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Rays Official Press Release on Announced Contracts

The following is the official press release from the Rays on deals with RHP Burke Badenhop, LHP J. P. Howell, LHP David Price and OF B. J. Upton:


RAYS AGREE TO ONE-YEAR CONTRACTS, AVOID ARBITRATION WITH BADENHOP, HOWELL, PRICE AND UPTON

ST. PETERSBURG, FL—The Tampa Bay Rays have agreed to a one-year contracts and avoided arbitration with pitchers Burke Badenhop, J.P. Howell and David Price and center fielder B.J. Upton.

Badenhop, who turns 29 on February 8, will earn $1.075 million. In 2011 he went 2-3 with a 4.10 ERA (63.2-IP, 29-ER) in 50 relief appearances for the Florida Marlins. From the time of his May 7 call-up through the end of the season, the righthander led Marlins relievers with 63.2 innings pitched. He was acquired by the Rays from the Marlins in exchange for catcher Jake Jefferies on December 12.

Howell, 28, will earn $1.35 million. The left-handed reliever returned to the Rays in 2011 after missing the entire 2010 season due to left shoulder surgery. He was reinstated from the disabled list on May 20 and then spent the rest of the season in the majors, making 46 appearances out of the bullpen and posting a 2-3 record and 6.16 ERA (30.2-IP, 21-ER). In five seasons with the Rays, he has compiled a 4.21 ERA and 279 strikeouts.

Price, 26, will earn $4.35 million. The Rays Opening Day starter in 2011 went 12-13 with a 3.49 ERA (224.1-IP, 87-ER) in a team-high 34 starts last year and earned his second All-Star selection. He ranked fifth in the AL in strikeouts (218), ninth in innings pitched (224.1) and eighth in opponents’ batting average (.230) and held lefties to a .171 average (36-for-210), lowest among major league starters. In four seasons with the Rays, he is 41-26 with a 3.38 ERA.

Upton, 27, will earn $7 million. The center fielder hit 23 home runs with 36 stolen bases last year, numbers matched by only two other major league players: the Los Angeles Dodgers center fielder Matt Kemp (39-HR, 40-SB) and Boston Red Sox center fielder Jacoby Ellsbury (32-HR, 39-SB). He is the longest-tenured member of the Rays roster, with one more day of service time than James Shields.

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Price might of just helped us resign Pena

Upton…well, it’s a contract year so optimism is needed despite the high number (for the Rays)

Matt Moore. That is all.

by joeybw on Jan 17, 2012 1:39 PM EST reply actions  

HAVE

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by pudieron89 on Jan 17, 2012 2:45 PM EST up reply actions  

HAVE

This meme definitely has a shelf life to it

by Jason Collette on Dec 29, 2011 11:31 AM EST upreplyactions

So do you.

BOOM. ROASTED!

by SandalsNoPants on Dec 29, 2011 11:32 AM EST upreply Rec Flag

by sc_monsta1015 on Jan 17, 2012 3:19 PM EST up reply actions  

RE-SIGN

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by Jonah Keri on Jun 19, 2010 10:31 PM EDT

by Doug09 on Jan 17, 2012 5:25 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah good call on your part.

That deal is a steal for the Rays. Very team-friendly. I think it bodes well towards working out a long-term deal too.

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by John Gregg on Jan 17, 2012 2:05 PM EST up reply actions  

MLBTR has over 6.5

Original number we were kicking around these parts was somewhere from 5.5 to 5.9M

Either way, 4.35M is a damn steal

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by Jason Collette on Jan 17, 2012 2:26 PM EST up reply actions  

This.

I think they were projecting what Lincecum earned as part of his two year deal that bought out his first two years of arb.

by jcmitchell on Jan 17, 2012 2:32 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm pretty sure this is the largest discrepancy so far this year.

Matt’s model has been dead on almost every time, which makes this even crazier for me. Price could’ve gotten more, but it seems he chose to sign for less.

I love Casey Fossum. Now try and take me seriously.

by Steve Slowinski on Jan 17, 2012 3:44 PM EST up reply actions  

Good comp.

There’s such a wide gulf in pitcher arb results. Hamles works for Price, but his agent could have pulled out some big guns if he wanted.

I love Casey Fossum. Now try and take me seriously.

by Steve Slowinski on Jan 17, 2012 4:09 PM EST up reply actions  

3 years difference though, even with minor inflation you'd expect a bit more.

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by pudieron89 on Jan 17, 2012 4:16 PM EST up reply actions  

Impending extension please

#delusionstoday

I put the screw IN THE TUNA!

by Transplanted on Jan 17, 2012 3:53 PM EST up reply actions  

This has to mean one of three things:

1) Rays are really trying to acquire someone big, big enough to make Price think they are going to win this year
2) Price is going to extend with the Rays
3) Rays agreed to trade Price to a team that can extend him
Am I missing something?

by playjoyce on Jan 17, 2012 2:15 PM EST reply actions  

I was saying he was helping them get Pena because

Pena/power bat traded for = more wins, maybe on days Prices started which then = more money for Price

Something along those lines. He helps them for 2012 and himself for 2013 and beyond.

Matt Moore. That is all.

by joeybw on Jan 17, 2012 2:20 PM EST up reply actions  

^^^OCD^^^

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by sternfan1 on Jan 17, 2012 2:41 PM EST up reply actions  

lol

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by pudieron89 on Jan 17, 2012 2:47 PM EST up reply actions  

Corque Gaynez*

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by pudieron89 on Jan 17, 2012 2:47 PM EST up reply actions  

this is good news

but it will be great news if the rays actually use those savings to put towards another bat, because at the end of the day do any of us really care if our payroll is $57 mil instead of $60 mil next season

by LukeBaileysaStud on Jan 17, 2012 2:36 PM EST reply actions  

trading neimann + price's discount = carlos pena

The guy is nasty on the mound when healthy and just nasty looking rest of the time. He’s nasty all year round, who wouldn’t want that?

Matt Moore. That is all.

by joeybw on Jan 17, 2012 2:37 PM EST up reply actions  

I just don't understand the love affair with Pena.

Would you be upset if they brought in Kotch over Pena? Kotch had a better WAR than Pena last year.

by playjoyce on Jan 17, 2012 2:39 PM EST up reply actions  

yes.

if salaries were equal (or even within a few mil) i’d prefer peña on a 1 yr deal

by LukeBaileysaStud on Jan 17, 2012 2:41 PM EST up reply actions  

Let's not pretend that Kotchman has any chance of replicating his 2011

But you’re right that people here are overrating Pena (largely for emotional reasons) and that the gap isn’t as large as it may seem

by benderbrodriguez on Jan 17, 2012 5:06 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't think it is that much of a sentimental pick...

Pena’s got a track record of being the all around better offensive player

Boom. Outta Here.

by Ryan Gilliss on Jan 17, 2012 5:16 PM EST up reply actions  

And he's the best option currently available

Still destroys RHP, we can figure out LHP later.

I put the screw IN THE TUNA!

by Transplanted on Jan 17, 2012 5:20 PM EST up reply actions  

And

we lost Damon the clubhouse leader. Team chemistry is worth something. Ask the Jets.

by joaker5 on Jan 17, 2012 6:25 PM EST up reply actions  

AF desperately combing the remaining players on the market with "clubhouse leadership" abilities

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by pudieron89 on Jan 17, 2012 6:31 PM EST up reply actions  

Quick roster projection with salary figures:

Player 2012 salary
James Shields $7.00
BJ Upton $7.00
Luke Scott $5.00
Ben Zobrist $4.50
Evan Longoria $4.50
Kyle Farnsworth $3.30
Joel Peralta $2.18
David Price $4.35
JP Howell $1.35
Burke Badenhop $1.08
Wade Davis $1.50
Jose Molina $1.80
Fernando Rodney $2.00
Matt Moore $1.00
Jeff Niemann* $3.10
Sean Rodriguez $0.50
Matt Joyce $0.50
Reid Brignac $0.50
Jeremy Hellickson $0.50
Sam Fuld $0.50
Cesar Ramos $0.50
Jake McGee $0.50
Elliot Johnson $0.50
Brandon Gomes $0.50
Brandon Guyer $0.50
Total $54.65

Anyone else would get the minimum unless we sign a FA. Still a little money to play with. We’re about $20 mill. under 2010 and $10 under 2009. Wouldn’t be surprised if we still had $10 mill to sign a FA.

by rglass44 on Jan 17, 2012 2:37 PM EST reply actions  

Isnt shields at 8 mil

500k for performance incentives and 500k for where he finished in cy young voting

by BossmanJunior333 on Jan 17, 2012 3:27 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Is that right?

This meme definitely has a shelf life to it

by Jason Collette on Dec 29, 2011 11:31 AM EST upreplyactions

So do you.

BOOM. ROASTED!

by SandalsNoPants on Dec 29, 2011 11:32 AM EST upreply Rec Flag

by sc_monsta1015 on Jan 17, 2012 3:32 PM EST up reply actions  

also

is it really considered a “savings” like we are referring to it as if this is what friedman had projected all along?

by LukeBaileysaStud on Jan 17, 2012 2:38 PM EST reply actions  

My JP Howell jersey gets an extension as well

Here’s hoping I can wear it this year without a bag over my head.

Use the force, Lueke

by nomoredevil on Jan 17, 2012 2:38 PM EST reply actions  

Quick roster projection with salary figures:

Player 2012 salary
James Shields $7.00
BJ Upton $7.00
Luke Scott $5.00
Ben Zobrist $4.50
Evan Longoria $4.50
Kyle Farnsworth $3.30
Joel Peralta $2.18
David Price $4.35
JP Howell $1.35
Burke Badenhop $1.08
Wade Davis $1.50
Jose Molina $1.80
Fernando Rodney $2.00
Matt Moore $1.00
Jeff Niemann* $3.10
Sean Rodriguez $0.50
Matt Joyce $0.50
Reid Brignac $0.50
Jeremy Hellickson $0.50
Sam Fuld $0.50
Cesar Ramos $0.50
Jake McGee $0.50
Elliot Johnson $0.50
Brandon Gomes $0.50
Brandon Guyer $0.50
Total $54.65

Anyone else would get the minimum unless we sign a FA. Still a little money to play with. We’re about $20 mill. under 2010 and $10 under 2009. Wouldn’t be surprised if we still had $10 mill to sign a FA.

by rglass44 on Jan 17, 2012 2:38 PM EST reply actions  

At least $5mil

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by sternfan1 on Jan 17, 2012 2:40 PM EST up reply actions  

Is that right?

This meme definitely has a shelf life to it

by Jason Collette on Dec 29, 2011 11:31 AM EST upreplyactions

So do you.

BOOM. ROASTED!

by SandalsNoPants on Dec 29, 2011 11:32 AM EST upreply Rec Flag

by sc_monsta1015 on Jan 17, 2012 3:32 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm choosing Pena

A lot of people might go elsewhere but not only the homers and the defense. Pena was like a 2nd pitching coach, he would come over and talk to the pitchers. That guy was even able to calm Garza down

Matt Moore. That is all.

by joeybw on Jan 17, 2012 2:44 PM EST up reply actions  

Notes from the Price conference call

-He kept out of the whole thing and let his agent and Friedman work out all of it
-Avoiding arbitration is a sigh of relief; loves being a Ray and is very happy
-Awesome to tie a record as a first time arb guy but knows Kershaw is going to break it quickly
-Loves the community, the clubhouse, the staff. Would love to work something out longterm but knows it is a business
-If they hit the ball to center & it’s not leaving the yard, Upton has a great chance to make a play. Thinks he could be a MVP candidate in 2012
-Loves the new additions, especially adding Luke Scott. Would love to have the 2009/2010 version of him and thinks Scott will fit in well with the team because he likes to have a good time in the dugout
-We have a good time on the field, a good time in the clubhouse, a good time on road trips. People want to be here
-No plans for any new toys outside of getting Astro something nice

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by Jason Collette on Jan 17, 2012 2:45 PM EST reply actions  

Good stuff.

Upton MVP candidate though? That’s interesting.

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by John Gregg on Jan 17, 2012 2:50 PM EST up reply actions  

not really, players talking highly of their teammates is not really surprising at all.

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by pudieron89 on Jan 17, 2012 2:54 PM EST up reply actions  

this is a good point...

it’s like the 620 guys interviewing the radio announcers for the teams that employ assistants the Bucs are considering. Of course they all think the guy is going to be a great head coach.

Boom. Outta Here.

by Ryan Gilliss on Jan 17, 2012 2:58 PM EST up reply actions  

i fully expect upton to have a fantastic year playing for a contract, but for anyone to say he's MVP-caliber is just talking him up a bit.

which is fine but i don’t give any credence to it.

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by pudieron89 on Jan 17, 2012 3:00 PM EST up reply actions  

Right not surprising at all actually.

I meant to say “really?”

Although it would be nice if he was.

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by John Gregg on Jan 17, 2012 3:01 PM EST up reply actions  

Price keeps saying how much he loves it here.

We get it, you want a long term deal. We want a long term deal. Lower that asking price.

Matt Moore. That is all.

by joeybw on Jan 17, 2012 2:46 PM EST reply actions  

with $4.35MM as an arb1 salary

it’s pretty easy to plug in a long-term deal that replaces his 2012 salary with $5MM, another modest signing bonus, then three more arb years at 7, 9, and 11, plus one or two option years at 14, plus modest buyouts.

So that’d be 4 years/32MM guaranteed with a max of 6 years/60MM. That should be doable.

by AndrewTorrez on Jan 17, 2012 10:12 PM EST up reply actions  

Totally OT: Heading to Spring Training with my dad this year

Suggestions on where in the park I should try to get tickets for?

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by Imperialism32 on Jan 17, 2012 2:49 PM EST reply actions  

Across from the Rays dugout

Try to see if Upton gets annoyed by Luke Scott.

Matt Moore. That is all.

by joeybw on Jan 17, 2012 2:51 PM EST up reply actions  

park in lot 69, sit in section 420, bring binoculars

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by pudieron89 on Jan 17, 2012 2:52 PM EST up reply actions  

I went and just got boardwalk seats.

Look it up online before you go, some games during the week are buy-one-get-one-free. Get there early enough to get a bar spot in the Florida sun behind center, and enjoy 4 dollar beers!.

by MakeitRayn on Jan 17, 2012 3:22 PM EST up reply actions  

$46,706,000 of committed payroll

With Niemann and the other tenders to come

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by Jason Collette on Jan 17, 2012 2:53 PM EST via iPhone app reply actions  

It's roughly 56, 57 million

And especially if we trade Neimann, we should be able to afford Los, thanks to Price.

Matt Moore. That is all.

by joeybw on Jan 17, 2012 2:54 PM EST up reply actions  

Isn't Stu talking about a new stadium today also?

Wonder how that’s going.

Matt Moore. That is all.

by joeybw on Jan 17, 2012 2:59 PM EST reply actions  

.
Yay another year of strikeouts looking. Nobody is lazier in baseball than Upton. Why couldn’t Rays trade him for someone who cares, will swing the bat, and show some hustle? Put Desmond Jennings CF, Joyce RF, Fuld LF and rotate replacements. Poor move in my opinion.

by Hatfield on Jan 17, 2012 3:07 PM EST reply actions  

That ignit

Upton is swung at more pitches IN and OUT of the zone last year

by MakeitRayn on Jan 17, 2012 3:26 PM EST up reply actions  

...and Upton

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by Imperialism32 on Jan 17, 2012 3:35 PM EST up reply actions  

This is a DRB fanpost comment in about 1 year.

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by Jonah Keri on Jun 19, 2010 10:31 PM EDT

by Doug09 on Jan 17, 2012 5:28 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm actually quite shocked to see how little we will be paying Price.

I thought we were fine to get Pena even if Price was making that $7M, but now……WE CAN GET PRINCE!!!!

This meme definitely has a shelf life to it

by Jason Collette on Dec 29, 2011 11:31 AM EST upreplyactions

So do you.

BOOM. ROASTED!

by SandalsNoPants on Dec 29, 2011 11:32 AM EST upreply Rec Flag

by sc_monsta1015 on Jan 17, 2012 3:26 PM EST reply actions  

Looks like another team is gonna need a DH

Victor Martinez is out for the year.

Matt Moore. That is all.

by joeybw on Jan 17, 2012 3:26 PM EST reply actions  

Or Cespedes

They have been linked to him a lot already. This may intensify their pursuit.

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by John Gregg on Jan 17, 2012 3:34 PM EST reply actions  

Somewhere Pena is smiling

That maybe part time DH gig in NY just became possibly a signing competition between the Indians(who have been interested) and the Tigers(who now have a major opening).
Maybe the Rays have an interest but I have to think the price tag just went up.

by budman3 on Jan 17, 2012 4:53 PM EST reply actions  

I think the Tigers are aiming higher

I’m tellin ya, sleeper Fielder team.

Matt Moore. That is all.

by joeybw on Jan 17, 2012 4:58 PM EST up reply actions  

Cecil

How can Prince hate his dad. He got such good genes. about a size 62 it looks like.

by joaker5 on Jan 17, 2012 6:30 PM EST up reply actions  

terrible.

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by pudieron89 on Jan 17, 2012 6:31 PM EST up reply actions  

corny

Just remember, if it wasn’t for corny jokes we wouldn’t know what good jokes were.

by joaker5 on Jan 17, 2012 7:58 PM EST up reply actions  

As I was writing it

the back of my mind was saying, “Does he even get a long with his dad?” Should have paid more attention to the back of my mind.

by Hipster Doofus on Jan 17, 2012 7:07 PM EST up reply actions  

more like almost sandusky'd

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by pudieron89 on Jan 17, 2012 10:33 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm going to make this point again

From 2009 to 2011 vs RHP (since we can all agree Pena can’t hit lefties)

Pena: .369 wOBA; 130 wRC+
Betemit: .364 wOBA; 126 wRC+

Is Betemit’s offensive value enough to tip the scale that Friedman has referred to when trying to find a bat? If not, why not go get both? Detroit could now bring him back since he hit well for them after the trade but now that the Pena market has opened up with at least another team, time to look at other options just in case.

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by Jason Collette on Jan 18, 2012 6:26 AM EST up reply actions  

Would it be so bad if the Rays weren't allowed to move but got a new stadium anyway?

I think attendance would shoot up simply because of shiny new toy syndrome if the Rays got a new stadium. Which would mean, they can actually be active in free agency.

Matt Moore. That is all.

by joeybw on Jan 17, 2012 5:02 PM EST reply actions  

Welp, Marlins are more screwed than I thought then

And I already thought they were pretty screwed with that Reyes deal being so back loaded just to sign Pujols….then not signing Pujols.

Matt Moore. That is all.

by joeybw on Jan 17, 2012 5:15 PM EST up reply actions  

As long as they are happening!
Friedman said Price’s love for organization is mutual, but team will not comment publically on contract talks #Rays

Matt Moore. That is all.

by joeybw on Jan 17, 2012 5:17 PM EST reply actions  

Seriously, Price is all about the Rays.

It’s pretty cool to see a guy as into his team as he is.

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by SandalsNoPants on Jan 17, 2012 6:28 PM EST up reply actions  

So that Keppinger account appears real after all

This is one addition I’m not too excited about.

Matt Moore. That is all.

by joeybw on Jan 17, 2012 5:45 PM EST reply actions  

WHAT? YOU'RE NOT PUMPED FOR JEFF KEPPINGER?

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by Jonah Keri on Jun 19, 2010 10:31 PM EDT

by Doug09 on Jan 17, 2012 5:47 PM EST up reply actions  

I love how that Longoria draft worked out

Lincecum makes 17 million this season if he LOSES, he asked for 21 million. Longo will bring in 4.5 million this season.

Matt Moore. That is all.

by joeybw on Jan 17, 2012 5:56 PM EST reply actions  

Dodgers may be sending David a thank you note also.

Kershaw asked for 10 million, Dodgers offered 6.5 and I’m thinking Price will get the Dodgers to win.

Matt Moore. That is all.

by joeybw on Jan 17, 2012 6:24 PM EST reply actions  

joey-level grammar in a response to joey...fair.

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by pudieron89 on Jan 17, 2012 6:32 PM EST up reply actions  

Then he will make 2.75

We don’t lose.

Matt Moore. That is all.

by joeybw on Jan 17, 2012 6:30 PM EST up reply actions  

No way he gets the $3.2

This meme definitely has a shelf life to it

by Jason Collette on Dec 29, 2011 11:31 AM EST upreplyactions

So do you.

BOOM. ROASTED!

by SandalsNoPants on Dec 29, 2011 11:32 AM EST upreply Rec Flag

by sc_monsta1015 on Jan 17, 2012 7:44 PM EST up reply actions  

What happens

to Niemann’s arbitration #’s if he gets traded before the hearing?

by ttnorm on Jan 17, 2012 10:06 PM EST up reply actions  

Garza is asking for 10.22 million these days

I think we traded him at the right time.

Matt Moore. That is all.

by joeybw on Jan 17, 2012 6:35 PM EST reply actions  

The way they rush their prospects, they are more likely to....joseph spelling alert

That top 3B prospect they have has a better chance of making the team now than being traded for a pitcer. They rushed Porcello, Perry, possibly Turner, we will see about him.

Matt Moore. That is all.

by joeybw on Jan 17, 2012 6:41 PM EST up reply actions  

How does arbitration work?

Do players in Arb3 get 100% of market value or 80%?

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by SandalsNoPants on Jan 17, 2012 7:21 PM EST reply actions  

In theory...

40, 60, 80% for the 3 Arby years.

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