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Strike Out Less!

Many of us have expressed our thoughts on B.J. Upton's strikeouts from time to time throughout his career with the Rays.

  • "Sounds silly at this level but maybe he can't see."
  • "It’s always been that crappy tinted thing, but whatever it is with him, it is frustrating to see. He does appear to be fooled by strikes more than other guys. I don’t care if he swings and misses because it isn’t like he’s up there taking huge hacks."
  • "With his ridiculously long swing,he NEVER will consistently hit for a high average.Sure, he may have the bat speed, but his swing leaves far too much margin for error.The vast majority of successful hitters swings are short and quick to the ball."
  • "...he is a guess hitter, plain and simple. There is little attempt to recognize pitches and even less to understand how the pitcher is trying to work his at bat. The watching of so many hittable pitches that he takes, especially down the middle, and the missing of just as many sliders away and out of the strike zone, to me means he is looking for a certain pitch and his mind is usually made up that he will either swing or not swing."
  • "The worst part, IMO, is when he gets jobbed by the umpires in 3-2 counts because of their vendetta."

Whelk and the artist formerly known as Sandy Kazmir both did excellent articles last year examining Upton's struggles on called third strikes as well as his struggles to predict pitch movement. But has anyone stopped to consider what a season might look like if Upton were to cut down on his strikeout rate and how much of a gain could be made this year if that was his primary goal?

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Luckily, we do not even have to look back very far in Upton's own history as he made significant progress in his second full season in the league. His 2007 season was fun to watch as he posted a .387 wOBA in 129 games but also struck out in 28 percent of his plate appearances while walking in 12 percent of them. The 2008 season was one Rays fans will never forget, but one Upton might want to forget as his season was marred by a shoulder injury that eventually led to off-season surgery. He injured the shoulder on May 1st that season. In his own words, he could not swing with power after that, so the side effect of that was making more contact.

"If I could swing the way I wanted to, there would be less doubles and more homers," Upton said. "A lot of my doubles have been off the wall or they one-hop the wall. If I could have really put a full swing into it, I think the story would be a little different."

Since recovering from that surgery, his strikeout rate has climbed back up to the mid-20 percent range but never as high as it was in that 2007 season while his wOBA over the past two seasons is 50 points lower than it was in 2007.

Anyone who has watched or listened to a Rays game has heard a local or national announcer point to Upton's high-maintenance swing, its length, or a combination of both. We have also seen Upton tinker with his own swing within a season, most recently around this past Labor Day when he made this subtle change:

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Upton's K% in September was 24 percent, but that was also where he was at in June and July last season so the change in swing may have helped him make better contact as he OPS'd nearly 1000 during the final weeks but not necessarily helped him make more contact.

In trying to visualize what a single season improvement could look like, I had the guys at Baseball Prospectus pull a pool of 500 players over the past five seasons (minimum 400 PA) that showed single season changes in strikeout rates. The largest improvement by any hitter came from arguably the largest hitter in the sample pool: David Ortiz.

In 2010, Ortiz struck out 145 times in 606 plate appearances - a rate of 24 percent. In 2011, Ortiz struck out just 83 times in 605 plate appearances which dropped his rate to 14 percent (a 43 percent improvement). From 2004 to 2008, Ortiz's strikeout rate improved each season from 20 percent down to 15 percent. In 2009 and 2010, that rate spiked back up over 20 percent to the career worst 24 percent last season. In one season, Ortiz turned around a career-worst strikeout rate into a career best strikeout rate while raising a strong .380 wOBA to a hearty .405 wOBA last season.

The next best improvement is from our old friend Delmon Young. Young struck out in 22 percent of his plate appearances in 2009 as he struck out 92 times in just 416 plate appearances. In 2010, Young reduced his strikeout rate 40 percent by striking out just 81 times in 613 plate appearances and had the best season of his young career.

Overall, only seven percent of the player pool showed at least a 25 percent improvement in their strikeout percentage from one season to the next. Those players were Ortiz, Young, David Eckstein, Aramis Ramirez, Bengie Molina, Miguel Tejada, Martin Prado, Jose Reyes, Dioner Navarro, Vladimir Guerrero, Pedro Feliz, Corey Patterson, Marlon Byrd, Carl Crawford, Mark Teixeira, Troy Tulowitzki, Jose Bautista, Justin Upton, Jacque Jones, Michael Young, David Murphy, Vernon Wells, Brian Giles, Kevin Youkilis, Joe Mauer, Troy Glaus, Mike Napoli, Austin Kearns, Ryan Theriot, Jamey Carroll, Hanley Ramirez, Jim Edmonds, Jeff Kent, B.J. Upton, and Billy Butler. A cornucopia of young, old, sluggers, and slap hitters if you will. The one common bond with most of them is that they had a reputation as high contact hitters at one stage or another in their career and many of them were/are free-swingers with little plate discipline.

74 percent of the player pool showed a positive improvement from one season to the next with the average improvement of the group being 13 percent. Even if you wanted to have faith that Upton could make significant improvements in making contact with his swings, simply improving at that 13 percent rate would still leave him with a 22 percent strikeout rate.

Upton may never be a guy that strikes out less than 20 percent of the time in his career, but this also may be the last season Rays fans get to scrutinize his at bats with him just one year away from free agency. ZiPS has Upton hitting .240/.329/.411 with 19 home runs and 42 stolen bases while striking out a team-leading 169 times.PECOTA is more pessimistic showing a .237/.326/.391 line with 16 home runs and 36 stolen bases while the fan projections at Fangraphs say he will hit .253/.335/.446 with 23 home runs and 42 steals. If we look at Upton's final four months of 2011, we see a player whose wOBA improved each month from .285 to .294, to .305 to .449 to close out the season, all while essentially maintaining the same strikeout rate.

If you are a believer in contract years (you shouldn't be) then you should be happy in 2012. If you think that theory is poppycock, then try to appreciate what is to come rather than what may not.

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Nice post Jason, and I appreciate the positive outlook.

There is so much negativity around B.J. every year, some of it deserved and some unfair. I think his increased wOBA shows a lot of promise for his final year, and even if that doesn’t continue – the front office sure seams to believe in Bossman, and we should too.

by d.russ on Jan 19, 2012 12:24 PM EST reply actions  

Thanks

the .449 wOBA in September is quite the outlier against the other three, but the upward trend is definitely encouraging.

by Jason Collette on Jan 19, 2012 12:32 PM EST up reply actions  

Even assuming that he's not trending upward

which he likely will, having just turned 27, it’s hard to believe that a fanbase could be so unhappy with a good defensive CF who has averaged 4 WAR and a 115 wRC+ over the last 5 years.

by XrayYankeeZulu on Jan 19, 2012 12:39 PM EST up reply actions  

.322 OBP over the last three years

No doubt it’s frustrating to watch him at the plate. His defense is underrated, yes.

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by Imperialism32 on Jan 19, 2012 12:45 PM EST up reply actions  

What about Upton's increases in O-swing% and Z-swing%, correlating with an increase in contact as well?

Not only is he swinging at them more frequently (25.3% to 27.3%; 68.2% to 70.7%), he is also having better contact ( o-swig 55.2% to 60.7%; z-swing 80.5% to 84%).

by MakeitRayn on Jan 19, 2012 12:53 PM EST reply actions  

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Nice article Jason, love your stuff. Even with his K rate and ability to frustrate the fans who want to see him breakout and become his brother, BJ’s defense is so great to watch. He has saved so many runs and is a pleasure to watch in the OF. Stealing 40 plus bases and hitting 20 bombs is nice too, even if his average is poor. He is better than we realize at times and if he corrects a couple small things, he could be even better than Justin.

by GiantSquid on Jan 19, 2012 1:08 PM EST reply actions  

"Stealing 40 plus bases and hitting 20 bombs is nice too"

ooh, I know this one! “Things B.J. Upton has never done together in the same season”

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by Imperialism32 on Jan 19, 2012 1:11 PM EST up reply actions  

Still so upset she wasn't there last night.

Our waitress totally walked up while I had a Novak action shot up on my phone to compare though.

Why yes, waitress, I do look at this stuff during happy hour at a table with three other people.

by Hatfield on Jan 19, 2012 2:07 PM EST up reply actions  

I can't figure people out

the two most polarizing athletes for the teams I follow are BJ Upton and Grady Sizemore.

Sizemore is known as KKKrady Sizemore an he can do know right (even before the injuries he was nothing more than a faster Matt Stairs).

The only things I criticize BJ for are his lapses on the basepaths and throwing to the wrong base.

But, as I said many times over the last year…I don’t want him traded, I’d love to sign him to an extension, and I’ll take all of his faults and put him in CF and in Rays lineup everyday.

by MrNegative1 on Jan 19, 2012 2:23 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Both guilty of same thing

Great numbers, then slide down when people expected them to trend the other way

by Jason Collette on Jan 19, 2012 2:49 PM EST up reply actions  

If you are looking to live in an area

without uneducated fans, good luck with that.

We live in upstate NY, a good 3 hours from NYC. The last decade I don’t think I’ve met one Yankee fan who didn’t think A-Rod was useless, anti-clutch, and not half the player Jeter is. Nor have I met a single Yankee fan who didn’t think Jeter was one of the best shortstops to ever play baseball.

Wherever you go you will find moronic fans dominating the conversation. The vitriol toward A-Rod last decade, not even recognizing him as being one of the best hitters in the game, dwarfs any opinion of BJ “being lazy” in my opinion. And believe me, it kills me to defend A-Rod.

by djp68 on Jan 20, 2012 8:31 AM EST up reply actions  

'Nor have I met a single Yankee fan who didn’t think Jeter was one of the best shortstops to ever play baseball."

…He is, assume 8th counts as one of the best (he’ll move to 7th assuming he manages to accumulate 1.1 WAR in 2012. Moving up to 6th might be in reach by the end of his career.

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by Imperialism32 on Jan 20, 2012 9:42 AM EST up reply actions  

Actually I was referring to his defensive career

Should have been more clear. Yeah, Yankee fans think this guy is a shade below Ozzie Smith or something.

But I agree that overall, he is one of the best to ever play shortstop once you factor in the bat. And really seems like a likable guy too. But it’s hard to like someone who the fans slobber over.

by djp68 on Jan 20, 2012 5:42 PM EST up reply actions  

I have always felt that BJ

would be loved and appreciated much more if he was batting 6-7-8, instead of near the top of the order. The perception of a 2-3-4 hitter is a guy who can put the ball in play a little more often, or can at least rack up a .350+ wOBA. He’s not been that guy since 2007, and it is wrong for us to criticize him for being depended upon too heavily.

Unfortunately with the lack of bats on the team the past few years, Upton has been consistently asked to be a big run producer.

I keep waiting for him to make a run toward 2007 again, and at his age it could still happen. But there is nothing wrong with a .320-.335 wOBA guy who plays pretty good defense. I think a lot of the blame should fall on the shoulders of management for making Upton have to be a featured bat in this lineup.

If Luke Scott mashes, and we can add one good bat, I’d like to see Upton move down in the order and give us some potential lightning toward the end of the lineup. Then maybe people will lower their expectations and get off his back.

by djp68 on Jan 19, 2012 5:52 PM EST reply actions  

Statistics back up your point

However I think in the context of elongating a lineup, it probably does make a difference. In 2011, the bottom of our order was nothing more than a black hole. It was an opportunity for pitchers to relax. Compare that to the Yankees or Rangers, where a pitcher is mentally taxed from #1 to #9.

I just think if we could get one more hitter so that someone with BJ’s talent was lurking near the bottom of the order, it would put a lot more pressure on opposing pitchers. I admit, as fans we probably overrate these effects.

by djp68 on Jan 20, 2012 8:25 AM EST up reply actions  

Prince Fielder turned the same trick last season, albeit to a lesser degree

His K% was 15.3 last season versus a remarkable consistent 19.2-19.3% the previous 3 seasons. Given that his other peripherals stayed at his established levels, the reduction in Ks was enough to create a career year

by benderbrodriguez on Jan 19, 2012 7:37 PM EST reply actions  

Low contact

hitters usually don’t improve much from year to year, unless they start thinking that the rally killing and so on that comes with so many missed swings and K’s will cost them sooner rather than later. Most K guys never give up trying to be Babe Ruth or Willie Mays, and soon enough they are Pete Incaviglia. Upton is still young enough to figure it out, hit 15-20 home runs a year, and increase his contact rate to average or better.

Would seeing how Vlad Guerrero does it, swing so much and make contact so much, make a difference? Maybe, maybe not.

by dsciswe on Jan 19, 2012 11:16 PM EST reply actions  

Looking back at Papi in 2010

His strikeout rates by month: 33, 26, 21, 29, 22, and 17. The drop in K% from just July to September was a harbinger of his 2011 success.

by Jason Collette on Jan 19, 2012 11:46 PM EST up reply actions  

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