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Welcome to the AL East, Scouting Michael Pineda Edition

Michael Pineda explains to Miguel Olivio that he's 6'5", 245 pounds. (Photo by Stephen Brashear/Getty Images)

Edit: After some interesting arbitrary endpoints tweeted by Mark Simon at ESPN, I've rethought my classifications, and changed them around a bit. The result is more four seam fastballs at the result of two seam fastballs and cutters.

As everyone knows by now, the New York Yankees traded their best young hitter in Jesus Montero to the Seattle Mariners for one of the best young pitchers in the game, Michael Pineda. If the rookie of the year award is intended for the pitcher who displayed the best true talent, it should have been Pineda. He's really good. In 2011 he struck out 9.11 batters per nine innings, and walked only 2.89. He does have some flyball tendencies (only a 36.3 GB%) which won't play well in the new Yankee Stadium, but let's not get carried away. A 3.36 SIERA plays well anywhere. He's only 22, so Rays fans may as well get to know him, as we'll be seeing him a lot over the next decade.

I've heard some people say that Pineda only has two pitches. I understand why they think so, but they're wrong. He throws a slider, and then he throws other things. These other things have big time rise or fantastic sink. They can have over 10 inches of run, or be completely straight. And they range from 86 mph to 98 mph, with very little clumping. It's not one pitch, but what is it (The MLBAM algorithm is confused on this, too)? Without any knowledge of what Pineda says he throws, I went with a four seam fastball that averages 94.8 mph, a two seam fastball at 94.1 mph, a cutter at 93.7 mph, a changeup at 87.6 mph, and of course the slider at 84.0 mph. Here is the movement of those pitches:

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Pitch f/x data from Joe Lefkowitz. All other data from Fangraphs.

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First off, here is Pineda's pitch mixture. His slider is his best pitch, and he throws it a lot. There are some concerns that heavy slider use makes a pitcher more injury prone. Don't take my numbers as meaning that he throws it more than his fastball, though. If you combine my three types of fastball (and my classifications are painfully far from gospel), you get 61% fastball, 30% slider, and 8% changeup. His changeup is a work in progress, but I wouldn't write it off (remember, he's only 22). Despite Pineda's flyball tendencies, the changeup actually got 51% ground balls when it was put in play last year (the slider 49%, the fastballs all under 30%).

Here is how Pineda used his pitches against right handed batters:

As you can see, Pineda largely leans on his slider down and away, and his fastball away, often up. He rarely uses the changeup to righties.

And here is how he used his pitches against left handed batters:

There's a steady diet of slider down and in, fastball up and away, and the changeup gets mixed in down and away.

Pineda is a fantastic pitcher already, and it's scary to think how good he can get if he stays healthy. He has very good control overall, but lots of room for improvement on his changeup. I wouldn't be surprised to see his fastball become a better pitch as well, especially if he starts working it in on the hitter's hands a bit more. Enjoy him, Yankee fans. Luke Scott and Matt Joyce might, but B.J. Upton, Sean Rodriguez, and we Rays fans probably won't.

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Oh, and if somebody disagrees with my classification, please go ahead and explain.

Part of me just wanted to call most of that a fastball, but another part of me thought the pitches on the extreme of the fastball clump were too dissimilar. I was pretty unsure where to draw the line between fastball types, though.

by Whelk on Jan 14, 2012 12:28 PM EST reply actions  

They may all be four seamers

By varying the pressure of either finger, he could be choosing when, where, and how he wants his fastball to move.

by MakeitRayn on Jan 14, 2012 2:11 PM EST up reply actions  

Good point.

And choosing is the right word. He doesn’t walk people, so it’s not a matter of not knowing where the fastball is going.

by Whelk on Jan 14, 2012 2:25 PM EST up reply actions  

Here's a Fangraphs thing on him.

http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/pinedas-pitches/

Apostoleris and Pavlidis, both more able pitch f/x guys than I, went with no cutter, and much less sinker (I call it the two seam fastball – same thing). They’re probably right, but the fastball does waver to the positive side of the graph a bit much to not have any cut.

On the other hand, they’re probably using park adjustments, too, so there may be less horizontal spread than I’m seeing, after all. Regardless, if you want to look at it their way, just consider FF, FT, and FC to all be FF, and it’ll come out about the same.

by Whelk on Jan 14, 2012 2:56 PM EST up reply actions  

No idea.

I assume what they’re looking at is just the red dots (on the very first graph) that are mixed in with all the blue changeup dots, and perhaps the central ones below the clump. I included a bunch more in the main clump with that (and called FT), they didn’t (and called it SI)

by Whelk on Jan 14, 2012 3:25 PM EST up reply actions  

Oh, and one more thing.

Look at the graph against lefties. Compared to what pitchers usually get against handed batters, Pineda got squeezed on the up and outside corner. It may have been a case of the rookie treatment. And he still only walked 2.89 per nine innings.

by Whelk on Jan 14, 2012 1:10 PM EST reply actions  

9 followers? just take it out of your sig, that's pathetic.

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by pudieron89 on Jan 14, 2012 6:39 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

I just signed up like three days ago

At this rate, I will own the twitterverse by 2035

Use the force, Lueke

by nomoredevil on Jan 14, 2012 8:35 PM EST up reply actions  

done!

I'm not a fanboy, I'm an awesome dude

by Jason Collette on Jan 14, 2012 9:52 PM EST up reply actions  

i love christian scifi!

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by pudieron89 on Jan 15, 2012 1:28 AM EST up reply actions  

don't mock it till you've tried

Honestly, I hate calling it “christian” cuz people automatically dismiss it. It’s fiction.

Use the force, Lueke

by nomoredevil on Jan 16, 2012 8:31 AM EST up reply actions  

Don't forget the strike zone enhancement that he'll get for being a Yankee.

Apparently wearing pinstripes make your pitches easier to call strikes. Think of it as the antonym of the “Hellickson effect”.

by VORP Speed Ahead! on Jan 14, 2012 3:28 PM EST reply actions  

The MLB on XM crew

is convinced Washington will sign Fielder and deal LaRoche to the Rays for a pitcher. I wonder if LaRoche is done, or if last year was just injuries and a down year?

by djp68 on Jan 15, 2012 12:08 PM EST reply actions  

He's 32 and 1 year removed from 6 consecutive 20+ HR seasons

including the last 3 at exactly 25 each. I doubt he’s done. But maybe.

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by SandalsNoPants on Jan 15, 2012 12:23 PM EST up reply actions  

his year was just like Scott's last year

except he has his shoulder surgery a month earlier. Other difference is his injury is also his back shoulder and not his front one

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by Jason Collette on Jan 15, 2012 8:36 PM EST up reply actions  

So it wouldn't be safe to assume that he's done.

Right?

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by SandalsNoPants on Jan 16, 2012 12:57 AM EST up reply actions  

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