The Rays Tank: Luke Scott Is Ours...All Ours
by Steve Slowinski on Jan 12, 2012 8:01 AM EST
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There are a number of excellent stories that I want to pass along today, so let's jump right into it, shall we?
- I meant to link to this yesterday, but I wrote up some analysis on the Luke Scott signing over at FanGraphs. I riffed on the same somewhat troubling statistics that Mr. Neg pointed out last night: Scott's weird home/away splits. My assumption is that the Rays obviously didn't feel like this was a large enough problem to cause a problem, so I'm optimistic. That said, the Trop is definitely going to suck away some of Scott's home run power.
- Ever wondered what an epic poem about Elliot Johnson would look like? BPro's newest addition Adam Sobsey brings you "The Love Song of T.S. Elliot Johnson (A Utilityman Ballad)". I couldn't be more excited that BPro has nabbed Sobsey; any excuse to read more of his work is an okay one by me.
- Do Quad-A players exist? Kevin Goldstein explores the topic and concludes that yes, there are players out there that can mash Triple-A but not make the transition to the majors. I suppose we saw evidence of that in early 2011 with Dan Johnson...*sigh*
- Clay Davenport makes Cuban baseball stats available at his site, and he's used them to write a detailed post about Yoennis Cespedes. I still think the odds of the Rays making a run at Cespedes sit around 0.01%, but he's a fascinating player to read about.
- Grant Brisbee points out MLB's ridiculous YouTube policy, noting how they won't let any of their content stay on YouTube if they can help it. No matter if someone posts a game on YouTube that can't be purchased at MLB.com -- if MLB doesn't control it, they don't want you consuming it.
- Cool charts, great research, and an excuse to rag on umpires? Yeah, I'll read that.
- Dave Allen is the undisputed king of nifty charts, and he has a new toy: a database of the entire BBWAA Hall of Fame voting record. If you're curious how current players on the ballot might fare going forward, Allen's visuals will help you out.
- And in possibly the best news of the day, Dave Cameron is cancer free! He still has to be on guard for a relapse for the next five years, but this is still a helluva awesome step.
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Dan Johnson a Quad A player? Nah, only a low BABIP
held this budding all star from reaching his lofty goals
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Grant Brisbee
Just made my morning:
youth-and-peyote smoothie
Time to get my old Carlos Castenada books out and begin practicing on stealing the oppositions energy.
After that, I’ll ask the question:
Will there be a market for Prince Fielder in LA with the Dodgers now that the Fox/LA lawsuit has been settled?
I know Buster Olney touched on it and suggested that signing Fielder may increase the bids for the team. If so, by how much? If significant boost, why wouldn’t McCourt sign him, after all in the long run he doesn’t have to pay the salary?
Could Boras’ patience pay off and Fielder get the 8 year 200 million dollar deal that he is looking for?
Would the contract have an opt out after 4 years?
Finally, the Rays angle, would James Loney be an attractive trade target for the Rays?
Isn't the Dodgers' rotation full?
If they do a deal for Prince, then by all means yes but if there were a sliver of chance they were going to do that, I believe they would have conducted business much differently this off-season.
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by Jason Collette on Jan 12, 2012 9:25 AM EST up reply actions
the lawsuit held things up
was a nasty little spat
by MrNegative1 on Jan 12, 2012 10:05 AM EST up reply actions
Loney got nearly $5MM last year
so you’re talking about ~$7MM in salary plus giving up whatever it costs to acquire him in trade, for a 1B with a .409 SLG over the last four seasons.
That seems absolutely awful to me.
by AndrewTorrez on Jan 12, 2012 10:06 AM EST up reply actions
we need to put this hyperbole to rest
In two seasons as a full-time 1B, Butler put up a -3.0 UZR/150 in 2009 and a -1.7 in 2010. That’s not good, obviously, but it’s considerably better than, say, Prince Fielder (career avg at 1B: -6.4 UZR/150).
Paul Konerko’s UZR/150 over the last 3 years? -4.9.
Carlos Pena’s? -2.9.
So let’s stop pretending that playing Butler at 1B would be like playing Frank Thomas standing in a pool of quick-set concrete, particularly as the same group of people pine for Konerko, Pena, or Fielder.
by AndrewTorrez on Jan 12, 2012 11:03 AM EST up reply actions
I'm relaxed :)
and I know we do this dog-and-pony show on Butler, and it’s fun. I just wanted to get some actual facts in there so that others reading understand his actual defensive shortcomings.
by AndrewTorrez on Jan 12, 2012 11:08 AM EST up reply actions
I agree with you on all fronts
I didn’t opine on James Loney. I don’t like him at all.
by MrNegative1 on Jan 12, 2012 11:06 AM EST up reply actions
can't remember who here is really high on Loney
but I know someone keeps pimping for him in much the same way I keep pimping for Butler
by AndrewTorrez on Jan 12, 2012 11:11 AM EST up reply actions
I think Collette is a fan ofthe ""new and improved" Loney
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by FreeZorilla on Jan 12, 2012 12:02 PM EST up reply actions
Plays defense, doesn't hit for much power to speak of
Didn’t we just have one of those?
Matt Moore. That is all.
Yes, if he was non-tendered
Much like I would not have wanted Luke had the O’s tendered him. Now that Loney is tendered, I only have fantasy baseball interest.
I’m still very much on the Wilson Betemit wagon though
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by Jason Collette on Jan 12, 2012 12:11 PM EST up reply actions
Here's a question Rays fans?
Who was the riskier sign, Damon or Scott?
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riskier signing is Scott
In terms of health its hard to argue against Damon when he has that string of 140+ games played.
In terms of production, even with age, the more certain production will come from Damon.
The reward of Scott in 2012 and possibly a value sign in 2013 with the option outweighs the risk of sub-Damon production in 2012.
Higher Risk/Higher Reward signing.
Scott absolutely.
Although I imagine that the FO thinks some combo of Joyce/Guyer and Canzler have the DH spot covered if Scott bombs.
Sports page headline in today's Tampa Bay Times
‘Morris Joins Redskins’
Why would we care?
Lower page story
‘Rays Find New DH’
Why the media in this town coddles this shitty football franchise run by those carpetbaggers who haven’t won a playoff game in 9 years and treats the Rays as the red headed stepchild boggles the mind
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It baffles me too.
They seem so positive about the Lightning and want to be so positive about the Bucs, but they give the Rays little credit, positiveness, and attention.
More people care about football. Simple.
by Erik Hahmann on Jan 12, 2012 10:05 AM EST up reply actions
not sure if you can call them "people"...
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"Please break your typewriter and computer and never come out of your ass cave again"
(This is how you properly use an ellipses, Ryan Gilliss)
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"Please break your typewriter and computer and never come out of your ass cave again"
he still has mod powerz?
"I don't always post off-topic, but when I do, I post at http://ottotd.com" - $tinky $tu
"Please break your typewriter and computer and never come out of your ass cave again"
Yes...
and I uses ellipses correctly.
Boom. Outta Here.
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by Ryan Gilliss on Jan 12, 2012 1:46 PM EST up reply actions
You overuse them and dilute their effectiveness.
They are meant to imply that there is more to say that will be left unsaid. if you use them at the beginning of your header and then go on to elaborate it’s pointless. But i guess you could be using them like this:
the ellipsis can also inspire a feeling of melancholy longing.
maybe you’re just a very sad guy, I can’t say! Guess we’ll never know…
"I don't always post off-topic, but when I do, I post at http://ottotd.com" - $tinky $tu
"Please break your typewriter and computer and never come out of your ass cave again"
or it can be used to indicate an unfinished thought....
which is what my subject lines are.
Boom. Outta Here.
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by Ryan Gilliss on Jan 12, 2012 2:26 PM EST up reply actions
"i believe in public opinion polls"
-DDRR (1969-2012)
"I don't always post off-topic, but when I do, I post at http://ottotd.com" - $tinky $tu
"Please break your typewriter and computer and never come out of your ass cave again"
Astute observation
Watch what happens on radio today - I bet Scott gets 1/2 of the attention of Raheem with a new job
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by Jason Collette on Jan 12, 2012 10:18 AM EST up reply actions
It almost makes me want to listen to it
But I’ve not had the need to torture myself yet
I put the screw IN THE TUNA!
by Transplanted on Jan 12, 2012 11:09 AM EST up reply actions
Kendry avoids arb. at a really low $ figure.
I’d love to acquire him, but with Scott coming back from injury that may be too many gambles for that big bopper spot.
$2.975 to be exact.
I wonder what it would take to get him. That would be a pretty formidable lineup.
as long as he doesn't hit any walkoffs he should stay healthy
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"Please break your typewriter and computer and never come out of your ass cave again"
Why?
Acquire him, leave him on extended spring training, and find a cheaper fill-in option
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by Jason Collette on Jan 12, 2012 10:16 AM EST up reply actions
Miranda,
"I don't always post off-topic, but when I do, I post at http://ottotd.com" - $tinky $tu
"Please break your typewriter and computer and never come out of your ass cave again"
Hey, good morning guys. Sorry I couldn't post a lot yesterday, I saw there was a bunch of news. I guess we signed a birther and some awful player made derisive comments about management?
WHERE IS MATTHAN??
"I don't always post off-topic, but when I do, I post at http://ottotd.com" - $tinky $tu
"Please break your typewriter and computer and never come out of your ass cave again"
by pudieron89 on Jan 12, 2012 10:09 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
He's streaking in the quad in jubilation
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by Jason Collette on Jan 12, 2012 10:18 AM EST up reply actions
So the CSN stats are great.
Leslie Anderson had one very good year (probably with BIP luck), a bunch of others that were less impressive. Yuniesky Betancourt sort of sucked in Cuba, too. Leonys Martin probably actually can take a walk.
Jon Heyman doesn't like it? Must be a good move
ar be it for me to criticize the rays, who make more good decisions than anyone. but luke scott? over johnny damon?
Not like he has a vested self-interest in Damon or anything….
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by Jason Collette on Jan 12, 2012 10:16 AM EST reply actions
That inspired me to look up Theriot's career ISO...which is .072
Only 12 players were worse (out of 431) during that time. I don’t know why I did that.
Best day everrrrr
He wants to to come back… the guy deserves a raise on his defense alone. HE IS THE BEST FIRST BASEMAN. No one can look at his numbers and deny that. It’s truly a fact. He deserves a gold glove and hasn’t gotten one. He is the defense the team needs and the defense the team is built on. Any change to that position without Kotchman is a downgrade. He doesn’t show power… but he gets on base… It’s Brignac and Rodriguez and the catchers that need to start improving the most…. and Upton.
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landlord on the heater?
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"Please break your typewriter and computer and never come out of your ass cave again"
i do hope you've been trying to recruit them to drb or ottotd
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"Please break your typewriter and computer and never come out of your ass cave again"
I'm going to start ending all of my posts with "...and Upton"
It’s brilliant… and Upton
Vroom vroom party starter
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by Imperialism32 on Jan 12, 2012 10:50 AM EST up reply actions
It's amazing how quiet they keep everything
I put the screw IN THE TUNA!
by Transplanted on Jan 12, 2012 11:20 AM EST up reply actions
Okay everyone, huddle up, Torrez take a knee
We keep discussing ways to improve 1B? Kotchman lacks power, he probably wont hit .300 again, I don’t know that but I can give a good guess. However he was consistent until that last dreadful month of his and he does deserve a gold glove. So, how dissapointed will people be if Casey Kotchman is our 2012 1B?
Also whether it’s Pena, Kotchman or someone in a trade. I think Neimann or Davis get traded for prospects, maybe 1 is a 1B.
Matt Moore. That is all.
Take a knee? Hell, I'll Tebow if it will bring Votto or Fielder to town!
by AndrewTorrez on Jan 12, 2012 11:42 AM EST up reply actions
I did Tebow for Fielder when we breifly talked about him on a 1 year deal yesterday
It hasn’t work yet. Believe it or not, Votto is more unlikely than Prince. Where as Fielder is WAYYYYYY out of our price range, we might do it if it was 1 year. Reds are in win now mode, Votto is their best player and they traded his back up already.
Matt Moore. That is all.
I'd be okay -- not thrilled, but not rioting with torches and pitchforks
with Kotchman returning. My concern is that the Rays would then be fielding a 7-8-9 where you have to pinch-hit for all three guys if a lefty reliever comes in close and late.
by AndrewTorrez on Jan 12, 2012 12:17 PM EST up reply actions
ugh
"I don't always post off-topic, but when I do, I post at http://ottotd.com" - $tinky $tu
"Please break your typewriter and computer and never come out of your ass cave again"
Random fun news:
Our draft choice came down to Longoria or Lincecum. Had a deal in place with Lincecum but jumped on Longo when the Rockies let him slip.
Well, Timmy is projected to make 24 million this year in arby, Longoria will make 4.5 million. Yeah, sorry Johnny but we are in fact awesome. Now, go find your next “dream team”
“It’s always been my dream to be an Oriole”
Matt Moore. That is all.
god, imagine an infield with Tulo/Longo...epic.
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"Please break your typewriter and computer and never come out of your ass cave again"
And they both were great back then also
Both SS’s but Tulo was the starter and that is the story of how Evan became a 3B. A damn good one.
Matt Moore. That is all.
that's my point
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"Please break your typewriter and computer and never come out of your ass cave again"
well yeah, my purpose was twofold. since they played together at LB, and both developed even further into superstars, imagine them on the same diamond at the show.
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"Please break your typewriter and computer and never come out of your ass cave again"
Rays "made the Scott deal official"
I believe they still need to waive someone and please tell us what you paid the guy!
Matt Moore. That is all.
Seems Rangers, despite some doubt from them recently are moving closer to a deal with Darvish
That takes them out of Fielder range along with the Mariners and at least the rumored “favorite” Nats are out also. He will be a Marlin, I just wish Gaby could play LF so we could have Morrison.
Matt Moore. That is all.
5 million in 2012, 6 million option for 2013 with 1 million buy out
for Luke Scott
Matt Moore. That is all.
pretty good guesses earley yesterday:
My guess on dollar figures
1 yr, 4 M with team option of 6.5 for 2013 or 1.5M buyout
1/5.5 or 2/11
Yours?
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by Jason Collette on Jan 11, 2012 1:31 PM EST reply actions
i was thinking 5/7.5 with a 1 mill. buyout.
by rglass44 on Jan 11, 2012 1:32 PM EST up reply actions
seems high after seeing what his arb number was
by rglass44 on Jan 11, 2012 11:44 PM EST up reply actions
whoever said 4 years/ $20 million was way off.
I didn't listen to the Podcast to see if it was relevant or anything
but wtf is this picture?
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