Have Rays given up on Guyer or is Upton on the trading block?
by Rotofan on Jan 22, 2012 4:38 PM EST
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PrintWith the recent acquisition of Scott and Pena, Brandon Guyer has no chance of playing time unless something changes. Pena at first means Joyce in the OF and Scott means most DH at-bats will be spoken for. You might think there were some at-bats available when a left is on the mound -- as Joyce can't hit lefties and Pena has struggled - but Guyer has shown a reverse platoon split every year but one.
Guyer turns 26 this year so his window as a prospect isn't big. Keeping him in Tampa if he plays once or twice a week won't help much with his development.
Do the Rays see Guyer as part if their future and as more than a backup? Would the Rays be comfortable trading Upton and starting Guyer? What do you think?
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As a 26yrold, how will playing everyday in AAA help his development?
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And keep in mind that I am not endorsing this, just bringing it to the table.
The Rays may want Guyer playing everyday somewhere so in the event that an injury occurs he comes up and is sharp and hits his stride.
Of course, there are other theories about young players not playing often. Earl Weaver said that if a young player madethe team better regardless of how much playing time he got then take the young player north with you.
There are two trains of thought that Joe Maddon may have as it will ultimately be his call.
I really wouldn't mind if they let him just adjust to the major league pitching
This wasn’t the case with Brignac, and Guyer is older and better than Brignac when he played on the team with Bartlett as the SS.
Or is there more to that than I remember?
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by SandalsNoPants on Jan 22, 2012 8:27 PM EST up reply actions
His spot on the team doesn't change.
He does what he did last year, be fantastic depth for the team playing in AAA. I understand why you want to maximize the production of the major league team, but in the long term letting Guyer play in AAA and play every day is better for him than letting him sit on the major league bench and do nothing 3/5 days.
In my mind, he is a serious option for being opening day LF in 2013, after Upton leaves at the end of the year. He also lets the Rays keep the conversation open for trading Upton during the season, and if anybody gets hurt in the outfield he can come up and fill in nicely. I don’t think the Rays have to trade Upton unless it is a good deal for them, and ultimately that is how the Rays get good deals, by having too many pitchers or too many outfielders, and someone has to offer them a deal that bowls them over for a deal to happen. If no deal happens they take the compensation picks for Upton and keep the machine going.
No problem, no offense taken.
I think ultimately as fans we want to see action by the team, trades, players being brought up, but the patient approach thats been stated is, IMO, the best.
Maybe if we bring Guyer up and have him take lefties instead of Joyce in the outfield, we get more runs than if Fuld were to take those at bats(or some other guy off the bench) and win one more game, but we could lose a significant chunk of Guyers service time.That might be going all in to some people, but it hardly seems like a good payoff for such a cost.
You nailed it.
I would have written the extact same thing as your argument here and above. This is the way the Rays operate and I agree that Guyer starts the year in Durham as Major League backup 2012 then starts as full time LF in 2013 when Upton goes.
Guyer is the guy that the Rays expect to be the starting LF'er when Upton is traded(or he leaves)
He will end up where he gets the most PT until that happens, IMO.
Am I still banned?
If not, I wanted to say signing 2 lefties helped Guyer’s chances of making the team. He can spell all the OF’ers, Pena(with Scott moving to 1B) by playing DH.
Matt Moore. That is all.
Ya, its a pretty much guarrented fact that with the 2 lefty signings,
atleast one of Guyer or Canzler is gonna make the opening day roster. My guess is Canzler, since I think, as was stated above, the Rays want Guyer for when a starting job opens up.
by TBRaysfan009 on Jan 23, 2012 12:45 AM EST up reply actions
Depends if you think a Elliot, Rhymes, RH infielder makes the team
Canzler would make too many infielders with only Fuld as a backup OF’er.
MIF, Canzler, Guyer, Fuld for 2 spots.
I don’t want to consider Ruggiano.
Matt Moore. That is all.
why are people talking about Rhymes as if he's anything more than AAA depth?
is it 213 plate appearances in 2010?
Because, you know, he’s got 3,356 minor-league PA (plus another 100 at the major-league level in 2011) that suggest that he’s basically 75% of Elliot Johnson at the plate.
I get Shiny New Toy Syndrome and everything, but this guy is basically around in case EJ is lost on waivers and one of the Rays middle infielders gets run over by a bus or something.
by AndrewTorrez on Jan 23, 2012 8:45 AM EST up reply actions
how do you figure?
their career milb numbers are almost identical and rhymes has some success at the big league level.
directionality and age
EJ got better, and hit better at a younger age in the minors.
75% may be slight hyperbole. But there’s no argument that Rhymes is even a better player than Elliot Johnson, whom everyone wants off the 2012 roster. So I don’t get enthusiasm to have Rhymes on the 2012 roster.
by AndrewTorrez on Jan 24, 2012 12:08 AM EST up reply actions
why were you banned, Joseph?
"Please break your typewriter and computer and never come out of your ass cave again"
Spelling
This site really believes you should stay in school and pay attention. I did neither and it cost me this site for half a day.
Matt Moore. That is all.
Ha you were banned for poor spelling?
You might want to bring that up in the festivus post
by BossmanJunior333 on Jan 23, 2012 12:05 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Might of been grammar
I keep getting that “would have” thing wrong
Not on purpose, mods, wish it was…..
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HAVE
it’s probably your willful ignorance of the english language seeing as you’ve been corrected umpteen times and refuse to make simple corrections.
"Please break your typewriter and computer and never come out of your ass cave again"
I'll never understood*
This meme definitely has a shelf life to it
by Jason Collette on Dec 29, 2011 11:31 AM EST upreplyactions
So do you.
BOOM. ROASTED!
by SandalsNoPants on Dec 29, 2011 11:32 AM EST upreply Rec Flag
by sc_monsta1015 on Jan 23, 2012 3:14 PM EST up reply actions
was there something in violation of the guidlines in my post, dear Joseph?
"Please break your typewriter and computer and never come out of your ass cave again"
"Might of been grammar"
priceless.
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So good.
This meme definitely has a shelf life to it
by Jason Collette on Dec 29, 2011 11:31 AM EST upreplyactions
So do you.
BOOM. ROASTED!
by SandalsNoPants on Dec 29, 2011 11:32 AM EST upreply Rec Flag
by sc_monsta1015 on Jan 23, 2012 3:14 PM EST up reply actions
Seriously when did spelling right and making your sentances look all pretty become so important on the internet?
What a joke.
Talk about bored people who complain and ban over this stuff but let trolls post all they want.
Matt Moore. That is all.
Is this supposed to be in the Festivus thread?
This meme definitely has a shelf life to it
by Jason Collette on Dec 29, 2011 11:31 AM EST upreplyactions
So do you.
BOOM. ROASTED!
by SandalsNoPants on Dec 29, 2011 11:32 AM EST upreply Rec Flag
by sc_monsta1015 on Jan 23, 2012 3:15 PM EST up reply actions
speaking/writing proper english = "making your sentences look all pretty"
you seriously are just attention whoring at this point. weren’t you saying something about taking your of/have schtick elsewhere?
"Please break your typewriter and computer and never come out of your ass cave again"
We haven't even had the oppurtunity to give up on Guyer yet.
Like Sandals said, he has nothing (or very little) or work on in Durham. Enough said—platoon player this year, starting LF next year.
This meme definitely has a shelf life to it
by Jason Collette on Dec 29, 2011 11:31 AM EST upreplyactions
So do you.
BOOM. ROASTED!
by SandalsNoPants on Dec 29, 2011 11:32 AM EST upreply Rec Flag
To work on*--my bad. This is coming after reading that Joey got banned for grammar issues.
This meme definitely has a shelf life to it
by Jason Collette on Dec 29, 2011 11:31 AM EST upreplyactions
So do you.
BOOM. ROASTED!
by SandalsNoPants on Dec 29, 2011 11:32 AM EST upreply Rec Flag
by sc_monsta1015 on Jan 23, 2012 3:18 PM EST up reply actions
move Upton back to play SS
Guyer in left Jennings in center Joyce in right. problem solved….
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