The Rays Tank: Reason #472 Why Joe Maddon Is Awesome
Last week sometime, new Red Sox manager Bobby Valentine banned beer in the clubhouse after games, citing last year's beer-and-fried-chicken-related issues. Normally I wouldn't care about this sort of story -- the initial report about the Red Sox drinking beer in the clubhouse was so overblown -- except to point and laugh at the Red Sox for being so ridiculous. But it looks like I won't even have to do that, as Joe Maddon has already gone and done it for us:
Unlike a certain other team, the Rays will not ban beer in their clubhouse.
"We're not the Boston Red Sox,'' manager Joe Maddon said. (Marc Topkin, Tampa Bay Times)
Oh snap! Maddon has been rather vocal about how banning beer from the clubhouse is a stupid decision, calling the proposal "asinine" when asked earlier in the off-season, and what else do you expect from a noted wine connoisseur? In his recent comments, he went on to state how he believes players are grown-ups and can make responsible decisions for themselves. That sounds like a very rational approach to me, and one that fits in with the atmosphere that Maddon promotes in the Rays' locker room.
Oh, and what about fried chicken?
"Depends if that's what they're serving that night,‘' Maddon said. "It kind of goes well with (beer) actually.''
Maddon is the best.
- Ever wonder if this whole sabermetrics thing is actually useful for players? Apparently Brandon McCarthy credits his breakout success last season on him learning about sabermetrics and using it to refine and improve his pitching. Many other players have tried using stats knowledge to help them get better (notably Brian Bannister), but things don't always work out as well as they did for McCarthy. His story is incredible, and if you only read one thing today, make it this ESPN Magazine piece on him.
- Meanwhile, if you only listen to one thing today (outside your boss or wife, I suppose), it should be the Rays Prospects podcast. Kevin and Scott have Kevin Goldstein on as a guest this week, and there's a ton of great prospect-talk.
- Over at Rays Digest, John put up some notes this weekend from early spring training. There are some classic Maddon quotes in there, but the note on J.P. Howell at the end really caught my eye. "I can actually repeat a pitch, and that's what I couldn't do all last year." Good sign, I guess?
- Ryan Zimmerman signed a six year, $100 million contract extension with the Washington Nationals this weekend, and it seems like there's no consensus on if it's a good or bad deal. Dave Cameron likes it, Tom Tango thinks it won't quite work out. The contract won't start up until his current deal runs out (and there are two seasons still to go), so there's certainly plenty of risk involved, but Zimmerman is still one of the top young third basemen in baseball. At least he'll give the Nationals something to build around for a long time coming.
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He just wanted people to know he knew it.
WOULD HAVE WOULD HAVE
If you lived closer I would have kicked the snot out of you by now
Matt Moore. That is all.
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Let's be honest
If you surveyed managers and coaches of the 3 major sports what the Volstead Act was, 95% of them would be clueless unless they were watching Boardwalk Empire
by Jason Collette on Feb 27, 2012 10:37 AM EST up reply actions
He mentioned it back in July, I don't think he would have forgotten it since then
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by Sandy Kazmir on Feb 27, 2012 10:39 AM EST up reply actions
2 good out of market reads from the weekend
Tyler Kepner Looks at Jose Molinain the New York Times
Phil Rogers of the Chicago Tribune Revisits the Matt Garza trade
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Garza link
http://www.bnd.com/2012/02/26/2075522/phil-rogers-a-year-later-what.html
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I really enjoy Kepner's work
For a national guy, he’s at The Trop quite frequently. I saw him there at least 6 times last season and only one of those times was it for a Yankees game.
by Jason Collette on Feb 27, 2012 9:32 AM EST up reply actions
Matt Moore misses batting practice this morning due to abdominal soreness--Let's hope that's all
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SF1 on Hellickson last March
and when his hammy was reported as ‘nothing’ and SF1 said c’ya in May—the great RJ scoffed at me Funny sometimes how right i can be
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by sternfan1 on Mar 6, 2011 9:24 AM PST reply actions
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Unfortunate that Hellickson missed April and May. Maybe this year he'll hold up.
by R.J. Anderson on Feb 27, 2012 9:24 AM EST up reply actions
so, you're happy with this Moore setback
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by sternfan1 on Feb 27, 2012 9:28 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
sterny truly did come to camp in the best shape of his life this year
And we all know how important a good Feb/March is to a poster’s regular season success.
Use the force, Lueke
He's easily put on 10 to 15 lbs of snark
He’s come to camp determined
by Jason Collette on Feb 27, 2012 9:54 AM EST up reply actions
Keeps his pitch count lower; a true blessing
About half as happy as you seemed in the above comment when Helly’s hammy was stung
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Hold your breath until they do.
You are banned from Over the Monster.
You are banned from Minor League Ball.
Absolutely and totally unnecessary to pick on Marisa. You're gone.
by DeadeyeRR on Feb 27, 2012 8:59 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
2%?
Thats some weak alcohol
by BossmanJunior333 on Feb 27, 2012 3:50 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Is Maddon wearing jeans or jorts in this picture?
This is important to know.
by Passionate Apathy on Feb 27, 2012 9:12 AM EST reply actions
One thing that bothers me
Is we keep hearing/reading about Molina’s great ability to frame pitches. Hope no umpire gets it in his head to beat Molina and call the close one’s balls.
I'm thinking the Rays signing Molina will the long awaited catalyst for Robot Umps
Can’t have those small market boys exploiting holes in the game
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I recall in the 09 post-season, the great debate on whether Molina would handle Burnett or Posada
If I recall, the Yankees and Burnett were heavily mocked by the smarts for considering Molina. Funny how a few studies can change perspective.
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umpire's aren't smart
probably do nothing during the offseason except record with their bluegrass bands and count their money.
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by mr. maniac on Jan 24, 2012 12:46 PM EST
"Please break your typewriter and computer and never come out of your ass cave again" [referring to predominantly minority neighborhoods in St. Petersburg]
Joe West has been standing naked in the mirror (cowboy hat on, natch) practicing his ejections on a daily basis
He might set some records this year
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by Sandy Kazmir on Feb 27, 2012 10:15 AM EST up reply actions
please don't talk about joe west naked practicing ejections, i just ate breakfast
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by mr. maniac on Jan 24, 2012 12:46 PM EST
"Please break your typewriter and computer and never come out of your ass cave again" [referring to predominantly minority neighborhoods in St. Petersburg]
I was thinking about this myself, about the only thing that is more vindictive and bitter than an MLB umpire is a woman that has rapidly lost her looks
I could see them calling a bunch of borderline pitches balls just out of spite.
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by Sandy Kazmir on Feb 27, 2012 10:13 AM EST up reply actions
This post by Stark which was fanshat by nomoredevil is worth a read too
http://espn.go.com/mlb/spring2012/story/_/id/7615479/tampa-bay-rays-rotation-all-quality
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Hoping Friedman is right on this one:
“I think the BABIP is way overstated in the case of Jeremy Hellickson,” Friedman said, “because of how many infield popups he gets and the weak contact he induces. He’s got an uncanny feel for how to miss the barrel [of the bat] and how to read hitters and move the ball around.”
Have to say I’m not surprised he’s cognizant of the infield flies. Rancel also pointed out that Hellickson’s walk rate is a bit inflated due to eight intentionals.
by R.J. Anderson on Feb 27, 2012 9:25 AM EST up reply actions
AF clearly read TPR
It was all laid out there
by Jason Collette on Feb 27, 2012 9:31 AM EST up reply actions
The uBBs are adjusted for for in all metrics except BB/9
Still staring down a 4.44 FIP, and 4.72 xFIP. Having said that I expect very meaningful improvement in K/uBB this year. That SwStrk rate is just too good for that low a K rate. And his feel is too good for that high a BB rate.
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by FreeZorilla on Feb 27, 2012 9:36 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
He's gotta improve or outpitch the periphs, yeah.
I think he’s got the stuff to improve. We’ll see how the cutter goes this spring, but I’d be surprised if he comes away with awful component measures too often in his career.
by R.J. Anderson on Feb 27, 2012 9:38 AM EST up reply actions
He had the second best whiff rate in the zone to Morrow.
He needs to induce a bit more chasing, which may have something to do with working ahead. He induced the 6th lowest swing rate outside the zone of any AL starter.
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In the fantasy realm..
I’ve spent a lot of time defending Hellickson using these same points. He’ll never come as a value to me in a league, but if people are going to focus on his xFIP as they are, he’s going to be a bargain in some of the less-knowledgeable leagues.
by Jason Collette on Feb 27, 2012 9:43 AM EST up reply actions
Even at the expert symposium in Arizona in November, all of the focus was on xERA, xFIP, BABIP, etc
I stood up and pointed out Rancel’s work, the fact the team’s BABIP has been the best in baseball over the past 4 seasons due to the 1,523,421 shifts Maddon runs, and how Hellickson’s called strike rate was so low (was actually worse w/ Shoppach back there)
by Jason Collette on Feb 27, 2012 9:49 AM EST up reply actions
Yep, less-knowledgable leagues don't even know what xFIP is
October 28th, 2011-- a date which will live in infamy--
OTTOTD.com
and that's a majority of your big $$ national leagues
Having helped run the NFBC auction/drafts, I found that the largest qualification for being in those leagues is not your skill, but your wallet. If you have $5K to throw around at a chance of making $125K, you’ll do it. I saw a guy take Chipper Jones 59th overall 2 years ago
by Jason Collette on Feb 27, 2012 9:53 AM EST up reply actions
Yup
The guy that was written up in the NY Times this offseason has won over $300K in the past 3 years. Awesome guy who never stops learning. I got him onto Twitter because he wanted to keep an edge on his competition — that from a guy that has made that kind of bank playing fantasy baseball.
by Jason Collette on Feb 27, 2012 9:57 AM EST up reply actions
99% of people just pick a guy within the top 20 players left in the ESPN/Yahoo rankings
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Oppress the masses
Use the force, Lueke
by nomoredevil on Feb 27, 2012 10:01 AM EST up reply actions
We should have a pool one day based on how many time Jollette uses the word "I" in a day
We can’t tell him about it so that he can alter what he’s doing, but I’d have to say it’s in the 50-60s on a good day.
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by Sandy Kazmir on Feb 27, 2012 10:23 AM EST up reply actions
Telling him about it only increases the "I rate"
He does not like to disappoint
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by FreeZorilla on Feb 27, 2012 10:24 AM EST up reply actions
Not according to his wives, zing.
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by Sandy Kazmir on Feb 27, 2012 10:29 AM EST up reply actions
Fine, I'll start talking in the 3rd person
by Jason Collette on Feb 27, 2012 10:39 AM EST up reply actions
Or just keep it professional and not about you, buddy
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by Sandy Kazmir on Feb 27, 2012 10:40 AM EST up reply actions
Didn't know that about his whiff rate in-zone.
BP’s got him a little lower, but this is based off PITCHf/x data, which might explain the difference. The top 25 and their Z-Contact rate:
Brandon Morrow 0.82
Tim Wakefield 0.82
Francisco Liriano 0.83
Justin Verlander 0.84
Cory Luebke 0.84
Tim Lincecum 0.84
Max Scherzer 0.84
Jeremy Hellickson 0.84
Michael Pineda 0.84
David Price 0.84
Cole Hamels 0.84
Cliff Lee 0.84
Anibal Sanchez 0.85
Brandon Beachy 0.85
Jered Weaver 0.85
Daniel Hudson 0.85
Gio Gonzalez 0.85
Chris Narveson 0.86
Josh Beckett 0.86
Tommy Hanson 0.86
Cc Sabathia 0.86
Roy Halladay 0.86
Scott Baker 0.86
Ted Lilly 0.86
R.a. Dickey 0.86
by R.J. Anderson on Feb 27, 2012 9:55 AM EST up reply actions
Yup, that's what I'm seeing on FG's leaderboard too.
At least, the Pitch F/x one. By the BIS data, Helly’s #2.
I love Casey Fossum. Now try and take me seriously.
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by Steve Slowinski on Feb 27, 2012 9:58 AM EST up reply actions
Wade Davis 92.8%
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by FreeZorilla on Feb 27, 2012 10:00 AM EST up reply actions
Same guys with their SO rate:
Brandon Morrow 0.261
Tim Wakefield 0.137
Francisco Liriano 0.19
Justin Verlander 0.258
Cory Luebke 0.278
Tim Lincecum 0.244
Max Scherzer 0.209
Jeremy Hellickson 0.151
Michael Pineda 0.249
David Price 0.238
Cole Hamels 0.228
Cliff Lee 0.259
Anibal Sanchez 0.243
Brandon Beachy 0.286
Daniel Hudson 0.184
Jered Weaver 0.214
Gio Gonzalez 0.228
Chris Narveson 0.18
Josh Beckett 0.228
Tommy Hanson 0.263
CC Sabathia 0.234
Roy Halladay 0.236
Scott Baker 0.225
Ted Lilly 0.198
R.A. Dickey 0.153
by R.J. Anderson on Feb 27, 2012 10:01 AM EST up reply actions
So if you ignore the knuckleballers, Helly has the lowest K-rate.
If he can get up to Narveson levels that’s 22 more strikeouts last year—good for a 6.62 K/9. Take away the intentional walks and you get a 2.16 strikeout-to-walk ratio.
by R.J. Anderson on Feb 27, 2012 10:05 AM EST up reply actions
Here's GB and Contact rates over the last 4 years so Helly didn't make the cut

He’s essentially in the same exact spot as Jered Weaver at 77,35. As you can see, nobody else lives out there, but the one guy that does is pretty dang good. Seems like a very fine margin that washes most guys out or you’re just that good
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by Sandy Kazmir on Feb 27, 2012 10:27 AM EST up reply actions
1st and 2nd standard deviations from the mean adjusted around the linear trendline
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by Sandy Kazmir on Feb 27, 2012 10:58 AM EST up reply actions
Ah. Sort of surprised Price is almost average in both.
Would’ve pegged him for less contact than the league-average. Hopefully he doesn’t get burned on his curve this year as much as he did last year.
by R.J. Anderson on Feb 27, 2012 10:59 AM EST up reply actions
Part of it is that he's so fastball heavy, but also the respect from other managers that sees all but the best lefties riding the pine
In his career he’s had the platoon disadvantage 76% of the time. I’d be more happy if he would commit to developing the change and just scrap the curveball for now. With that fastball he can afford to be a two-pitch guy as long as the change is solid-average.
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by Sandy Kazmir on Feb 27, 2012 11:03 AM EST up reply actions
In theory, that fastball should help set up the curve.
Look at good Zito. Fastball up and away, then here comes the curve. Now I don’t think Price’s curve is Zito-good, but his fastball is much better.
by R.J. Anderson on Feb 27, 2012 11:07 AM EST up reply actions
I'm more concerned about having a weapon that can put away righties and keep them from sitting on the fastball
I’d love to see him throw a loopy curve that he can drop in for strikes, because batters almost never swing, but umps also rarely call it. Think Johan Santana with an 80 FB/60 CH instead of the other way around
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by Sandy Kazmir on Feb 27, 2012 11:09 AM EST up reply actions
I'm guessing that's why he started tossing the cutter--to keep guys off his other fastball.
It’s weird, his older scouting reports suggested he had a plus-changeup. I’ll have to go back and look for it, but I don’t remember always being wowed by it.
by R.J. Anderson on Feb 27, 2012 11:12 AM EST up reply actions
Depends when you catch him, when he's first learning something he seems quick to pick it up, but grows bored and doesn't maintain that edge
I’d love to see him tweet less about his dog, smoke less weed, and actually work on these pitches. Right now he’s the guy that is so much more talented than others that he can get by without putting in the work, but he won’t always have that fastball and will have to adjust. Reminds me of Kazmir in a lot of ways.
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by Sandy Kazmir on Feb 27, 2012 11:14 AM EST up reply actions
He should date a playmate
That could go either way.
Funny you reference Kazmir in that some thought the reason he was dealt away from here was to keep him away from Price
by Jason Collette on Feb 27, 2012 11:16 AM EST up reply actions
I rewatched the highlights from Kaz's final game with the Rays.
He got 10 Ks, but they were all on mid-to-high-80s fastballs and high-70s slurvy type things.
by R.J. Anderson on Feb 27, 2012 11:19 AM EST up reply actions
I've got a buddy who's roommate pitched for South Carolina the last two years, but grew up in Texas and was
friends with Kaz’s agent and followed him all the way up. He said that Kaz had in his contract that the team could never tell him to quit smoking weed and that a big reason he was moved was because all those two were doing was chiefing together. This is real, though also works as a dig, I guess.
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by Sandy Kazmir on Feb 27, 2012 11:19 AM EST up reply actions
- Total Collette Post
Boom. Outta Here.
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by Ryan Gilliss on Feb 27, 2012 11:20 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Too many degrees of separation
Collete is almost always one degree, never more than 2
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by FreeZorilla on Feb 27, 2012 11:25 AM EST up reply actions
OBF
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by Ryan Gilliss on Feb 27, 2012 11:27 AM EST up reply actions
Won't happen again
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by FreeZorilla on Feb 27, 2012 11:31 AM EST up reply actions
The same reason Joe Maddon's son is on the way out (and he can't hit anything except weed smoking devices).
by firemangreg on Feb 27, 2012 11:47 AM EST up reply actions
"hey guys in case you didn't see sunday i made a really funny joke, aw shucks, i'll just do it again!"
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by mr. maniac on Jan 24, 2012 12:46 PM EST
"Please break your typewriter and computer and never come out of your ass cave again" [referring to predominantly minority neighborhoods in St. Petersburg]
He's human
I’m sure the watermelon industry would prefer fewer concetric whiff vs GB graphs and a bit more cross-hybridizing
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by FreeZorilla on Feb 27, 2012 11:16 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I'm not really on the production-side but I do enjoy attending grower meetings where I feel like I've learned just a ton about growing practices.
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by Sandy Kazmir on Feb 27, 2012 11:20 AM EST up reply actions
Do you spend more time in meetings or in airports waiting for delayed flights?
I’m guessing the latter
by Jason Collette on Feb 27, 2012 11:22 AM EST up reply actions
That's all this weekend was, such a waste of time. Airport time including flight:
Saturday: 4:30A to 11:30A
Sunday: 11:30A to 11:30P
Total: 19 Hours
Hotel/Convention/Meetings:
Saturday: 12:00P to 12:00A
Sunday: 12:00A to 11:00A
Total: 23 Hours
Note that the latter portion includes the five hours of sleep that I got at the hotel, take that off and Airports & Flights wins.
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by Sandy Kazmir on Feb 27, 2012 11:28 AM EST up reply actions
If Jason had his travel schedule and your flight issues, he'd kill himself
by Jason Collette on Feb 27, 2012 11:29 AM EST up reply actions
This meme is as fun as joeybw's counld of campaign
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by FreeZorilla on Feb 27, 2012 11:31 AM EST up reply actions
your not responding very good to you're intervention.
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by mr. maniac on Jan 24, 2012 12:46 PM EST
"Please break your typewriter and computer and never come out of your ass cave again" [referring to predominantly minority neighborhoods in St. Petersburg]
cool it spanish
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by mr. maniac on Jan 24, 2012 12:46 PM EST
"Please break your typewriter and computer and never come out of your ass cave again" [referring to predominantly minority neighborhoods in St. Petersburg]
Remember when his knuckle curve was amazing? Remember when his 2-seamer was out of this world? Remember when his change was interstellar?
Do you have some other explanation for why the guy can pick up a ball and look very good learning a new pitch and then just never use it again or throw it poorly?
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by Sandy Kazmir on Feb 27, 2012 12:23 PM EST up reply actions
Tweeting and weed
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by Ryan Gilliss on Feb 27, 2012 12:26 PM EST up reply actions
I'm not sure any of them independantly look great
His fastball is so good that the medicore offerings bring in good results. Unfortunately, that only gets you so far against the best of the best. Basically, I think writers tend to get over excited ab out a specific offering, its jsut a tribute to the fastball.
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by FreeZorilla on Feb 27, 2012 12:29 PM EST up reply actions
What, exactly, am I wrong about?
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by Sandy Kazmir on Feb 27, 2012 12:29 PM EST up reply actions
I don't think his tweeting has any effect on his performance on the field...
and I have yet to here anywhere other than the fourth hand statements you’ve made about Price and weed.
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by Ryan Gilliss on Feb 27, 2012 1:50 PM EST up reply actions
You beautiful, naive son of a pup, you.
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by Sandy Kazmir on Feb 27, 2012 2:08 PM EST up reply actions
I would just imagine that I would hear about something like that more quickly than you
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by Ryan Gilliss on Feb 27, 2012 2:51 PM EST up reply actions
Self analysis can be difficult
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by Sandy Kazmir on Feb 27, 2012 3:08 PM EST up reply actions
You live 1282 miles away from him...
I live 3.5 miles away. Your source is your friend’s friend who pitched at South Carolina that heard that Scott Kazmir had a contractual provision (I’m sure the MLBPA and MLB would allow such language) banning the Rays from telling Kazmir to quit smoking weed, which led to the Rays trading Kazmir to keep him away from Price.
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by Ryan Gilliss on Feb 27, 2012 3:14 PM EST up reply actions
My source is knowing the habits of drug users
What you’re quoting is but one piece of the puzzle that may seem circumspect until you add in the stash of bud stolen from their ST apartment last year and the fact that Maddon gets so much out of his players by letting them smoke if they so choose. Take the blinders off, grow up, and stop making everything so personal.
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by Sandy Kazmir on Feb 27, 2012 3:17 PM EST up reply actions
There is a 0% chance that verbiage was in his contract.
That said, I’ve also caught wind of Price’s “habits”. Not literally.
I didn't say what it said explicitly just that it was implicitly in there
If you don’t think that David Price enjoys the occasional snifter of the reef then you’re either an idiot or woefully ignorant of how the world works.
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by Sandy Kazmir on Feb 27, 2012 3:21 PM EST up reply actions
Enough to affect his on field performance though?
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by Ryan Gilliss on Feb 27, 2012 3:21 PM EST up reply actions
I never made any claims that it has an effect on the field, just that I wish he would spend some of that time refinining his pitches
so that they are consistently good instead of just good for a week. As FreeZo eloquently laid out, some of that is probably the pitch initially looking better because throwing anything off the fastball is going to look better. I just wish he’d develop a secondary pitch and stick with it instead of jumping around and never mastering anything.
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by Sandy Kazmir on Feb 27, 2012 3:23 PM EST up reply actions
It seemed that you were making an argument...
that his tweeting and weed smoking were the reasons that he hadn’t developed any new pitches.
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by Ryan Gilliss on Feb 27, 2012 3:31 PM EST up reply actions
FYI, this is what I read no matter what you respond with.
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by Sandy Kazmir on Feb 27, 2012 12:36 PM EST up reply actions
im sorry i dont come up with hard hitting analysis of a player's supposed personal life and why it's a detriment to his talent (after the best year of his career).
In other words, whatever
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by Sandy Kazmir on Feb 27, 2012 12:46 PM EST up reply actions
His changeup like actually is good though
by benderbrodriguez on Feb 27, 2012 12:35 PM EST up reply actions
For how long?
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by Sandy Kazmir on Feb 27, 2012 12:36 PM EST up reply actions
It rates well on linear weights
And if you don’t buy into those (I don’t always), it got whiffs 10.3% of the time last season, most of any of his pitches. Don’t get me wrong, it isn’t Shields’s or anything, but it’s good
by benderbrodriguez on Feb 27, 2012 12:44 PM EST up reply actions
Right, but again its his fastball that makes it work
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by FreeZorilla on Feb 27, 2012 12:45 PM EST up reply actions
Well, the arm action really.
The velocity doesn’t hurt though.
by R.J. Anderson on Feb 27, 2012 12:46 PM EST up reply actions
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Use the force, Lueke
by nomoredevil on Feb 27, 2012 11:17 AM EST up reply actions
and this is why Jason would take someone like Lowe on the cheap in fantasy
and Volquez moving to San Diego would be a nice bargain as well.
by Jason Collette on Feb 27, 2012 10:47 AM EST up reply actions
Its the notsohumblebragging I's he is referencing
Everyone has opinions, they just don’t always start with As I was telling Bud Selig the toher day, or I always knew Evan would be a good hitter ever since I taught him to hit the curve back in 03.
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by FreeZorilla on Feb 27, 2012 10:51 AM EST up reply actions
FOTS is taking a back seat to FOJC
Kiley:
He had to go dark when he was in the FO, just as most do
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It’s a good thing he’s back writing in the public domain, friend or no friend.
Mike Fast:
Dammit, Mike Fast’s work is off the public domain
by Jason Collette on Jan 24, 2012 10:06 AM PST on The Rays Tank: The Orioles Are Gettin’ Busy on DRaysBay
Astros hired him. Very happy for him as we’ve been friends a long time, but his work will be missed
Random anthem singer:
Barry my boy is in Orlando today
by Jason Collette on Jan 19, 2012 8:44 AM PST on The Rays Tank: Foster-Sternberg Aftermath on DRaysBay
A good friend of mine is signing the national anthem at his Disney appearance today
Baseball Insider Sitter Inner:
Arb hearings are never an enjoyable experience I have a friend that sits in a few and has been pulled in as a consultant to present data (not w/ Rays) and it’s never easy to sit there and listen to a player get a performance review by his team that is mostly negative as they try to get the arbiter to rule in their favor.
There’s a reason most prefer to settle before the hearing.
I’m not a fanboy, I’m an awesome dude
by Jason Collette on Jan 9, 2012 7:06 AM PST up reply actions
And thats just YTD for friend mentions
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by FreeZorilla on Feb 27, 2012 10:58 AM EST up reply actions 3 recs
great detective work, subpar quoting
9 recs.
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by mr. maniac on Jan 24, 2012 12:46 PM EST
"Please break your typewriter and computer and never come out of your ass cave again" [referring to predominantly minority neighborhoods in St. Petersburg]
Awful quoting
Not sure what happened
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by FreeZorilla on Feb 27, 2012 11:01 AM EST up reply actions
This is a productive way to spend a Monday morning
by Jason Collette on Feb 27, 2012 11:03 AM EST up reply actions
took 2 minutes
as evidenced by the quotebox gaffes
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by FreeZorilla on Feb 27, 2012 11:14 AM EST up reply actions
2 minutes? your wives are jealous....zing!
by Jason Collette on Feb 27, 2012 11:15 AM EST up reply actions
Someone else is supposed to offer the zing
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by FreeZorilla on Feb 27, 2012 11:17 AM EST up reply actions
zing.
I got away from the one thing that kept me on the straight and narrow, and that was my relationship with the Lord
by Sandy Kazmir on Feb 27, 2012 11:05 AM EST up reply actions
Site will be renamed JCRaysBay on March 1st
by Jason Collette on Feb 27, 2012 11:13 AM EST up reply actions
Cat out of the bag on a Slow step down?
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by FreeZorilla on Feb 27, 2012 11:18 AM EST up reply actions
Not unless someone has a job to offer me.
Yay economies.
I love Casey Fossum. Now try and take me seriously.
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by Steve Slowinski on Feb 27, 2012 11:22 AM EST up reply actions
If you would get off the internet and go look for a job......
You are banned from Over the Monster.
You are banned from Minor League Ball.
Absolutely and totally unnecessary to pick on Marisa. You're gone.
Getting paid while interneting.
don’t be Jelly, hatefield
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Absolutely and totally unnecessary to pick on Marisa. You're gone.
bookkeeper is one of my favorite word
because of “ookkee”
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by mr. maniac on Jan 24, 2012 12:46 PM EST
"Please break your typewriter and computer and never come out of your ass cave again" [referring to predominantly minority neighborhoods in St. Petersburg]
So Petco gives pitchers the ability to throw strikes when they've never been able to do so prior?
Balls in play have never been his issue
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by Sandy Kazmir on Feb 27, 2012 10:59 AM EST up reply actions
So Petco gives pitchers the ability to throw strikes when they've never been able to do so prior?
Balls in play have never been his issue
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by Sandy Kazmir on Feb 27, 2012 10:59 AM EST up reply actions
high ground ball rate, low contact
Petco is a nice place for that kind of profile. I’m talking $5 or less
by Jason Collette on Feb 27, 2012 11:00 AM EST up reply actions
I thought Petco was a nice place for fly ball guys, ground ball guys, all kinds of guys that put the ball in play
My point is that Volquez walks or strikes out 35% of all his batters he would get less help from the park due to less balls being put in play. Everyone is a nice buy low that pitches in Petco, Volquez not nearly as much as an Andy Sonnanstine type
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by Sandy Kazmir on Feb 27, 2012 11:07 AM EST up reply actions
Can you take this chart to a 3rd level?
Contact, GB, & HR rate?
by Jason Collette on Feb 27, 2012 10:50 AM EST up reply actions
How would you suggest I go about that? I don't have much experience with a third axis
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by Sandy Kazmir on Feb 27, 2012 10:59 AM EST up reply actions
Venn Diagram approach?
Give each stat it’s own circle and see who overlaps in the middle?
by Jason Collette on Feb 27, 2012 11:01 AM EST up reply actions
I don't think you get what's going on here.
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by Sandy Kazmir on Feb 27, 2012 11:07 AM EST up reply actions
I do, just looking at it from a different approach
by Jason Collette on Feb 27, 2012 11:09 AM EST up reply actions
If I was capable of going into a 3rd dimension I would look at walks which are not being represented at all here
You can use GB% as a proxy for HR in a pinch, but nothing establishes these guy’s walk rates. Which makes guys like Volquez, Morrow, Harden, Liriano, etc… look better
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by Sandy Kazmir on Feb 27, 2012 11:11 AM EST up reply actions
That would help, so could K/BB
Would be interested to hear what others think (holy shit, did I just say that?) are the holy trinity of metrics for starting pitchers if you had to pick 3 skills.
by Jason Collette on Feb 27, 2012 11:12 AM EST up reply actions
And if you had to pick two I would go with these two, appreciate this for what it is, not what it isn't.
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by Sandy Kazmir on Feb 27, 2012 11:15 AM EST up reply actions
Not criticizing, love the work
Jason just wonders what a 3rd layer would look like
by Jason Collette on Feb 27, 2012 11:17 AM EST up reply actions
Deadeye wished Jason would quit speaking in the 3rd person
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Absolutely and totally unnecessary to pick on Marisa. You're gone.
On the negative side he did allow a wOBA of .313 to lefties (.256 to righties) while facing more of them (416 v. 358) in a division
that has parks that favor lefties and quite a few really good ones. I mean, heck, even xFIP gets it that he can be a very good pitcher (3.62 v righties), but he has a serious blind spot against lefties which is even more exasperating when you realize that the change is his best pitch. Perhaps they got to the point of spitting on it or it was a sequencing issue, but my expectations will remain tempered until he shows that he can get lefties out on a continual basis. And this is coming from a pretty big fan of the lad, just trying to point out that there is a reason that some of the peripherals and component statistics are saying what they’re saying.
Of course, walking less lefties and striking them out more will help his overall line so we’re kind of saying the same thing.
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by Sandy Kazmir on Feb 27, 2012 10:21 AM EST up reply actions
really strange given how good his change-up is for him to struggle against lefties this much
If he could get that curveball more 11-5 than the 10-3 it is now, that would help somewhat. How often does he throw his hook to lefties?
by Jason Collette on Feb 27, 2012 10:41 AM EST up reply actions
So is Helly going to become the next Matt Cain?
I’d be okay with that. Although even then, you still have to expect some BABIP regression.
The big thing for me with Hellickson is those platoon splits. He’s really only struggled against lefties. His BB and K rates will both look so much better if he can simply be mediocre against lefties.
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by Steve Slowinski on Feb 27, 2012 9:50 AM EST up reply actions
Some, sure
But people are talking .223 to 290-310 range like its gospel. Shields is only starter since 08 to have a BABIP over .290 for this team.
by Jason Collette on Feb 27, 2012 9:52 AM EST up reply actions
But even if you're optimistic, a jump from .223 to the .260-.270 range is pretty large.
But yes, I don’t expect many Rays starters to have BABIPs above .290. And their HR rates will likely be a touch below average as well (thanks Trop).
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by Steve Slowinski on Feb 27, 2012 9:57 AM EST up reply actions
More like the next Weaver or out of the league
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by Sandy Kazmir on Feb 27, 2012 10:28 AM EST up reply actions
Chris Mason'd
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Absolutely and totally unnecessary to pick on Marisa. You're gone.
Luke Bailey got the love on the Up & In podcast
Nevin better watch out
by Jason Collette on Feb 27, 2012 11:47 AM EST up reply actions
Also mentioning Mark Thomas, who's sort of the new Nevin in a way.
by R.J. Anderson on Feb 27, 2012 11:47 AM EST up reply actions
Yea I've been noticing that
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by FreeZorilla on Feb 27, 2012 11:48 AM EST up reply actions
That type of red meat leads to subscriber growth
Congrats to the Ashleys who just had a baby
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by FreeZorilla on Feb 27, 2012 11:48 AM EST up reply actions
small world (kinda humblebrag)
A sales rep told me a story while in Texas last week that he and his wife are friends with someone, “Get this..named Ashley Ashley!” The husband’s name was not Nevin so the story ends there.
by Jason Collette on Feb 27, 2012 11:52 AM EST up reply actions
Cool story bro.
WOULD HAVE WOULD HAVE
If you lived closer I would have kicked the snot out of you by now
Matt Moore. That is all.
by joeybw
Now the Rays can re-draft him!
I put the screw IN THE TUNA!
by Transplanted on Feb 27, 2012 12:19 PM EST up reply actions
I was hoping they could re-draft Michael Lorenzen, too. But I forgot he's only a sophomore.
by R.J. Anderson on Feb 27, 2012 12:20 PM EST up reply actions
Need someone for 2013
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by Transplanted on Feb 27, 2012 12:22 PM EST up reply actions
The new inefficiency
Draft Standford commitments, don’t sign them, get the pick back, and fix the same guy drafted in a later round. Two first rounders for the price of one.
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by FreeZorilla on Feb 27, 2012 12:22 PM EST up reply actions
Refresh my memory; did Chirino's go to Standford?
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by FreeZorilla on Feb 27, 2012 12:30 PM EST up reply actions
He went there along with John Lackey's UCL.
They were in a class together taught by Marquis Fleming and Alex Cobb, who were later traded to Colombia for Starlin Castro.
by R.J. Anderson on Feb 27, 2012 12:32 PM EST up reply actions
Aaah what could of been
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by FreeZorilla on Feb 27, 2012 12:39 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
The Rays already tried Jason Standridge
Vroom vroom party starter
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by Imperialism32 on Feb 27, 2012 2:13 PM EST up reply actions
Stanridge
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by mr. maniac on Jan 24, 2012 12:46 PM EST
"Please break your typewriter and computer and never come out of your ass cave again" [referring to predominantly minority neighborhoods in St. Petersburg]
Yeah, just the first time I've seen a prospect analyst say it.
by R.J. Anderson on Feb 27, 2012 12:32 PM EST up reply actions
Appel had a good weekend.
Figures right after that writeup gets posted he goes and strikes out 10.
by R.J. Anderson on Feb 27, 2012 12:34 PM EST up reply actions
Read somewhere that he's going to fall out of the first round.
by PriceMultiCyYoungs on Feb 27, 2012 4:18 PM EST up reply actions
He looks thicker to me this year than he did before--less like a shortstop.
If you take the swing issues and his defensive woes at short, I think there’s a good chance he slides.
by R.J. Anderson on Feb 27, 2012 4:57 PM EST up reply actions
What if Matt Moore were a free agent?
http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=16114
Someone threw out an 8/144 offer
by Jason Collette on Feb 27, 2012 12:35 PM EST reply actions
Wonder what A-Rod would get if he was a 19yo under those rules
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by Transplanted on Feb 27, 2012 12:45 PM EST up reply actions
Is that a Joke? Cliff Lee wasn't offered that much. CC Sabathia's the only pitcher who's ever gotten that much
by benderbrodriguez on Feb 27, 2012 12:52 PM EST up reply actions
Came from a front office type according to the article
by Jason Collette on Feb 27, 2012 12:53 PM EST up reply actions
Ahh, the illustrious "front office type" last spotted jerking off the Samsquantch
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by Sandy Kazmir on Feb 27, 2012 12:53 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
To be fair:
Average offer: Six years, $83 million
Some offers are more bombastic than others.
by R.J. Anderson on Feb 27, 2012 12:54 PM EST up reply actions
Any idea of the low end?
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by FreeZorilla on Feb 27, 2012 12:55 PM EST up reply actions
There is this though:
In addition, Moore’s position worked against him in the open market, at least in comparison to the two outfielders. For Harper and Trout, insiders split into two camps: those looking at a five or six-year deal in the neighborhood of $80 million and those looking to go a decade or more, well exceeding nine figures. For Moore, no team was willing to commit to a deal that long, but he often had the best deal in terms of annual salary.
by R.J. Anderson on Feb 27, 2012 12:58 PM EST up reply actions
Not surprising since he is a pitcher.
WOULD HAVE WOULD HAVE
If you lived closer I would have kicked the snot out of you by now
Matt Moore. That is all.
by joeybw
Joe Maddon is the best manager in baseball
His use of stats is wonderful, and players like him more than anyone else
by benderbrodriguez on Feb 27, 2012 12:44 PM EST reply actions
Not enough "I" in this post.
Should say, " I told Lee that he needs to hope he makes it at baseball….because I think his singing career may never take off
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Absolutely and totally unnecessary to pick on Marisa. You're gone.
"I told Lee, after watching the video with my good friend Quincy Jones at Michael Jackson's house a few years ago..."
WOULD HAVE WOULD HAVE
If you lived closer I would have kicked the snot out of you by now
Matt Moore. That is all.
by joeybw
I hang out with Prince when I go to Minnesota
Only the best
by Jason Collette on Feb 27, 2012 4:14 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, 14 strikeouts in late August.
Lots of strikeouts looking on his fastball.
by R.J. Anderson on Feb 27, 2012 4:08 PM EST up reply actions
Here's a four-seamer for further comparison:

by R.J. Anderson on Feb 27, 2012 4:09 PM EST up reply actions
Wonder how it all looks on an outing where he has one of his lesser games
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when he was smoking the reefer no doubt
by rglass44 on Feb 27, 2012 4:11 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
To think he pitched that game while his heart was yearning to be closer to Astro, amazing.
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No wonder Bautista looked so bad, who could see through that mess?
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not old enough. looks too high tech to be the original RBI
by PriceMultiCyYoungs on Feb 27, 2012 4:25 PM EST up reply actions
what baseball looked like on the computer when I was in HS
by Jason Collette on Feb 27, 2012 4:27 PM EST up reply actions
I only enjoy baseball games with Damon as a black man.
WOULD HAVE WOULD HAVE
If you lived closer I would have kicked the snot out of you by now
Matt Moore. That is all.
by joeybw
lol
forgot about that one. Good stuff.
by PriceMultiCyYoungs on Feb 27, 2012 4:12 PM EST up reply actions
I started watching a start he had against Boston but I didn't see much in terms of secondary offerings.
So I just went and found a start where he threw his change a lot.
by R.J. Anderson on Feb 27, 2012 4:12 PM EST up reply actions
I love that he has some Randy Johnson in him. Strikes a guy out on four pitches then swears to himself on the way back to the dugout.
by PriceMultiCyYoungs on Feb 27, 2012 4:11 PM EST up reply actions
Gets you excited?!
WOULD HAVE WOULD HAVE
If you lived closer I would have kicked the snot out of you by now
Matt Moore. That is all.
by joeybw
Can't grip the ball as well after having some munchies.
WOULD HAVE WOULD HAVE
If you lived closer I would have kicked the snot out of you by now
Matt Moore. That is all.
by joeybw
"What should I twitpic Astro doing after the game?"
WOULD HAVE WOULD HAVE
If you lived closer I would have kicked the snot out of you by now
Matt Moore. That is all.
by joeybw
Reminds me of riding the bus when I was a kid, the wiper blades would be set to different cycles, but every so often they would be in sync if only for a time or two
then it was back to being of less use.
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by Sandy Kazmir on Feb 27, 2012 4:18 PM EST up reply actions
Oh man, so good. That's better than I remember his change looking.
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by Steve Slowinski on Feb 28, 2012 12:07 AM EST up reply actions
Hot damn DRB is a better place with R.J. and FZ are regular commenters.
/wipes chin
by PriceMultiCyYoungs on Feb 27, 2012 4:10 PM EST reply actions
This is awesome
by BossmanJunior333 on Feb 27, 2012 5:39 PM EST via mobile reply actions
i didn't realize that was supposed to be a burn until the "prick" at the end
best city best team best fans best blogs
9 recs.
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by mr. maniac on Jan 24, 2012 12:46 PM EST
"Please break your typewriter and computer and never come out of your ass cave again" [referring to predominantly minority neighborhoods in St. Petersburg]
Our culture is sick!
We cheer on the destructive habits of our celebrities until it’s too late. I find it disgraceful to applaud Joe for his problems so soon after Whitney’s death.
i support casual racism
by Boddington on Sep 19, 2011 6:10 PM PDT up reply actions
I literally wish I had killed myself on the train station after I got laid off
by Sean O on Sep 28, 2011 7:49 PM PDT
I want a BUC'N criminal investigation.
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