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The Rays Tank: Bill Foster To Meet With Stuart Sternberg; Rays Sign Cuban Shortstop

ST. PETERSBURG - JULY 30:  Owner Stuart Sternberg of the Tampa Bay Rays talks with Sean Rodriguez #1 just before the start of the game against the New York Yankees at Tropicana Field on July 30 2010 in St. Petersburg Florida.  (Photo by J. Meric/Getty Images)

It's taken a long time for St. Pete major Bill Foster and Rays owner Stuart Sternberg to settle on another meeting, but it looks like they have finally settled on a date. The news came out a day or so ago that they had agreed to a meeting, and now the Tampa Bay Times and Tampa Tribune are reporting that they will sit down on January 17th to discuss the Rays stadium situation.

I wouldn't hold your breath, though. There's no reason to believe Foster will dramatically change his stance from the past, and we know it's not in the Rays' best interest to get a new stadium in St. Pete. The two sides are having a dialogue, which is better than the alternative, but I don't see any reason to get our hopes up.

On an interesting note, the Times article notes that the St. Pete city council can overrule Foster and change the terms of the city's agreement with the Rays...but only if they get six of their eight members to vote for those changes. If Foster continues to be intractable and mysterious, it's possible the city council could get fed up with him and take matters into their own hands. Doubtful, but possible.

In other Rays-related news, the Rays signed Cuban shortstop Joel Barroso to a minor league deal yesterday. Rays Digest found some YouTube videos of him, but that is quite literally the extent of my knowledge about Barroso. There's very little information out there on the interwebs about him, so it's difficult to say if he's a legit prospect or merely org filler. Considering that most exciting Cuban prospects receive a large deal of public fanfare, I'm going to assume it's the later...but at the same time, who knows?

  • Matt Swartz wrote an enlightening post for FanGraphs yesterday in which he tested to see what's more effective at predicting future ERA: projection systems or ERA estimators (like FIP and SIERA). His results were somewhat surprising; SIERA lapped the field, and that's without taking into consideration that SIERA isn't park-adjusted and doesn't regress pitcher performance. I also highly recommend checking out the comments on the piece for a good discussion, as well as this thread at The Book Blog.

    In short, I think we'll be using SIERA even more often around these parts.
  • If you like fancy charts and heat maps, Josh Weinstock put together a piece looking at how bad pitches thrown down the middle are. His conclusion: not nearly as bad as you'd expect.
  • There's a great interview with prospect Chris Archer up over at MiLB.com. I'm intrigued by his close relationship with Matt Moore; if Archer ever harnesses his stuff and becomes a consistent major league starter, I wonder if that'd help make him open to an extension.

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Speaking of Shortstops

Starling Castro plays the role of horrible human being:

So far we know that she “allegedly” left a bar with him at 3 a.m., passed out, woke up at 5:30 a.m. as she was being sexually assaulted, and went to the hospital.

http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2012/01/06/sources-cubs-starlin-castro-accused-of-sexual-assault/?utm_medium=twitter&utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_campaign=CBS+Chicago%27s+Most+Popular+News+Stories

by MrNegative1 on Jan 6, 2012 8:37 AM EST reply actions  

Sounds like a similar sort of report as with Josh Lueke.

Horrible all the way around. However this goes from here, it’s not gonna end well.

I love Casey Fossum. Now try and take me seriously.

by Steve Slowinski on Jan 6, 2012 8:45 AM EST up reply actions  

How do we know she didn't consent while she was wasted?

Maddon's Mission
Make you want to kill him, then make you want to love him. Sly.

by Jonah Keri on Jun 19, 2010 10:31 PM EDT

by Doug09 on Jan 6, 2012 9:24 AM EST up reply actions  

...
Toonces

Going to a man’s house wasted to the point of oblivion at 3 a.m. is a pretty good path to winding up sexuallly assaulted; didn’t your mama teach you anything, idiette?
January 6, 2012 at 6:17 am

Maddon's Mission
Make you want to kill him, then make you want to love him. Sly.

by Jonah Keri on Jun 19, 2010 10:31 PM EDT

by Doug09 on Jan 6, 2012 9:25 AM EST up reply actions  

yes means yes

Maddon's Mission
Make you want to kill him, then make you want to love him. Sly.

by Jonah Keri on Jun 19, 2010 10:31 PM EDT

by Doug09 on Jan 6, 2012 10:01 AM EST up reply actions  

other 30 seconds is you cleaning up

Maddon's Mission
Make you want to kill him, then make you want to love him. Sly.

by Jonah Keri on Jun 19, 2010 10:31 PM EDT

by Doug09 on Jan 6, 2012 10:09 AM EST up reply actions  

cleaning up his TrueBull*

"I don't always post off-topic, but when I do, I post at http://ottotd.com" - $tinky $tu
"Please break your typewriter and computer and never come out of your ass cave again"

by pudieron89 on Jan 6, 2012 1:48 PM EST up reply actions  

Can Neil Allen

work the same magic with Archer that he did with Moore? Let’s hope.

by MrNegative1 on Jan 6, 2012 8:38 AM EST reply actions  

About pitches down the middle

Interesting heat graphs.

Orel Hersheiser gave one of the bests lessons about pitching during one of his broadcasts.

He said that a pitcher wants the hitter to swing, he’d love for the hitter to swing at his pitch and put it in play, and he’d love to do this in order to work deep into games. He said that the key to everything is Height and Width. He says a good pitch will give the hitter 1 of these 2 options…but never both.

by MrNegative1 on Jan 6, 2012 8:41 AM EST reply actions  

Just wonder???

How many would object to the Rays signing Manny to a AAA contract?

Are the Rays the type of organization to move beyond the distraction and travesty of the 2011 Manny and allow him to play in Durham until the 50 game suspension is up and then have the resolve to add him back to a Major League clubhouse?

by MrNegative1 on Jan 6, 2012 8:50 AM EST reply actions  

I think it comes down to the actual players on the Rays team.

He was supposed to help lead the team last year, to be a big bat in the middle of the lineup. The team counted on him, and I am sure the players did a little too. However, he cheated on them, earning his 100 day suspension. On top of that, instead of manning up and serving the suspension, he quit, retiring and leaving the players with that. It obviously had to have angered some of the players on the team, and I believe that is the reason they can’t bring him back.

Sure, I still believe he has something left in the tank. I just don’t think you can bring him back on the Rays,

by mr. maniac on Jan 6, 2012 9:00 AM EST up reply actions  

Not 100% sure but...

He wouldn’t be able to play AAA ball either during this suspension. Extended Spring Training is probably a different story.

"It was a little weird seeing Ashley running at me with a closed fist. That was a scary look."-Matt Moore

by CubFanRaysaddict on Jan 6, 2012 9:12 AM EST up reply actions  

under the old CBA

a player could play the last 10 days in the minors to get ready.

Manny played 3 in High A and 2 in AAA before reporting back to the Dodgers.

by MrNegative1 on Jan 6, 2012 9:40 AM EST up reply actions  

The comment really doesn't read like that at all

"It was a little weird seeing Ashley running at me with a closed fist. That was a scary look."-Matt Moore

by CubFanRaysaddict on Jan 7, 2012 12:13 PM EST up reply actions  

Joel Barrosco

From that first video of one at bat, I see plate discipline and poor contact (take-take-take-take-whiff).

Anyone else with better scouts eyes care to comment on his swing from the BP in the second video?

by Whelk on Jan 6, 2012 10:38 AM EST reply actions  

One AB? Really?

If all we had on Josh Wilson was his one AB v Shields back in ‘10, you’d swear he was the next Pujols

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by sternfan1 on Jan 6, 2012 10:52 AM EST up reply actions  

Perhaps the mariners can sell him to a Cuban team, then.

We have to make this information shortage work both ways, or else the Communists will win.

by Whelk on Jan 6, 2012 11:10 AM EST up reply actions  

I suck at scouting hitters.

I can put a grade on a pitcher and judge their mechanics a little, but I’m lost on hitters.

by mr. maniac on Jan 6, 2012 11:19 AM EST up reply actions  

Making the grade
I haven’t seen Cobb personally, but his command is not too good according to BA.
by mr. maniac on Mar 23, 2011 12:22 PM PDT on 3/23/11 GDT: Phillies @ Rays on DRaysBay

Control is good, but so man control artists have struggled in the majors. Looks like Sonny to me.
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by FreeZorilla on Jan 6, 2012 1:09 PM EST up reply actions  

Cobb will never and should never get too much respect.
Archer could “breakout”.
Sweeney is a nice pick, but anyone who ranks him in te top 100, no matter how well he hits, is going to regret it. I doubt the injuries stop.
My pick would be Colome. If he gets his velocity back up and his other pitches continue to improve, he could be very good. Top 50 prospect next year.

by mr. maniac on Mar 23, 2011 11:21 AM PDT up reply actions

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by FreeZorilla on Jan 6, 2012 4:51 PM EST up reply actions  

SternfanYoda

Wise one he is

I'm not a fanboy, I'm an awesome dude

by Jason Collette on Jan 6, 2012 11:32 AM EST up reply actions  

I started it a few weeks ago,

If Ordonez is healthy and wants to play again he would make an excellent DH for the Rays come ST…especially if AF didn’t feel comfortable at that point. At 1-2 million with maybe some incentives it could be a nice move. Manny wasn’t signed last year to DH until Jan.24th.

by budman3 on Jan 7, 2012 4:45 PM EST up reply actions  

not there yet, but ESPN's Olney paints the Mets and Nationals as two teams to watch
The Rays continue to look for a first baseman and a designated hitter at a time when the market has Carlos Pena, Casey Kotchman and others. One option among many is the Mets’ Daniel Murphy — and on paper, the Rays and Mets would seem to have a possible fit, because New York is looking for young starting pitching, and Murphy is an excellent hitter who doesn’t strike out a lot. Given the nature of the Rays’ offense — which relies on on-base percentage and speed — Murphy’s ability to put the ball in play could be viewed by Tampa Bay as a significant asset.

Personally I would prefer Duda, but if the Mets are willing to part with one of their young hitters for pitching, this is a scenario worth playing out.

The Nationals would have to eat the money owed to Adam LaRoche, perhaps as part of a trade with a team like the Tampa Bay Rays, who are looking for a first baseman. This is really not that big a deal; if you are willing to spend $150-plus million on Fielder, the $9 million owed to LaRoche is not going to be an impediment

LaRoche, if healthy could be a cheap option, or if the Rays would be willing to consider moving Upton, they might be able to do some sort of swap for Morse. Adding Upton allows the Nats to keep Werth out of center and upgrades their defense. Morse has more years of team control, so I can see why the Rays might be willing to do something like that. All depends on how much of a “outlier” season people believe Morse had, or how likely he is to repeat it or come close to it.

by raysfaninminnesota on Jan 6, 2012 12:06 PM EST up reply actions  

respect his authori...zzzzzz

"I don't always post off-topic, but when I do, I post at http://ottotd.com" - $tinky $tu
"Please break your typewriter and computer and never come out of your ass cave again"

by pudieron89 on Jan 6, 2012 1:51 PM EST up reply actions  

Don't worry about Foster

He will explain to $tu that he has a plan, but it’s a secret and he’s not telling. And if $tu doesn’t like it, Foster will just stomp his feet and leave the room. He will let put himself on a time-out and will not be able to meet again until 2013.

by raysfaninminnesota on Jan 6, 2012 11:41 AM EST reply actions  

Rizzo to the Cubs

RT @fantasy411: #Cubs today acquired Anthony Rizzo and RHP Zach Cates from #Padres for right-handed pitcher Andrew Cashner and outfielder Kyung-Min Na.

I'm not a fanboy, I'm an awesome dude

by Jason Collette on Jan 6, 2012 2:03 PM EST reply actions  

Torres >>>>>>>>> Cashner

and Morrison >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> some dude who isn’t in the Cubs top 30 (meaning he wouldn’t be in the Rays top 100)

by AndrewTorrez on Jan 6, 2012 8:39 PM EST up reply actions  

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