Rays Community Prospect #29 Runoff

by mr. maniac on Jan 28, 2012 10:16 AM EST

Jose Lobaton and Ty Morrison both had 4 votes. The voting comes down the them for the 29th spot.

Jose Lobaton(C): A catcher who has slowly worked his way up the minors, Lobaton offers good defense with a questionable bat. (http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/l/lobatjo01.shtml)

Ty Morrison (CF): A speedy OF with the potential to gain some power, Morrison has plenty of physical upside. However, to this point, the injuries have limited him. (http://www.baseball-reference.com/minors/player.cgi?id=morris001ty-)

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Jose Lobaton

by mr. maniac on Jan 28, 2012 10:16 AM EST reply actions

+1

not really thrilled about either choice, but right now there’s absolutely nothing to like about Morrison

by AndrewTorrez on Jan 28, 2012 10:19 AM EST up reply actions

There's one thing to like about him: speed

2010 he showed promise, last year he was hurt. Hopefully he has a healthy 2012 so we get a better feel for where his career is heading. He certainly needs to improve the OB skills to take advantage of his speed, which is near the tops of the system right now.

by generaltso on Jan 28, 2012 11:57 AM EST up reply actions

There are several guys in the org who aren't even testers yet with better speed and better stats

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by Brickhaus on Jan 30, 2012 6:06 PM EST up reply actions

Who's got better speed?

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by SandalsNoPants on Jan 30, 2012 6:41 PM EST up reply actions

Ah, I forgot about Cody Rogers.

I’ll add him for #31.

by mr. maniac on Jan 30, 2012 10:43 PM EST up reply actions

Huh?

Sure his 2011 was a lost year (probably due to injuries), but he is young and had two good years in a row in 2009 and 2010 (116 and 112 wRC+). He has tremendous speed, is a good athlete, and can play a good CF. I’m not sure why not people don’t like him.

by mr. maniac on Jan 28, 2012 12:19 PM EST up reply actions

not sure where you're getting those wRC+ numbers

In 2010, Morrison hit .250/.324/.394 with 133 (!) Ks in 512 PA; the league hit .257/.333/.384. In 2009, Morrison hit .271/.365/.369 with 27 BB/61 Ks in rookie ball.

I can’t find anyone currently in the majors with that sort of offensive profile (no power, idiotically high K rate, intermittent walks). Even your Juan Pierre types hit a hell of a lot better and strike out a hell of a lot less.

by AndrewTorrez on Jan 28, 2012 5:14 PM EST up reply actions

I got the numbers from fangraphs.

by mr. maniac on Jan 28, 2012 6:13 PM EST up reply actions

Are you talking about the right guy?

no power, idiotically high K rate, intermittent walks

This is all stats and numbers stuff, and I see the numbers, but your description is total hyperbole.

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by SandalsNoPants on Jan 28, 2012 6:49 PM EST up reply actions

Yeah.

He strikes out quite a bit, but the walks are not bad and he has a little power.

by mr. maniac on Jan 28, 2012 9:24 PM EST up reply actions

a .361 SLG is "a little power"?

I mean, Juan Pierre slugged .393 in the minors.

I just don’t see anything there that even projects out to be, say, 75% of Sam Fuld without a major breakthrough. I’m rooting for him, obviously, but right now I just don’t get it.

by AndrewTorrez on Jan 29, 2012 12:43 PM EST up reply actions

use ISO, not SLG.

Juan Pierre hit for a much better average (.331 in the minors), and SLG double dips into that. Is Juan Pierre’s ISO higher than Morrison’s? Serious question. I’m not taking the time to calculate it, but he only hit 1 HR in 1311 AB in the minors. He had 67 XHB overall.

Morrison’s got 65 XBH in under 1000 AB.

You’re being weirdly biased against Morrison, and your justifications have been nothing more than crappy. Your analysis is anything but progressive.

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by SandalsNoPants on Jan 29, 2012 1:02 PM EST up reply actions

again, find me a player with Morrison's minor-league profile who's made the majors

I’d be happy to be wrong about this.

by AndrewTorrez on Jan 29, 2012 1:42 PM EST up reply actions

That takes far too much time.

And I prefer to go by a case by case scenario.

by mr. maniac on Jan 29, 2012 1:51 PM EST up reply actions

might be a tad hyperbolic

but seriously: can you find me a major-leaguer who slugged .360 in the minors with Morrison’s K rate? I can’t find one, even considering all sorts of punch-and-judy types (I talk about Juan Pierre below). Even your slappiest of slap hitters generally slug in the .400 range in the minors with a lot fewer Ks.

I’d be happy to be wrong on this.

by AndrewTorrez on Jan 29, 2012 12:54 PM EST up reply actions

I think there's a lot to like about Morrison.

Really young still, good enough bat for CF, amazing speed. If he gets his K rate down to reasonability, he could be something along the lines of Ellsbury-lite (batting average will be lower) for his ceiling. But I don’t know anything about prospects, so I’m probably wrong.

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by SandalsNoPants on Jan 28, 2012 1:54 PM EST up reply actions

+1

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by SandalsNoPants on Jan 28, 2012 1:46 PM EST up reply actions

+1

by Whelk on Jan 28, 2012 2:31 PM EST up reply actions

+1

by MakeitRayn on Jan 28, 2012 5:18 PM EST up reply actions

+1

by jtmorgan on Jan 29, 2012 2:33 AM EST up reply actions

+1

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by John Gregg on Jan 30, 2012 8:31 AM EST up reply actions

+1

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by sc_monsta1015 on Jan 30, 2012 10:48 AM EST up reply actions

Are Russ Canzler votes still being accepted?

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by sternfan1 on Jan 28, 2012 6:51 PM EST reply actions

Maybe you should christen him with a terrible nickname

That way, with your track record, he’ll be an All Star next year.

by ShawnTSA on Jan 28, 2012 8:26 PM EST via mobile up reply actions

Jus' Standsther

Due to his apparent inability to play even 1b?

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by SandalsNoPants on Jan 28, 2012 8:47 PM EST up reply actions

How is this runoff still going while the Canzler ones were taken down within 5 or 6 hours?

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by SandalsNoPants on Jan 29, 2012 11:31 AM EST reply actions

We generally get 20 votes in total for these polls.

At the time, the voting was so scewed that Canzler could not have one. At this point, Lobaton, while needing a miraculous run, could come back.

by mr. maniac on Jan 29, 2012 1:52 PM EST up reply actions

"one"

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by SandalsNoPants on Jan 29, 2012 1:53 PM EST up reply actions

There was only 13 and 15 votes total in the Canzler runoffs prior to the one in which he was given a spot on the list.

This is just as lopsided, and people have had more than enough time to vote, whereas in the Canzler runoffs, your agenda had the voting stopped before some members like myself even got home from work.

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by SandalsNoPants on Jan 29, 2012 1:57 PM EST up reply actions

Are you being serious?

http://www.draysbay.com/2012/1/9/2693612/rays-community-prospect-21-runoffIn this one, Canzler simply couldn’t come back.15 votes had gone, and Canzler would have needed 9 straight votes that didn’t exist to come back.

http://www.draysbay.com/2012/1/6/2686920/rays-community-prospect-20-runoff In this one, Canzler would have had to have gotten all seven votes.

I understand you wanted Canzler higher. But to say I have an agenda is just wrong in this case.

by mr. maniac on Jan 29, 2012 2:36 PM EST up reply actions