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Deep Thoughts: Off-Season Edition

Pitchers and catchers report sooner than you think. It's fewer than 30 days now. That means the off-season is nearly over. In today's edition of Deep Thoughts I asked Mike Axisa, Editor and Chief of River Ave Blues, for his opinion of the Rays winter and asked him a few questions about the Yankees 2012 outlook. Enjoy.

Erik Hahmann: As an outsider, albeit with some bias as a Yankee fan, how do you feel about the off-season the Rays have had thus far?

Mike Axisa: Pretty good considering they didn't [do] much of anything until the last two weeks or so. I don't really understand the Fernando Rodney pickup, but one-year and $2M for a reliever isn't the end of the world. Jose Molina can't hit at all, but he's really good on defense and can actually throw some runners out. I remember the Yankees running wild on Robinson Chirinos when he first came up last season.

Without looking up any numbers, it feels like Tampa's gotten nothing out of their DH spot the last few years, and Luke Scott should fix that. He might be insufferable, but he can hit if healthy. The Pena pickup scares me only because he tends to destroy the Yankees. Casey Kotchman had a nice year in 2011, but that doesn't change the fact that he's still Casey Kotchman -- a powerless first baseman. Pena can actually hit the ball out of the park on occasion and fits into the whole run prevention idea on defense.

Here's the question I have for you: are you worried about the offense against lefties at all? There's a lot of good southpaws in the division, and Pena, Scott, and Matt Joyce all have pronounced splits.

EH: The numbers aren't pretty if you look them up, but Johnny Damon was an average hitter last season. He hit third the most home runs from the DH position, but that says more about the current state of DH's than anything.

I'm not so much worried. Scott actually has an .801 OPS against lefties over the past three seasons -- I'll take that from Pena or Joyce in a heartbeat. People freak out about Pena's numbers against lefties, but his OBP over the past three seasons is higher than Kotchman's, yet there wasn't a rallying cry to platoon him last season. Strikeouts scare people. That's not going to change. It's a bit more troubling with Joyce, but I don't think there's a big enough sample to be making definitive statements. He's going to get every chance to hit them until he proves he can't and someone like Brandon Guyer platoons with him. Also, it isn't like the Rays lineup is short of right handed hitters; Upton, Longoria, Jennings and Rodriguez excel against southpaws. If the lineup is staggered properly it shouldn't be too big of an issue.

Two questions for you: How do you expect the Rays rotation situation to shake out. Ditto for the Yankees? Is Burnett going to be the fifth starter?

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MA: I have no idea what the Yankees are going to do with their fifth starter, my opinion changes by the day. I really don't feel all that strongly about who should get the spot (Burnett, Phil Hughes, or Freddy Garcia), and I think each candidate has their strengths and weaknesses.

I've seen Wade Davis' name pop up in trade rumors this winter, but I figure that will change with Pena and Scott signed. Matt Moore's new contract means they might as well start him in the bigs since there's no point in keeping his service time down, so I guess either Davis or Jeff Niemann will be the odd man out. Part of me thinks they should trade Niemann before his shoulder explodes again.

One thing I'm really curious to see is the David Price situation, since he's going to get really expensive soon via arbitration. From the outside, it seems like he's a candidate to be traded within the next year. What do you think?

EH: As a Rays fan I hope to see Burnett in pinstripes next season. If he doesn't start, though, what role would he take? They couldn't put him in the pen, could they?

Trading Niemann would be ideal in that sense, sure, but Davis and his contract would likely net a bigger return. They actually could move both if they felt strongly enough about Alex Cobb, but I doubt they want to go into the season with two rookie starters.

Yeah, it's been talked about around here how Price may be a candidate to be traded before James Shields. He would net a huge return, for sure. Imagine if the Rays are out of the race at the trade deadline and have Price to dangle as trade bait? Local fans would flip out, but I'm sure it's something Friedman would certainly entertain.

Since you brought up DH's earlier, who do you think the Yankees are going to sign? Or will they rotate their older players like they did last season?

MA: I was hoping they'd sign Pena, but that's off the table now. They've talked about trading Burnett for a DH type (bad contract for bad contract) or a younger pitcher for a cost-controlled bat, but I don't think either will happen. I think they're just waiting for Johnny Damon to drop his price into the one-year, $2-3M range, then they'll sign him. They know him, he knows them, easy move to make.

I think they will put Burnett in the pen if it comes to that, and there reasons to think he'll do well in that role. He tends to lose velocity after 60-75 pitches or so, he gets hit much harder the second and third time through the order, and he could just scrap his changeup and go with the fastball-curveball at all times.

I'm sure these things will work themselves out, the extra starters and the lack of a clearly defined DH. It's hard to complain when those are your two biggest problems.

EH: Are you suggesting that money is an object for the Yankees when it comes to signing Damon? They just traded for Michael Pineda and signed Hiroki Kuroda to fill out what was a weak rotation. Being a Rays fan, how scared should I be of those two?

MA: Yeah, money is always an object. $1 isn't really $1 to the Yankees, it's $1.40 because of the luxury tax. If money was no object, they'd be fitting Prince Fielder for pinstripes right now.

I think Kuroda is more important in terms of 2012 while Pineda is more of a long-term thing. They need Kuroda to step in and basically do what Burnett can't, and that's eat innings at an above-average rate. Pineda still has to work on the changeup and keep the ball down, but man is he starting from a high baseline. More than a strikeout per inning and fewer than three walks per nine last year as a 22-year-old in the AL? His ERA will inevitable go up with the league and ballpark switch, but that kind of performance will do just fine.

What was it like from your perspective to see one of the Rays' primary competitors pull off two moves like that in a matter of hours?

EH: Adding those two knocked the Rays from the top of any type of divisional power rankings, so that wasn't fun. Like you said, Kuroda is more important this season and he scares the hell out of me. A career 3.55 FIP is no joke. I'll still take the Rays rotation over the Yankees', though. The bullpens are each pretty solid, though the Rays have a lot of questions in Lueke and Rodney. The Yankees' offense is going to be better than the Rays, but with the additions they've made the Rays should score a lot more runs than last season.

What do you see A-Rod being able to contribute this season?

MA: I really have no idea. He looked great in Spring Training and early in the season last year -- .304/.379/.509 through the beginning of July -- but then he hurt his knee and jammed his thumb and just wasn't the same. He's been on the DL in each of the last four years, and at this point I'm hoping for 140 games and a .370-ish wOBA but will settle for 125 and .360. He's not the A-Rod of old, but I also think he's actually kind of underrated these days. Third base is pretty weak around the league, and there's a large faction of fans -- including Yankees fans -- that think he's morphed into a .270 singles hitter, and that's not the case.

EH: Gun to your head, give me some predictions for the Yankees this season

MA: They're going to win a lot of games, but that's the easy part. Curtis Granderson won't hit 41 homers again, but he will come close. I do think Mark Teixeira will get his batting average (and OBP) out of the gutter after acknowledging that he changed his swing because the short porch in right is so tempting. David Robertson will be good but not as super amazingly awesome as last season, and Rafael Soriano will actually contribute more than Cory Wade. Really going out on the limb with that last one!

Thanks again to Mike for joining me. Follow him on Twitter @mikeaxisa. He may root for the enemy, but he's still a must follow.

Deep Thought of the day:

"Dad always thought laughter was the best medicine, which I guess is why several of us died of tuberculosis."

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Nice read.

I can’t wait for the season to get underway.

by Peter Piontek on Jan 25, 2012 11:16 AM EST reply actions  

i can't wait for baseball period

i plan on going and seeing some ST games for the Cards/Marlins just to get my baseball fix. Rays are only making one visit to this part of Florida…and it’s on a workday. Blah.

"Please break your typewriter and computer and never come out of your ass cave again"

by pudieron89 on Jan 25, 2012 2:29 PM EST up reply actions  

who is this dude? do you suspect the Rays will be worse than their 31-19 record v LHP

this season? We’ve a full season of Jennings and probably more full time ABs for Sean Rod than last year when we were 31-19

except for some unknown Japanese guy on BAL who’s the LHP added to ALE’s rotation?

follow me on twitter @sternfan10

by sternfan1 on Jan 25, 2012 12:02 PM EST reply actions   2 recs

So it's agreed that the Sox will miss the playoffs?

I’m concerned that this is gonna be the year that the Red Sox finally end up underrated for once

by XrayYankeeZulu on Jan 25, 2012 12:32 PM EST reply actions  

Not really

1. Yankees
2. Rays
3. Red Sox

Believe in the Fuld

by RayJzone on Jan 25, 2012 2:00 PM EST up reply actions  

let's hope Lackey continues to hang out in the clubhouse and cater this season!

"Please break your typewriter and computer and never come out of your ass cave again"

by pudieron89 on Jan 25, 2012 2:30 PM EST up reply actions  

Red Sox still underachieving

Turmoil and change with front office and manager. SS/RF issues. Pitching staff weakness at #4/#5. Team culture that needs a major overhaul. Points toward underachieving this year. Don’t see more regression by Yankees beyond 95 games. Rays improving to 93 games leaves the Red Sox as odd man out..again.

Believe in the Fuld

by RayJzone on Jan 25, 2012 2:52 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't see why.

The Red Sox lineup is incredibly good.

by mr. maniac on Jan 25, 2012 2:55 PM EST up reply actions  

who's going to break out on the Red Sox in 2012?

Pedroia, Gonzalez, Youkilis are all very good, and the Red Sox can probably expect a similar level of production in 2012 unless one of them suffers a serious injury.

Ellsbury is going to return to earth with a vengeance. Ortiz was a candidate to be released back in 2009. The pile of garbage the Red Sox intend to run out at SS is going to be a severe downgrade both in the field and at the plate.

Crawford might be a bounce-back candidate, but he’s hurt, and wrist injuries can destroy a career. Kalish is hurt. The guys the Red Sox brought in to replace them (Ross and Sweeney) are spare parts.

Don’t get me wrong: the Red Sox lineup will probably go over 800 runs again this year, but I could see a massive dropoff from the 875 they scored last year.

by AndrewTorrez on Jan 25, 2012 5:30 PM EST up reply actions  

Their team is relatively high variance (Lackey, Buchholz, Youkilis, Crawford, Ellsbury, Beckett, Bard)

But people mistake that for “everything has to click right for them to be good”. That’s not the case. Beckett, Youkilis, Crawford, and Ellsbury each all have 40+% chances of being all-stars (I’d guess), but they could also end up not being that good (due to injury, or in Ellsbury’s case regression). Still the median performances from all these guys is quite good

by benderbrodriguez on Jan 25, 2012 2:56 PM EST up reply actions  

don't forget massive regression from Ellsbury

I mean, unless he’s signed up Barry Bonds’ trainer from 2001, there’s absolutely nothing in his history that would suggest he’s capable of repeating 2011.

Beckett is coming off of his best season ever.

Youkilis is injury-prone and (to me, anyway) looked awful at 3B. UZR/150 says he was merely bad (-3.7).

Crawford is hurt. Ortiz is 36. Management is thinking of screwing with Alfredo Aceves by putting him in the rotation. Papelbon — annoying as this is to admit — was a 3-win player last year.

Nick Punto!

I think there are a lot of scenarios under which the 2012 Red Sox are worse than their 2011 counterparts.

by AndrewTorrez on Jan 25, 2012 5:21 PM EST up reply actions  

Here's the thing though

Even WITH heavy regression (say, half the WAR), Ellsbury is still an all-star. Beckett is still a 4+ win pitcher. etc.

People tend to just say “the Red Sox have question marks, who knows how good Ellsbury will be?” but even if he does half of what he did last year he’ll still be one of the best CF in baseball (instead of one of the best baseball players period). Same with Beckett.
Youkilis, Crawford are indeed injury prone, but even with all his injuries the last two year, Youk’s averaged ~4 wins, and CC is 1 year removed from being an MVP caliber player. These guys aren’t certain things, but even if they don’t live up to their upside, they’re still damn good. For them to not give significant production would be a very unlikely decline.

by benderbrodriguez on Jan 25, 2012 5:43 PM EST up reply actions  

right, I'm not projecting them to finish below the Orioles or anything

I’m just saying I’m not certain that what’s shaping up to be the 2012 Red Sox is better than the 2011 version.

Now: one pretty obvious counter-argument is that the Red Sox pythag would have been 94-68 (as opposed to 90-72) last year, so with average luck and in-game management, all they need is to be as good as they were in 2011 to be a potential division winner. That’s fair.

I just think the Red Sox have a lot of downside, and not a lot of depth — which is pretty weird for a team that got killed last September for, well, not having depth.

by AndrewTorrez on Jan 25, 2012 5:50 PM EST up reply actions  

Two things important for the Sawks

1) Healthy Buchholz
2) Back end of bullpen

Their offense will be fine but, the same as last year, it can’t always outhit good pitching. Thus it falls on the bullpen to limit late-inning runs, and on Buchholz to stay healthy and add another quality starter to the likes of Beckett and Lester.

by tampagator on Jan 25, 2012 6:05 PM EST up reply actions  

you misspelled buttholz

"Please break your typewriter and computer and never come out of your ass cave again"

by pudieron89 on Jan 25, 2012 7:42 PM EST up reply actions  

To me it is less about Boston

and more about Tampa. No chance Boston has the rash of injuries and falls on its face last last year again. Having said that, with the improvements Tampa has made + healthy Longo + likely an improved Dprice + Moore I’m feeling really, really good about this team.

With all the swoons on offense and the terrible losses to the cincinnatis, seattles, and baltimores (for example), injuries, and blackholes at SS/C this team still won 90 games. I don’’t see anyone in line for major regression either.

by BenZorbist on Jan 25, 2012 6:13 PM EST up reply actions  

An improved Price?

How good are you expecting him to be?

by mr. maniac on Jan 25, 2012 6:41 PM EST up reply actions  

We're just arguing semantics here.

But I think it’s reasonable to call Price’s expected regression “improvement.”

Also, i don’t give him much credit/blame for the HRs, but that’s another topic.

by Whelk on Jan 25, 2012 7:34 PM EST up reply actions  

Sure.

I just tend to think of FIP as results and I find it (strangely) annoying when people act like it isn’t.

by mr. maniac on Jan 25, 2012 7:48 PM EST up reply actions  

I wasn't getting into advanced stats (though I should have)

I was thinking of the lower-order batters who touched him up late in games, games TB eventually lost.

What I was thinking was if Dprice could evolve as a pitcher (maybe do better with secondary pitches) he could be even better than in 2011.

by BenZorbist on Jan 25, 2012 9:53 PM EST up reply actions  

Pitchers can *almost* never be projected to do better

Shields pre-2011 was one of the few exceptions to this. As of now the only pitchers I would say are fairly projectable to improve are Greinke and Burnett

by benderbrodriguez on Jan 25, 2012 10:37 PM EST up reply actions  

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