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Fielder 9yrs/$214M (per Heyman)

The competition in the American League sure has stepped it up a notch this off-season. Buckle up - it should be a fun ride!!

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Totally true.

Boras boned someone else once again though.

by raysman1 on Jan 24, 2012 3:19 PM EST up reply actions  

upton/davis for ???

im not really sure what of there’s i want anymore

by rglass44 on Jan 24, 2012 3:23 PM EST up reply actions  

Agreed

Tough to see a match with the Nats. Would have to be a three way I think.

by crawdelli on Jan 24, 2012 3:28 PM EST up reply actions  

The 2012 Rays really starting to round into shape. I would keep ALL the pitching (may need to trade them to fill greater 2013 needs) and need to get blown away to trade Upton. We do need another catcher however. Maybe planning to sign Keppinger/Renteria/Theriot and trade Brignac for a catcher, with Beckham and HJL in the wings?

by crawdelli on Jan 24, 2012 3:40 PM EST up reply actions  

Not that they have any prospects of value to us

I mean who would we want from then, Nick Castellanos? lol

by benderbrodriguez on Jan 24, 2012 3:24 PM EST up reply actions  

i dont see it.

they already have verlander, scherzer, fister, porcello, and are seemingly willing to use jake turner this year. also, what would we want?

by rglass44 on Jan 24, 2012 3:28 PM EST up reply actions  

This deal makes no sense because

1) Detroit already has one of the best 1Bs in baseball
2) They already have a DH (who is only missing 1 year with injury)
3) There’s no way anyone else was offering anything close to 214M

by benderbrodriguez on Jan 24, 2012 3:22 PM EST reply actions  

Because Boras

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by Warde on Jan 24, 2012 3:23 PM EST up reply actions  

c'mon

i cant believe you don’t think any of those position players could pitch….

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by James Westfall on Jan 24, 2012 5:41 PM EST up reply actions  

Forgot about that.

They need a 5th starter, right?

by mr. maniac on Jan 24, 2012 5:43 PM EST up reply actions  

my thoughts exactly

i would imagine dombrowski is thinking…should i continue to rush my pitchers to the majors all to watch them flame out and never reach their “potential”…OR should I get creative and see what my middle infielders can do on the bump?

this could be moneyball redux where you just randomly spend money and then do other random shit all at random, randomly.

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by James Westfall on Jan 24, 2012 5:46 PM EST up reply actions  

This cant be serious

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by Warde on Jan 24, 2012 3:36 PM EST up reply actions  

warde trolled by mr. maniac. whoa.

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by pudieron89 on Jan 24, 2012 4:13 PM EST up reply actions  

how many games?

I would say 0% chance of >100; some small number (10%?) > 30.

by AndrewTorrez on Jan 24, 2012 4:24 PM EST up reply actions  

I'll take over 100...

at least sometime in the next two years

Boom. Outta Here.

by Ryan Gilliss on Jan 24, 2012 4:25 PM EST up reply actions  

this also means

Rays can trade for vmart for pennies on the dollar next offseason

by BossmanJunior333 on Jan 24, 2012 3:36 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Couldn't agree more.

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by rickdr23 on Jan 24, 2012 3:46 PM EST up reply actions  

Take a good look at the Carlos Lee/Astros situation this year

Because 6-7 years out, Detroit will be in the same boat. I mean car.

by maris61 on Jan 24, 2012 3:24 PM EST reply actions  

But, adjusted for "baseball inflation", he got similar money

And it was for 6 years, not 9.

Just sayin’ Detroit will have payroll problems in the out years.

by maris61 on Jan 24, 2012 3:40 PM EST up reply actions  

Lee weighed over 300 lbs at one point

The rumour is that at one point he got so fat that he ballooned to over 300 lbs.

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by King Billy Royal on Jan 24, 2012 9:30 PM EST up reply actions  

This

Still feels like they could’ve gotten him for cheaper though

by benderbrodriguez on Jan 24, 2012 3:31 PM EST up reply actions  

Wow!

I guess that takes Detroit out of the market for Damon.

They did this because Martinez is out this year? Are they anticipating moving him before the 2013 season? He is still owed $38 million from 2012 through 2014.

by bobr on Jan 24, 2012 3:42 PM EST reply actions  

I don't see anyone else

unless Toronto is interested to platoon him with Encarnacion or perhaps limit Lind’s exposure to lefties. As far as I can tell, Encarnacion does not have much of a split vs. righties, but Lind has been pretty bad against lefties.

Still, it doesn’t seem Damon has much bargaining power left.

by bobr on Jan 24, 2012 4:01 PM EST up reply actions  

they can give him to us in the offseadon

This way they can keep fielder and mikey…everybody wins!

by raysfaninminnesota on Jan 24, 2012 3:50 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

I agree with most what everyone is saying

Detroit had no need for the guy, unless they think they are all in this year, with that division, but even then, their pitching staff is definitely succeptible to failure, ESPECIALLY with a injury to one of them. Turner could be the turning piece. It makes no sense financially or position wise, other than wanting to spell Cabrera half the year at first. They still owe Martinez a ton too. This is what makes the “1 game playoff” so damn stupid and scary,.

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by rickdr23 on Jan 24, 2012 3:49 PM EST reply actions  

without question...

But again, I would hate to play a 1 game playoff with them with that lineup and only Verlander to deal with

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by rickdr23 on Jan 24, 2012 3:53 PM EST up reply actions  

Even Verlander can't strike out 27 hitters

That defense is going to cause many an ulcer in Detroit

by benderbrodriguez on Jan 24, 2012 3:59 PM EST up reply actions  

what he said.

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by rickdr23 on Jan 24, 2012 3:58 PM EST up reply actions  

Definitely

I guess many people think of Detroit as super scary contender now, whereas they weren’t when Victor wasn’t injured yet.

by Ben Tumbling on Jan 24, 2012 4:00 PM EST up reply actions  

This seems like baloney

Martinez has a 126 wRC+ over this time, Fielder’s is 153

by benderbrodriguez on Jan 24, 2012 4:04 PM EST up reply actions  

Apparently oWAR includes positional adjustment. I didn't know that.

Let’s go with RAR/162:

Prince = 43
Victor = 36

Still, around the same gap.

by Ben Tumbling on Jan 24, 2012 4:11 PM EST up reply actions  

I said I hoped Fielder stayed in the NL...

but honestly, I’m liking the competition now, bet that much more damn sweeter when the 64 mil payroll and farm system whoops that ass.

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by rickdr23 on Jan 24, 2012 3:55 PM EST reply actions  

are "damn" and "ass" considered curse words on here by way......

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by rickdr23 on Jan 24, 2012 3:57 PM EST up reply actions  

Please talk me out of signing Pudge Rodriguez (O/T)

I just can’t get past that 48% CS % in 2011. I know he sucks at the plate but Molina and Pudge would be an interesting combo with all the young pitching. Maybe we have enough hitting outside the C position?

by crawdelli on Jan 24, 2012 3:58 PM EST reply actions  

Who has the better arm between Chirinos and Lobaton?

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by rickdr23 on Jan 24, 2012 3:59 PM EST up reply actions  

Lobaton, he's regarded very well defensively

Chirinos’s arm is rated fairly poorly if I understand correctly

by benderbrodriguez on Jan 24, 2012 4:00 PM EST up reply actions  

Def Gio from a team success standpoint.

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by rickdr23 on Jan 24, 2012 4:07 PM EST up reply actions  

The NL is fucking garbage

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by Sveet on Jan 24, 2012 4:11 PM EST up reply actions  

How bad is the NL West........the Royals would spank them if in that division.

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by rickdr23 on Jan 24, 2012 4:12 PM EST up reply actions  

World.....?

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by rickdr23 on Jan 24, 2012 4:16 PM EST up reply actions  

Now they're saying Miguel Cabrera is going to 3rd

So I guess there’s still room for Johnny on a 1 year deal. This makes a little more sense I suppose

by benderbrodriguez on Jan 24, 2012 4:06 PM EST reply actions  

Did he lose some weight? Cuz he gonna need to, my god that defense could be HORRIBLE.

Like .980 horrible.

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by rickdr23 on Jan 24, 2012 4:07 PM EST up reply actions  

oh thats freaking awesome

im gonna watch so many tigers games.

by rglass44 on Jan 24, 2012 4:08 PM EST up reply actions  

ha!!

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by rickdr23 on Jan 24, 2012 4:09 PM EST up reply actions  

This is going to be real interesting for developers and players of baseball sims

How many runs can a player with 1/5 infield rating @ 3rd base cost the team?

by Ben Tumbling on Jan 24, 2012 4:30 PM EST up reply actions  

9......

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by rickdr23 on Jan 24, 2012 4:30 PM EST up reply actions  

Don't pick on fat kids

They can grow up to sign $214M contracts too

by Jason Collette on Jan 24, 2012 4:09 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

Trammell is like, "Kid's got a G-men shirt, Cubs pants, and a Tigers hat, what a frontrunner"

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by Sandy Kazmir on Jan 24, 2012 4:12 PM EST up reply actions  

Fuck this season.

Just trade Shields for Bubba Starling.

by PriceMultiCyYoungs on Jan 24, 2012 4:28 PM EST reply actions  

or Clarise Starling

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by rickdr23 on Jan 24, 2012 4:29 PM EST up reply actions  

ugh. ugh.

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by rickdr23 on Jan 24, 2012 4:29 PM EST up reply actions  

Watch Morrow and Romero goes nuts.

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by rickdr23 on Jan 24, 2012 4:31 PM EST up reply actions  

Its a scary lineup, but I always bank on the pitching to be sub par, especially the pen.

I mean hell, same team that signed Ryan to all that money after one decent year.

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by rickdr23 on Jan 24, 2012 4:34 PM EST up reply actions  

*go

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by rickdr23 on Jan 24, 2012 4:33 PM EST up reply actions  

He's no Betemit, that's for sure.

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by rickdr23 on Jan 24, 2012 4:35 PM EST up reply actions  

cordero's peripherals...

are blah. he might struggle to me a 1 WAR pitcher in the AL East.

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by James Westfall on Jan 24, 2012 5:49 PM EST up reply actions  

i would have liked him at 2.5

maybe even 3…but 4.5 no thanks.

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by James Westfall on Jan 24, 2012 6:02 PM EST up reply actions  

I'd just rather not have him on the Rays at all.

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by SandalsNoPants on Jan 24, 2012 6:40 PM EST up reply actions  

there is that

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by James Westfall on Jan 24, 2012 6:42 PM EST up reply actions  

I like Rodney and his GB% more than Cordero, honestly.

But I wasn’t thrilled with that signing, either.

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by SandalsNoPants on Jan 24, 2012 9:03 PM EST up reply actions  

you know that the $5 pizza industry has to be booming...

they are opening up Hungry Howies’ and Little Caesars’ like they are Starbucks

Boom. Outta Here.

by Ryan Gilliss on Jan 24, 2012 4:33 PM EST up reply actions  

who have since paid off all that money with interest

i don’t like american cars either, but the auto industry bailout worked, however surprisingly

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by pudieron89 on Jan 24, 2012 5:12 PM EST up reply actions  

i bike to work every day.

but i still like my car because i live in florida and shit just ain’t connected well.

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by pudieron89 on Jan 24, 2012 5:45 PM EST up reply actions  

in a city with infrastructure.

i don’t know if i’ll be able to do it in the summer, finna be so humid.

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by pudieron89 on Jan 24, 2012 6:43 PM EST up reply actions  

im just gonna bike to the gym, work out, shower, then go across the street to work.

thats the only way i could see it working as i sweat from walking to work in DC in the summer.

by rglass44 on Jan 25, 2012 8:54 AM EST up reply actions  

i remember you posted your bike in the ottotd

i got one off craigslist, a 10 year old specialized hot rocks. i absolutely love it, last owner kept it in a garage. it rides great considering how old it is.

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by pudieron89 on Jan 24, 2012 6:45 PM EST up reply actions  

not one opt out.....really. Boras is a god of mortal men.

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by rickdr23 on Jan 24, 2012 4:39 PM EST up reply actions  

How does this jibe with you previous comment?

What are you trying to say here? We are talking about player opt outs, not team options with buyouts.

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by Ryan Gilliss on Jan 24, 2012 4:46 PM EST up reply actions  

Ohhhhh, I totally phrased that wrong....I meant 4th year opt out yes, but I didn't put the buyout word in at end with the double digit.

My blunder yo. Just now saw that, between all the clicking on comments beforehand.

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by rickdr23 on Jan 24, 2012 4:48 PM EST up reply actions  

Yes and no

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by Sveet on Jan 24, 2012 4:52 PM EST up reply actions  

Well ya a player opt out would help Fielder

but a team opt out would help the Tigers and a dual opt out would basically mean it’s a 4 year deal

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by Sveet on Jan 24, 2012 4:53 PM EST up reply actions  

I would cheat prodigiously on my gf, let her catch me..

and have Boras make a booklet of why she should keep me, and I would have total faith that it would work.

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by rickdr23 on Jan 24, 2012 4:41 PM EST up reply actions  

No doubt.

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by rickdr23 on Jan 24, 2012 4:50 PM EST up reply actions  

you obviously have not seen Don Kelly. Geez.

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by rickdr23 on Jan 24, 2012 4:51 PM EST reply actions  

reply fail.

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by rickdr23 on Jan 24, 2012 4:52 PM EST up reply actions  

With the Tigers no longer needing a DH, they may have lost any interest in bringing back Ordenez

He had to have been considered a possibility, but probably no longer. If healthy, he may accept a lesser role(and money) to PH, DH part time and if his foot is healed well enough, he could still play a few games in RF, giving Joyce a day off against certain lefties.
If Thome can accept 1 million to basically just PH in the NL, Ordonez may see the value in playing on a contending team, getting 200 AB’s and making 1-2 million.

by budman3 on Jan 24, 2012 5:31 PM EST reply actions  

Wow, Fielder in the AL. This probably doesn't hurt us too bad, but, wow.

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by sc_monsta1015 on Jan 24, 2012 5:40 PM EST reply actions  

Why is this an "awful" deal for the Tigers?

I love the way the Rays operate, but just once how exciting to ignite the fan base with a signing like this. Not all teams operate like the Rays and because they don’t, does it make it wrong?

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by sternfan1 on Jan 24, 2012 5:48 PM EST reply actions  

Are people really saying it's a bad deal for them?

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by sc_monsta1015 on Jan 24, 2012 5:52 PM EST up reply actions  

read above

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by sternfan1 on Jan 24, 2012 5:55 PM EST up reply actions  

Not through 300 comments.

But I don’t think it’s so bad, through the age 36 season.

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by sc_monsta1015 on Jan 24, 2012 5:56 PM EST up reply actions  

here you go
I like Prince and everything, but that’s absurd
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by nomoredevil on Jan 24, 2012 3:18 PM EST reply actions
Totally true.
Boras boned someone else once again though.

by raysman1 on Jan 24, 2012 3:19 PM EST up reply actions

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by sternfan1 on Jan 24, 2012 6:08 PM EST up reply actions  

Thanks!!!

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by sc_monsta1015 on Jan 24, 2012 6:10 PM EST up reply actions  

MODS?!?!?!

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by pudieron89 on Jan 24, 2012 6:45 PM EST up reply actions  

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by SandalsNoPants on Jan 24, 2012 7:09 PM EST up reply actions  

to be fair, I was thinking Prince was 29-30 instead of 27-28 when I wrote that

But I still think it’s absurd. Prince may be worth 20M/yr for the front half of the contract, but sluggers don’t age well. This will be an albatross by the end of the deal.

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by nomoredevil on Jan 24, 2012 6:13 PM EST up reply actions  

That's the way it works

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by sc_monsta1015 on Jan 24, 2012 6:14 PM EST up reply actions  

and it is also a poor allocation of resources

it is going to be very interesting when they trot out their 3 first baseman infield next year.

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by nomoredevil on Jan 24, 2012 6:16 PM EST up reply actions  

it's not a bad deal, it's just confusing given their sluggers already on the roster and confusing lineup arrangements for the future. definitely helps them in 2012.

they were already a favorite for the ALC, now they’re elite with bos nyy laa tex and maybe us.

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by pudieron89 on Jan 24, 2012 5:56 PM EST up reply actions  

Yep, it looks pretty tough for us, but doesn't effect us like the Pujols signing, with that extra wild card team in the mix.

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by sc_monsta1015 on Jan 24, 2012 5:58 PM EST up reply actions  

i will say it...

this is a bad deal for the tigers…just because you can pay 214 doesnt mean you should pay 214. fielder has to be accumulate about 45 WAR to make this deal worth it…and there is a real chance he does not do that.

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by James Westfall on Jan 24, 2012 6:01 PM EST up reply actions  

That;s true, but there's now way you get a top player without overpaying.

That’s just common knowledge.

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by sc_monsta1015 on Jan 24, 2012 6:02 PM EST up reply actions  

to overpay or not to overpay that is the question

i dont pay 214 for prince, especially when it looked like washington, texas, and toronto were going to be way under 214. look at the time table…v-mart injury…1 week later prince signs in detroit….i bet boras was doing back flips when v-mart went down because he knew he could fleece his old buddies in detroit…he probably took washingtons offer over and said..no team opt out clause and a couple million more and he is yours…done deal. suck it rizzo.

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by James Westfall on Jan 24, 2012 6:08 PM EST up reply actions  

Rizzo has done well, besides the ahem....it rhymes with "Birth"

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by rickdr23 on Jan 24, 2012 6:09 PM EST up reply actions  

rizzo has done well with his draft picks

but it really does help when you have 1.1 and the best pitching and hitting prospects in the last 20 years available, not to say he hasnt made other strong picks but his FA signings leave a lot to be desired.

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by James Westfall on Jan 24, 2012 6:11 PM EST up reply actions  

gio trade was great, Morse was luck, but just Werth was abominal.

True about the available draft picks, but at least he signed them, I’m pretty sure Harper wanted nothing to do with the Nats. Anyway, a little “off topic” haha

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by rickdr23 on Jan 24, 2012 6:13 PM EST up reply actions  

wasnt a fan of the gio trade...

thought they gave up too much. but yeah a bit off topic. haha

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by James Westfall on Jan 24, 2012 6:16 PM EST up reply actions  

They could've had CJ Wilson and Jose Reyes and heath bell for this much

Do you honestly want to tell me their team is better with Fielder instead of those 3, when they already had a DH/1B?

by benderbrodriguez on Jan 24, 2012 6:29 PM EST up reply actions  

I could imagine the eating contests between Valverde and Bell on trips.

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by rickdr23 on Jan 24, 2012 6:32 PM EST up reply actions  

This comment is silly

Because they signed Prince Fielder instead..

by benderbrodriguez on Jan 24, 2012 6:33 PM EST up reply actions  

ah, I should have said outfield dugout. #fatjokefail

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by rickdr23 on Jan 24, 2012 6:34 PM EST up reply actions  

I can hear it now

Rangers fans outraged that Prince Fielder signs with Detroit robbing the great state of Texas of its 12 consecutive fattest city/state title.

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by James Westfall on Jan 24, 2012 6:41 PM EST up reply actions  

You are on fire today

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by rickdr23 on Jan 24, 2012 6:53 PM EST up reply actions  

where is cheddar bob?

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by James Westfall on Jan 24, 2012 8:00 PM EST up reply actions  

this is kind of creepy.

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by pudieron89 on Jan 24, 2012 8:21 PM EST up reply actions  

awful

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by pudieron89 on Jan 24, 2012 6:48 PM EST up reply actions  

Here's my question to you

With the Tigers roster, would you rather have Prince Fielder or CJ Wilson AND Jose Reyes? If you pick Prince Fielder I think it’s fair to call that a bad decision

by benderbrodriguez on Jan 24, 2012 6:53 PM EST up reply actions  

What is the SABR argument on this site against Fielder?

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by SandalsNoPants on Jan 24, 2012 7:11 PM EST up reply actions  

In short

He’s a one tool player being paid like a superstar.

by sattp on Jan 25, 2012 10:00 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Hitting for power and average are two tools that maybe 5-10% of MLB players have combined at his level

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by Sandy Kazmir on Jan 25, 2012 10:38 AM EST up reply actions  

You are correct about the number of tools (and how good he is at them)

But I would be hesitant to hand out a paycheck like that to an all bat 1B/DH type player. He’s certainly one of the better average/power hitters in the league but you’re going to pay face value for those tools. The tools you usually get more of a bargain on (defense, base running, position scarcity, etc) are simply non existent.

It’s certainly a defensible move since the Tigers are in win-now mode and you can pay a bit of a premium for the productive years you’ll get out of him while that window is open even if it harms you at the end. However, I’m certain they won’t get $214M worth of production out of him. That and the fact they are going to harm their defense by moving Cabrera up the defensive chart takes some value out of it.

by sattp on Jan 25, 2012 12:27 PM EST up reply actions  

Don't worry about the money, it's not yours. The Tigers just added one of the premier hitters in either league to their offense. That's a good thing

The upgrade in offense is worth the tradeoff in defense for the next five years. No other team has two .400+ wOBA hitters in their lineup that I can think of. You can’t gloss over his strengths and only highlight the weaknesses because his strengths make him a 1%er in his field.

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by Sandy Kazmir on Jan 25, 2012 1:06 PM EST up reply actions  

Don't get me wrong. He's a great player but has some flaws.

I am just stating that they pretty much paid face value for him and that’s precisely what they’ll get. It’s not an awful deal and if the Tigers are spending big then they could have done worse but it’s not like a great deal or anything.

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by Sandy Kazmir on Jan 25, 2012 1:36 PM EST up reply actions  

wOBA figures are from Zips, yes.

I guess you could say that they’re a team that has a chance to have two guys of that stature, unlike most, but Zips is not suggesting that their 50% projection is above that level.

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by Sandy Kazmir on Jan 25, 2012 4:38 PM EST up reply actions  

not all tools are created equal.

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by pudieron89 on Jan 25, 2012 2:07 PM EST up reply actions  

If Cespedies signs with the Marlins(and shuts out the Nats again), I can see the Nats giving AF a call about Upton

Only player on their roster I would have to get would be Henry Rodriquez as a set-up/ closer type for 2012. After that I need 2 good prospects that fill out Rays needs..one of their 1st base prospects..Moore or Marrero(whom ever they value more) and Lombardozzi, who becomes the utility player the Rays seem to be looking for.

That combination may be worth what you could expect to get for Upton now. A good ML’er, all be it a reliever(but one that would solidify the back end with closer potential) and two good prospects of need. If the Rays are comfortable with giving Guyer LF for 2012, it could fill out the roster, especially if they want to move a SP for catching help.

by budman3 on Jan 24, 2012 7:41 PM EST reply actions  

Bleacher Report was advocating Upton for Espinoza

Im not sure how much I like Espinoza more than seanrod. Struggles versus rhp and strikes out a bunch, but switch hitting abilities are nice. Im assuming they would play lombardozzi at second.

by BossmanJunior333 on Jan 24, 2012 8:17 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Espinosa*

Before anyone else caught that

by BossmanJunior333 on Jan 24, 2012 8:18 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Too bad it's Bleacher Report.

I would be down for Espinosa. 3.5 WAR as a rookie 2b who plays good defense. Plus, he’s had more success and achieved more of his potential in the majors leagues already than Rodriguez has. I like Rodriguez a lot, but Espinosa seems like the guy Rodriguez was supposed to be, so why wouldn’t you prefer that?

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by SandalsNoPants on Jan 24, 2012 8:30 PM EST up reply actions  

Espinosa is a natural shortstop too

Could allow rodriguez to go back to the super utility role.

Shameless rosterbation…

Upton for Espinosa
Davis for Norris and Carter

by BossmanJunior333 on Jan 24, 2012 8:55 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

As is Carter

Sorry should have specified the teams involved.

Im not high on Carter, but I would like to get Norris.

by BossmanJunior333 on Jan 24, 2012 9:07 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

I'm on board with OBP = life, and I love secondary skills

But Norris hit .235 at adv-A and .210 last year at AA. I get that batting average is overrated — way overrated — but right now he’s a .150 hitter in the majors.

by AndrewTorrez on Jan 24, 2012 9:10 PM EST up reply actions  

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by Transplanted on Jan 24, 2012 9:11 PM EST up reply actions  

For what its worth

.251 BABIP last season. Put up Pena like numbers 18 BB%, 27 K%, iso over .200 and defense continues to improve every year. I see him more as a Napoli type (pre texas ha).

by BossmanJunior333 on Jan 24, 2012 9:24 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

With a .320 OBP, good slugging, and good defense.

I’ll take him. I’d give up Davis straight up for him.

by mr. maniac on Jan 24, 2012 10:47 PM EST up reply actions  

If a three way needed to be created...Rays , Nats, Padres?

..how about Rays send Upton to the Nats, Chirinos to the Padres
Nats send Desmond to the Padres and Tyler Moore to the Rays
Padres send Hundley to the Rays and Bartlett to the Nats.

by budman3 on Jan 24, 2012 11:17 PM EST up reply actions  

That actually seems kind of even at first glancr

I still hope we could get more for upton though. Upton and Chirinos for Hundley and Moore seems light. I would hope Upton could net that alone without Chirinos being involved.

by BossmanJunior333 on Jan 24, 2012 11:45 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

No way.

The Rays would have to be crazy to trade Upton and not get something great.

by mr. maniac on Jan 25, 2012 10:15 AM EST up reply actions  

TRADE UPTON FOR A RELIEVER!!

you are terrible.

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by pudieron89 on Jan 24, 2012 8:23 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

A reliever, a 1st baseman and a MiIF'er

Come July 31st, would you trade him for a 1st baseman, a MiIF’er and……. a reliever?

by budman3 on Jan 24, 2012 8:49 PM EST up reply actions  

MILF.

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by SandalsNoPants on Jan 24, 2012 8:52 PM EST up reply actions  

I'd trade him for a milf and a ham sammich.

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by pudieron89 on Jan 24, 2012 9:31 PM EST up reply actions  

For me, it's an exponential function.

It gets really out of control in their 90s.

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by SandalsNoPants on Jan 25, 2012 7:22 AM EST up reply actions  

that certainly depends on the standings, doesn't it MR budman3?

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by pudieron89 on Jan 24, 2012 9:31 PM EST up reply actions  

Yes it does but to my point, what does it matter if a reliever is in the package? Now or later?

If the Rays get a couple of good prospects and happen to also get a ML reliever in the deal, what’s the issue? Is it just that I named Hernandez first(as the rostered ML’er that might interest them). Seems to me that Upton’s value should bring back some combination of a ML’er and at least a top 50-75 prospect(maybe two). I don’t think the Rays would get hung up if the ML’er was a quality reliever and any prospects were valued by them.

by budman3 on Jan 24, 2012 9:46 PM EST up reply actions  

So you're trading Upton for a reliever? Got it.

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by Sandy Kazmir on Jan 25, 2012 12:38 AM EST up reply actions  

I hate ESPN baseball analysts

Just had a poll on the show of who was gonna win the AL, had 5 choices and Rays, of course, were not one of them, THEN they say “should the Jays be on this list” …… What the hell

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by rickdr23 on Jan 24, 2012 11:02 PM EST reply actions  

Tigers, Yankees, Red Sox, Rangers, Angels?

All but the Tigers are probably better teams than us, but given the Tigers big splash they just made, you can’t blame people for jumping on their bandwagon

by benderbrodriguez on Jan 24, 2012 11:11 PM EST up reply actions  

And you forgot the "should the Jays be on this list" comment....

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by rickdr23 on Jan 24, 2012 11:18 PM EST up reply actions  

Boesch, Raburn, Inge, and Jackson are def streaky hitters.

Sox aren’t close to us. Angels are extremely old, and Haren is the key to alot of their success I believe. I don’t trust any team with Colby Lewis as their #1 starter, and the Yankees adding Pineda was huge for them unfortunately. The Jays comment blew me out of the water.

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by rickdr23 on Jan 24, 2012 11:53 PM EST up reply actions  

Sox's lineup is devestating

Their rotation isn’t awful, although it has more question marks than ours no doubt

by benderbrodriguez on Jan 25, 2012 12:08 AM EST up reply actions  

I think they will win the division, Rays WC team, Yanks third, Jays huge sleeper

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by sc_monsta1015 on Jan 25, 2012 12:08 AM EST up reply actions  

Very fair

I tend to be optimistic, which might not be a good thing.

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by sc_monsta1015 on Jan 25, 2012 12:11 AM EST up reply actions  

I really don't see the Yankees being 3rd after they got Pineda and Kuroda.

They’re the only lock for the playoffs in my mind.

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by SandalsNoPants on Jan 25, 2012 7:25 AM EST up reply actions  

No one is a lock for the playoffs

But the Yankees do have the lowest variance roster, no question

by benderbrodriguez on Jan 25, 2012 12:27 PM EST up reply actions  

While they have big talent, I don't think they will put it together this year

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by sc_monsta1015 on Jan 25, 2012 12:10 AM EST up reply actions  

I see it like:

Rangers
Yankees
Rays
Tigers
Angels
Sox
Jays

This is obviously biased and bold, but I believe this list could be flipped any and every way possible, excluding the Jays. Speaking of the Jays, I love the direction they are heading, and would love it more if they weren’t in the ALE.
Bold prediction: the Jays will finish 3rd in the division this year, in front of whoever implodes (I’m thinking and hoping Yankees).

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by sc_monsta1015 on Jan 25, 2012 12:07 AM EST up reply actions  

The Angels are really, really good

Daren, Weaver, Wilson, Pujols, Kendrick, are all probable all stars, and Bourjos, Aybar, Callaspo, Hunter, Trumbo all project as above average players (some with all-star upside). Not to mention that Mike Trout’s waiting in the wings

by benderbrodriguez on Jan 25, 2012 12:11 AM EST up reply actions  

Like I said, I'm optimistic

Heck, I’m predicting the Yanks will fall apart and the Angles won’t put it together. Maybe it’s bed time.

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by sc_monsta1015 on Jan 25, 2012 12:19 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

=sleeper team

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by sc_monsta1015 on Jan 25, 2012 12:16 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Jays have major upside, but they still need back end pitching BADLY.

And yes I like the Angels, they are old, and now that I think about it, a injury to someone might be a bad thing to be able to bring Trout back. Rangers pitching is way suspect in my view, lineup is nice, but where we really differ is on the Sox. Ellsbury won’t have a year like that, Ortiz is really done, Youkilis’s back is off the health radar, Crawford is gone for a while at beginning and is just looking awful, they traded the spark plug Reddick, Aviles at SS (really), and their top 3 pitchers are a walking injury. I think they finish 4th.

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by rickdr23 on Jan 25, 2012 12:17 AM EST up reply actions  

Also to mention that Cherington is dumping minute payroll of production

to probably sign Oswalt, who will join Youkilis on the lower back orthopedic chair every day, and their fans are really nervous about what he is doing. Trust is not anywhere in that organization at the moment. Its in shambles.

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by rickdr23 on Jan 25, 2012 12:19 AM EST up reply actions  

Their position players need more work than their pitching really almost

Adam Lind at 1B? Thames in CF? No one at DH?

These are 3 positions they’re getting basically REPLACEMENT level production from. The Rays don’t even have that many below average positions (assuming you think Luke Scott can be a league average DH)

by benderbrodriguez on Jan 25, 2012 12:20 AM EST up reply actions  

Rasmus will play CF, he won't be as awful last year...

and I really like Rajai, but he is their 4th of behind Rivera. Encarcion is their DH. If Lawrie plays like last year, their lineup is pretty potent. but they won’t make playoffs no.

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by rickdr23 on Jan 25, 2012 12:22 AM EST up reply actions  

If Rasmus is in CF, they're screwed in LF

Encarnacion at DH has little to no value, I would think

by benderbrodriguez on Jan 25, 2012 12:38 AM EST up reply actions  

Encarnacion was actually pretty respectable at DH second half of the season

which is when they got him away from 3B. For his cost he’s pretty good value.

You’re right that we’re a ways away though, 1B and LF are still big question marks and behind Romero and Morrow we only have a few probables atm. Best guess is that Alvarez will be a very tidy addition to the rotation this year, he’s going to be very good, the rest of our depth is all question marks though.

The Jays will be an above .500 team this year, if only for having Johnson/Rasmus/Lawrie fulltime and having Arencibia healthy. We’ll likely not threaten you guys for a playoff spot though.

by TtD on Jan 25, 2012 1:56 PM EST up reply actions  

Yup

I still like the direction they are heading—made a couple nice trades; young talent—and while it won’t be enough this year, I think they have a bright future.

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by sc_monsta1015 on Jan 25, 2012 12:23 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

But let me make this clear, I mean sleeper team in the ALE, not playoffs.

I think the upside is a third place finish in the division with a little help from somebody.

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by sc_monsta1015 on Jan 25, 2012 12:25 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

he played last year for a contract, he was gung ho on having a good year

and the only reason he came back to Sox was because nooone wanted him, he is late thirties and his wall that he will hit will be quick quick, and when they started faltering in beginning a little, he will mail it in. I’m positive.

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by rickdr23 on Jan 25, 2012 12:23 AM EST up reply actions  

You're actually being quite negative.

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by sc_monsta1015 on Jan 25, 2012 12:28 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

About Ortiz, well yes. Thats the point of believing he is gonna hit the proverbial wall.

I’ll attempt to be more positive about my negative thoughts on someone

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by rickdr23 on Jan 25, 2012 12:35 AM EST up reply actions  

^^^^^ delete delete delete

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by rickdr23 on Jan 25, 2012 12:41 AM EST up reply actions  

To me, as long as he doesn't hit a bomb, I'm fine.

He is worse than Sid Bream on the basepaths and actually holds up the other runner more often than not.

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