Why Keppinger?
What was a rumor as early as last week gained steam yesterday afternoon and was finally completed very late yesterday, pending the required physical per ESPN's Jerry Crasnick. We know that Andrew Friedman loves to do work in January, but potentially making two moves official in the same week is a breakneck pace for him after a December that seemed like it was 57 days long.
Let's assume that passing the physical is as routine as accepting a four-pitch intentional walk and look at why the Rays were interested in acquiring a player that will be playing for his sixth major league team in eight seasons of professional baseball.
On the surface, Keppinger is a bat-first player with a well-earned reputation as a contact hitter and someone that hits left-handed pitching well. As a full-time player in 2008 with Cincinnati and 2010 with Houston, Keppinger was the toughest player to strike out in the National League. In 2008, he struck out once every 19.1 at bats and in 2010, he led the league with a 14.3 total. He is at his best when hitting lefties as he has struck out in just four percent of his 660 plate appearances against them in his career.
This is also a player that has hit well in certain situations. Keppinger has hit .283/.360/.392 with runners in scoring position in 547 plate appearances in his career. He has spent a majority of his career hitting in the second spot in his lineup, and it is easy to envision hit and run opportunities for him against left-handed pitching given his high-contact abilities and talents in controlling the bat. In 1490 plate appearances hitting in that spot of the lineup, he has but 95 strikeouts.
The bat-first term is used loosely because that terminology is usually mentioned when talking about guys like Jack Cust, back when he could actually hit of course. Keppinger is your prototypical high-contact hitter that sprays the ball around the yard but rarely puts one one in the bleachers. It is also said that he lacks as much power at the plate as he does range in the field. Fangraphs shows his UZR/150 scores as -3.5 at second base in 2315 innings, -12.1 at shortstop in 1397 innings, and -4.2 at third base in 761 innings of play. Baseball Prospectus grades Keppinger as nearly three field runs below average for his career. The 2012 Bill James Handbooks is no less kinder to Keppinger as it states Keppinger costs his team 12 runs on defense last season with his play at second base and 21 runs over the past three seasons. Those totals were the worst and the second worst for each category.
He has spent an overwhelming majority of his career at those three positions while playing just 73 innings at first base or the outfield, so any talk of using Keppinger in platoon situations with Matt Joyce or Carlos Pena may be a bit premature until we hear how the team plans on utilizing him. Then again, about the only thing we can rule out with Joe Maddon is that Keppinger is not likely to catch in 2012, but anything else is on the table.
Coming off a season in which the Rays' bench had defensive talents such as Reid Brignac and Elliot Johnson, this is a step in a different direction that Friedman has hinted at a few times this off-season. Most recently, he was quoted in the Luke Scott conference call as saying:
"We obviously value defense a lot, but there's times where enough offense trips that line and makes it something that makes sense for the team."
What kind of trip across the line does Keppinger add to the equation? For that, we cite two of the brains in our community - Sandy Kazmir & Whelk. As Sandy put it in his piece over at the Rays Way the other day:
According to The Book, you can't merely look at how a player has performed against same-handed and opposite-handed pitchers because, for the most part, you're dealing with small samples relative to what you need to feel confident predicting what a batter will do in these situations. Regression allows us to look at what a player has actually done while also factoring in what an average batter has done in similar situations to get a much better idea of how that batter will perform going forward. ... One caveat is that with players with obscenely small plate appearance numbers, you're going to find that players are so heavily regressed that it tells us more about the average player than the one we're concerned with.
Last night, Whelk shared with the community the spreadsheet he developed to help everyone do exactly what Sandy described in his piece. Using that spreadsheet, we see the following regressed projections for the middle infielders that Keppinger now joins, assuming all of them survive the required clearing of a 40 man roster spot once Keppinger is added.
As fans, we have become accustomed to Sean Rodriguez and his ability to handle left-handed pitching, so seeing that he and Keppinger share a similar regressed wOBA in that split is comforting. Consider that the entirety of major league baseball had a wOBA of .317 against left-handed pitching putting both Rodriguez and Keppinger well above that figure while Johnson and Brignac come in well below that figure.
Keppinger was forced into full-time duty on less talented teams by less conventional managers in the past. He now gets to play for a manager who recognizes the strengths of platooning players. He is also coming to a team that diligently works to have their defenders in the best possible position to make a defensive play based on the historical batted ball data of that hitter. At a minimum, this roster move crosses that imaginative line between defensive and offensive needs for the team and perhaps some of the defensive strategery that the Rays employ can help soften any of Keppinger's detrimental effects to the team defense.
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This is exactly why I don't like the signing
I realize most see him as an upgrade over Helliot, but what I see is a redundant player. Sean-Rod-lite, if you will. That said, we’re still only talking about the 25th best player on the team, so it’s not a huge deal. I just don’t understand it.
Answer: Reid Brignac and Elliot Johnson suck
And calling him Sean Rod lite diminishes Rodriguez as a defensive player of which he is a very good pne
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Agreed. The front office has lost faith in Briggs, plain and simple. bat
The same for Elliot. It may be the 25th man, but damn this could help our splits. Our problem is not SRod, and his plus defense deserves respect. he’s definitely the starting shortstop next year
by d.russ on Jan 26, 2012 8:32 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
I wasn't trying to diminish Rodriguez' defense
It just seems strange to me to bring in a bench player whose strength replicates rather than supplements players already on board.
As Mike Axisa said yesterday, splits against LHP for Pena, Scott, Joyce are not great
So adding Kepp to the bench helps a ton. The 1B/2B/SS/RF/DH combos available with Joyce, Zobrist and SRod are already impressive, but Kepp gives a fine reason to pull Joyce out of the mix against southpaws and up the offense a little.
by d.russ on Jan 26, 2012 9:01 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
just as an fyi, imo i stopped reading that Q & A when he called Scott insufferable and Weik never challenged him
also as it was brought to my attention Pena’s splots the last 4 years v LHP are something to behold
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by FreeZorilla on Jan 26, 2012 12:19 PM EST up reply actions
ummmm... not reeally. reid is a SS that fares best against RHP.
Keppinger is a 2B that fares best against LHP.
hence the "lite"
Hits lefty pitching, but with less power. Plays multiple positions, but not as well.
Here's my question: Will the Rays go with just one utl mif
and use another spot for the 4th OFer—Guyer or a FA signee?
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Yup
That glove, baserunning skills, ability to play all 3 OF spots, and attitude would seemingly guarantee him that 4th OF job
by Jason Collette on Jan 26, 2012 8:55 AM EST up reply actions
I'd call Fuld a non-prototypical 4th/5th OF
I think he’ll have a lot of value in a defensive replacement role, pinch runner role, or something like that.
I don’t value him as the OF needs a day off let’s put Fuld out there type of 4th OF.
The Rays would be best served by having a 4th OF with some pop in his bat. If BJ needs a day off DJ goes to center and this bat goes to LF or if a LHP was starting and the Rays didn’t want to disrupt the MIF they could put this guy in LF and move DJ to RF or put this guy in to RF.
thank you MrNeg, i thought that was pretty clear to all Rays fans, Fuld is a lock to make this team
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I have Fuld making the team
This isn’t that difficult, either Kepp is our only utl mif or like last season we have two (Brignac & E. Johnson)
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It would be more like the Rays to keep 2 guys who can play a good SS
That is why I think Brignac will make the team.
If not Srod would have to play everyday at SS
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EJ will get tried through waivers and Briggy starts the year in Durham
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by Sandy Kazmir on Jan 26, 2012 9:24 AM EST up reply actions
Get Bex some time at 2nd?
probably should happen.
by Peter Piontek on Jan 26, 2012 9:26 AM EST up reply actions
What are you basing this on? The Tim Beckham that I've seen play is fine at SS. Until Lee proves he can do anything with the stick at AAA you can't even play that card.
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by Sandy Kazmir on Jan 26, 2012 9:30 AM EST up reply actions
If Briggy starts in Durham, I'm assuming he would play at SS
by benderbrodriguez on Jan 26, 2012 9:32 AM EST up reply actions
Maybe, maybe not, he's there to work on his bat
In this scenario you can’t rule out Bex starting in AA and Lee back in A+. Both these guys are so young and just need a spot to play everyday.
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by Sandy Kazmir on Jan 26, 2012 9:34 AM EST up reply actions
If Briggy goes to Durham.
I think Beckham can stick at Short but I don’t think if Briggy goes to Durham that he sits on the bench.
by Peter Piontek on Jan 26, 2012 9:32 AM EST up reply actions
I like the part where you support your opinion
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by Sandy Kazmir on Jan 26, 2012 9:41 AM EST up reply actions
I have throughtout the thread.
Essentially it boils down to whether or not you think we carry a defensive minded SS that has had the most success of anyone who can play SS against 70% of pitchers. Reid’s career wRC+ against RHP is higher than S-Rod’s. Why would tehy demote him?
To free up the roster spot to see what we've got in other guys that we aren't as invested in.
You could make the opposite argument that it’s Canzler that goes down while giving Scott a chance to play everyday, which makes as much sense. I’m just very frustrated with Brignac and would prefer he gets the chance to play everyday while honing his swing in meaningless games.
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by Sandy Kazmir on Jan 26, 2012 9:49 AM EST up reply actions
he's had all offseason to "hone his swing."
i just would be shocked if we don’t carry a single SS that is average defensively and only one that is better than -10.
It's not worth have Brignac on the roster so that he can get 7 PAs a week and maybe 21 innings in the field.
Rodriguez is, at worst, -5 in the field. You can carry that if it allows you to do other things with your roster spots.
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by Sandy Kazmir on Jan 26, 2012 9:55 AM EST up reply actions
how do you figure s-rod is "at worst, -5 in the field?"
why is canzler getting 10 PAs a week better than Reid getting 20? every PA/def. inning reid plays against RHP is a net-gain compared to S-Rod. Your numbers just showed that. What is the regressed platoon split on scott/canzler? is there a proven gain there per zips?
In a 1/3 of one season he's been +3.1/150 there. That means exactly shit, but it's nice to see the numbers confirming
what I think we all saw with our eyes. His range might be a tick down from Brignac, but he’s got a strong arm and can really flip it on the DP. My numbers showed that Roddy is a 6% batter against righties so I’m not sure where you get that bullsnatch from. Canzler would be expected to hit lefties at a .316 wOBA based on a .305 projection. He gives us a serious weapon against lefties if you think he’s north of that projection, and I do.
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by Sandy Kazmir on Jan 26, 2012 10:03 AM EST up reply actions
so canzler's ZIPs against LHP is the same as Scott's?
that “bullsnath” is simple math. you may be familliar with how to calculate the difference in batting runs over a given sample when you have two wOBAs, but here’s a refresher:
.293-.277=.016/1.15*600=8.35 offensive runs
so s-rod is 8.35 offensive runs better over a full season, and we suppose he’s 10 runs worse in the field. therefore he’s a downgrade compared to reid against rhp.
"We" don't suppose he is 10 runs worse. I told you he's -5 at worst, but keep being disingenous with your quoting ability.
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by Sandy Kazmir on Jan 26, 2012 10:17 AM EST up reply actions
Reid is not +5
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by Sandy Kazmir on Jan 26, 2012 10:19 AM EST up reply actions
Welp.
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by Sandy Kazmir on Jan 26, 2012 10:22 AM EST up reply actions
Why? I'm as high up on Bex as you are.
If he can play both MIF positions , it just makes him more valuable.
by Peter Piontek on Jan 26, 2012 9:41 AM EST up reply actions
Ahhh for some reason i thought it was.
I don’t see Briggy back in Durham either. He could end up with another club though.
by Peter Piontek on Jan 26, 2012 9:48 AM EST up reply actions
I believe EJ can elect FA if he clears
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by FreeZorilla on Jan 26, 2012 12:21 PM EST up reply actions
I'm thinking you'll see:
C: Molina/Lobaton
IF: Keppinger
OF: Fuld
Bat: Canzler
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by Sandy Kazmir on Jan 26, 2012 9:23 AM EST up reply actions
But who could play SS other than Srod on that team
That is why I think Briggy makes it
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How many SSs are you allowed to play with at once? How many do you need?
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by Sandy Kazmir on Jan 26, 2012 9:25 AM EST up reply actions
You need more than one guy who can play SS on a team imo
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You know that the roster we start with won't be the one we end up with. Briggy can stay at Durham as long or as short as they need.
Sending him down gives a chance to see what Canzler, Keppinger can do and what Roddy and Joyce would look like in a full time role.
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by Sandy Kazmir on Jan 26, 2012 9:32 AM EST up reply actions
I just disagree
Unless they believe Zobrist or Kepp can play a decent SS I don’t see them only having one guy on the roster that they feel comfortable plugging in at SS
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You're probably right, but I don't think starting the season with Brignac taking a roster spot to sit on the bench so that Roddy can get a chance
to play everyday is an ideal usage.
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by Sandy Kazmir on Jan 26, 2012 9:39 AM EST up reply actions
Who says Roddy will play everyday?
Brignac could get 2 starts a week vs RHP
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I'm sure sporadic play will help him turn around his career. Guy can't hit. Lefties or righties. Coming off the bench for 7 PAs a week isn't going to fix that.
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by Sandy Kazmir on Jan 26, 2012 9:44 AM EST up reply actions
Hey I'm with you on that
I’ve never been high on Brignac(Bartlett bandwagon leader!). I’m just stating what I think the Rays will do
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Neither is near useful. Why take the hit AND waste the roster spot when you can just deal with the fact that you're not going to hit righties.
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by Sandy Kazmir on Jan 26, 2012 9:50 AM EST up reply actions
I've got Briggy expected to hit righties at a .277 wOBA (.247 against lefties) and Roddy expected to hi
.293 against righties and .319 against lefties using regressed platoon splits and Zips forecasted overalls.
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by Sandy Kazmir on Jan 26, 2012 9:51 AM EST up reply actions
so that's a 4 run difference over 300 PAs which means Reid is a run or two betetr over that time frame.
what about Canzler vs. Scott there?
Scott's expected to hit righties at .341 and lefties at .314, though his .335 overall is probably a touch low
Projecting Canzler this way is virtually worthless since he has 5 ML PAs so we know almost nothing about his splits and his Zips are completely based on MLEs
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by Sandy Kazmir on Jan 26, 2012 9:57 AM EST up reply actions
Better than going from your gut, chief.
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by Sandy Kazmir on Jan 26, 2012 10:04 AM EST up reply actions
how the hell do you figure im "going from the gut?" im the one using actual numbers. you are the one supposing we carry a bat only guy that would hit against only lefties in the dh spot.
oh yeah, and the “numbers” say scott and canzler are even in taht regard, chief.
welcome back. ive missed this.
Based on an overall .305 wOBA from Canzler, I'd push him higher, but I treat everyone the same when compiling the numbers
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by Sandy Kazmir on Jan 26, 2012 10:18 AM EST up reply actions
so "going from the gut" you see a difference in scott vs lhp and canzler?
i thought you also said you thought scott’s zips was low?
You have to factor in that Scott could aggravate the injury or just never be the same guy again
They’re both safe picks for different reasons.
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by Sandy Kazmir on Jan 26, 2012 10:22 AM EST up reply actions
I'd except Chirinos over Lobaton given that Chirinos has more upside
by benderbrodriguez on Jan 26, 2012 9:25 AM EST up reply actions
That's why you start him in Durham so that he can work out his throwing out runners issue. Bring him up when you see improvment or get too frustrated with Lobalina
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by Sandy Kazmir on Jan 26, 2012 9:26 AM EST up reply actions
If Roddy is being given the chance to play everyday, then you just need a guy for emergencies. I'd be fine with Keppinger, Longoria, or Zobrist
playing a couple of innings in the event of an injury or whatever and then calling Brignac up the next day. How many teams have two competent SSs, one just sitting on the bench?
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by Sandy Kazmir on Jan 26, 2012 9:43 AM EST up reply actions
I just wish Andruw hadn't dropped the ball and had made a play for Yunel Escobar.
If Roddy can provide -5 or better defense then he’s as close to a “true SS” as we’ve got, whatever the heck that means.
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by Sandy Kazmir on Jan 26, 2012 9:53 AM EST up reply actions
Somebody should tell that to Asdrubal, Starlin, Yuni, Jeter, Desmond, Bonifacio, Pennington, Carroll, Reyes then
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by Sandy Kazmir on Jan 26, 2012 9:59 AM EST up reply actions
and i have no problem with roddy at SS against LHP and most RHPs, but I'd just be shocked if this team doesn't carry at least one plus defender at SS.
It's a waste of limited resources, at least to start the year. You know that that plus defender is just a phone call away
Try out some other things so you know as many devils as possible and have more information for decisions down the road.
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by Sandy Kazmir on Jan 26, 2012 10:05 AM EST up reply actions
So half of SS are true SS?
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by FreeZorilla on Jan 26, 2012 12:27 PM EST up reply actions
Funny take
But the simple fact is that Rodriguez is just now converting to shortstop. The reason he’s converting there is because in the minors every single coach who worked with him thought he wouldn’t be able to play anything approaching average shortstop, so he was moved to 2B. He hasn’t played SS regularly since 2007 when he was in AA, and he was really only adequate even at 2B.
How many guys move UP the defensive spectrum and suddenly become better defenders? There’s a reason for that positional adjustment. Maybe Rodriguez does improve and become decent at short, but most of the evidence points to his decent defense last year being due to small sample size, not because he’s actually a good defender.
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In addition, Sean Rod had average range for SS last year, it was actually the runs he caused by making errors that brought down his UZR. Being that ErrR is improved with paying time and experience easier than RngR, there is still room for Rodriguez to improve his defense overall.
What is?
1254.1 innings with a total of -0.1 RngR from Reid? The fact that he provided 3.3 of that in 340.2 innings in 2010 would be the SSS, and the 1253.1 total innings in the field at -0.1 would be his true rating.
What sets the two apart defensively?
1254 is about 140 games worth of SS play. I’m not sold that Reid is an “elite” ranging player (5-6ish or more RngR per ~ 1200 innings) from that set of data. But that’s not saying it isn’t possible, players RngR dips all the time as a result from injury. But from what I remember Reid wasn’t suffering any injury, and he wasn’t highly regarded for his defense in the minors.
I don't like this justification
Data is never certain, the more data you have, the stronger evidence you have for something. No amount of data is large enough to be certain of anything, and no amount of data is so small it’s 100% meaningless.
That being said, generally they say you need about 3 seasons (~4000 innings) of defensive data for UZR to portray how good a defender someone is with reasonable accuracy
by benderbrodriguez on Jan 27, 2012 7:19 PM EST up reply actions
I wouldn't say thats entirely correct.
Shortstop was Sean’s primary position in the minors up until 08-09, and wasn’t that around the time Erick Aybar was entrenching himself at SS? Seems like part of the reason they moved him was because f just getting him the majors.
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by TBRaysfan009 on Jan 26, 2012 5:41 PM EST up reply actions
FIELDING PERCENTAGE!!!!
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Now if you can find some UZR/150 numbers(or other advanced defensive stats) on him at SS in the minors, go for it.
If you can, I would think they would reflect his difficulties at the position. His improved numbers as a 2nd baseman in the minors, his GG caliber play at the position, and the vastly, generally accepted opinion that S-Rod is a far superior 2nd baseman than he is a barely average SS now, gives credence to the move to 2nd back in 2008.
And BTW, Aybar was a just as young and struggling a defensive SS all through the minors(played 548 games) as S-Rod at the same time. And he had been only a been a part time SS in the majors(2006-2008) by the time S-Rod got his first chance in 2008.
Seems to me that the Angles had already determined he might be a better 2nd baseman moving forward, even over a similar Aybar. by the time he was 22 and the Rays appear to have felt that as well when they acquired him. To this point as a ML’er his game at 2nd is far superior than at SS. Can he improve? Perhaps, I just think he is a natural 2nd baseman. I like S-Rod as a player and think he is a GG 2nd baseman
If you subscribe to the idea of the defensive spectrum then you'd just penalize him for moving from 2B to SS.
I think it’s safe to say that he’s above average, but let’s be conservative and say he’s around a +5 2B, defensively. There’s around a five run difference between 2B and SS. You should expect Roddy to be an average SS.
Let’s say you don’t put much stock in that and think he should be punished more. Take another 5 off and say he’s -5. That’s around Hanley Ramirez and Jason Bartlett over the last 3 years. As an average glove (550 PA, .310 wOBA*, 0 defense = 1.7 WAR) he should be able to be an everyday player. If you think he’s worse (-5 defense = 1.2 WAR) then maybe you start thinking about how you can limit some of his exposure.
If he can be an everyday player then it allows the Rays a whole lot more roster flexibility.
*Zips has .302, I think .310 is still a bit conservative, but that could be homerism.
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by Sandy Kazmir on Jan 26, 2012 9:23 PM EST up reply actions
Agreed but then the question becomes will Maddon give him that opportunity to be an everyday player?
Either full time at SS or less likely, at 2nd base with Zobrist playing RF against lefties(and sitting Joyce)? And much of that scenario will depend on how Brignac/Joyce fair versus lefties. Prevailing opinion seems to be he needs that everyday PT to improve his hitting, especially as a RH’ed hitter.
But how many RBIs did he have??
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I think you're on to something but i hope it's not Sean Rod that goes
rather Brignac as a throw in, in a deal for a catcher with either Niemann or Davis.
To further bolster your view, if they knew they had Kepp why didn’t they dfa Johnson instead of Ruggs, since we already signed Will Rhymes? Something’s up
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Rhymes is on a minor league deal
So the team would still have had to make 2 40 man moves adding both Pena and Keppinger
by Jason Collette on Jan 26, 2012 8:42 AM EST up reply actions
Of course i know that, my point is why keep Johnson when you've added two MIF to ST already?
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Who knows..
Maybe one was in trade talks and one wasn’t. Maybe they felt Keppinger wasn’t a sure thing a few days ago.
by Jason Collette on Jan 26, 2012 8:50 AM EST up reply actions
or 4 20 man moves
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c'mon puddy, you're way beyond that 7th grade stale humor
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damn I thought so too...not sure what happened to me there. I think I'm alright now, guys.
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Agree with you again
Indians are a possible target, since the player formerly known as Fausto is MIA. Davis/Brignac for Carlos Santana would be amazing.
by d.russ on Jan 26, 2012 8:45 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
and also not happening--Santana is more than a catcher for them, he's a middle of the order bat first, who happens to catch
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Still looking at Colorado
Chacin
Chatwood
Moscoso
Pomeranz
Outman
Nicasio
White
That needs some help. They have Ramon Hernandez, Jordan Pacheco, and Wilin Rosario
by Jason Collette on Jan 26, 2012 8:54 AM EST up reply actions
Almost as amazing as Cobb/Fleming for Castro
You would be laughed at if you proposed either of those trades
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Sean Rod would command a decent amount more than brigs in trade though
I could see the cardinals wanting him with their laughable IF situation
by benderbrodriguez on Jan 26, 2012 9:22 AM EST up reply actions
This was my first reaction
That the reasons for this signing could be evident in a week or so. I think Kepp brings a lot to the table for many teams, but I don’t see how he improves the Rays roster as it now stands.
Bex and Lee invited for spring training too
I think Brignac or S-rod are packing their bags
by playjoyce on Jan 26, 2012 11:11 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Most prospects invited to ST are there to experience what major league ST is all about and to prepare them for the time where they may actually have an opportunity to make the team
There presence this spring will have little or nothing to do with what happens to Brignac or S-Rod during ST, IMO.
I'm ok with this move.
Last year the bench didn’t bring much offensively especially considering many times in the first half of the season we had an offensive black hole occupying 7-9 in the order.
I too would prefer Guyer if it were just a straight up either or and you didn’t have to think about depth. Signing Keppinger to a small contract makes him disposable if he fails and still having Guyer who could come in and replicate what we’re hoping to get offensively.
When an injury happens we will be able to cover for it with all these minor moves that have been made without hurting the team much.
I'm fine with this under two conditions.
(1) Jeff Keppinger will get 50 or less PA against righties. With Brignac and Fuld ont he team, there is no excuse for letting Keppinger be a an awful defender and an awful hitter.
(2) If someone is hurt, Keppinger does not play full time. The Rays would have to call up Tim Beckham or Brandon Guyer. Both of those players are so much better suited for playing full-time.
Sounds good to me
Maddon will probably overplay him a bit though. If he has a flaw, it’s his tendency to have his replacement level guys play too much in order to keep them “fresh”
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You can play him against righties *AS LONG AS* you play him at 2nd and put Zobrist on SS on days where the Rays have a lefty on the mound.
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Actually what I should say is
if you have to play him against a righty, or you get a reverse split situation, you can further mitigate his poor defense by putting him on the side of 2nd less likely to see balls to field. Zobrist can play either spot, so I expect them to be rotated to optimize the lineup and minimize his poor defense.
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This basically means there are now 2 spots for
Brignac
Fuld
Guyer
Canzler
E. Johnson
I still think Briggy and Fuld make it out of that group, but I wouldn’t be shocked if Guyer or Canzler make it over him
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In the Kepp post by slow yesterday
He made a good point about Guyer: “We can eliminate Brandon Guyer from the list pretty easily. While I love him and I think he’s a better offensive player right now than Sam Fuld, the Rays don’t rush prospects.”
And considering Canzler’s defense isn’t much to shake a stick at, it’s likely down to Briggs and EJ
by d.russ on Jan 26, 2012 9:07 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
If the Rays are grooming him to play everyday
They likely want him to play everyday. Remember how long they kept DJ down?
by d.russ on Jan 26, 2012 9:14 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Than Deezy? Did you see Deezy's performance in 09?
by benderbrodriguez on Jan 26, 2012 9:24 AM EST up reply actions
Also It's pretty easy to platoon Kep with Joyce
Just move Zo to right and Kep plays second.
You also could move Zo to first or play Kep at first to platoon with Pena
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Frankly, I'd rather see Joyce against LHP
At least his still brings some pop. I’m just not a fan of sitting Pena/Joyce for a singles hitter. Especially with Guyer on board.
They keep talking about giving him more time
and if he’s the type of guy they’d like to sign to a pre-arb deal over multi-years, then why platoon him?
by Jason Collette on Jan 26, 2012 9:08 AM EST up reply actions
To keep his value down in negotiations
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by FreeZorilla on Jan 26, 2012 12:28 PM EST up reply actions
well obviously Friedman doesn't agree or else he wouldn't have made this signing
Kep is going to play vs lefties
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That does seem to be the plan
Thankfully, these things usually have a way of working themselves out. I’m trying to look at it as 1) the Rays accumulating multiple options and 2) we’re talking about who is going to be the worst player on the team, so chill out.
But it’s hard. I mean, it’s almost February. This winter is too fugging long.
He won't be the worst player on the team at all.
He is going to be very valuable asset.
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Maybe he just needs Lasik
Stranger things have happened.
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Could it be Fuld who is the man out?
I can’t see him cracking the lineup vs RHP. His skills while extremely helpful in a bench player are somewhat superfluous on the Rays.
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I think we have a trade coming and a position player will be included with a pitcher.
it could be anyone.
by Peter Piontek on Jan 26, 2012 9:30 AM EST up reply actions
Definitely wouldn't be the Rays style
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Top 50 total attendance report for baseball teams in the world
Japanese newspaper published a few days ago. A little shocking that there were 9 Japanese & Korean baseball teams had more total/average attendance than rays at 38th, while having less home games. (between 67 to 72) Hope this team brings more bodies upcoming season.
by Patrick Relano Kim on Jan 26, 2012 9:34 AM EST reply actions
HEAR HEAR
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Brignac
Someone blasted him in twitter few days ago, you should spend time in batting cage rather than tweeting or something and Briggy re-tweeted in anger that he’s working on it everyday. Might have been tough season for him. Can he bounce back?
by Patrick Relano Kim on Jan 26, 2012 9:52 AM EST reply actions
thanks for the "endorsement"
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by sternfan1 on Jan 26, 2012 10:17 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Pretty sure he has at some point, maybe it was Maddon
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by FreeZorilla on Jan 26, 2012 12:29 PM EST up reply actions
sorry--wasn't me
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but you have tweeted things at him in the past
mostly about heading to Durham, correct?
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last season, and he didn't like my advice so he followed me long
enough to send me a DM and then blocked me
if you ask me, his mental approach is half the battle—ever see how he bitches in the dugout at an umpire’s strike zone? other players don’t ned that, they’ve got their own problems
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he'd kill me--i'm an old man
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by sternfan1 on Jan 26, 2012 10:34 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
"i'll meat you in the parking lot. ill be the guy dressed like the baseball, no chance you hit me."
by rglass44 on Jan 26, 2012 10:39 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
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by FreeZorilla on Jan 26, 2012 12:34 PM EST up reply actions
welp
i dont think sf1 is despicable enough to troll one of our own players.
by rglass44 on Jan 26, 2012 9:55 AM EST
"Please break your typewriter and computer and never come out of your ass cave again"
Because that was to be taken at face value.
by firemangreg on Jan 26, 2012 10:49 AM EST up reply actions
it's the offseason and i'm not on twitter, i've forgotten that he's such human garbage that he will do it to their face via computer.
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one thing no one has brought up so far (in thsi thread at least):
the 11 man staff. sandy and i may be wasting our time here, as you can easily go with an 11 man staff to start the season. though i think options on our BP arms is trickier than our bats.
the problem is whittling away the arms.
locks:
price
shields
helly
moore
davis/niemann
farnsworth
peralta
howell
badenhop
rodney
so there would be one spot for mcgee, ramos, lueke, gomes, or torres. that might not be realistic especially if one of niemann or davis isnt moved.
McGee isn't looking like the guaranteed back of the pen arm he was touted as a couple years back.
by firemangreg on Jan 26, 2012 10:51 AM EST up reply actions
He destroys lefties and there's a ton of really good ones in our division. If that's all he ever becomes then even that has a ton of value and should keep his cost down.
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by Sandy Kazmir on Jan 26, 2012 10:52 AM EST up reply actions
I know he only had 28 innings last year but K's down and HR's up.
Maybe I’m just overreacting to how awful he looked and how the SSS numbers look, but I’m not as hyped as I was.
by firemangreg on Jan 26, 2012 11:00 AM EST up reply actions
particularly a pitcher
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by FreeZorilla on Jan 26, 2012 12:35 PM EST up reply actions
Gomes and McGee are both locks
I like the 11-man staff in the abstract, but you’re basically talking about dropping two major-league arms to make way for one long reliever, and I don’t see that happening.
by AndrewTorrez on Jan 26, 2012 3:29 PM EST up reply actions
So we've had 700 or so comments...across three different posts...about JEFF KEPPINGER
Spring Training cannot get here soon enough
by nomoredevil on Jan 26, 2012 10:27 AM EST reply actions 4 recs
Kept infer doesn't K, which makes it a good signing
Sure, an out is an out. But that’s across the whole sample size. Within that sample, strikeouts can be more damning. So now we have an option that we can go to when putting the ball in play is critical.
It’s a matter of optimization player by player or by looking at the team as a whole. Keppinger is a good piece of the puzzle
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by matthan on Jan 26, 2012 11:57 AM EST via mobile reply actions
Exciting, we need the power. Hopefully his health isn't an issue.
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With this move i think the offence is pretty much set now
baring any other moves
C Molina
1B Pena
2B Zo
SS S-Rod
3B Longo
RF Joyce
CF Upton
LF Jennings
Bench:
Lobaton
Kep
Brignac
Fuld
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Yes
Though I still have a hard time with Lobaton. I believe that he is out of options which helps his case. I wouldn’t be surprised to see another catcher brought in however.
Vogt didn't even catch regularly at Durham last year
and Molina is a 200 PA guy.
by AndrewTorrez on Jan 26, 2012 3:27 PM EST up reply actions
not where he's posting from.
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Keeping it strictly ENGLISH
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by OneTonneBaby on Jan 26, 2012 3:14 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
Add Ronnie Paulino to the roster and the Rays have a VERY formidable lineup vs. LHP.
by Moore Guerreri and Cheese on Jan 26, 2012 2:58 PM EST reply actions
A general question to everyone
When, if at all, do you think Friedman is going to make his big trade involving a starter, Upton, or possibly someone else (Rodriguez/Brignac?)
A) Before pitchers and catchers report ie. next couple weeks
B) During Spring Training
C) During the season
by BossmanJunior333 on Jan 26, 2012 9:22 PM EST via mobile reply actions
I highly, highly doubt Upton is going to be traded
I’m tempted to say that there’s a 100% chance a starter is traded by the deadline, but at the beginning of the off-season, I would’ve said there’s a 100% chance a starter is traded before spring training, which, although still possible (perhaps even probably), certainly has a less than 100% chance of happening at this point. Tough to say
by benderbrodriguez on Jan 27, 2012 7:21 PM EST up reply actions

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