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The Votes Are In and Morris Left Out Again


Well the ballots have been cast and congratulations to Barry Larkin for being the sole individual to join the greats in Cooperstown this year. All in all the voting went as expected but I am pretty upset that Jack Morris once again was denied enshrinement.

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So I'm curious, for every one out there, is my fan-dom clouding my judgment? Does his dominance over 2 decades belong in the Hall or is his less then perfect career stats a valid reason to keep him out. We can go back and forth debating the numbers but lets keep it simple, YES or NO on putting one of the best stash's ever in the H.O.F.

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Regressing to the mean streets of St. Pete

by stpetelawyer on Jan 9, 2012 8:56 PM EST reply actions  

Dear god no

Jack Morris shouldn’t be allowed to even visit the Hall of Fame.

by AndrewTorrez on Jan 9, 2012 10:13 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

"Dominance over 2 decades"

“Less than perfect stats”

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by Imperialism32 on Jan 9, 2012 10:20 PM EST reply actions  

It is instructive to

check the careers of 2 other pitchers who have some HOF support, Luis Tiant and Tommy John, at BB-Ref and compare them to Morris’s. Morris has 25 more wins than Tiant, which is a smaller gap in wins than that between Morris and John, but in just about every other category, whether traditional or progressive he lags behind Tiant and in many cases behind John as well.

In some cases, as in WAR, he is not even in the same class; in others, as in K rates, he lags by less but is still worse. His win % is virtually identical to Tiant’s and only marginally better than John’s.

Once you enshrine Morris, there can be no argument against not just those 2 better pitchers but myriad others. And it is not just a matter of stats. In his time, Tiant was as feared a pitcher as some claim Morris was and in 2 seasons was elite, something Morris could never claim. And John was a staff leader on a number of pennant winning teams.

by bobr on Jan 10, 2012 6:51 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

When do you sleep?

:P

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by Imperialism32 on Jan 10, 2012 6:58 AM EST up reply actions  

Echoes my sentiments

Morris should be near the top of the hall of very good, but falls short of almost any hall of fame measure.

As for most wins in the 80’s, the guy who had the second most wins in the 80’s, only 4 fewer than Morris, whose career ERA is a half a run lower than Morris’s didn’t even last on the ballot for more than two elections.

Can anyone guess who he is?

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by Brickhaus on Jan 10, 2012 11:22 AM EST up reply actions  

Jack Morris is essentially Jack McDowell

with 6 seasons as a replacement-level SP thrown in. Oh, and one phenomenal WS game.

by AndrewTorrez on Jan 10, 2012 1:51 PM EST up reply actions  

Steib, however, is the correct answer

Bad Left Hook - The SB Nation boxing blog
"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."

by Brickhaus on Jan 10, 2012 11:18 PM EST up reply actions  

Although I must have done my math poorly

Bad Left Hook - The SB Nation boxing blog
"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."

by Brickhaus on Jan 10, 2012 11:20 PM EST up reply actions  

As he should be

I'm not a fanboy, I'm an awesome dude

by Jason Collette on Jan 10, 2012 9:44 AM EST reply actions  

NO

Ignoring numbers completely, the guy was only a 5 time all-star. People didn’t even think he was that great when he was playing.

Bad Left Hook - The SB Nation boxing blog
"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."

by Brickhaus on Jan 10, 2012 11:25 AM EST reply actions  

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