Scott Deal Official; Signs For $5 million in 2012, $6 million option
Via Marc Topkin. Scott's deal also includes a $1m buyout on the 2013 option, essentially paying Scott $6m for this season.
This deal pays Scott like he's a 1-1.5 WAR player, which looks about right to me. Scott has averaged 1.2 WAR over the past three seasons (and that's including his injury-plagued 2011), and his lowest full-season WAR total is 1.2. So even if we expect him to regress some due to age, injuries, whatever, this seems like a fair deal.
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I want Pena too, but I wonder
Does this add too many players with holes in their swing? One of the reasons why they let Pena go was because of the strikeouts. What Damon and Kotchman added last year was contact. The trade-off was power. But the result was less K’s. Is the tradeoff of more power worth the extra strikeouts?
by raysfaninminnesota on Jan 12, 2012 1:06 PM EST up reply actions
what makes you think pena would sign for $7mil?
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$8M is the minimum, I think
But I think that would be fair for both sides.
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by Jason Collette on Dec 29, 2011 11:31 AM EST upreplyactions
So do you.
BOOM. ROASTED!
by SandalsNoPants on Dec 29, 2011 11:32 AM EST upreply Rec Flag
by sc_monsta1015 on Jan 12, 2012 2:29 PM EST up reply actions
he turned down salary arbitration that would have surely gotten him more than $8mil
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that was my argument, too
but now I’m thinking that may have just been a mistake. We’ll see.
by AndrewTorrez on Jan 12, 2012 3:16 PM EST up reply actions
If Scott is "a little ahead of schedule on his rehab"
I hope that rehab was supposed to end really soon.
Matt Moore. That is all.
The dollar amount he got tells me they're convinced he's healthy and ready to play daily
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agreed
especially for a team that likes to limit risk.
by raysfaninminnesota on Jan 12, 2012 1:09 PM EST up reply actions
Well he did pass his physical
He can’t be too messed up. He admits he can’t play OF until May or June but can DH or 1B(hear that Damon? ya big mouth!) right away.
Matt Moore. That is all.
2012 Rays
Jennings LF
Upton CF
Longoria 3B
Scott DH
Zobrist 2B
Pena 1B
Joyce RF
Molina C
Rodriguez SS
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joey will be in uniform this year--leading vote getter for Rays bat boy
DRB has plugged him for the job
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Did Luke Scott ask to see your birth certificate?
My d***ie is leaking!
by SRQman on Jan 12, 2012 1:32 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
that's not too old i don't think
especially if you’re underdeveloped
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The line
It was just crossed, yet again by you.
Everyone loves making jokes about me but what the hell is up your ass?
Matt Moore. That is all.
Not nearly grouchy enough
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by Jason Collette on Jan 12, 2012 2:31 PM EST up reply actions
sorry, what exactly was grouchy?
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i tend to consider myself punchy and cheerful, but i guess it doesn't translate too well into this genre :(
like Bradley before me, I’m simply misunderstood
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Old enough to know the difference between "would of" and "would have".
by Passionate Apathy on Jan 12, 2012 2:09 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Oh c'mon he knows the difference for all intensive purposes
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by FreeZorilla on Jan 12, 2012 2:48 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
ARRRGH
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Sorry, I should not of made him an escapegoat.
by Passionate Apathy on Jan 12, 2012 3:41 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Ease off. People make that mistake alot.
by Whelk on Jan 12, 2012 4:08 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Games end too late, would have to battle......fatigue
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by FreeZorilla on Jan 12, 2012 2:46 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Notes from Friedman's teleconference
On how Scott will be used:
-dunno where he will hit in the lineup yet
-depends on the other bat that we add
-love his success vs RHP & that he handles LHP well enough so you don’t need to have another roster spot to handle that
-Scott could even play 1st on opening day and may even see time in the OF at times
Does adding Scott affect handedness of what the team wants at 1st:
-other attributes factor in to that as well that we are still looking at
-still have a lengthy list of guys to look through to find the best guy possible
Everyone taking grounders @ 1st yesterday during workout:
-still looking for a bat, while being flexible to expand the applicant pool
-offensive fit with the unit, defense, and that net result
-there are times when enough offense trips the defensive value line when it makes sense for the team
Damon:
-his loss was more about the ability to add Scott and his abilities. Someone the team has valued for quite some time
Cobb:
-Very confident as to where he is at this time coming off the surgery
Trade/FA routes are still viewed as even possibilities. There are good options on both fronts weighing economics of FA deal against what you have to give up in a trade.
Still no hard & fast roster number so decisions are not being made solely on 2012
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his conference calls are always entertaining
The questions have to be asked but he gives the most ambivalent answers ever. He would be an awesome Presidential spokesperson
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by Jason Collette on Jan 12, 2012 2:12 PM EST up reply actions
Not sure there
If you add a Pena, you could keep Canzler and jettison Elliot. The risk there is if something happens to Longo again, you have to shift Sean over to 3rd, Brignac takes SS, and there is no reserve MI available outside of what you call up (Beckham?) from Durham.
That’s why I keep looking at Betemit who could be the Aybar/Lopez type that has the ability to play both corners if needed
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by Jason Collette on Jan 12, 2012 2:25 PM EST up reply actions
and Guyer
“we don’t need an extra RH’er bat”
Well, still has a small chance, the bench will have a C, Briggy/Sean and Fuld. Maybe he will be the 4th guy.
Matt Moore. That is all.
figure 13 bats & 12 arms
8 starters, 2nd C, Brignac, Fuld, ______ & _______
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by Jason Collette on Jan 12, 2012 2:29 PM EST up reply actions
9 starters
Scott as full-time DH
bench is the backup C (Lobaton/Molina), the backup SS (S-Rod/Brignac), Fuld, and one other. I would think that’d be Guyer.
by AndrewTorrez on Jan 12, 2012 3:01 PM EST up reply actions
particularly if the 1B solution isn't a plus bat, that would be angrifying
Rays absolutely have to pinch-hit for Molina and Brignac every game, and if it’s a lefty, you’re basically talking about having one pinch-hitter on the roster (Sean Rodriguez). To me, it’s pretty obvious that the team needs a right-handed bat a LOT more than a fourth shortstop.
I know you’re just the messenger, but yeah, this Theriot talk is annoying.
by AndrewTorrez on Jan 12, 2012 3:11 PM EST up reply actions
yes, this is what I intended to put
2 blanks are for the missing 1B and the bench guy then
Lobaton switch hits, but you don’t use your 2nd catcher as a pinch hitter much & given that Fuld & Brignac are both lefties, that would almost dictate the other guy being a RH bat.
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by Jason Collette on Jan 12, 2012 3:12 PM EST up reply actions
Don't give the Rays any ideas
They may carry Ruggiano over Guyer like they used him over Jennings last year.
Matt Moore. That is all.
I just don't see it
Guyer’s going to be 26, so you don’t care about service time, AND he’s now had a full season at AAA, so he doesn’t need any more time to develop. He is what he’s going to be.
by AndrewTorrez on Jan 12, 2012 3:20 PM EST up reply actions
Hey, I want Guyer on the 25 man roster also
It’s just how the Rays normally work that worries me about him.
Matt Moore. That is all.
Could you imagine if they somehow dealt Fuld this off-season.
Damon, Kotchman, and Fuld all gone at once? Fans might go nuts
In all seriousness, I think Fuld’s a lock to stay but that’s the only bench spot I’m certain about right now because he can play all 3 spots in the OF in a pinch. Plus, you know Maddon wants to let him pitch
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by Jason Collette on Jan 12, 2012 3:23 PM EST up reply actions
I actually think Fuld could thrive as a lefty-pinch hitter, true 4th OF type
I don’t see him ever repeating April 2011 again, but I think he’s exactly the kind of guy you want on a playoff roster.
by AndrewTorrez on Jan 12, 2012 3:39 PM EST up reply actions
He's a college guy...
he didn’t play a full season until two years after signing and has only played a full season once. I’m cool with the Rays lets him sit in Durham for awhile more.
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by Ryan Gilliss on Jan 12, 2012 3:25 PM EST up reply actions
He turns 26 later this month -- really seems a waste
but he does have less than 400 AB in AAA
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by Jason Collette on Jan 12, 2012 3:28 PM EST up reply actions
And he's missed a month's worth of games each of the two last seasons...
after being aggressively promoted by the Cubs.
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by Ryan Gilliss on Jan 12, 2012 3:30 PM EST up reply actions
4th bat: Shelley Duncan
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by Jason Collette on Dec 29, 2011 11:31 AM EST upreplyactions
So do you.
BOOM. ROASTED!
by SandalsNoPants on Dec 29, 2011 11:32 AM EST upreply Rec Flag
by sc_monsta1015 on Jan 12, 2012 2:32 PM EST up reply actions
We might as well add another "unsavory" type
Fans would love him
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by Jason Collette on Jan 12, 2012 2:34 PM EST up reply actions
Why not?
Get him for cheap, good RH bench bat, could fill in at 1B (hoping for Pena), DH, or OF if we need him.
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by Jason Collette on Dec 29, 2011 11:31 AM EST upreplyactions
So do you.
BOOM. ROASTED!
by SandalsNoPants on Dec 29, 2011 11:32 AM EST upreply Rec Flag
by sc_monsta1015 on Jan 12, 2012 2:36 PM EST up reply actions
as long as "the other bat" does not mean "Ryan Theriot"
by AndrewTorrez on Jan 12, 2012 2:12 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Well, Slugging Theriot wouldn't exactly have any effect on the lineup
Friedman implied that the next bat would affect the lineup.
by Ben Tumbling on Jan 12, 2012 2:18 PM EST up reply actions
So, who thinks the payroll can jump up over $65M this year?
Just thinking, Pena could sign elsewhere, sign Kotch plus, IF Cordero falls into our laps ($7M?), go ahead and jump on it (wow, that sounded weird). Payroll almost $70M? Just a dream, of course, but that’s a WS team.
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by Jason Collette on Dec 29, 2011 11:31 AM EST upreplyactions
So do you.
BOOM. ROASTED!
by SandalsNoPants on Dec 29, 2011 11:32 AM EST upreply Rec Flag
I don't like paying the declining Cordero for basically the same amount Pena will probably sign for.
Matt Moore. That is all.
tidbit
payroll of AL champs last 4 seasons:
2008: $47.1M ($91M MLB average)
2009: $203.3M ($92M MLB average)
2010: $58M (94.1M MLB average)
2011: $93M ($95.9M MLB average)
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by Jason Collette on Jan 12, 2012 2:54 PM EST up reply actions
over 7 years with an opt out clause after every season, sure
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by Jason Collette on Jan 12, 2012 3:09 PM EST up reply actions
Would of done it for Madson, not Cordero
And turns out 7 million would of been very close.
Matt Moore. That is all.
STOP IT STOP IT STOP IT
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it's such a simple thing that would make you appear so much less idiotic. How can you acknowledge that you do it wrong yet refuse to proofread the things you type?
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What is he supposed to make?
Honestly, I was thinking around that price all along.
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by Jason Collette on Dec 29, 2011 11:31 AM EST upreplyactions
So do you.
BOOM. ROASTED!
by SandalsNoPants on Dec 29, 2011 11:32 AM EST upreply Rec Flag
by sc_monsta1015 on Jan 12, 2012 5:43 PM EST up reply actions
I don't think he's worth a roster spot
so zero dollars for me.
Really like the option year part of the deal.
Everyone who says this is a risky deal is right. But it also has a very nice upside.
Agreed
It could be mutually beneficial. This isn’t a steal by any means, but I still like it more than just bringing back Damon for another season.
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by Jason Collette on Jan 12, 2012 3:09 PM EST up reply actions
He actually makes less this year than Damon last year
And is a much better hitter
I put the screw IN THE TUNA!
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Who thinks this "other bat" will be?
Friedman said it doesn’t have to be a 1B because enough offense outweighs defense. Not for the Rays. I still say Pena because the only guy with more offense "that will outweigh(heh heh) his defense is Prince Fielder.
Matt Moore. That is all.
Fielder pushes the payroll to the mid 80's...
I just don’t think that’s going to happen
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by Ryan Gilliss on Jan 12, 2012 3:10 PM EST up reply actions
Agreed
There’s absolutely zero chance we get Prince Fielder. I’d take 1000:1 odds on it
by benderbrodriguez on Jan 12, 2012 3:18 PM EST up reply actions
I'll shave my head bald if they sign Fielder
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by Jason Collette on Jan 12, 2012 3:21 PM EST up reply actions
Indians
According to Paul Hoynes of the Cleveland Plain Dealer, the Indians like Carlos Pena and went to ownership to see if they could make a deal work.
Can we have him? Please? Pleassse? We finished in 2nd, we deserve a reward!
Matt Moore. That is all.
Joey stop begging.
WOULD HAVE WOULD HAVE
If you lived closer I would have kicked the snot out of you by now
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Maybe you should take a nap.
You don’t seem like yourself today.
WOULD HAVE WOULD HAVE
If you lived closer I would have kicked the snot out of you by now
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by Imperialism32 on Jan 12, 2012 3:49 PM EST up reply actions
"No - sign Kotchman"
Seriously, they need to spell Santana at 1st to rest his knees. Are you really going to sit Pena more than 10-12 games a year to let Santana do that?
They could pay Kotchman half of what Pena would want and be better off for it in context of their groundball staff & roster construction.
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by Jason Collette on Jan 12, 2012 3:54 PM EST up reply actions
Guyer for Blanks
Who says no ?
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Thoughts?
The reason Casey Kotchman had such a great season is because that’s how he is supposed to play. He got an eye problem fixed so he can actually see the ball now…. Kotchman has the leading career fielding percentage of all 1st baseman… there is no reason as to why he shouldn’t have a gold glove right now.
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Well
If the Rays brass has one weakness, it’s writing off clubhouse presence. They did the same thing after the ‘08 season, letting Hinske & Cliff Lee leave, and the ’09 team missed the playoffs. Damon was a great teammate & showed a young team how to act like professionals. I’d rather have that than 10 more homers.
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I assume that meant Floyd
And didn’t he retire?
Still love Hinske for telling Evan to take the deal.
Matt Moore. That is all.
Listened to my main man Cliff Floyd on MLB Network Radio driving home last night.
Talked a lot about the fun he had in the Rays clubhouse. He’s actually really, really good on the radio.
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He really is
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by Jason Collette on Jan 12, 2012 4:15 PM EST up reply actions
Apparently the weight room is right next to the visitor's training room and clubhouse.
And Cliff and the boys took quite a bit of pleasure hearing the complaints of the opposing teams and trainers about the volume of their hippity hop.
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I guess that's supposed to be Cliff Floyd?
I suppose the Rays could have used those 17 plate appearances in which Cliffy hit .125/.176/.125 before hanging ‘em up for good. That’s definitely why the ’09 Rays missed the playoffs.
by AndrewTorrez on Jan 12, 2012 4:11 PM EST up reply actions
I'll take 10,000 "should of"s in exchange for never having to read this kind of drivel again
by AndrewTorrez on Jan 12, 2012 4:09 PM EST up reply actions
I just want everyone to realize what we're working with here.
Makes you appreciate things.
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Agreed
Exhibit 1: Manny
Exhibit 2: The Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Those are two great examples of people who could use a little of "Johnny Damon's School of Acting Like a Professional"
more bad management by this organization. Boo Rays.
Jeers to Rays organization. They don’t understand the real value of a guy. Damon did not only contribute with his hitting, but also with his attitude and personality.
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I don't know...
A full season of acting like a professional and we’re going to judge him for being upset that he wasn’t signed back? I don’t think any less of him.
Did he 'act like a professional' because he didn't attack people at random or poop in public?
Just because he’s been around forever doesn’t mean he’s the ultimate clubhouse example.
If professionalism was his strength, he certainly didn’t show that in a very public example last night.
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I'm just saying...
I’d rather BJ Upton be around Damon than Luke Scott. You could cut the tension with a butter knife.
Well, he tried to fight with Longoria
Anyone is game
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by Jason Collette on Jan 12, 2012 4:28 PM EST up reply actions
he does look like Damon
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by Jason Collette on Jan 12, 2012 4:30 PM EST up reply actions
SAVAGE
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by Ryan Gilliss on Jan 12, 2012 4:31 PM EST up reply actions
He looks like Friedman
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Bj and I had a nice talk about Rhodesian Ridgebacks a couple weeks ago
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by Ryan Gilliss on Jan 12, 2012 4:30 PM EST up reply actions
hey, I own the humblebrags in this place
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by Jason Collette on Jan 12, 2012 4:31 PM EST up reply actions
I realized that I should have prefaced that I read about his dog...
in the Times a couple years ago
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by Ryan Gilliss on Jan 12, 2012 4:32 PM EST up reply actions
I shouted across the bar, "Man that's one god damn African..."
…“lion-killing dog you’ve got, Beej.”
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by Ryan Gilliss on Jan 12, 2012 4:36 PM EST up reply actions
It's my opinion based on rumors I've heard and things I've read.
Which is basically the same as your opinion on Damon.
What rumors have you heard?
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by Ryan Gilliss on Jan 12, 2012 4:32 PM EST up reply actions
I'm not going to feel to poorly about Damon...
since I’ve heard him speak and don’t think he’s smart enough to realize how his words came across.
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by Ryan Gilliss on Jan 12, 2012 4:38 PM EST up reply actions
Worst radio interview I have ever heard in my entire life. Painful
Meanwhile, BJ speaks like a nuclear physicist and is deemed a thug.
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i don't think most nuclear physicists are eloquent
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Rumors are an excellent source for thoughts on racial tension.
My opinion on Damon is that he didn’t show an awful lot of that vaunted professionalism in his comments.
@RealNolenBailey
You are right. My opinion of him is slightly worse as well.
It’s just a shame that your opinion of him is so warped based on one thing he said that probably everyone will forget about by tomorrow anyways.
I don't have an opinion on Johnny Damon.
I just don’t think every old, white player is some clubhouse community organizer bursting with intangibles.
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find the Damon quotes
http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=4205
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by Jason Collette on Jan 12, 2012 4:43 PM EST up reply actions
Oh wow. Even worse than I thought.
Where did he get this ‘clubhouse leader’ persona from?
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How about this? (via RJ)
“They set a value on me, and I respect that. They didn’t want to go over that threshold. But it’s $3 million a year, and with that $3 million, I could help out so many unfortunate people.”
—Johnny Damon, on how the Red Sox didn’t match the Yankees’ offer of 4 years and $52 million.
He could have replaced Sally Struthers!
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by Jason Collette on Jan 12, 2012 4:49 PM EST up reply actions
You need to read that Idiot biography of his
I picked it up at the library……life-changing
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by Jason Collette on Jan 12, 2012 4:51 PM EST up reply actions
.
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by Jason Collette on Jan 12, 2012 4:58 PM EST up reply actions
LOL
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by Ryan Gilliss on Jan 12, 2012 5:02 PM EST up reply actions
I bet something can be found like this on anyone though.
Especially someone who’s been around the game for ~20 years. You’d be lucky to find one who wasn’t using, too.
Anything illegally performance-enhancing
List of clean guys who were actually decent ball players is getting pretty narrow these days for guys his age.
WHAT THE HELL IS THIS GUY TALKING ABOUT?
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by Ryan Gilliss on Jan 12, 2012 5:02 PM EST up reply actions
Dude...relax...
I’m saying I respect the guy.
1) He’s a steroid-era player who’s never used.
2) 99% of his teammates love the guy.
3) Just about every team he’s played on has been pretty good.
4) My opinion of him has been generally good as a player on the Rays.
Add all those together and I don’t give a crap what he said when he was fired. I enjoyed him when he was here.
So sue me if I’m apprehensive about Luke Scott’s character after I’ve already formulated a positive opinion of Damon.
Don’t hate me because I don’t share your opinions.
And a statement I absolutely do not agree with.
There is no way to know.
Doesn’t matter to me whether a guy did or didn’t either way.
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Dear young team, this is how you act like a professional after not being re-signed.
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We should keep our guys until they're ready to retire
Wakefield and Varitek have been awesome for Boston these last two seasons
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by Jason Collette on Jan 12, 2012 4:16 PM EST up reply actions
there*
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Can't believe we didn't keep Cliff Lee
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by Jason Collette on Jan 12, 2012 4:14 PM EST up reply actions
if he throws banana chips into B.J. Upton's helmet
the Rays are going to have an extra spot on the 40-man roster and larger-than-expected team funeral expenses
by AndrewTorrez on Jan 12, 2012 4:23 PM EST up reply actions
I think that was blown wayyyy out of proportion and likely taken way out of context.
@RealNolenBailey
After the Virginia Tech shooting, I filled my Asian co-worker's office with body bags.
It’s just office hijinks.
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Doesn't count unless its in SW VA.
2 years later ( at VT) an Asian student beheaded another in the dinning hall.
I have a bullet proof vest under my desk I put on any time he walks into my office.
But we’re buds so it’s cool.
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Yeah...
I don’t have the seem politics or strong religious beliefs that Scott has, but his teammates all seem to really enjoy his presence. The team president I believe had very complimentary things to say about him, and Guthrie had good things to say about him.
Boom. Outta Here.
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by Ryan Gilliss on Jan 12, 2012 4:28 PM EST up reply actions
me too
I’m not really concerned, because I think Scott is smart enough to not be an idiot when he comes to a pretty stable clubhouse with fairly established leaders (Longo and Price).
by AndrewTorrez on Jan 12, 2012 4:26 PM EST up reply actions
I wish we could link directly to Heater comments
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by Jason Collette on Jan 12, 2012 4:17 PM EST up reply actions
Like this gem
Can they pay him extra to stop tinkering with the lineup? When I played high school ball, we had the same lineup every day so that people could get comfortable.
by Passionate Apathy on Jan 12, 2012 4:24 PM EST up reply actions
No, I'd like to share them elsewhere & give proper credit to the genius
The comments have been awesome today
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by Jason Collette on Jan 12, 2012 4:26 PM EST up reply actions
Milton Bradley
A blast from the past. This has absolutely nothing to do with anything, except that I thought Eric Hinske made a cameo in this fake chat, but he didn’t. But still: it’s hilarious.
Heyman says Sox close with Vicente Padilla
1st reaction — “that guy still pitches???”
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to be fair, that was my reaction when the Yankees signed Bartolo Colon at this point last year
by AndrewTorrez on Jan 12, 2012 4:23 PM EST up reply actions
I actually really don't want them to sign him.
I think he may still have something left in the tank.
Yep, same
When Matthew Berry threw his name out in the Tout Wars draft, I spit soda
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by Jason Collette on Jan 12, 2012 4:27 PM EST up reply actions
I would take a $1 flyer on him next year again.
But I wouldn’t expect much from him after the AS break.
by PriceMultiCyYoungs on Jan 12, 2012 4:28 PM EST up reply actions
he won't be $1 this year in an AL-only draft
unless he signs with the White Sox
by AndrewTorrez on Jan 12, 2012 4:29 PM EST up reply actions
stop drinking soda, it's bad for you
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Nice stuff
"I’m disappointed in the fact that I thought they would be interested. They said they would, but obviously, actions speak louder than words. But at the same time, I respect it is a business decision. They made the decision that was right for their team, and I respect that. It’s their choice; they have every right to make that choice. I’m on to a new chapter in my life."
Except that’s what Luke Scott had to say about Baltimore today. That’s all Damon had to say. Scott gave 4 years of his career to Baltimore & could have been angrier, but wasn’t.
"Leaving Baltimore is difficult because I put in four years of my life there. The fans have been wonderful to me. I really appreciated the fans and the love they showed me. I’ll miss my teammates, of course. I built a really good relationship with my teammates. I desire the best for my teammates and for them to do well. At the end of the day, the game is a business and I am happy to be with the Tampa Bay Rays. It’s a great team, a great organization and I am glad to be a part of it."
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sounds like a clubhouse cancer
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by Jason Collette on Jan 12, 2012 4:24 PM EST up reply actions
My kind of guy
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by Jason Collette on Jan 12, 2012 4:29 PM EST up reply actions
The difference: Scott currently has a job.
Damon is starting to have to face some harsh realities about the trend of his career…my guess is that’s partly why he sounded off like he did.
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by Steve Slowinski on Jan 12, 2012 11:33 PM EST up reply actions
given the number of Johnny Damon Specials he hit last year
that just doinked into shallow LF or RF and turned into doubles, I think teams have a very real fear that he might drop off sharply.
I liked Damon’s tenure here. He was always a class act around the fans on the road here in Baltimore; he’d come over and sign Rays gear, Tigers gear, Red Sox gear, even Yankees gear. (I never saw anyone try to bring Royals or A’s gear, but I suspect he would have signed that, too.) He talked to me every game and offered to sign anything I or my family wanted signed. He was much more accessible and much nicer than I expected. I’ll miss him.
by AndrewTorrez on Jan 12, 2012 11:40 PM EST up reply actions
Veteran Leadership
At some point shouldn’t we stop worrying about that when you have players like 31 yr old Zobrist going into his 7th season with the Rays, and 30 yr old James Shields also going into his 7th season with the Rays. Not to mention players like Price, Longoria, Upton, etc.. who have been here for all of the past 4 years of playoff chases/runs.
by JWoz on Jan 12, 2012 4:31 PM EST reply actions 10 recs
I'm gonna rec it
Boom. Outta Here.
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by Ryan Gilliss on Jan 12, 2012 4:32 PM EST up reply actions
Not to mention, it is very much a player's clubhouse
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by Jason Collette on Jan 12, 2012 4:36 PM EST up reply actions
which one?
Boom. Outta Here.
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by Ryan Gilliss on Jan 12, 2012 4:38 PM EST up reply actions
BJ's, of course. He's selfish. Duh
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by Jason Collette on Jan 12, 2012 4:43 PM EST up reply actions
...and BJ
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I feel like BJ's been around for like 10 years at this point.
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by SandalsNoPants on Jan 12, 2012 10:24 PM EST up reply actions
2004. Is he the longest tenured (Devil) Ray of all time?
Or does Crawford have him beat?
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by SandalsNoPants on Jan 12, 2012 10:26 PM EST up reply actions
No, I'm not looking it up.
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by SandalsNoPants on Jan 12, 2012 10:26 PM EST up reply actions
How about another Lee?
I’ve tossed around the option of Derrek Lee as a cheap RH bat for 1st base. He plays solid defense and despite his O’s numbers last season, he provides some pop, could do some DH’ing and the Rays could pair him with a LH back-up 1st baseman(or a rotation with Scott).
But when it appears that other than Fielder(out of the Rays payroll) as an impact bat there is no one else available, I thought of Carlos Lee from the Astro’s. I am sure they want to move his 18.5 million left as he no longer fits in their plans(he is a FA next year) and he’ll most likely be moved at the deadline anyway. He had a good year in 2011 as he became strictly a 1st basema(who has played good defense 7.8 UZR/150 the last 2 seasons) and was a 4.6 WAR player. He could still hit 20+ HR’s and hits for average. Plus he has always had a ridiculously low KO rate, something the Rays could use in the middle of the order and he could be in a DH mix as well.
Rays couldn’t take on his entire salary but the Astros are trying to shed more salary and may be open to eating half his salary in return for one or two good prospects(maybe an/Archer/Romero and a young OF’er..Vettison?) Not sure if they would be interested in a Davis/Neimann but that could help a deal.
If the Rays were “going all in” for 2012, could they may be willing to add 9-10 million(like they did with Soriano) and maybe get an impact bat who fits in very nicely with what the rest of the line-up?
I don't feel Carlos Lee could hit 20 in this park
He turns 36 this season and his HR/FB rate has gone down each of the past 4 seasons, in a hitter’s park. He could have 50 XBH here, but 35 of them would be doubles
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by Jason Collette on Jan 12, 2012 5:07 PM EST up reply actions
Perhaps but in comparison to Pena the projections aren't that far off in terms of production
Although both projections would be down at the Trop. But the difference is a much higher average and very few KO’s(100 less than Pena) and maybe those doubles become an asset in this line-up.
BP's projections
Carlos Lee: .273 TAv, 1.9 WAR
Derrek Lee: .283 TAv, 1.7 WAR
Carlos Pena: .292 TAv, 2.4 WAR
Bring back Los
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i put the least value in BPro WAR of all the types, seems to correlate the least
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I just don't like Pena's KO's in the middle.
400 combined KO’s between Longoria, Pena, and Scott is frightening.
Who else doesn't really like the idea of us becoming a HR hitting team in a pitchers' ballpark?
Here’s to hoping the guys get better at situational hitting.
let's not go crazy here
Adding one player isn’t exactly remaking the offense.
by AndrewTorrez on Jan 12, 2012 5:40 PM EST up reply actions
Agreed but this is under the assumption we will add Pena.
Or basically any typical 1B that is in our price range…basically, low avg designed to hit home runs.
Agreed and Scott is nothing but a "nice move" and although inexpensive, he is a risk.
It is an AF special that begins to “compliment” what is already here. The main move is going to be how he addresses 1st base now. The Rays need to be about striking out less, getting runners on, over and maximizing run scoring situations. Big bats with big holes in the middle of this line-up has been part of the inconsistency this team has struggled with the last few seasons.
I honestly don't think it matters.
Guys who are good hitters are good hitters no matter where they are. Just because you play in a big park doesn’t mean that the road to a good offense is a bunch of slap happy singles hitters. Find me a 1B/DH who can carry the position with his bat without big time power and I’ll take him, but Ichiros doesn’t grow on trees.
Most guys with that approach can’t sustain success.
by Whelk on Jan 12, 2012 5:43 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
The Rays already hit a lot of HR and had one of the highest ISO in 2011
It worked then. I’ll take it in 2012.
btw, they were 6th in the AL in HR but 5th in the ALE. 5th in ISO but 4th in the ALE ahead of the O’s. I wouldn’t mind keeping up with the division in the power department to go along with the pitching rotation.
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by SandalsNoPants on Jan 12, 2012 10:32 PM EST up reply actions
I guess it's all we can get at this point.
Since we can’t afford a high-OBP speed guy. I just hope somebody will hit at least near .300 for us. For whatever reason I feel that we’re getting away a bit from what the Rays are all about…occasional HRs, also speed guys who steal bases and guys that then proceed to drive them in with clutch singles.
So should we get a 1B who hits occasional HR's and is fast?
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by Jason Collette on Dec 29, 2011 11:31 AM EST upreplyactions
So do you.
BOOM. ROASTED!
by SandalsNoPants on Dec 29, 2011 11:32 AM EST upreply Rec Flag
by sc_monsta1015 on Jan 12, 2012 5:54 PM EST up reply actions
I would settle for a 1st baseman who can hit in the middle of this line-up, hit 20 Hr's, hit for a .280(or better) BA and won't strike out.
And he has to be an A+ fielder
It sounds like that's what this guy wants.
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by Jason Collette on Dec 29, 2011 11:31 AM EST upreplyactions
So do you.
BOOM. ROASTED!
by SandalsNoPants on Dec 29, 2011 11:32 AM EST upreply Rec Flag
by sc_monsta1015 on Jan 12, 2012 6:01 PM EST up reply actions
I think the gator man wants a "pure hitter"( a guy who not only can hit .320 but drives runs in when situations presents itself) in the middle of this line-up..d
….as opposed to one who has power but strikes out a 150 times and leaves a ton of guys in critical scoring situations. I tend to agree with that but they are few and far between so I would be fine with a hitter who may have some pop but is more likely to drive in runs because he is a very good hitter and makes good contact(as opposed to KO’ing a lot) in run scoring spots. In the Rays current make-up speed is not paramount but plus defense is because of the emphasis they place on it…especially with the opening being at first base right now.
I guess Butler comes to mind....again.
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by Jason Collette on Dec 29, 2011 11:31 AM EST upreplyactions
So do you.
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by SandalsNoPants on Dec 29, 2011 11:32 AM EST upreply Rec Flag
by sc_monsta1015 on Jan 12, 2012 6:20 PM EST up reply actions
Butler does profile as that type of hitter but again, I don't see him as available as many here would think.
And while 24 million for the next three seasons is expensive and possibly could fit into the Rays long term budget, that option may have been removed with the Scott signing. Butler is not a good defensive player.
where is all this batting average talk coming from? gerrout with that shit.
by rglass44 on Jan 12, 2012 11:34 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
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by SandalsNoPants on Jan 13, 2012 7:59 AM EST up reply actions
passers-by
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Guys who fit that offensive description last year (.280 AVG; 18+ HR):
Gaby Sanchez
Paul Konerko
Eric Hosmer
Miguel Cabrera
Carlos Lee
Albert Pujols
Add in great 1B defense and that takes out Lee (not his usual position, though he might be able to learn), Konerko, Hosmer, and Cabrera.
We’re obviously not getting Pujols, but I wouldn’t mind Sanchez. What I think this really shows, though, is the folly in describing the type of player you want as opposed than just looking for a good player, however he goes about being good.
by Whelk on Jan 12, 2012 6:15 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Sanchez definitely fits that bill but I don't see him being moved right now.
That’s why Carlos Lee is interesting because he appear to be a candidate to be moved. He seems to have settled in as at least a good defensive 1st baseman and though he may show some signs of regressing, coming to a contending team couldn’t hurt. Expensive?…perhaps, but maybe do-able in the right deal.
I hate to say this
But im warming up to the idea of sanchez. He’s a safe predictable bat like scotchman
by BossmanJunior333 on Jan 12, 2012 8:23 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Gaby Sanchez offers basically no upside
I don’t know why you’d trade for him when you could just resign Kotchman
by AndrewTorrez on Jan 12, 2012 10:48 PM EST up reply actions
Well, he's better.
But yeah.
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by SandalsNoPants on Jan 12, 2012 10:56 PM EST up reply actions
18 homers in the old Marlins stadium
is certainley a lot more power than Kotchman’s 9 homers at the Trop.
Matt Moore. That is all.
What do you think Butler's peak years would look like?
Do you expect more power? Is he Edgar Martinez-lite (really lite)?
by Ben Tumbling on Jan 12, 2012 11:10 PM EST up reply actions
well, Butler's talent now is essentially .300/.370/.470
so is it impossible he could put up an Edgar Martinez 1992 line? Something like .340/.410/.540?
I wouldn’t bet on it, but when you say “peak,” that’s sort of what comes to mind.
by AndrewTorrez on Jan 12, 2012 11:36 PM EST up reply actions
daric barton??
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I think we can expect a few of our current players to hit for a higher average than last year.
So I think we can afford to have Pena back for this year.
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by Jason Collette on Dec 29, 2011 11:31 AM EST upreplyactions
So do you.
BOOM. ROASTED!
by SandalsNoPants on Dec 29, 2011 11:32 AM EST upreply Rec Flag
by sc_monsta1015 on Jan 12, 2012 5:57 PM EST up reply actions
What are the chances that we sign Fielder?
Yo. I’ve been reading this site for years but I finally decided to start posting.
So yeah, what are the chances that AF opens up that checkbook and signs Fielder?
by raysman1 on Jan 12, 2012 7:27 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Welcome! Glad to have you.
I’d also say the odds are pretty much zero. It’s something to dream about, but I just don’t believe they have the cash for it.
Also, it sounds like Boras isn’t desperate enough yet to talk one year deals…he supposedly rebuffed the Brewers today when they started trying to bring that up.
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by Steve Slowinski on Jan 12, 2012 11:36 PM EST up reply actions
I'll bet you one dollar at those odds. We can round down to the nearest million if I win.
by AndrewTorrez on Jan 12, 2012 11:41 PM EST up reply actions
No it was 1000:1 odds
Get your facts straight
by benderbrodriguez on Jan 13, 2012 3:18 PM EST up reply actions
welcome RIUN
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I'm guessing the Indians will give Pena the two year deal he wants
Does this leave us out?
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I bet we offering a Scott type deal
A bit more money, maybe 7-8 mil per with a team option for year two.
Lets give a 34yo Power hitter 2 years!
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by Transplanted on Jan 12, 2012 8:37 PM EST up reply actions
I sill think we trade for our first baseman
I dont think it makes sense to have tradable commodities (extra starting pitching) and just spend more money. Not a good use of resources. If we signed pena or whoever, would you predict we trade a starter for prospects?
by BossmanJunior333 on Jan 12, 2012 8:11 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Lucas duda
Wouldnt he come close to the afore mentioned criteria ie .292 ba, 16.4 k%, 10 hr (347 pa)
by BossmanJunior333 on Jan 12, 2012 8:17 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Still no real reason for the Mets to move Duda right now
Even for a Neimann/Davis. They aren’t going to compete for a few years and mid-rotation starters getting into more expensive salary years might not interest them.
Horrible defender in outfield
Needs to be moved back to 1B. I think we could get him whether its for a davis/niemann or a archer/torres.
by BossmanJunior333 on Jan 12, 2012 9:46 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Friedman on the radio today
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His power has been dropping ever since he reached AAA in 2008.
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by SandalsNoPants on Jan 12, 2012 10:36 PM EST up reply actions
He would help Durham
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by Jason Collette on Jan 12, 2012 10:56 PM EST up reply actions
If you were Yoenis Cespedes
Would you play in the DR to give MLB a taste of what you look like against good comp or would you sit tight and be the mystery man and sign a 25-30 mil deal? I give the kid credit for playing.
take guaranteed money as early as you can, unless it's for pennies on the dollar
it’s too easy to get hurt.
by AndrewTorrez on Jan 12, 2012 11:31 PM EST up reply actions
He wants 4 or 5 years, if it was 25-30, we can get him.
But Marlins are fully ready to give him 50-60 million.
Matt Moore. That is all.
If the Indians want Pena OR Kotchman
And they have to ask ownership to let them spend AND they want the guy to platoon with Santana at 1B. Wouldn’t it make much more sense for them to get Kotchman?
Matt Moore. That is all.
I have no doubt there
But the lack of money and them wanting a guy to platoon, I think Kotchman fits them much better.
Matt Moore. That is all.
I want Pena but would be happy with Kotch
The beauty of signing is we hold onto to our pitching surplus, allowing AF to take out his whipping stick once a big pitcher gets injured or someone goes Hamilton-Cabrera in spring training. I am all for making a poor mans version of the Garza trade with Nieman or Davis to a desperate suitor.
Cards have a C or SS spect? because I would love Matt Adams if we do infact sign Pena or Kotch.
Matt Moore. That is all.
any idea that Adams is available?
I like him too, but now that they lost Pujols, are the Cards really going to deal their top 1B prospect?
by AndrewTorrez on Jan 13, 2012 12:01 AM EST up reply actions
Craig is a big bat but his best defensive position is his bat, he's their future at 1B
Matt Moore. That is all.
Just curious.....
Does anyone know why Scott was 27 before he broke into the bigs? He was drafted in 2001 so I suppose 4 years in the minors makes sense.
Maybe Astros didn't want to give him a chance
We might be doing the same with Guyer.
Matt Moore. That is all.
few things
Didn’t get out of college until he was 23
Astros insisted on giving Jason Lane way too much playing time when he didn’t deserve it. He got 345 PA’s in 2006 while hitting .201/.318/.392 while Scott could only get 249 PA that season and hit .336/.426/.621. They had Preston Wilson on the other corner
who was just as unproductive in 2006 but the Astros were paying him $4M so they had to play him.
Team was run so poorly after Hunsicker left
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by Jason Collette on Jan 13, 2012 12:15 AM EST up reply actions
Took a couple years off to fight for the Confederacy.
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by Hatfield on Jan 13, 2012 6:35 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Am I the only one who thinks 5-6M for Scott is too much?
I thought he was going to get a 2-3M contract. We’ll see I guess.
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