJ the Bossman on Jan 11, 2012 4:59 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
And just to clarify
this is NO fault of the Rays. They do everything in their power to draw a crowd. On top of that, I am someone that was born and raised in St Pete and love the Bucs, Rays, and Lightning but fax is fax
by BJ the Bossman on Jan 11, 2012 5:01 PM EST up reply actions
the name of the game is to lose money on the books. in any business.
ive said it before, but payments on debt taken as losses is a huge part of them “barely making money.” sports teams make money in increasing their value not profit streams. just because you didnt have an accounting profit didnt mean you lost money.
Yeah, we've been down this road before.
You’re going to need to spell it out in a more detailed post before you convince me, I guess. I’d love to see some estimates on how much money the Rays are taking in/spending based on the publicly available info we have….I think we could get a decent ballpark estimate. That recent post on Amazin’ Avenue seems like a good model, although things would be simpler because the Rays aren’t dying like the Mets.
You’re probably right, but I want to see it for myself first.
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by Steve Slowinski on Jan 11, 2012 3:58 PM EST up reply actions
Stu's comments are likely posturing to appear like a "good guy" vs Foster
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by Steve Slowinski on Jan 11, 2012 11:00 PM EST up reply actions
Nats, Mariners and Rangers all seem to be saying no to Fielder
I say the Marlins sign him and trade Gaby. I wish it was Morrison but it would be Gaby.
Matt Moore. That is all.
YESSSSSSSSS
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by SandalsNoPants on Dec 29, 2011 11:32 AM EST upreply Rec Flag
I just like the fact we signed somebody.
If Friedman likes it, I like it.
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by sc_monsta1015 on Jan 11, 2012 3:28 PM EST up reply actions
It just stinks I got the news 2 hours later.
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by sc_monsta1015 on Jan 11, 2012 3:27 PM EST up reply actions
I'm excited to have a DH that has the talent to actually be a pretty good one.
Looks like Nitro is gone though and that is a little sad.
Most likely
Outside chance that Rays put Scott at 1B considering how cheap they can get Damon though….
Matt Moore. That is all.
Upgrade in power, downgrade in speed (Damon).
I don’t mind, I like the signing.
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by SandalsNoPants on Dec 29, 2011 11:32 AM EST upreply Rec Flag
And that speed is getting really old anyways
by GomesSweetGomes on Jan 11, 2012 3:41 PM EST up reply actions
Well, the hustle doesn't.
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by sc_monsta1015 on Jan 11, 2012 3:44 PM EST up reply actions
Might not miss him too much
I think you will see him a lot since I think he will go to Baltimore.
Matt Moore. That is all.
I agree.
Doubt he will destroy us though…
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by sc_monsta1015 on Jan 11, 2012 3:47 PM EST up reply actions
that will just be sad
but hey, I saw him sign plenty of Red Sox/Yankees gear while he was with the Rays last year, so I’m guessing he’ll be happy to say hi to old Rays fans while he’s with the O’s.
by AndrewTorrez on Jan 11, 2012 3:50 PM EST up reply actions
It's just, he's always unleashed the inner beast or whats left of it at Camden
He would have a great year if it was his new home.
Matt Moore. That is all.
Damon has spent the last 11 years on contending teams
(if you give him credit for the ‘10 Tigers, who were supposed to contend). Sending him off to a team that’s headed for 100 losses is just sad; it’s like going back to Kansas City only minus the nostalgia.
by AndrewTorrez on Jan 11, 2012 4:02 PM EST up reply actions
Of course, the small chance remains that Scott plays 1B
And Damon comes back. I don’t think so, I see Joyce at 1B before Scott but Joe did love Damon.
Matt Moore. That is all.
I'm going to miss the Damon flop swing
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by Jason Collette on Jan 11, 2012 3:45 PM EST up reply actions
That's what I will miss the most.
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by sc_monsta1015 on Jan 11, 2012 3:45 PM EST up reply actions
Clearly, the next move is sign Cespedes, put him in RF,
and Joyce our DH.
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by SandalsNoPants on Dec 29, 2011 11:32 AM EST upreply Rec Flag
Fernando Martinez was put on waviers
Rather have him, considering the price difference, than Cespedes.
haha, I'd rather have neither, if that makes sense.
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by sc_monsta1015 on Jan 11, 2012 3:57 PM EST up reply actions
So far, I say we have upgraded
Damon -—→ Scott
Shoppach -——> Molina
Jaso -——→ Lobaton/Chirinos
Sonny -——> Badenhop
Cruz -—→ Rodney
Kotchman -—→ ????
And I’m sure Leuke will fill a hole somewhere.
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That joke is never going to get old.
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Somewhere in Bakersfield there is a girl disagreeing with you....
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2 moves left, sign Los and swing Davis to the pen
I agree with Steve’s footnote here. http://www.draysbay.com/2011/12/6/2612993/what-to-do-with-wade-davis
Why not move Davis to the back of the pen? If he brings it at 95-96 he could be a real weapon.
Davis or Neimann to the pen sounded nice and then we signed Rodney
still don’t know why.
Matt Moore. That is all.
Sign Los, trade Davis for any good minor league 1B.
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by sc_monsta1015 on Jan 11, 2012 3:58 PM EST up reply actions
I would trade either of the starters for Yelich...
If it were to take more than that I’d still be all for it. Yelich would instantly give us an impact bat in our system.
by Snarfalicious on Jan 11, 2012 3:59 PM EST up reply actions
He's incredible and the Marlins don't care about prospects
But they also have this fantasy that Zambrano has filled out the rotation. Yeah, until he’s suspended again.
Matt Moore. That is all.
I guess that's what it boils down to...
I’m just a huge fan of Yelich and believe he’d be an awesome way to build for the future.
by Snarfalicious on Jan 11, 2012 4:04 PM EST up reply actions
From the Marlins, he would come cheaper also
They do not care about their farm system. One of the reasons that it’s pretty empty I guess. But they are fine with injury prone Johnson and Sanchez and insane Zambrano.
Matt Moore. That is all.
Why would the Marlins want Davis/Niemann at this point?
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by sc_monsta1015 on Jan 11, 2012 4:01 PM EST up reply actions
I would absolutly trade Davis for Trumbo.
2 problems: I don’t see them trading Trumbo, and if they did, it would cost more.
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by sc_monsta1015 on Jan 11, 2012 4:03 PM EST up reply actions
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by SandalsNoPants on Jan 11, 2012 4:17 PM EST up reply actions
whooosh
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So, still no idea of the numbers in the deal, $-wise?
I’m already thinking Carlos Pena…
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by SandalsNoPants on Dec 29, 2011 11:32 AM EST upreply Rec Flag
right...
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by sc_monsta1015 on Jan 11, 2012 4:14 PM EST up reply actions
Probably common speculation.
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by sc_monsta1015 on Jan 11, 2012 4:17 PM EST up reply actions
It'd have been so nice to see this website which prides itself
on progressive statistical analysis breakdown the Luke Scott signing on a purely baseball aspect rather than the garbage i’ve read above from many posters
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by SandalsNoPants on Jan 11, 2012 4:53 PM EST up reply actions
I did it for you over at FG, sterny.
Link. My time can only be split in so many directions at once.
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by Steve Slowinski on Jan 11, 2012 4:42 PM EST up reply actions
Theriot still getting attention from us
I just don’t get that unless we are trying to pull of some kind of trade, involving, SRod/Brignac.
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by SandalsNoPants on Dec 29, 2011 11:32 AM EST upreply Rec Flag
Any idea on how Trumbo has played in the Trop?
How about Scott? I distinctly remember him killing us a few times.
by playjoyce on Jan 11, 2012 4:20 PM EST via mobile reply actions
0 for 18 last season but was playing hurt
Over the last 3 years, Scott has more homers against the Rays than any other team.
Matt Moore. That is all.
Next move
I would trade for konerko/Ike Davis/Duda and trade for Conger/Torrealba… And call it a day
by BossmanJunior333 on Jan 11, 2012 4:21 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Conger's defense
Is horrible. Ike Davis would be awesome but impossible. I really wish we somehow get Konerko even without Sox eating some of his salary. Duda sounds great as well. I just hope we can give 200+ ABs to Canzler as he had the highest OPS+ of all minor league baseball and still 25.
by Patrick Relano Kim on Jan 11, 2012 4:24 PM EST up reply actions
I hope Conger and Chirinos could benefit from having Molina on the team.
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by Jason Collette on Dec 29, 2011 11:31 AM EST upreplyactions
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by SandalsNoPants on Dec 29, 2011 11:32 AM EST upreply Rec Flag
by sc_monsta1015 on Jan 11, 2012 4:26 PM EST up reply actions
If you mean defense only catchers
Conger didn’t really improve with Mathis.
Matt Moore. That is all.
Conger's throwing arm
is as bad as Damon’s. Look at his 18% CS. Having him our C, We will get hammered by Rangers all day.
by Patrick Relano Kim on Jan 11, 2012 4:29 PM EST up reply actions
Are you sure?
I could of sworn his arm is crazy strong, his problem is accuracy.
Matt Moore. That is all.
I was wrong
but I don’t think his accuracy is fixable as he spent 6 seasons in minor but still could not fix it. He is basically Montero with lesser bat.
by Patrick Relano Kim on Jan 11, 2012 4:32 PM EST up reply actions
Well, would he be a downgrade from Lobaton?
Conger still has plenty of potential both offensively and defensively, I think.
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by Jason Collette on Dec 29, 2011 11:31 AM EST upreplyactions
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by SandalsNoPants on Dec 29, 2011 11:32 AM EST upreply Rec Flag
by sc_monsta1015 on Jan 11, 2012 4:31 PM EST up reply actions
He still has potential
And that’s why Angels will not give him up for bag of baseballs and giving up assets to get him doesn’t make sense regarding his horrible CS%, for same reason Jaso got traded for Rapist.
by Patrick Relano Kim on Jan 11, 2012 4:35 PM EST up reply actions
I think they would be interested in Dane De La Rosa.
They’ve shown interest in back-of-the-bullpen relievers.
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by Jason Collette on Dec 29, 2011 11:31 AM EST upreplyactions
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by SandalsNoPants on Dec 29, 2011 11:32 AM EST upreply Rec Flag
by sc_monsta1015 on Jan 11, 2012 4:37 PM EST up reply actions
They would want
McGee instead of DDLR. I would do it in a nano second if it only requires DDLR but last time I hear there is no more Tony Reagins.
by Patrick Relano Kim on Jan 11, 2012 4:55 PM EST up reply actions
Davis for Duda, DDLR and Cole-Fig for Conger.
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by Jason Collette on Dec 29, 2011 11:31 AM EST upreplyactions
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by SandalsNoPants on Dec 29, 2011 11:32 AM EST upreply Rec Flag
by sc_monsta1015 on Jan 11, 2012 4:24 PM EST up reply actions
Then trade Lobaton for Shelley Duncan.
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by Jason Collette on Dec 29, 2011 11:31 AM EST upreplyactions
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by SandalsNoPants on Dec 29, 2011 11:32 AM EST upreply Rec Flag
by sc_monsta1015 on Jan 11, 2012 4:25 PM EST up reply actions
Wow--I didn't realize the Reds are only paying $8.5M for Madson.
I wonder if that was ever an option for us, and spend small money on 1B/DH.
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by Jason Collette on Dec 29, 2011 11:31 AM EST upreplyactions
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by SandalsNoPants on Dec 29, 2011 11:32 AM EST upreply Rec Flag
If we spent our budget on a RP instead of a hitter, hopefully 2 hitters
This board would not be a happy place.
However, that did feel like a Rafael Soriano 2.0 opportunity.
Matt Moore. That is all.
Still no dollar figure yet?
I want to know the number!
by Patrick Relano Kim on Jan 11, 2012 4:36 PM EST reply actions
69
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by SandalsNoPants on Dec 29, 2011 11:32 AM EST upreply Rec Flag
by sc_monsta1015 on Jan 11, 2012 4:37 PM EST up reply actions
So, everyone, predict the next significant move the Rays make.
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by SandalsNoPants on Dec 29, 2011 11:32 AM EST upreply Rec Flag
Carlos Pena
Feel free to dream about Fielder though, I’m sure I will until he signs elsewhere.
Matt Moore. That is all.
I'll go with Pena as well.
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by Jason Collette on Dec 29, 2011 11:31 AM EST upreplyactions
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by SandalsNoPants on Dec 29, 2011 11:32 AM EST upreply Rec Flag
by sc_monsta1015 on Jan 11, 2012 4:40 PM EST up reply actions
I think 1B is filled via trade
Konerko or duda
by BossmanJunior333 on Jan 11, 2012 4:53 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Is there any interest in LaPorta?
I still think there’s an upside for a guy with less than 500 AAA ABs
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Welp, he'd be cheap.
The Indians don’t agree with you and want a 1B as bad as us.
Matt Moore. That is all.
With Santana probably moving to first
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by Jason Collette on Dec 29, 2011 11:31 AM EST upreplyactions
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by SandalsNoPants on Dec 29, 2011 11:32 AM EST upreply Rec Flag
by sc_monsta1015 on Jan 11, 2012 4:41 PM EST up reply actions
SHELLEY!!!!!!
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by SandalsNoPants on Dec 29, 2011 11:32 AM EST upreply Rec Flag
by sc_monsta1015 on Jan 11, 2012 4:39 PM EST up reply actions
Yessir, I think we sign Pena, and Duncan is a righty bench player we could use.
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by SandalsNoPants on Dec 29, 2011 11:32 AM EST upreply Rec Flag
by sc_monsta1015 on Jan 11, 2012 4:42 PM EST up reply actions
Aki will always hold a special place in my heart.
But that is one guy I certainly do not miss.
@RealNolenBailey
I love Aki
He led us to Soriano which led to a great season and then Mike Mahtook
Matt Moore. That is all.
One of the prettiest swings I've ever seen...
Oh wait
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by Jason Collette on Dec 29, 2011 11:31 AM EST upreplyactions
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by SandalsNoPants on Dec 29, 2011 11:32 AM EST upreply Rec Flag
by sc_monsta1015 on Jan 11, 2012 4:47 PM EST up reply actions
Kind of funny
I bat lefty and have modeled my softball swing after his. Its really an awesome approach and thing of beauty*
*Due solely to the fact that reaction time is not an issue in softball, and the extra step towards first has added value on a smaller field. I have no effin clue how he ever made contact against real pitching.
by GomesSweetGomes on Jan 11, 2012 5:02 PM EST up reply actions
I don't know how he made contact either, but he did.
And I do miss watching him beat the pitcher to first.
I wonder if this Scott move could make Guyer expendable.
Thoughts?
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by SandalsNoPants on Dec 29, 2011 11:32 AM EST upreply Rec Flag
No way.
Rays view him future regular OF as other teams look at him AAAA/4th OF.
by Patrick Relano Kim on Jan 11, 2012 4:52 PM EST up reply actions
I think we value guyer much more than other teams
And its Scott’s throwing arm that got hurt, so unless they are looking at him to play 1b it is way too risky.
by GomesSweetGomes on Jan 11, 2012 5:04 PM EST up reply actions
What about torrealba
I understand the conger hate, but from what ive read, torrealba is frustrated being a back up and could be an option.
didnt lobaton and chirinos both get injured this winter?
by BossmanJunior333 on Jan 11, 2012 5:01 PM EST via mobile reply actions
He's a risk in a different way
He got into it with an ump in Venezuela and might still be suspended.
Matt Moore. That is all.
I thought he'd only be suspended in that country.
Speaking of suspensions, what’s going on with the Braun case?
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by SandalsNoPants on Jan 11, 2012 5:36 PM EST up reply actions
Ryan Madson signing should break the pitching barrier that Boras has built
Not much there, just Jackson and Oswalt, I guess Kuroda also can now sign which should set up desperate teams for Davis and Neimann.
Matt Moore. That is all.
Geovany Soto, anyone?
Cubs in rebuilding process, Soto is 28 who just had career low year. They have C prospects ready to contribute in a year or two. Bill James predicts him having .252 .345 .450 next season and at worst, he would still manage .700~.750 OPS. His defense is not good but not that horrible neither.
His price would not be expensive as he’s getting expensive and Cubs don’t need him that much. He is projected to earn 3.5m~4.0m for 2012. I would give up Dietrich and Barnese for Soto while Cubs eating like 2m.
by Patrick Relano Kim on Jan 11, 2012 5:20 PM EST reply actions
More on Soto
2008: All star year (OPS .868)
2009: Struggled (OPS .704)
2010: All star year (OPS .890)
2011: Career low (OPS .721)
Maybe he would have another all star year in 2012?
by Patrick Relano Kim on Jan 11, 2012 5:23 PM EST up reply actions
How are they going to sell him high?
Two more seasons then Soto will be FA and will not earn Cubs first round picks. Even if Soto rebounds, he would be expensive and only 1 more year to hit FA.
by Patrick Relano Kim on Jan 11, 2012 6:22 PM EST up reply actions
I'm a bit ambivalent on this one
It’s a medium-risk high-reward move a la Troy Percival. There’s a not insignificant chance he just stinks from here on out, wastes a roster spot for half a season and we have to pay him a full year. There’s also not an insignificant chance he fully recovers, plays like he did in 2009-2010 and we got a steal. For what we were able to do, it’s about as good of a move we could have made on the free agent market (although a little part of me would still prefer Matt Murton), but I still feel like there’s a better trade to be made out there where we’ve been just a bit too reluctant to part with guys who would have greater value to a different team than they do to this one.
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"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
It's been a while
But the last two years in Japan all he’s done is be one of the top 5 hitters in the league. He seems to have changed his approach, and he’s hit his prime, and it’s been a long time since he’s had a chance to get consistent major league at bats. He’s probably even riskier than Scott, but probably would have costed less with higher potential upside and he hits from the side where we need more help.
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by Brickhaus on Jan 12, 2012 9:30 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
I think the next move will be to add the 1st baseman but it almost certainly will have to be a RH hitting guy.
There is slim to no chance that AF wants to go into the season with two potential DH’s who cannot hit lefties and whether you want to believe it or not that is exactly the risk with Scott and those calling for Joyce. The same goes for the option of Joyce playing 1st base on a regular basis. The likelihood than is that he acquires a 1st baseman who can play full time as a RH’ed bat in this line-up. That makes for much easier Maddon match-ups and flexibility from game to game.
That way with a tough lefty pitching, he can sit one of Joyce/Scott, have at least a good RH bat to man 1st base. It means Zobrist can play RF, with S-Rod at 2nd and take their chance with Brignac at SS(or Johnson or another SS brought in as the utility guy). I do not see AF expecting a guy like Canzler to be the RH 1st baseman, either as a platoon with a risky Joyce(who’s defense is highly questionable) or anything near a regular player. I still think this sets-up for another alternative like Derrek Lee who will come cheap like Scott(i would guess about 3-4 million each) and will at least provide good defense. Maybe you don’t like what he did in Baltimore last season but he’s just as good a risk as Scott is in rebounding at this point.
I could see a platoon system with a cheap LH’ed bat(not going to be a relatively expensive 2 year deal w/Kotchman) who plays good defense along with a guy like Canzler who may be more productive as the RH part of that system.
Perhaps at some point.
But if you can come up with a lefthanded 1st baseman hitter who can hit lefties and has some pop, point him out. Because without one, the Rays are going to struggle offensively again when they face a lefty, if they add another LH’ed bat at first, IMO.
The Rays would like a 1B who throws LH
this makes for greater range to glove side while holding runners. It also helps that they are fielding pick off moves without having to backhand.
As far as hitting goes, with a left handed hitting 1B the line up still has Longo, Upton, Jennings. Guyer, Rodriguez, Zorilla and Molina in it. As long as the splits are not too bad, either a RHB or LHB should be fine at 1B.
by Moore Guerreri and Cheese on Jan 11, 2012 8:28 PM EST up reply actions
You can shift guys all around the field to get someone else at DH vs lefties
But most 1Bs are left handed hitters. Limiting it to a right handed hitter really narrows down your options.
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"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
Scott/Lee equals the exact type of move AF made last year with Manny/Damon
Both could DH, play LF, came cheap, filled needs, and were both coming off down years where their skills seemed to be diminishing. I would have liked a lot of other moves to fill the Rays needs this winter, like most here but it appears that AF is following the same “tried and true” approach that has worked for him in the past. And money will always remain an issue, whether there is apparent room to add significant payroll or not.
I still think a SP will be traded this winter for a young(or even 25-27 year old) almost ready 1st baseman and/or a catching prospect, along with an arm or two.
Kotchman or Pena?
Personally I would go for Kotchman. He would be available for only half of the price Pena would want and he hits for average, which is rare in our lineup. I think Kotchman would hit like .280 .350 .400. Pena has some pops but his sub .200 average makes me want to puke. We need more guys hitting for averages as we struggles in RISP. Kotch is lefty htting .300 and I would take it over Pena’s 25 bombs comes with .200 average.
The best would be Konerko while good alternative would be Duda. But signing Kotch still makes sense to me. Platoon with Canzler, Scott at DH, Guyer/Joyce platooning at RF. We’re set.
by Patrick Relano Kim on Jan 11, 2012 6:29 PM EST reply actions
Last season was the only season Kotchman has hit .300+
He is a career .268 hitter, which isn’t exactly a sure thing to hit for average.
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by SandalsNoPants on Jan 11, 2012 6:34 PM EST up reply actions
I don't think the price difference will be that great
Most GMs are pretty fickle, and Kotchman had a better year last year.
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Last year was the only time in the past 5 seasons that Kotch was more valuable than Pena
and it was very close, 2.8 WAR for Kotch, 2.6 WAR for Pena. The other 4 seasons weren’t close with Pena much better than Kotch. Also looking at only the bat, Pena has had a higher wOBA every season.
Oh man. We're really going to need that :) %.
I’m a little surprised at the baggage the Rays have taken on. Doesn’t seem like their thing.
manny?
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by SandalsNoPants on Jan 11, 2012 6:36 PM EST up reply actions
He had eye surgery last year
It makes huge difference.. imo.
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A few ppl here were talking about needing a right handed 1B, this is a young slugger I really like. I dont know how expendable he is.
by BossmanJunior333 on Jan 11, 2012 7:24 PM EST via mobile reply actions
He could be gotten for the right price, but what we have (starting pitching), they already bought this offseason
LHP Clayton Kershaw
RHP Chad Billingsley
LHP Ted Lilly
RHP Aaron Harang
LHP Chris Capuano
Unless they ship Billingsley to the Royals or somewhere.
by Ben Tumbling on Jan 11, 2012 7:29 PM EST up reply actions
I would be fine with it as long as he came at the right price.
I know Sickels was really high on him coming into the season.If they already have starting pitching at the ML level, who else would we have to offer?
No matter how much they are hyped, my teams always find a way to disappoint.
by thedudeofdudes on Jan 11, 2012 7:54 PM EST up reply actions
Cobb or Torres or someone who is major league ready
but also who could use some time in the minors could be a match. Bills is probably on the move. Lilly is old. Harang and Capuano aren’t guys who are likely to hang around long (unless they got multiyear deals?).
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by SandalsNoPants on Jan 11, 2012 8:08 PM EST up reply actions
Bingo
60 % of their rotation could be gone in a year, so I would trade a soon to be major league ready starter.
Would you do Torres/Archer for Sands+?
by BossmanJunior333 on Jan 11, 2012 8:21 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
It sounds crazy
But earlier this offseason I suggested a scott/rizzo/sands 1b/dh/4thOF platoon. Same idea could work with duda. Rookies dont get overexposed and scott gets rest, plus more options based on matchups. 500 pa’s for all three. Torres for sands and davis for duda, not toooo crazy.
by BossmanJunior333 on Jan 11, 2012 8:29 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Do you think a high potential guy like Colome would be enough?
He is at AA now, so he is getting close to the ML level.
No matter how much they are hyped, my teams always find a way to disappoint.
by thedudeofdudes on Jan 11, 2012 8:39 PM EST up reply actions
That might work out better for them
They already have kershaw, bills, lilly and capuano locked up thru at least 2013 and rookies de la rosa and eovaldi ready right now. They already have a ton of live arms in AA or lower, so maybe they’d prefer a couple positional spects
by BossmanJunior333 on Jan 11, 2012 9:22 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
The first base question becomes clearer when Fielder signs.
And there are several teams that will have a need when that happens, which makes the market competitive. It may not be that just the Indians and Rays have first crack at the options available. The team that signs him may have an guy to move, the Indians may be looking for a 1st baseman, the Brewers, Cubs have a need, the Astros, Cardinals, Giants may be looking for depth.
LUUUUUUUUUUKE!!!!
We will miss your majestic dingers.
We will not miss your gun totin’ or your racism.
Despite clearly being a bit of a crackpot, Luke was a fun guy to have on your team, and he really began to improve against lefties last year IIRC.
Good luck with him. Watch out for those crazy streaks.
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