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The Rays Tank: Justin Ruggiano Declares Free Agency; Joe Maddon Nears Extension

After spending four and a half seasons battling away in Triple-A, Justin Ruggiano finally got an extended taste at the majors last season. He had gotten called up for brief respites in both 2007 and 2008, but this was the first time that Ruggs managed to play well after getting the call. He slugged four home runs and had a .290 wOBA over 111 plate appearances, which may not seem like anything special until you remember that the Fuld had cooled off and the Rays other bench players had around a .250 wOBA.

I've been flipping through the MLB.com highlights involving Ruggs, and I'm surprised by how many of them involve him making a running or sliding catch. I do remember him having some big hits for the Rays -- like this and this -- but I feel like I may have underrated Ruggs during the season. If only he'd walked in more than 3.5% of his plate appearances, maybe the Rays wouldn't have DFA'd him for Carlos Pena.

Ruggiano has chosen to become a free agent rather than accept the Rays assignment back to Triple-A (where he'd likely be stuck for another year), so the best of luck to him going forward. Here's hoping another team is willing to pick him up and give him a major league bench job.

In other Rays news, Marc Topkin noted on Twitter yesterday that Joe Maddon and the Rays are expected to finalize a three-year contract extension before Spring Training begins. Maddon is traveling in Europe at the moment -- the lucky bum -- so they'll wrap up the details once he returns.

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Ruggiano and Fuld

Really forged a nice combination in June enabling the Rays to have their best month of the season (16-11) up til that point.

Fuld started 11 games and hit .308/.400/.410 (BABIP of .353!) and Ruggiano started 13 games and hit .333/.327/.510 (.375 BABIP and 0 BB!).

by MrNegative1 on Jan 31, 2012 9:25 AM EST reply actions  

That walk rate was really the killer thing for Ruggs.

He has power and he’s managed to improve his K rate some. Given more time, maybe the walks would have come around…tough to say.

I love Casey Fossum. Now try and take me seriously.

by Steve Slowinski on Jan 31, 2012 9:29 AM EST up reply actions  

how did he have a lower OBP than AVG?

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by mr. maniac on Jan 24, 2012 12:46 PM EST

"Please break your typewriter and computer and never come out of your ass cave again"

by pudieron89 on Jan 31, 2012 10:22 AM EST up reply actions  

sacrifice?

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by mr. maniac on Jan 24, 2012 12:46 PM EST

"Please break your typewriter and computer and never come out of your ass cave again"

by pudieron89 on Jan 31, 2012 10:23 AM EST up reply actions  

i hope he smacks a lot of home runs off of us.

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by mr. maniac on Jan 24, 2012 12:46 PM EST

"Please break your typewriter and computer and never come out of your ass cave again"

by pudieron89 on Jan 31, 2012 10:29 AM EST up reply actions  

what were his red flags?

I ask this seriously as someone who hasn’t really followed him. I know his defense is an issue, but what were the warning signs in his offense?

by Blot on Jan 31, 2012 1:22 PM EST up reply actions  

This is what I was referring to

He had an unsustainable BABIP and his numbers came in AAA’s bandbox

by benderbrodriguez on Jan 31, 2012 1:58 PM EST up reply actions  

I've always been curious about how a coach determines a player is guessing at the plate.

I mean, baseball is such a luck-dependent sport in the first place. Is it merely a matter of discussing the process before/after an at-bat? For example, coach/player decide player should be looking for a slider, instead he swings wildly at a fastball and gets a hit out of it?

Perhaps somebody could enlighten me.

@ptSuttery

by Suttree on Jan 31, 2012 2:23 PM EST up reply actions  

4. Stay on topic.

Was this the problem? I am having my daily constitution and decide to read Drays Bay mobile and I get slapped for that? Really?

RIP OTTOTD

by DeadeyeRR on Jan 31, 2012 10:39 AM EST reply actions  

Simmer down

It was just a warning.

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by FreeZorilla on Jan 31, 2012 10:47 AM EST up reply actions  

Since when was "In first" a problem?

It’s been done here since 2008

RIP OTTOTD

by DeadeyeRR on Jan 31, 2012 10:50 AM EST up reply actions  

DeadeyeRR, don't type "first as the comment on the thread...

is this what you wanted? I thought you knew better than that.

Boom. Outta Here.

by Ryan Gilliss on Jan 31, 2012 2:06 PM EST up reply actions  

needlessly stirring shit up over a stupid comment.

at least he’s not doing it at ottotd.com anymore.

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by mr. maniac on Jan 24, 2012 12:46 PM EST

"Please break your typewriter and computer and never come out of your ass cave again"

by pudieron89 on Jan 31, 2012 2:11 PM EST up reply actions  

I became a Rays fan in October 2008, what do you expect?

(I became a Rays fan since they were given a team)

RIP OTTOTD

by DeadeyeRR on Jan 31, 2012 2:34 PM EST up reply actions  

Usually done in GDTs

Never funny. And yes I’ve been guity of doing it to be annoying a time or 2 in the GDTs if you want to check the record, but it isn’t done in normal FP threads. Maybe it could have been a in thread warning vs a mod warning, but really its not a big deal.

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by FreeZorilla on Jan 31, 2012 10:55 AM EST up reply actions  

Ok

I thought for a minute you forgot about the new, friendlier Dray Bay

RIP OTTOTD

by DeadeyeRR on Jan 31, 2012 10:56 AM EST up reply actions  

Wasn't my warning

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by FreeZorilla on Jan 31, 2012 11:55 AM EST up reply actions  

this

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by mr. maniac on Jan 24, 2012 12:46 PM EST

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by pudieron89 on Jan 31, 2012 1:02 PM EST up reply actions  

Hating that work is interfering with my DRB time...

About Ruggs, and players like him. Given the Rays propensity for holding on to depth at Durham, is it possible that marginal players (guys that could be either AAAA or fourth OF/utility inf types) might end up being scared away? Could stocking away so much depth actually end up hurting us in the long run? I know there are times we’ve made deals contingent upon players having an “out” (Blalock/Adam Kennedy/Corey Wade), so maybe we’re already seeing some of that backlash (for lack of a better word). But that only works with guys who definitely have or had ML talent.

I dunno. I just know that if I were a guy who was blocked in my former organization, I wouldn’t necessarily relish being acquired by the Rays.

by nomoredevil on Jan 31, 2012 11:07 AM EST reply actions  

Nahh, players who have a say in what happens will take us up on those out claws

And in the case of Wade, if they do something worth seeing they’ll find a job elsewhere

by benderbrodriguez on Jan 31, 2012 12:34 PM EST up reply actions  

Qualls.

Starting to look like we overpaid for Rodney.

joeybw, on why he was banned for half a day:

"Might of been grammar I keep getting that "would have" thing wrong

Not on purpose, mods, wish it was….."

Classic.

by sc_monsta1015 on Jan 31, 2012 11:20 AM EST up reply actions  

dunno why everyone is panning the Rodney signing before ST.

yes he’s a terrible reliever but we’ll see how Maddon uses him and what the training staff want to do with him. I’m with Whelk in having cautious optimism that they wouldn’t have signed him, let alone for as much as they did, if they didn’t see a diamond in the rough of his recent career.

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by mr. maniac on Jan 24, 2012 12:46 PM EST

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by pudieron89 on Jan 31, 2012 1:06 PM EST up reply actions  

"this subpar reliever is better/worse than this subpar reliever and was signed for less" i just don't see how you can have a strong opinion one way or another given the volatility of bullpen arms.

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by mr. maniac on Jan 24, 2012 12:46 PM EST

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by pudieron89 on Jan 31, 2012 1:07 PM EST up reply actions  

This

If the can pull a benoit and have him up the change up usage, the pitch he actually has the best control of, he could take a step forward.

by BossmanJunior333 on Jan 31, 2012 1:27 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

#wrestlingjokes

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by mr. maniac on Jan 24, 2012 12:46 PM EST

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by pudieron89 on Jan 31, 2012 1:52 PM EST up reply actions  

joaquin's slider was essentially a crossface crippler to the opposing batters in 2010

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by mr. maniac on Jan 24, 2012 12:46 PM EST

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by pudieron89 on Jan 31, 2012 1:53 PM EST up reply actions  

Because he's a prick.

Sometimes it’s difficult for the commenting base to separate their impressions of a human being in a baseball uniform from the cold, hard-truth of his (potential) impact on the field.

I have similar reservations about Luke Scott. I realize he was a smart acquisition, but I think he’s a psychopath and an asshole.*

*There is an extremely strong chance I learn to love him and embrace his insanity.

@ptSuttery

by Suttree on Jan 31, 2012 1:33 PM EST up reply actions  

Apparently.

Adam Jones said the plantain thing didn’t bother him, but I still find it appalling/hilarious.

My suspicion is that the O’s did a good job of keeping any potential problems out of the media, but maybe Scott is actually an outstanding citizen (despite being a lunatic).

@ptSuttery

by Suttree on Jan 31, 2012 1:46 PM EST up reply actions  

Also the plantain thing was directed at Pie...

not sure if you are confusing them or Adam Jones said the plantain thing didn’t bother him. I do recall seeing both Jones and Guthrie go out of their way to commend Scott at the time of his signing with the Rays.

While I would never do or say some of the things that Scott has done and said, ultimately his teammates didn’t find him or those things to be a problem.

Boom. Outta Here.

by Ryan Gilliss on Jan 31, 2012 2:03 PM EST up reply actions  

You could be correct.

I assumed the plantain thing was part of his general treatment of Adam Jones. You know, that attempt to toughen Jones’ up in the event fans turned on him because of his color.

Luke Scott would probably fit in well with the commenting base here.

@ptSuttery

by Suttree on Jan 31, 2012 2:13 PM EST up reply actions  

there are so many players in baseball with character issues, including those on our team/in our org already

are you going to prejudge Lueke, Bush, etc. for previous actions or are you going to give them the benefit of the doubt going forward? Did you say the same things about Soriano pre-2010? Performance has a funny way of making character issues become more minor…see Hamilton, Josh.

I was disappointed by the Scott signing for probably the same reasons as you, but I’ll reserve my final opinions for how they project during the season. The less I hear about them in the clubhouse, the better.

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by mr. maniac on Jan 24, 2012 12:46 PM EST

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by pudieron89 on Jan 31, 2012 1:55 PM EST up reply actions  

It's not a deliberate thing. I know better than that.

But, sometimes, your gut reaction comes out. That’s where I think the anti-Rodney faction is coming from. Some people recall him being a dick on the field, some people recall him as a mediocre-to-bad reliever for the last 4-5 years. It’s a surface level thing only.

As for the players you mentioned, I don’t think of Lueke or Bush much. I did not say the same things about Soriano. In fact, I didn’t care about Soriano’s problems because we were getting an elite reliever (and because his problems seemed overblown/irrelevant.) As far as Hamilton goes… I boo him. Sorry. I know I’m supposed to feel good about a guy beating his drug addiction and finding Jesus, but I don’t, particularly the Jesus part.

As far as Scott goes, I won’t care if he’s our first legitimately productive DH since 2008. I was just using my initial reaction to his signing as a possible explanation for why people care about the Rodney signing.

@ptSuttery

by Suttree on Jan 31, 2012 2:01 PM EST up reply actions  

I was watching the game where he hit Riggans in the chest and I felt sick to my stomach as I watched him crumple to the ground. Shit happens, though.

But my point in bringing up those other players is that you’re not being consistent if you say character issues matter to you, and also that performance will change your opinion though it shouldn’t. Josh Hamilton is in all likelihood still an awful human being but he’s a potentially perennial all star when healthy so no one cares as long as he doesn’t get suspended. You probably wouldn’t boo him if he was still a Ray just like you probably didn’t boo Willy Aybar.

Yeah we can’t really explain how or why we delegate our reactions to people sometimes, I’m just pointing out that it’s irrational and we don’t really have any reason to believe Rodney is a piece of shit if we’re willing to give other players the benefit of the doubt.

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by mr. maniac on Jan 24, 2012 12:46 PM EST

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by pudieron89 on Jan 31, 2012 2:16 PM EST up reply actions  

well fuck, that's a boring conclusion.

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by mr. maniac on Jan 24, 2012 12:46 PM EST

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by pudieron89 on Jan 31, 2012 2:18 PM EST up reply actions  

The only quibble that I would have is that Hamilton was/is an addict...

and ultimately only was doing physical harm to himself. Same with Bush (although I think he may have been arrested for fighting). I have a harder time overlooking the things that Lueke and Aybar have done.

Boom. Outta Here.

by Ryan Gilliss on Jan 31, 2012 2:24 PM EST up reply actions  

As someone who's clinically depressed and has friends with a couple former junkies, I find myself very unsympathetic towards Hamilton.

I’m not exactly sure why that it is.

Agree about Lueke and Aybar. I was very frosty towards Julio Lugo when he was here. I’m still inconsistent about it, though. I was willing to forgive Elijah Dukes for basically everything, even threatening to murder his baby mama.

@ptSuttery

by Suttree on Jan 31, 2012 2:29 PM EST up reply actions  

white guilt...

I feel the same way about Lugo, I just didn’t want to include him since it’s been so long since he played here.

I wonder if any of your feelings about Hamilton are related to his use of his religion as the cause of his sobriety over any program that he’s working.

Boom. Outta Here.

by Ryan Gilliss on Jan 31, 2012 2:36 PM EST up reply actions  

That's probably it.

I think there’s also some sort of resentment to the way he came upon his addiction. You’re a young, millionaire ball player who’s bored because of a back injury… and you’re addicted to crack? I know people are stupid when they’re that young, particularly one’s that play baseball, but that’s always bothered me. If he was such a good kid, why was he hanging around with crackheads in trailer parks?

It wasn’t like he had some kind of secret Todd Marinovich thing going on — you know, secretly boozing and abusing while being praised for his prodigious gifts. From all accounts, Hamilton was straight as an arrow until that injury.

He didn’t start abusing because of depression or some other kind of mental illness. He didn’t abuse to dull the pain. He wasn’t desperate and down on his luck the way most people are that find themselves abusing crack.

My reasoning isn’t fulproof by any means. It’s probably completely unfair. But, we are talking about emotional reactions to certain players.

@ptSuttery

by Suttree on Jan 31, 2012 2:44 PM EST up reply actions  

Why you gotta bring Todd Marinovich into this? Hasn't he suffered enough?

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by Sandy Kazmir on Jan 31, 2012 3:04 PM EST up reply actions  

yes Hamilton was/is an addict but that had/has repercussions for his family as well.

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by mr. maniac on Jan 24, 2012 12:46 PM EST

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by pudieron89 on Jan 31, 2012 2:50 PM EST up reply actions  

fair

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by mr. maniac on Jan 24, 2012 12:46 PM EST

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by pudieron89 on Jan 31, 2012 3:04 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, I'm fully on board.

I want to see him succeed, and Whelk convinced me he’s got some exciting upside.

I love Casey Fossum. Now try and take me seriously.

by Steve Slowinski on Jan 31, 2012 10:21 PM EST up reply actions  

Ruggs

Is a decent 3 spot of I wish we could have saw more

by gatrmf on Jan 31, 2012 12:17 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

Can we temporarily change the mission statement of the site to "DRaysBay: Now with 22.22% more analysts!"

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by mr. maniac on Jan 24, 2012 12:46 PM EST

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by pudieron89 on Jan 31, 2012 2:17 PM EST reply actions  

that was SBN, not DRB.

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by mr. maniac on Jan 24, 2012 12:46 PM EST

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by pudieron89 on Jan 31, 2012 2:20 PM EST up reply actions  

Was it?

I prefer to go with the blame the bitch strategy. Thanks for sticking around, proveyrdifferent!

@ptSuttery

by Suttree on Jan 31, 2012 2:20 PM EST up reply actions  

Why you gotta bring Sandy Kazmir into this? Hasn't he suffered enough?

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by Sandy Kazmir on Jan 31, 2012 3:05 PM EST up reply actions  

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