The Rays Tank: Rays Sign Will Rhymes, St. Pete Chipotle Franchises Rejoice
After talking with Ryan Theriot and Jeff Keppinger recently, the Rays finally signed a backup utility infielder: Will Rhymes. As Tommy Rancel notes over at ESPN Florida, Rhymes is built in a similar mold as Theriot: he's a contact hitter with low power and a good walk rate, although his infield defense is at best average. He primarily played second base for the Tigers last season, but he's played all over the diamond in the minor leagues and the Rays will likely use that flexibility as much as possible.
The Rays signed Rhymes to a minor league deal, so he's cheap and can easily be demoted to the minors if he doesn't win a roster spot in spring training. He will likely be competing with Elliot Johnson for the utility infield roster spot, and it could be a close race. Johnson seems to be the better defender of the two, but Rhymes has more offensive upside and is a weapon on the base paths.
Rhymes is outgoing and slightly eccentric, which should help him fit in well in the Rays clubhouse. He runs a vocal Twitter account (@willrhymes), and much like Kelly Shoppach's obsession with Starbucks, he's a Chipotle connoisseur. Luckily for him there's a Chipotle not too far away from the Trop, so he'll be able to get his fix whenever he needs it.
Everyone got your #LegendofWillRhymes hastag ready to go? I could easily see Rhymes becoming a fan favorite if he makes the club, so we'll have to see how things shake out this spring.
- In other news, the Indians are still interested in Carlos Pena and Casey Kotchman. It's okay, Indians - I know you don't want to steal away our first baseman, but it's seriously okay to sign Kotchamn. He deserves lots of money and a multi-year deal after his 2011 season, don't you think? We'll just have to make due with Pena, I suppose.
- As pointed out in a thread yesterday, Johnny Gomes is going to be on the same team as Coco Crisp? I can't say I saw this coming.
- So Fausto Carmona is the latest player to get exposed as playing under a false identity. His real name is Roberto Hernandez Heredia, and he's actually 31 years old. Personally, I'd prefer to keep calling him Fausto; it's such a unique name. I feel bad for all the Latin American players that feel they need to hide their identity and age in order to rise above their surroundings and reach the majors.
- Looking for stats on the Dominican Winter League? There's a whole new site (Beisbol Data) dedicated to that, and it looks awesome.
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from Sheehan this morning
Carlos Peña has to be disappointed, having come off a one-year contract with the Cubs in which he performed well — .225/.357/.462 with 28 homers in 153 games — only to find a market so saturated with first basemen that he may not even be able to match the $10 million salary he earned in 2011. Peña’s low batting average (.216 from 2009 through 2011) scares off many suitors, but he does everything else well enough to be an asset. Sabermetrically-savvy teams that could use help at the slow corner include the A’s, the Brewers and the new-look Astros. Peña may fit best, though, with his old friends in Tampa. The Rays have a hole at first base and need to get more power there than Casey Kotchman provided a year ago, and they are well-versed in looking past Peña’s strikeouts and low batting average to see the value he brings. Peña to the Rays on a one-year deal for about $7 million makes sense for both sides.
but Rhymes has more offensive upside and is a weapon on the base paths.
1 SB, 3 CS in 83 games. I see his minor league #s are good but that’s bizarre.
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It seems like a org philosophy. Tigers have the lowest SB total in the majors since 2010.
When Fuld came here he had 3 SB attempts in 98 games with the Cubs. I’m sure part of the appeal to Rhymes and the Rays was to let him run more.
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by Tommy Rancel on Jan 20, 2012 8:48 AM EST up reply actions
You would think a team with a low org total would hav e a high success rate by only employing the strategy when its a sure thing
Granted 4 attempts is a fairly meaningless sample. EJ had great success in AAA too on the paths.
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In 2011
Tigers only attempted 69 steals as a team which was lowest in the American League.
by Jason Collette on Jan 20, 2012 9:17 AM EST up reply actions
Rhymes should be informed about the Taco Bus just up the road from the Trop.
by BlakeBuchanan87 on Jan 20, 2012 8:40 AM EST reply actions
was thinking this, kills Chipotle. mmmm pollo verde...
"Please break your typewriter and computer and never come out of your ass cave again"
(Especially at 3AM on your way back from Fubar/Sake Bomb/Emerald/etc.)
"Please break your typewriter and computer and never come out of your ass cave again"
I hear Foster is trying to put the kibosh on Downtown Tampa's new Taco Bus
by td32 on Jan 20, 2012 9:08 AM EST via mobile up reply actions 2 recs
have you been to FUBAR? everyone looks angry.
i went there with my bro once on xmas eve after our big familt bash. of course im wearing a suit and a MONTE Vineyard Vines Xmas tie, and all the hipster trash wants to fight me cause their girls were making eyes. they do have good beer though.
I only go when I'm in town, round the holidays. I try not to talk to people that frequent there because they are dirty and poor.
They do however have a great beer selection as does Sake Bomb, although I’ve met the owner of that establishment and he seems like a douche.
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can't really beat Tremens on tap.
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in the warzone?
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Bar next to UCF Arena has Tremens & La Fin Du Monde on tap
Food sucks, table service sucks, but a stool up at the bar is a guaranteed great pregame & post-game
by Jason Collette on Jan 20, 2012 11:33 AM EST up reply actions
i freaking love fin du monde. unibroue is one of my favorite breweries, if not my top. ephemere, trois pistoles, all so good.
"Please break your typewriter and computer and never come out of your ass cave again"
those quebecois know how to brew a good Belgian dammit
there are plenty of crafts i enjoy from the USA.
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Rhymes signing supports upgrade at 1B option
Friedman bypassing Theriot/Keppinger for lower priced option of Rhymes as back utility IF keeps budget money available for upgrade at 1B. I’m just feeling a 2nd bat upgrade.
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by RayJzone on Jan 20, 2012 8:51 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
David Schoenfield proved how much of an idiot he is.
by leaving the Rays off of his top 5 rotations in baseball.
http://espn.go.com/blog/sweetspot/post/_/id/20057/ranking-the-five-best-starting-rotations
Yet another writer who talks about a Rays' SP BABIP...
While ignoring the fact that the team has lead the league for four straight seasons and only one pitcher on the staff (Shields) has been above .286 during that run
by Jason Collette on Jan 20, 2012 9:01 AM EST up reply actions
seems like the first 2 of his 4 "points" are not reasons to be pessimistic, but quite the opposite. Team defense isn't getting much if any worse from last season if we can find someone to replace Kotch's scoops.
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So what are we using to judge a rotation?
If it’s true talent level, in a neutral park and with neutral defense, then he may have a point. If it’s based on how they’ll do in 2012 counting park and defense, then no. Is there a list of FIP/xFIP numbers by rotation for 2011?
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by Imperialism32 on Jan 20, 2012 9:06 AM EST up reply actions
Schoenfield must have used a dart board.
I doubt he used stats to back anything up.
by Peter Piontek on Jan 20, 2012 9:10 AM EST up reply actions
The way his comments read, it sounds like .223 regressing to .290-.310 range
by Jason Collette on Jan 20, 2012 9:10 AM EST up reply actions
So Rays rotation was 17th in FIP and 14th in xFIP
But oh no, it’s crazy to not call them a top-5 rotation
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by Imperialism32 on Jan 20, 2012 9:13 AM EST up reply actions
They were in the exact same place in 2010 (4.24/4.08)
and finished tied for 10th in starter ERA
in 2011, finished 4th overall and tops in the AL at 3.53
3 of the past four seasons, the team’s ERA has come in well below its FIP. On a pure talent level…
Arizona? Joe F’n Saunders on a staff should DQ them automatically and Collmenter is all smoke and mirrors. None of their 1-3 guys would be anything but a 3 here
Yankees? 1-3 is arguable, 1-5 isn’t
Rangers? No, and I LOVE Dutch Oven
Phillies – best 1-3 in baseball, but the difference between 1-5 isn’t THAT much
Angels? 1-4 is damn good. #5 is damn awful
by Jason Collette on Jan 20, 2012 9:23 AM EST up reply actions
I'd have to put the Angels definitely ahead of the Rays.
Can’t really argue with Wilson, Weaver, and Haren.
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by Steve Slowinski on Jan 20, 2012 9:26 AM EST up reply actions
What is your argument against the numbers though?
I mean, obviously 2011 doesn’t exactly translate to 2012, but going from 14/17 to top-5 seems like a stretch. Is it Peter Piontek’s argument that our pitchers pitch to the defense?
I mean, your argument seems like it’s basically the eye test.
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by Imperialism32 on Jan 20, 2012 9:29 AM EST up reply actions
Just that the team continually outperforms their numbers
and that’s mixing NL & AL run environments
by Jason Collette on Jan 20, 2012 9:31 AM EST up reply actions
All right, but it goes back to what we're calling "best"
Staff ERA or staff FIP/xFIP
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by Imperialism32 on Jan 20, 2012 9:32 AM EST up reply actions
In this case, a mix of talent & results
Using the eye test, I don’t know how one can put AZ over our guys
by Jason Collette on Jan 20, 2012 9:33 AM EST up reply actions
Wouldn't it be a mixture of all the data available?
Including scouting or the eye test?
by Peter Piontek on Jan 20, 2012 9:33 AM EST up reply actions
Sure, but I wouldn't call him an idiot for leaving the Rays out of the top 5
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by Imperialism32 on Jan 20, 2012 9:37 AM EST up reply actions
Okay but Arizona and Texas?
I get the Phillies and can deal with LA because it’s close. Same with the Yankees , it’s close but that rotation is not “better” than the Rays 1-5
by Peter Piontek on Jan 20, 2012 9:40 AM EST up reply actions
I agree, I guess. I don't know how SF isn't up there
And I could see an argument for Miami, although that’s counting on 200 innings from Josh Johnson, which he’s only done once.
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by Imperialism32 on Jan 20, 2012 9:46 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah i think my problem wasn't that we weren't on his top 5
but the teams he had ahead of us. leaving SF off is ridiculous. Miami also could be great if Johnson is and stays healthy.
by Peter Piontek on Jan 20, 2012 9:49 AM EST up reply actions
aare you seriously arguing that we should use ERA to measure the pitching staff? that's embarrassing.
by rglass44 on Jan 20, 2012 10:27 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Hey, we agree on something
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by Imperialism32 on Jan 20, 2012 10:28 AM EST up reply actions
Count me in this coalition
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by FreeZorilla on Jan 20, 2012 10:29 AM EST up reply actions
can't track replies...
me?
No, I wouldn’t argue that point in the slightest. I only pointed it out that show the team has outpitched what it “should be” doing in both standard & advanced metrics.
by Jason Collette on Jan 20, 2012 11:35 AM EST up reply actions
I don't understand what you are saying
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by FreeZorilla on Jan 20, 2012 12:01 PM EST up reply actions
Defense and park
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by FreeZorilla on Jan 20, 2012 10:29 AM EST up reply actions
1 and 2 are nearly 1 and 1a
but yea, I like this list
by Jason Collette on Jan 20, 2012 11:36 AM EST up reply actions
Use the team leaderboards at FG.
Here.
4th in ERA
10th in WAR
12th in SIERA
14th in xFIP
17th in FIP
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by Steve Slowinski on Jan 20, 2012 9:13 AM EST up reply actions
Thanks (to you and Collette)
I guess I just don’t see it as being so bad to not call it a top-5 rotation
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by Imperialism32 on Jan 20, 2012 9:13 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah, I agree. I think we're being a bit fanboy happy with the rotation.
Nothing wrong with that, and I’m guilty of it myself…I’m pretty high on this group. But I think our rotation is a rather high-variance one. It has the potential to be absolute nuts — Price improves, Shields doesn’t regress much, Helly improves, Moore dominates, etc. — but a more realistic scenario involves some regression from last year.
Helly may improve his periphs, but he’s not a sub-3 ERA guy yet…not even close. Price had his struggles last season, Shields definitely had a career year, and Moore…I want to believe he’ll be amazing, but realistically speaking, prospects don’t become Cy Young contenders their rookie year. There will be bumps and bruises along the way.
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by Steve Slowinski on Jan 20, 2012 9:18 AM EST up reply actions
I don't know.
Moore is on pace for 200 innings next year. He has been compared to Strausburg (although Strausburg is favored) and Strausburg, if he was healthy for 200 innings in 2010, would have been a legit Cy Young contender. I’ve seen plenty of people mentioning Moore’s name in the Cy Young pool (not myself though).
Right we are certainly top 5 in run prevention
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by FreeZorilla on Jan 20, 2012 10:30 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Yeah, depends how you define "best".
I’m with ya…makes sense.
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by Steve Slowinski on Jan 20, 2012 10:35 AM EST up reply actions
To expand
So the Rays outperform their metrics because of park and defense, great. But take a rotation with better FIP/xFIP and stick them in the Trop, and they’d likely best the Rays, right? So that makes them a better rotation.
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by Imperialism32 on Jan 20, 2012 9:18 AM EST up reply actions
Here is my problem with metrics like FIP
Pitchers generally pitch to the defense behind them and neutralizing the defense to me just doesn’t make much sense. If you have a great defense then you utilize it.
by Peter Piontek on Jan 20, 2012 9:22 AM EST up reply actions
Shields and Price aren't taking advantage. They don't struggle with Ks.
You have a point with Hellickson, but Davis just can’t strike anyone out and Niemann is where he should be.
how would we know how they pitch with a different defense?
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how would we know how they pitch with a different defense?
October 28th, 2011-- a date which will live in infamy--
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I'd have to imagine the Rays will go up alot next year.
Price and Shields both never get injured and seem like very likey bets to get 4 WAR each (assuming Shields doesn’t get crappy luck twice in three years).
Moore, on a conservative note, it a 2.5-3 WAR pitcher. And assuming Hellickson goes back to being Hellickson, he is a 3 WAR pitcher. That leaves Niemann, who is somewhere around a 1.5-2 WAR pitcher. Facotr in Cobb for some of Niemann’s injury starts, and that is (conservatively) another .5 WAR.
That gives the Rays 16 WAR rotation if your being conservative. Going off last year’s numbers, that should be a top 5 rotation. The Angels and the Phillies are quite a bit ahead though.
What the heck?
I had a three paragraph reply about the Rays rotation that I submitted that dissappeared and these crap double replies appeared. What the heck?
The Rays have a 16 WAR rotation next year if you are conservative.
4 for Shields and Price, 2.5-3 for Moore, 3 for Hellickson, and 1.5-2 from Niemann.
Looking at last year’s numbers, that should be top 5. Still way behind the Angels and Phillies though.
More importantly for Rhymes is there a Chipoltle close to Durham Athletic Park?
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Pretty obvious Pena & Boras are holding out for the multi year deal that probably doesn't come
If the offers in CLE had what he wanted he’d have signed, so the longer it goes the better the Rays chances. I don’t think Kotchman is what the Indians are looking for.
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by sternfan1 on Jan 20, 2012 9:29 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
I'm pretty sure Kotchman isn't what anyone is looking for
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by Sveet on Jan 20, 2012 9:31 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Many AL teams would have been happy with his offense and defense at 1B last year
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Well it appears many teams don't think he is going to repeat last year
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Last year, yes.
Trick is, how likely is it to happen again?
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by Steve Slowinski on Jan 20, 2012 9:47 AM EST up reply actions
CLE is a pretty bad SP and defense and may be looking for a power bat at 1B
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yes
but why would Pena sign there.
Cleveland will need to trade for a bat to insure that they can get someone on a 1-year deal.
If Pena has to choose between a 1-year deal between Texas, Cleveland, Detroit, or Tampa which org would he go to?
I say Tampa but Detroit could give him slightly more $.
I don’t see Cle as the main competitor for Pena at this point.
Only and i'll say it again Only if they're the team that gives him multi years
which i don’t see. After this season the Indians could lose Hafner, Sizemore for sure and might trade Choo and Cabrera so signing Pena after ‘12 doesn’t make good sense
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even if given a multi-year offer
why would Pena want to stay around for a 2013 year? Why would any player want to be on a team that is going to be going through another rebuild after 2012? Is a few extra million worth it?
i'll side with MrNeg here who watches them every game
Asdrubal is a better 2B than SS
Kipnis is a converted second baseman
Chisenall is all about his bat
And at 1B neither Santana or LaPorta have any GG’s on their mantle
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yeah. i guess i was thinking they did more everett, OV, and assdribble than they did.
they ended up not rating well. i guess that was really only with “fausto” on the mound.
On the Rhymes signing i think this hurts Brignac as much as Johnson
He does have an option left so there’s no urgency to trade him OR put him on the OD roster
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i just cant see it. he cant play ss everyday in durham, so what does it do to put him there?
i bet he wont start OD because CC will be on the hill, but i bet he starts the second game.
Question:
For 2012 Only (gets rid of future worth, friendly contracts, age, etc): Would anyone here trade the Rays 1-5 to any of the 3 teams below for their 1-5 and feel better about the 2012 season?
1) Arizona
2) Texas
3) New York Yankees
Whose rotation would you trade for to feel better about the 2012 season?
It matters.
But Halladay-Lee-Hamels is just incredible. That is essentially as good as the while Rays rotation right there.
They should go with a three man staff
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by Ryan Gilliss on Jan 20, 2012 12:04 PM EST up reply actions
Tim Brown of Yahoo reporting Rays are "in pretty deep" in Pena talks
If this follows suit with the Scott signing it could happen today. If you’ll recall it started this way and two or three hours later it was confirmed.
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my bro just texted me
Says Pena signed to 1yr deal…
by mooreCOWBELL on Jan 20, 2012 3:11 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
Mike Morse signs a multi-year deal with Nats
http://twitter.com/NationalsPR/statuses/160472542937747458
I guess he’s off the trade market





























