Who Has The Better Rotation: Rays or Yanks?

A few disagreements:
Nova’s FIP lower than Hellickson’s? I think Hellickson’s will drop down quite a bit with a major improvement that is likely to happen with his K and BB rates.

Eh, I would list more out, but those projections seem very optimistic toward the Yankees.

I doubt any great than 5% of us think that will happen.

I understand listing Niems as the five over Wade, but at this point he should still at least be listed when you’re talking about depth, don’t you think?

Look..

Sabathia = ace
Pineda = really talented young arm that now has to pitch in the AL East and the guy found a way to have a HR problem in Seattle….. At least, in the 2nd half he did.
Kuroda = Kidding me? It explains itself, coming from the NL West to the AL East. I don’t expect much from him
Nova = If Ivan Nova was a Ray, those 16 wins would of been 10, he got incredibly overrated because of his winning streak. People forgot to look at how insane his run support was
As for their fight for #5, keep Burnett and Garcia away from my team and Hughes only dominated as a SU man IMO.

Shields = He is not a 2010 Shields type and he’s not a 2011 Shields type, he’s all those other years where this is very solid starting pitcher who doesn’t fall under pressure.
Price = The potential was shown in 2010 to people who just look at stats, like they did with Nova but in 2011, lots of wins were lost by the pen, his walks were down, his K’s were up and before a bat came flying at him, he has finally found a great change up. If he could just get that slider back…
Hellickson = Walks seem high but that’s actually pretty impressive because with his stuff, you would think you need to be perfect on every pitch to do well. He wasn’t perfect quite often and he did very well.
Moore = He’s the shiny new toy syndrome but the guy has a chance to be our best SP in his rookie year.
Neimann = Tale of 2 pitchers. If he’s healthy, he might be the best on the staff, if he is injured again, it’s pretty brutal to watch

The forgotten guys
Wade Davis = Inconsistent and really messes with your patience but another above average SP who does fine under pressure and he’s the guy fighting for #5 or a bullpen spot if there isn’t a trade.
Alex Cobb = Almost any other team has this guy in the rotation breaking camp. He is so much like Hellickson, he might be even better, yeah I went there because Cobb’s split change can’t be hit. Helly may outsmart you but he doesn’t have that uninhabitable pitch.

And for the record, I would probably take Archer and Torres over there 2 B’s but all 4 walk too many people.

If an injury occurs who will take the ball for NYY? Rays have Davis, Cobb, and Torres in place of Niemann or whoever may get injured. I also don’t see Nova having a better FIP than Hellickson.

The Athletics acquired outfielder Seth Smith from the Rockies for righty Guillermo Moscoso and lefty Josh Outman, according to the Rockies’ Twitter feed.

Pineda is really good. Kuroda is pretty good, too. The AL East isn’t about to crush them. Let’s not let our heads get too big.

I don’t think anyone here is buying Nova because of the wins, but he is a decent young pitcher. Doesn’t strike enough out, but gets ground balls and throws strikes. Overrated by many, but a decent enough back of the rotation. I’d rather have Helly, by a long shot.

I think the Rays rotation is still better, but it is closer. The Yankees, if they stay healthy, might be a 100 win team. The Red Sox, with a little bit of luck could be there too. And so could the Rays. There’s nothing magical about the division that makes it impossible for good players from elsewhere to come in and have success. It’s just that there’s a lot of good players concentrated on three teams.

CC
Price
Shields
Moore
Pineda
Kuroda
Hellickson
Nova
Niemann/Davis
Burnett

How the heck did some teams have more games than others?