The Rays Tank: And So Ends Our Long Love Affair With Logan Morrison
by Steve Slowinski on Jan 5, 2012 8:06 AM EST
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Well, we all knew that trading for Logan Morrison was something of a pipe dream -- and it was such a lovely dream -- but it looks as though we can all take our heads out of the clouds now. The Marlins acquired Carlos Zambrano from the Cubs last night for Chris Volstad, giving them the final starter that they wanted and taking them off the market for Wade Davis.
I'm not entirely sure I like this move for the Marlins; Volstad was a serviceable back end of the rotation starter and he had some upside (3.84 SIERA last year), and they're trading away three years of Volstad for one of Zambrano. It's likely that Zambrano will be the better pitcher of the two in 2012 (which seems to be the main thing the Marlins are concerned about right now), and he does have the potential to go out there and reestablish himself as an ace. But....it's tough to say.
One thing is for sure, though: if the Marlins didn't already have the most personality-filled clubhouse in the majors, they certainly do now. Goodness, it's going to be tough not to pay attention to them this season. They're essentially going to become MLB's first reality TV show: "Ozzie & Friends".
- Fernando Rodney called Topkin to apologize for the time when he threw a ball into the Tropicana Field press box and nearly took out a few reporters. Considering the incident was in 2009, that seems a bit over the top, but it's a nice gesture at least.
- So the Rays were the other finalist for Coco Crisp? I'm not that surprised; Crisp is a valuable player and undervalued by most, and signing him would have allowed the Rays to shuffle around piece internally (e.g. move Joyce to first). I love hearing all the reasons why he didn't end up signing with the Rays, though. He wanted to play for a winner? Yeah right, this came down to the money.
- Joe Poz takes a look at the future of the Hall of Fame, and he makes some very good points about the direction the Hall is heading. These next couple years could be an absolute mess, with few players going on the ballot, creating a logjam of talented players and a boring Hall. And judging from the Hall's history, that could have some unintended consequences that the BBWAA wouldn't be happy about.
- Tommy has a piece up on ESPN Florida, analyzing the Rodney signing. He does a great job framing the good and the bad parts of the deal.
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Mark Trumbo
taking longer to heal from the stress fracture in his foot:
Wonder who is more agile first, Kendry or Trumbo.
Was just coming to post this
Both are going to be going to extended spring training as I see it
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by Jason Collette on Jan 5, 2012 8:45 AM EST up reply actions
could be a blessing for LA
They can always work Kendry in at DH and send Trumbo to PCL for time to get full workout and time at 3b. As we have seen many times with injuries and other oddities, who knows what May 1st will bring to the Angels.
I'm wondering what they do with Abreu at this point
$9M albatross that is clogging up their roster. I don’t really want him, but that vested option really hurt them
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by Jason Collette on Jan 5, 2012 9:12 AM EST up reply actions
Depending how badly the Angels want to free up that roster spot, with their bottomless pockets of cash they could pay most of his contract and get a C prospect back
Love the OBP skill even if some of his power his vanished
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by Jason Collette on Jan 5, 2012 8:45 AM EST up reply actions
I always forget about that site.
Good stuff as well.
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by Steve Slowinski on Jan 5, 2012 8:57 AM EST up reply actions
I think Coco was a little confused....
Maybe he thought Moneyball was a movie that documented the 2011 season?
he doesnt mind paying for sodas...
money over everything…coco wasnt going to get 7 million AAV from the Rays and that was the deciding factor. He said from the beginning he wanted to be “financially comfortable”…
sometimes the best deals are the ones that don’t get done and I think that will be the case with this one.
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by James Westfall on Jan 5, 2012 11:58 AM EST up reply actions
I don't see how Crisp adds any value to the Rays
He’s probably a downgrade defensively in either corner OF spot versus Guyer or Joyce; he’s a definite downgrade with the bat, and I’m not sure his baserunning is enough of an asset (particularly on a team with Sam Fuld on the bench) to make up for it.
I know it’s not $7MM worth of baserunning plus the lost opportunity cost to upgrade at DH.
by AndrewTorrez on Jan 5, 2012 12:15 PM EST up reply actions
It would have had to be a precursor to an OF trade, likely Upton. So I'm glad it didn't happen as well, though interested in what the move could/would have been.
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yeah
the dropoff from BJ to Crisp (and whoever plays CF the other 60-70 games when Crisp gets his 2012 owie) is pretty severe, so it’d have to be an awfully good return.
Besides..
The amount of money spent on bodyguards so Shields doesn’t kick his butt again isn’t worth it.
Go Rays!
1b market has been stalled all winter
Think D.Lee/C.Pena/C.Kotchman have all had dialogue but everyone is waiting for the artist formerly known as the symbol to sign.
If the Rays wanted Damon or Kotchman back, I believe they would have signed both already
You don’t hear their names anywhere else right now so there appears to be no market for them.
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by Jason Collette on Jan 5, 2012 9:13 AM EST up reply actions
I don't hear anyone's name right now
With Boras holding the cards on Fielder, Pena and Damon, the waiting game is in full throttle
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not true
if anyone really wanted Pena they would’ve signed him by now.
Same with Derek Lee, if anyone really wanted him he’d be off the board as well.
Guess nobody really wants a 1b this offseason OR maybe the market is in stall mode where all GMs are waiting it out.
...so you said all that to end up agreeing with him. OK.
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Yes, I agree
that it is ridiculous to judge a players market at 1b/DH right now based on what we hear or the lack of being signed by anyone.
The 1b/DH market is a little restrained right now based on Prince Fielder. Also, Scott Boras being the agent for several guys still waiting.
Did you see the Crasnick column I tweeted today focusing on Boras? Interesting read:
http://espn.go.com/mlb/hotstove11/story/_/id/7427396/scott-boras-unemployed-free-agents
Another reason to hate inter-league, we get 6 games vs the Marlins and the Yankees get 6 v the Mets
Yea—that works
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I still don't think the Marlins are a playoff team.
Certainly more competitive than the Mets, sure. But I still see them looking up at two teams in their division.
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by Imperialism32 on Jan 5, 2012 10:40 AM EST up reply actions
Counting on a big bounceback from Heyward?
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by Imperialism32 on Jan 5, 2012 10:44 AM EST up reply actions
That or a huge break out from Freeman, I would think
Uggla will never have the AVG to be an MVP
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Doubtful with his Greg Oden like body
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by King Billy Royal on Jan 5, 2012 10:47 AM EST up reply actions
I don't think anybody would be surprised
He definitely has insane talent, but his issue looks to be health which is fairly sad considering how young he is. I hate to see guys get hurt, but Heyward has had trouble staying on the field and often when he is playing it is through a nagging serious injury.
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by King Billy Royal on Jan 5, 2012 11:50 AM EST up reply actions
Seth Smith and non-surefire prospects
That’s about it
by Ben Tumbling on Jan 5, 2012 10:32 AM EST up reply actions
other than Nolan Arenado?
Hard to say. Wilin Rosario © would make a nice throw-in, but not a centerpiece. Nobody else really jumps out at me from their minor-league system.
Would definitely take Arenado, though.
by AndrewTorrez on Jan 5, 2012 10:33 AM EST up reply actions
yup
no way he’s available for Niemann/Davis, though, unless that “coveting” is of biblical proportions.
by AndrewTorrez on Jan 5, 2012 10:35 AM EST up reply actions
Goldstein just reviewed their farm system yesterday at BP
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by Jason Collette on Jan 5, 2012 11:38 AM EST up reply actions
Arenado will do fine in Coors
But I’m skeptical his bat will play well enough elsewhere to move him to outfield or first. They do have a catcher I kind of like, but am having a brain fart at the moment.
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by Brickhaus on Jan 5, 2012 7:33 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I really wouldn't mind Seth Smith.
He has had good years 2 out of the past 3 (with a low BABIP in the bad year).
He also posted a .352 wOBA on the road last year. As far as his fielding, I’m not sure how it worsened so much in 2011, so I will assume that that is SSS.
Niemann for Smith and a C+ prospect?
Smith is a Joyce who has shown less power even while calling Coors a home
Certainley not an everyday player.
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trevor story?
he looks like a good one.
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by James Westfall on Jan 5, 2012 11:59 AM EST up reply actions
2011 draftee, can't be traded yet
plus he’s 5 years away and I doubt that’s what mr. maniac meant
by AndrewTorrez on Jan 5, 2012 12:17 PM EST up reply actions
Rockies preferred Neimann to Hammel, I remember that.
They have wanted him for at least 4 years now and unless he keeps those pitches down, he is going be brutal to watch at Coors.
Matt Moore. That is all.
woof
i really, really like trevor story, but he couldn’t even be a ptbnl until February 6th or 7th. Tim Wheeler is another option that I like. and as people have mentioned, wilin rosario.
I like Wheeler's power & upside
but I’m really concerned about that K-rate. Again, he strikes me as having roughly Rosario-like value; good as the second or third prospect but not capable of holding down a trade as a centerpiece.
by AndrewTorrez on Jan 5, 2012 12:19 PM EST up reply actions
agreed, not sure if the Rockies would do that, though
by AndrewTorrez on Jan 5, 2012 12:40 PM EST up reply actions
At this point, the Rays kinda have to trade 2 SP.
I’ll take prospects for one and MLB for the other.
give me dexter fowler
I want me some stallions in the of
by Dbullsfan on Jan 5, 2012 2:11 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
No Crisp
Not losing any sleep about missing out on coca puff! Nice enough player but IMO he was the catalyst for that epic brawl with Boston in 08, fave part was Johnny Gomes charging in first even tho he’d ran farthest.
by tdwp56 on Jan 5, 2012 10:35 AM EST via mobile reply actions
Did Rodney apologize to Topkin in English?
by Passionate Apathy on Jan 5, 2012 10:39 AM EST reply actions
Then it doesn't count.
(Sorry, I drove through Polk County today.)
by Passionate Apathy on Jan 5, 2012 2:28 PM EST up reply actions
Hey, Marc, we just want somone that can hit the ball
Buster Olney believes #Rays may be logical trading partner for Daniel Murphy. St Pete Times’ Marc Topkin believes TB needs better 1B defense
Sure we can do better than Murphy but I am starting to see flashes of Canzler or Miranda at 1B and I don’t like it.
Matt Moore. That is all.
Murphy is a nice supersub -- not enough bat to play the corner everyday.
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by Jason Collette on Jan 5, 2012 11:38 AM EST up reply actions
I love Twitter
“How about Murphy and Bay for Shields, win win for both teams”
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but buster tweeted to dickie v
That Murphy could “flat out rake” I had to lol on that one
by Dbullsfan on Jan 5, 2012 2:19 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
We need em
Farnsworth can’t take on a whole team himself!
Either way, let’s be happy the A’s jumped in to overpay Crisp and move on.
Matt Moore. That is all.
i wonder what the Rays offer was...
i bet 1 year 5 million with a club option….and the chance to win in the playoffs.
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by James Westfall on Jan 5, 2012 12:04 PM EST up reply actions
but Crisp wants to win!
He should worry that he is their highest paid player.
Enjoy another 2 very long seasons, Crisp. Shields would of had plenty of time to land that punch if you signed here anyway.
Matt Moore. That is all.
A's could always move him.
IF he has a good first half, someone desperate for a CF might be willing to pick him up. Nationals, Tigers?
Angels wont be signing Madson either
Can we have our 2 million and BP spot back please? I think we can do a Rafael Soriano 1 year deal for Ryan Madson. All his suitors are gone…
Matt Moore. That is all.
If the Rodney deal was done on eBay, I'd jump on the 7 day return policy.
Believe in the Fuld
Heyman thinks we are interested in Chavez
I mean, almost anyone is an upgrade over Elliot until Chavez is on the DL within a month….
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im just happy our name is.coming up
I was begining to wonder if frieds was having another appendix removed or whatever it was that kept him out for the trade deadline
by Dbullsfan on Jan 5, 2012 2:14 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I think Elliot is like 4 guys away from making the 2012 roster
bench is your backup catcher (Molina/Lobaton), backup shortstop (S-Rod/Brignac), Fuld, and Guyer.
I’d guess that Canzler, Chirinos, and maybe even Ruggiano are all more likely to make the roster than EJ.
The Pirates are reportedly looking for a UTIL and MOR/BOR starter.
Helliot and Niemann to them for something? Let me look at their system and see what’s interesting.
Alvarez has got to have very little value right now.
by Peter Piontek on Jan 5, 2012 3:19 PM EST up reply actions
He is young with upside
I believe he has 5 years of control left. I doubt the Bucs would even part with him for Elliot and Cobb.
He's already 25. I agree that he has upside but would need to learn how to make contact.
His K rate is over 30%
by Peter Piontek on Jan 5, 2012 3:27 PM EST up reply actions
He can only hit a fastball right now
This could be because he was rushed through the minors and was not exposed to elite off speed pitches and sliders. Given another year his K% will fall. The true problem would be the asking price the Bucs would want for him.
Startling Marte?
sort of a lightweight version of Tim Wheeler. I also really like Zack von Rosenberg, but that’s mostly because I picture him taking the mound with a top hat and monocle.
Don't sleep on the big target
McCutchen wants them to well, show him the money, I guess to see if they are serious about making a run long term and they aren’t, both him and Hanrahan(ok I can’t spell) want extensions and the Pirates wont even talk to them. Yes, we would need to add something with Davis but McCutchen is not an automatic no.
Matt Moore. That is all.
Imagine a year with Jennings Upton and McCutchen in the OF
LOL
by Peter Piontek on Jan 5, 2012 4:03 PM EST up reply actions
It would be like the year we wasted the chance at Crawford Upton Jennings
Only, this time, we wouldn’t waste it.
Matt Moore. That is all.
that'd be neat
I just figure if the Pirates are trying to add “win now” pieces — maybe overvaluing their first half of 2011, plus correctly valuing how crappy that division is? — they probably aren’t going to part with their best player.
It would probably take Davis Lee and Torres i'd think.
by Peter Piontek on Jan 5, 2012 4:12 PM EST up reply actions
I agree with half of that
I don’t think Pittsburgh takes 3 guys with no superstar potential in exchange for a guy who is viewed as a budding superstar.
OTOH, I’m not convinced that 6 years of DJ isn’t worth more than 4 years of McCutchen. Put it this way: would you trade Jennings for McCutchen? I’m not sure I would.
You don't think Lee has superstar potential?
by Peter Piontek on Jan 5, 2012 4:34 PM EST up reply actions
He might but the only need the Padres have in their present rebuilding mode is a SS
With all the young players they have acquired and their target year looking like 2013-2014, Lee appears the guy they would want from the Rays(even over a starting pitcher like Davis or Neimann). They even seem locked in to Bartlett for this season. If a deal goes down between the two teams, I think Lee has too be involved.
no
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both, but mostly the latter.
it’s not that lee is unmoveable, it’s more that it’d have to be a more severe overpay in terms of prospects than any GM is willing to do, or part of a package for a current/budding superstar like the Cutch trade suggested.
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plus since he's 1-2+ years away at this point i don't think he'd be flipped for multiple prospects. it's just not a good time to trade him.
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And what about as part of a package?
Would you trade Davis and Lee for Rizzo and let’s say, Rymer Loriano(20 year old 5-tool prospect) or Joseph Weiland?
don't know enough about either of those prospects, but unless they're top 75s, probably not.
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Rymer Liriano could sneak in to the top 75, Joseph Weiland is probably outside of 100
But even if they were both top 75, I’d rather have a grade A position player than 2 B’s.
overrating an MLB starting pitcher who is already a 4-5 and has 2-3 potential if he gets back to the stuff he showed in the minors?
get out.
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2011 was the wrong year for Wade Davis to freakin experiment with his stuff
It would have severely diminished his trade value if not for the nice contract and being in the “tough” AL East.
i fully expect regression this year, not necessarily all the way to what he showed in his callup but certainly better than 2011.
and i don’t think that’s terribly unreasonable.
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I expect the same, especially with his new-found usage of a cutter
I’m actually secretly hoping that the Rays keep him so he has a chance to exponentially raise his trade value with better performance and results. OTOH, I’d rather keep him if that happens; good contract.
But he could be just a 4/5 who may be ticketed to the bullpen next season.
He is surplus to the Rays now which might factor in to how he is perceived, value wise, to another team. He is coming off two average years who’s value may not increase pitching out of the pen. And he is getting into his more expensive salary years(1.5, 2.8, 4.5 million)
he is only a bullpen pitcher on Rays, Phils, maybe a few other teams in MLB.
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yeah i forgot that davis was in there too, i'm not doin it.
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I like Lee as a prospect as well but that is all he is right now
His biggest assets appear to be his above average defense at SS and speed on the bases, which, while important, may not be as essential moving forward on a team like the Rays. I don’t think anyone is expecting Tulowitzki or Ramirez type power or high average from him which would certainly be desirable but not likely.
The Rays have won divisions with a guy who was an average hitter(with a career year hitting thrown in) but made all the routine plays at SS in Bartlett and also won last year with no offensive production at the position with one guy having a very good glove(Brignac) and one with no more than average
defense(Rodriquez). I just think if the right deal came along hanging on to him should not be a deal breaker.
his floor is light-hitting everyday SS with great defense and good average, I don't see a lot of those around. And that's not even counting how he continues to develop given his age.
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cool!
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he hasnt even had success at AA.
how do you figure his floor is a guy that hits for an empty average in the mlb when he hasnt even shown that ability in the high minors?
because he's so young and he only struggled in a small sample while possibly being injured?
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im not sure you understand what floor means.
in all likelihood he is better than that, and i think he is. no milb ss in baseball has that floor.
i guess you just don't agree with me.
even someone with that floor could get some injury or other catastrophic event that ruins their baseball career, but i feel (and it’s not that outlandish given what others have said) that his floor is what i’ve said.
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yeah i generally dont consider injury or freak event in floor unless theres some reason to.
id love to see quotes from someone saying that HJL’s floor is an empty .300 with plus defense. look at it this way, if he goes off for .300/.330/.350 then he’s just about 5 runs below average over a full season at the dish. with +5 defense at SS, he’s a 2.5-3 win player. so you’re saying that his floor is that of an average to above-average big leaguer?
.300 is your words, if we're talking floor i'm thinkng .280 and up is a good contact hitter with his speed.
i’d say his floor is a 2 win everyday SS which reflects the A-/B+ range people seem to consider him at. i’m much more excited about the possibilities as he develops.
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thats not true though.
here’s a study looking at the likelihood that prospects fitting certain criteria turn out in a variety of ways:
http://www.hardballtimes.com/main/article/the-bright-side-of-losing-santana/
looking at that, if he’s an 11-25 positional prospect (which is optimistic), then there’s a a 72% chance he isn’t even an everyday player. if he’s a 26-50 prospect (more likely), then there’s only a 20% chance h’s an everyday player or better. I like to think that we’ve improved our ability to judge prospects since then, but even if we double the likelihood there’s still a 50% chance he’s a total bust or fringe regular/utility guy.
again, i like lee, and i think his floor is absurdly high for a guy with less than a half season at aa, but his floor still isnt an average mlb player.
You may be right,
but I am not sure he will hit an empty .300. He hit 11 triples in A+ at age 20 (and 4 more in AA). I saw 2 of them, one a screaming line drive into the RF corner and the other up the RF alley.
He also hit a line drive double into the LF corner in another game I saw. Against Nestor Molina he looked terrible, striking out 3 times on pitches that dove into his back foot. But then he hit a ground single that went through the infield because it was hit so hard, not because it “found a hole”.
I certainly don’t claim this proves he has power, but I wonder what source(s) describes him as without power. Perhaps not home run power, but is there some consensus he will not hit doubles and triples?
And I think he has a chance to be not just an excellent defensive SS, but elite. If he can continue to get on base, and considering also his plus speed, the Rays have a top of the order hitter playing outstanding SS under control in his 20s for at least 6 years, at least 3 of them at minimum salary. That is a very valuable commodity
i dont disagree with any of this, bob.
i think he’s a great prospect who should have pretty good secondary skills (especially for his position), and thats why i think he has such a high ceiling. i do think that saying his floor is an average mlb player is a stretch, though. thats what i was trying to dispel.
I would not be so rash
as to speculate on his floor. I think you are right to be skeptical when someone says it is a floor of an average mlb player as that is really a very high “floor”.
My real question-and I mean real question with no hidden agenda in asking it-is whether there is evidence that he is not and will not be able to produce more than an empty BA, a la Juan Pierre let’s say.
It seems to me that he hits the ball hard and hits line drives, not lazy fly balls. But I am not certain of it. My judgment is based on seeing him in 5 or 6 games and reading his stat line. Are there sources that project a player who will only hit singles?
Why not?
Same age. Similar numbers in their first go round in full season A ball. Loriano shows more power and speed. If a SS has more value than a C’OF’er perhaps, but if there is a need(organizationally) for one position over another, it plays a factor.
I'd do that if I'm the Rays, but I don't think the Rays do that.
I’d love me some Cutch.
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They’re doing it wrong.
I'll make out with a guy if he knocks it in
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(Kotchman knocked it in)
by Vin on Jan 5, 2012 4:53 PM EST up reply actions
Alfonso Soriano as DH: 3 years for 27m (Essentially)
According to ESPN Chicago’s Bruce Levine, the Cubs have spoken to eight AL teams about Alfonso Soriano.
Soriano is owed $54 million over the next three years, but the Cubs are telling teams that they are willing to eat half of that. The 35-year-old outfielder batted .244 with a .759 OPS in 2011. He’s a better fit for an American League team than an NL club because he would be able to DH.
$27M for bringing an 800 OPS from NLC to ALE, no knees, no thanks.
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Just to be clear...
This wasn’t me saying I want him, just wanted to bring it up.
by Snarfalicious on Jan 5, 2012 9:26 PM EST up reply actions
and just me saying i have no interest in him. no worries, brother.
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I gurantee that Soriano as a full time DH would be a disaster on the order of Burrell.
For a guy who balked at changing positions and has been quite temperamental through his career about being miss utilized, I can’t see him being happy getting 4 AB’s a game and watching the game from the dugout.
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- Eric Hosmer redefines the Baltimore chop with infield double (Video)
- College player makes impossible over the fence catch to save tournament game (Video)
- Security!: Camden Yards guard collides with Royals’ Mike Moustakas
- The Juice: Nelson Cruz matches career high eight RBIs, Pujols stays hot in Seattle
- Benches clear at Fenway as Red Sox-Rays rivalry heats up
