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Is Jeff Niemann A Breakout Candidate?

A question regarding the Ray's 2012 rotation seems bound to receive a positive response. After all, don't the Rays possess one of the major league's finest rotations? Don't they have two aces in Price and Shields? And don't they have two young and remarkably talented starters in Hellickson and Moore, who recieve Greg Maddux and Nolan Ryan comparisons respectively? And don't they have..... Jeff Niemann? The very mention of Jeff Niemann's name often serves as a prelude to remarks defined by words such as reliability, consistency, and other fancy terms for "average."

Is it possible that the oh-so-average Jeff Niemann, the unheralded back-end of the Ray's rotation, could be a "breakout" candidate?

Star-divide

Flash back to June 2004, and Niemann was a much more recognizable player. When his name was mentioned, it would be alongside the names of players such as the Jered Weaver or Justin Verlander (both 2004 draftees). Baseball America, at the time, said the following:

Niemann’s allure stems from his combination of a strong 6-foot-9, 260-pound frame, power stuff and surprising command for a man his size. At his best, he has a fastball that reaches 97 mph, and he does an excellent job of staying tall in his delivery and using his height to drive the ball down through the strike zone. He also throws a nasty slider that scouts considered the best available in the 2004 draft class, and he added a spike curveball that he picked up from his former roommate and Rice teammate Wade Townsend, the Orioles’ unsigned first-round pick.

In the 2004 draft, Niemann was taken 4th overall and it seemed that the huge Houston native was headed for stardom. So how is it that someone of Niemann's potential and hype is now often overlooked and whose potential is considered limited?

After a successful 2005 minor league season, Jeff Niemann underwent a minor shoulder surgery. In 2006, he was limited to only 77.1 innings. From 2007-2008, he bounced back and averaged 132 innings per season. However, the injuries had taken their toll on Niemann.

In Baseball America's 2008 Ray's Top 10 Prospect list, Jeff Niemann was ranked an uninspiring 7th (although he was behind top prospects such as Longoria, Price, McGee, Davis, Brignac, and Jennings). While the scouting reports complimented Niemann's ability to pound the strike-zone, he no longer possessed a fastball in the mid-90s. His slider, which had been a fabulous weapon when drafted, was also missing. Overall, the reports were becoming less glowing. Baseball America's scouting report, in particular, pointed out his weaknesses:

Niemann is a slow worker who has little deception. He tends to leave pitches up in the strike zone when he stabs in the back of his delivery. He added a splitter last season that he uses as a changeup, but it's still fringy. He still has to prove that he's durable after having arthroscopic elbow surgery in 2003 and a minor shoulder operation in 2006. He pitched through some shoulder pain last August and had a small bone spur removed after the season..... He still has the stuff to be a No. 2 or 3 starter.

So, due to injuries, Niemann's hype and upside had both diminished significantly. In fact, he barely slipped into Baseball America's Top 100 prospects, coming in at #99.

Jeff Niemann's Major League Career

Now that we have seen how Jeff Niemann went from importance to insignificance in terms of hype and upside, we can get a view of what type of player Jeff Niemann currently is.

Jeff Niemann's Stuff

In 2011, Niemann through 4 seam fastballs (23%), 2 seam fastballs (37.9%), sinkers (1.6%), sliders (6.1%), curveballs (23.6%), and changeups (7.6%). In the following chart, the pitches will be divided into fastballs, curveballs, sliders, and split-fingers (changeups) for the sake of simplicity. Using linear weights for pitches, we can determine how well pitchers did when throwing each type of pitch. For a quick explanation, Fangraphs offers the following quote:

In other words, when you see wFB/C, that represents the amount of runs that pitcher saved with their fastball over the course of 100 fastballs thrown.

For more info on Pitch Type Linear Weights, check out this link: http://www.fangraphs.com/library/index.php/pitching/linear-weights/

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From this chart, several things can be observed. Jeff Niemann no longer has a good slider. In fact, his slider is now a borderline-awful pitch. He is also able to generate mild success from his fastball and curveball while his changeup (SF) is a below average pitch.

Jeff Niemann's Performance

Finally, the defining point in this post has been reached. Why in the world is this maniac projecting Niemann to break out? When evaluating pitchers, I prefer to look at their strikeout rates and their walk rates, as these are very indicative of future success. Also listed below is xFIP, which is a helpful tool in evaluating pitchers independent of their team's defense (xFIP explanation: http://www.fangraphs.com/library/index.php/pitching/xfip/).

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From viewing this chart, we can see that over the course of his three full seasons, Niemann has systematically gotten better. By no means has he dominated; however, his performance each year has progressed. His walks have gone down, his strikeouts have gone up, and his xFIP has gone down. Because of Niemann's progression, I view him as an underrated commodity, a player who has consistently gotten better despite little fanfare or attention.

Swing %

Having already examined Niemann's pitch values using linear weights, I will now look at swing percentages. Their is a growing train of thought that O-Contact% is a solid way to evaluate a pitchers stuff and thus their ability to strike hitters out. O-Conact% and K% often have a noticeable relationship. James Shield's superb changeup has quite a bit to do with his low (which is good) O-Contact%. However, Niemann has made no progress in this category, so it is reasonableto assume that his stuff or out-pitch hasn't improved.

On a closer examination, there are three very telling stats that hint towards why Jeff Niemann has had more success recently. O-Swing% is the percentage of pitches a batter swings at outside the strike zone. Z-Swing% is the percentage of pitches a batter swings at inside the strike zone. Zone% is the overall percentage of pitches a batter sees inside the strike zone.

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As we can see, Jeff Niemann has shown progression in eachof these categories. Batters are swinging at more pitches outside the strike-zone, batters are swinging at less pitches in the zone, and Niemann is throwing less pitches in the zone despite lowering his walk rate every year. All of these clues tell us one thing: Jeff Niemann is progressing as a pitcher. In other words, he is learning "how to pitch." It appears he is setting batters up, getting into favorable counts, and often tricking hitters.

How Has Niemann Gotten Better?

Through all the information gathered, a good theory can be formulated as to why Jeff Niemann has gotten better results in each of the past several years. Niemann hasn't gotten great results off of his stuff (linear weights) and his stuff (going by linear weights, again) hasn't improved each year. In fact, his fastball was a career worst in 2011 and his changeup has gotten worse for two consecutive years. Despite this, Niemann has gotten better results, presumably by fooling batters.

With this in mind, I believe it is safe to conclude that Niemann has learned "how to pitch" better each year, demonstrating better pitchability and command of his pitches.

In conclusion, I don't feel that Niemann is a great candidate to "break out." His stuff is definitely average (except during occasional streaks when his mechanics are perfect) and it seems unlikely that Niemann will ever pitch 200 innings in a year. Despite this, Niemann has shown consistent improvement each year (something Wade Davis hasn't done) and is starting to develop into an excellent pitching artist. His upside may be a bit limited, but Jeff Niemann looks like a keeper and someone who can develop into one of the better pitching artists in the game.

For the record, I do understand that linear weights are results based. However, my point was to demonstrate that Niemann didn't suddenly develop better stuff or get better results on a certain pitch which could then lead to his success.

This post was written by a member of the DRaysBay community and does not necessarily express the views or opinions of DRaysBay staff.

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tbh

I read the title as breakdown candidate.

Good stuff here!

by Jason Collette on Jan 24, 2012 8:58 AM EST reply actions  

Additionally

Given the concerns about his elbow coming out of college, scrapping the slider isn’t a bad thing. FB/CV/SP works for me

by Jason Collette on Jan 24, 2012 9:00 AM EST reply actions  

Interesting stuff, I hope it increases his trade value before his shoulder turns into Vesuvius Part 2: The Career Ender

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by Sandy Kazmir on Jan 24, 2012 9:32 AM EST reply actions  

I'm not sure where he gets that rep.

He had the minor shoulder surgery and not much else. He went on the DL in 2011 because of his back. And while he did have a shoulder injury in 2010, it didn’t need surgery or anything. He is an injury risk for sure, but I think the shoulder issue gets overdone.

by mr. maniac on Jan 24, 2012 9:43 AM EST up reply actions  

If he had major shoulder surgery he wouldn't be pitching any more. There ain't nothing routine about minor shoulder surgery.

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by Sandy Kazmir on Jan 24, 2012 10:03 AM EST up reply actions  

But that was 6 years ago and he has only had a shoulder issue once after that, from which he has recovered from fine.

His shoulder certainly isn’t durable, but I don’t see the reason to get overly concerned.And the fact that he cuts his slider usage down by 40% this past year is a good sign for his shoulder.

by mr. maniac on Jan 24, 2012 10:20 AM EST up reply actions  

a few things:

1. this is good work. love the graphs showing k%, bb%, and xFIP trend and the plate disciple rates really put in to perspective his progress.
2. the one quibble i have is the assertion that linear weights is an indicator of “stuff.” id say the o-swing% is a better indicator of that. linear weights really only show how effective a pitch HAS BEEN. it could be effective because it’s always thrown for a looking strike or a ground ball, you don’t know. it could be ineffective because it got hit out for a hr on one of the few times it was thrown. its hard to tease out why it was or wasnt effective.

by rglass44 on Jan 24, 2012 10:26 AM EST reply actions  

forgot three:

the one argument i have for keeping davis over niemann is i do (like sandy) trust his health more. i also like the cost certainty. in my eyes, though, id trade whichever one nets more. with our starting pitching depth it isnt the worst thing in the world if niemann has to miss a few starts each year to keep his arm from falling off. i just hope that whichever guy we keep takes advantage of the park and defense and puts a hell of a year together, so we can move them next offseason.

by rglass44 on Jan 24, 2012 10:28 AM EST up reply actions  

Fantastic, maniac.

As for pitch type linear weights. If a pitch is always thrown for a looking strike or a ground ball, that means that (a) it’s probably a curve ball mostly thrown backdoor to opposite handed batters and (b) it’s pretty effective in that role. It’s not necessarily showing us pure “stuff,” but I do think it’s showing us something.

As for it being hit for a home run a few times skewing linear weights, I absolutely agree. That’s why, whenever I use them, I weight balls in play (including HRs) by the balls in play type, rather than by the outcome. If you want, maniac, go ahead and email me, and I’ll send over a spreadsheet for how I calculate them off of a Joe Lefkowitz downloaded excel. It took a little while of being un-clever for me to figure out the easy way, but it’s real nice to not be tied to the Fangraphs formula.

by Whelk on Jan 24, 2012 1:33 PM EST up reply actions  

rec'd

Only thing preventing niemann from being a keeper is back and other potential injury issues. When healthy he can compete in the AL East, which is no small feat. Despite the durability concerns calling into question his reliability, he fits perfectly on a pitching rich team, with plenty of depth in AAA in case of injury. I hope for some sort of breakout to improve trade offers for next off-season.

by raysfaninminnesota on Jan 24, 2012 11:08 AM EST reply actions  

Our pitching depth

makes pitchers with injury history less risky. Few other teams have that depth, and that likely makes him more valuable to us than he would be somewhere else.

by behn on Jan 24, 2012 12:05 PM EST up reply actions  

This is a good point that you guys have worked up to. Having better than replacement-level depth means you may prefer Fragile Freddy over Sturdy Sam

If you imagine the former is a better player, but injury prone and the latter stays healthy, but doesn’t really offer much else

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by Sandy Kazmir on Jan 24, 2012 12:50 PM EST up reply actions  

9 recs.

Steve, the front page is calling……

by mr. maniac on Jan 24, 2012 12:46 PM EST up reply actions  

holy shit

"Please break your typewriter and computer and never come out of your ass cave again"

by pudieron89 on Jan 24, 2012 1:15 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Awesome post

Rec’d

joeybw, on why he was banned for half a day:

"Might of been grammar I keep getting that "would have" thing wrong

Not on purpose, mods, wish it was….."

Classic.

by sc_monsta1015 on Jan 24, 2012 11:41 AM EST reply actions  

Interesting piece, and in stark contrast to one writer who thinks the Rays

will have trouble finding a taker for either Davis or Niemann due to their lack of success

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by sternfan1 on Jan 24, 2012 12:16 PM EST reply actions  

Since he's being vague, it is probably me

If I’m an outsider looking at one guy with declining IP totals each of the past three years and another who has off-speed pitch issues, I’m a bit worried about their ceilings.

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by Jason Collette on Jan 24, 2012 1:12 PM EST up reply actions  

If you guys had a choice of trading either one for the same guy, who would you trade?

joeybw, on why he was banned for half a day:

"Might of been grammar I keep getting that "would have" thing wrong

Not on purpose, mods, wish it was….."

Classic.

by sc_monsta1015 on Jan 24, 2012 1:31 PM EST up reply actions  

Niemann

There were concerns about his durability coming out of college and he hasn’t done anything to disprove that yet.

by Jason Collette on Jan 24, 2012 1:42 PM EST up reply actions  

He's also 3yrs older

Less potential to develop

I put the screw IN THE TUNA!

by Transplanted on Jan 24, 2012 1:43 PM EST up reply actions  

also more expensive.

If you assume he’ll get $3 mill this year with a 30% raise each year that’s 3 years at about $12 million. Davis is owed $11.6. If Niemann breaks out he’ll be even more expensive whereas Davis will then have 2 more decently priced years if he breaks out. I guess the downside with Nieems is lower as he’s not guaranteed anything.

by rglass44 on Jan 24, 2012 2:12 PM EST up reply actions  

Double yup

joeybw, on why he was banned for half a day:

"Might of been grammar I keep getting that "would have" thing wrong

Not on purpose, mods, wish it was….."

Classic.

by sc_monsta1015 on Jan 24, 2012 2:44 PM EST up reply actions  

Yup

joeybw, on why he was banned for half a day:

"Might of been grammar I keep getting that "would have" thing wrong

Not on purpose, mods, wish it was….."

Classic.

by sc_monsta1015 on Jan 24, 2012 2:44 PM EST up reply actions  

Yup

joeybw, on why he was banned for half a day:

"Might of been grammar I keep getting that "would have" thing wrong

Not on purpose, mods, wish it was….."

Classic.

by sc_monsta1015 on Jan 24, 2012 2:44 PM EST up reply actions  

Davis

Niemann is a better pitcher right now and I dont see either sticking around longterm anyways. I would hope Cobb, Torres, and Archer would be knocking the door down by then.

by BossmanJunior333 on Jan 24, 2012 2:19 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Great writeup Maniac

This is pretty awesome work.

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by King Billy Royal on Jan 26, 2012 12:01 AM EST reply actions  

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