Early Spring Training Impressions
For those that didn't know, I spent a couple of days last week down in Port Charlotte catching Rays' spring training.
There wasn't a lot going on. A lot of stretching, throwing and conditioning work. Perhaps not the most interesting stuff to most people. It wasn't really to me either, but it provided me a great opportunity to play around with my new fancy camera.
If you haven't checked out all of the photos I took, the links to the galleries on my FaceBook page are here, here, here.....and here.
Some photos are better than others, but a professional photographer I am not....yet.
I focused on talking to and watching the guys who are in camp as non-roster invitees or are on the bubble for making the squad, because my goal on Rays Digest this season is to cover the minor leagues. In that vein, the majority of the notes after the jump are on guys who likely won't break camp with the team, but who very well may get their opportunities later on the year.
Jose Molina: A lot of articles have been written the past week about Molina's presence in camp including a fine one here on DRays Bay by mr. maniac on how he might help potential back-up Robinson Chirinos and one written by Chris Girandola on Rays Digest. So at the risk of beating a dead horse...Molina is going to make a HUGE impact on this team.
He definitely stood out on an otherwise uneventful first day of workouts. I saw Matt Bush, Jeff Niemann and James Shields throw bullpens to him and he was coaching, encouraging - and at times - even chiding all of them. And they were listening.
A lot has been discussed on this site and others about his framing ability, but it is still worth mentioning that not only does Pitch/fx data show that he is a master at it, but the pitchers themselves can tell the difference Molina makes behind the dish....even in bullpens.
Consider the following quote from Matt Bush (who I'll talk about in a moment):
""I could definitely tell. His body position and the way he kind of surrounds the plate - even though he’s setting up away - it’s almost like even if you don’t hit that spot you can tell that you’re going to get calls because of the way he positions himself. Where he wants the ball - if you hit it there - his glove doesn’t move. You can definitely tell that he has been doing it for a very long time."
So we all know that he can frame pitches and that that very well may be his biggest asset behind the plate, but it his approach to catching and his willingness and desire to teach and mentor that I believe are even more important.
Robinson Chirinos was literally gushing about the opportunity to work with Molina and called it "a gift".
Joe Maddon called him "a technician" who "takes his craft very seriously."
And there were plenty of others that raved about him as well including Shields and Niemann. And I don't think any of these comments were your standard "party-line" quotes.
The upgrading of the offense and bullpen may have gotten the most attention this off-season, but the under-the-radar signing of Molina is just the kind of Friedmanesque move that could be the deal-breaker in how much this team truly improves in 2012.
It is pretty impressive that one player can stand out so much when essentially all the players were doing was just conditioning and drills....but Molina did just that.
Horse beaten.
Matt Bush: First off...Matt Bush throws VERY hard. I knew this, but had never seen him live. Even though it was just a bullpen and there was no radar gun, his velocity was impressive just to the naked eye. I also saw him throw some nasty breaking pitches as well. (It's worth mentioning that on the the first day of camp, media members were allowed to stand along the right-field wall of one of the fields that offered a clear view of the bullpen area. The next day that area was off-limits and my personal feeling is that the media the day before had seen or heard a little too much of Molina working with the pitchers. You could hear him very clearly.)
It was my interview with Bush after workouts though that stood out.
Forget whatever you have seen or read about him with his previous franchises (Padres and Blue Jays), Bush is not the entitled and immature guy he was then. He is genuinely humble and soft-spoken and I literally left the clubhouse saying to myself: "That was Matt Bush?"
Of course for all I know it was a show for the media, but by all accounts his off-field issues and problems with booze are behind him and six years have past since he was the number-one-overall pick with the Padres. The guy I talked to was happy to be in big league camp and even mentioned that AAA Durham would be just fine with him to start the season as "it's as far as I've ever been."
Matt Bush sounded to me like a guy who has turned the corner personally and has been humbled by his past experiences. People DO change and I believe Matt Bush is a guy who has.
For what it's worth I can very easily see him and Lenny Linsky at the back-end of the Rays bullpen in a few years.
Will Rhymes: I have a full-feature planned on Rhymes for Rays Digest either today or tomorrow. But he told me that the deciding factor in his signing a minor league deal with the Rays was their "merit-based" approach. In other words, the fact that guys like Carlos Pena and Casey Kotchman have come to the franchise on minor league deals and then ended up not only being regulars, but key contributors to play-off teams, was not lost on him.
It remains to be seen if Rhymes will see any time with the big club in 2012, but I think it is interesting to note that the word is out in the league on the Rays and the opportunities that can exist for players coming to Tampa Bay.
Alex Torres: Torres's career minor league walk rate is troubling (5.0 BB/9) and his command is seemingly the last hurdle for him to clear to become a dominant major league hurler.
For what it's worth - Torres told me that he worked on his release point extensively in the off-season and that his goal this season is to cut down on his walks because "they killed me the last couple of years. If I do that, I think I should be fine."
Torres is on the outside-looking-in at a spot on the Rays Opening Day pitching staff, but he also re-iterated that he is fine pitching in any role saying: "I'm gonna be there. Any situation, any day, any inning, I'm gonna be available for that situation."
Torres seems destined to start the year in Durham, but he figures prominently in the team's future plans and any efforts on his part to improve his command should be viewed as a good sign. Let's just see of he can actually do it.
Matt Joyce and Luke Scott: Two left-handed swinging outfielders who are key components of this season's offense. I'm just going to let the following picture speak for itself. But let's just say the two spent about 10 minutes comparing notes on their swings....with Scott doing most of the talking.
Tim Beckham: I'd be remiss if I didn't report on Tim Beckham. I've never seen so many varying opinions on a player's future outlook and I'll be willing to bet a buck that somebody says something about him in the comment section.
Unfortunately, I didn't see much.
He is a crappy first baseman...I can tell you that much. The position players were working out on their own and when I was there neither Carlos Pena or Juan Miranda was in camp yet, so the guys were all taking turns taking throws at first. Beckham missed every throw in the dirt that came his way. Not mind-blowing reporting I know...but it's all I got.
He did however give Rays Digest writer Chris Girandola a fist-bump and bro hug and said "thanks for the love" in the clubhouse. This no doubt refers to Chris's article on him last week.
I mention this because it's pretty obvious Beckham reads stuff that is written about him (as I'm sure a lot of players do) and apparently approved of the piece.
I'll say this once again for all of the detractors...the jury is till out on Beckham. I think we have all analyzed him to death. If he lays an egg at Durham this year, then maybe it will be time to pull the plug. MAYBE.
But for the love of God...what do people want to see from him? A 21-year old Alex Rodriguez? Not gonna happen. But the tools are there and players develop at different rates and I for one hope that he finally puts it all together and becomes a star.
Fernando Rodney: He has personality. At the end of his run around the complex he was doing kung-fu moves and karate chops. Therefore I have already dubbed him Fernando "Kung-Fu" Rodney and hope the name sticks. I didn't see his bullpen session, but Maddon and Hickey like what they saw apparently.
Some other notes: Sam Fuld claims that he can touch the rim on a basketball hoop (he is generously listed at 5'8" so that's some hops) and dunk a tennis ball. He also said that Grantland approached him about writing his now legendary piece for them.
There were about 100 or so fans there and most players spent time signing after the workouts. So if you are an autograph hound, it might be worth the trip down to Port Charlotte to snag some.
If you go....wear sunscreen. It wasn't hot, but my huge forehead is currently peeling from the sunburn I got.
I also spoke with Matt Mangini, Jhonny Nunez, Chris Gimenez and Josh Lueke. I'll have stories on them on Rays Digest this week. So you'll have to wait for news on them (from me anyways). I will say that Gimenez has a very engaging personality and that Matt Mangini talked a lot about cigars.
One last note on a player and this isn't so much a scouting report as it is a gut feeling.
EVERYONE I have talked to about Stephen Vogt - players, coaches, broadcasters - simply loves the guy.
I love him too. I can't for the life of me figure out why more analysts don't talk about him and the role he could play for the Rays in the very near future. He has hit at every level he has been at and although he isn't going to win any Gold Glove awards, has the positional flexibility that the Rays place a premium on.
I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that he plays at the Trop sometime this season and turns some heads. This isn't based on any sort of statistical analysis or reasoned argument - so feel free to fire away - but on good-old- fashioned instinct. We'll see I guess.
But they spelled his name wrong above his locker (Steven instead of Stephen) and when I asked him about it...he shrugged it off.
The guy doesn't even get enough respect from the guy who makes the nameplates.
Come on man! At least spell the guy's name right!
Geesh!
I leave you with a shot of Dane De La Rosa and his awesome mohawk....
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He on that Manny juice.
WOULD HAVE WOULD HAVE
If you lived closer I would have kicked the snot out of you by now
Matt Moore. That is all.
by joeybw
I was going to mention his size
I saw him in Busch Gardens a few weeks ago and he looked bigger to me, has anyone heard or noticed anything about his off season workouts. If he can blossom into a 30 HR guy we will have a very beefy middle of the order
by Dbullsfan on Feb 27, 2012 10:31 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
If joyce improves against lhp and gets more pa's I think that is very possible
Even so, I think 25 this season isnt crazy
by BossmanJunior333 on Feb 27, 2012 11:07 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
According to homeruntracker
74% of Joyce’s homers were either plenty or no doubters, so Joyce didnt get many cheap homers last year. By comparison, of asdrubal cabrera’s 25 hr, 56% were just enough, while joyce had just 26%. I think its safe to say, if joyce could get some more cheap homers, he could easily hit 25+.
by BossmanJunior333 on Feb 28, 2012 2:01 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Has anyone ever done a study on the predictive value of "just enoughs" or "no doubters"
Obviously my gut would tell me a guy with more “no doubters” would have more pure power, but at the same time a lot of this is park dependent. A “no doubter” at NYS could be “just enough” here, so I’m not so sure how much stock to put in those numbers.
by GomesSweetGomes on Feb 28, 2012 8:23 AM EST up reply actions
Those tags refer to the average park, I believe, as it ties in with the "# of parks" that it would have been out of tag all the way to the right
I got away from the one thing that kept me on the straight and narrow, and that was my relationship with the Lord
by Sandy Kazmir on Feb 28, 2012 9:39 AM EST up reply actions
Thanks.
I am going to be at quite a few minor league spring training games in the next few weeks…so I hope to do more pieces like this in the future but with even more of a slant towards the minors.
"I don't believe in just being out there and just grinding away. Let's do it intelligently, let's do it quickly, let's get it done. And then move on." ----Joe Maddon
Minor league games are free and open to the public.
The team doesn’t issue media creds for the games.
"I don't believe in just being out there and just grinding away. Let's do it intelligently, let's do it quickly, let's get it done. And then move on." ----Joe Maddon
How bad of a defender is Vogt?
My attitude in the community prospect threads to him hasn’t quite been positive. I feel like he can hit .260-.300 at the big league level with a .280/.320/.415 line. My issues are his on base ability and his defense.
Can he be solid(or a little below average) at any position besides 1B? If he can, I would have been voting for him earlier. But if he can’t, then he just doesn’t stand out on a statistical level.
By all reports he is passable defensively.
As far as his walk rates go….there may be a partial explanation for 2011 anyways.
he told me the following in an interview last winter: “This season, in 2011, I had to learn how to be more aggressive. I’ve always been pretty patient. But that’s the reason why this season my walk numbers were down, because I was in the process of learning how to be more aggressive and being ready to hit that first really good fastball I saw. So that was something that was different this year and that was definitely a change. I think that’s the biggest difference. You have to be willing to make adjustments along the way and not think "I’ve got it all figured out".”
"I don't believe in just being out there and just grinding away. Let's do it intelligently, let's do it quickly, let's get it done. And then move on." ----Joe Maddon
As a fellow Stephen, I can commiserate with Vogt. People rarely get it right.
I love Casey Fossum. Now try and take me seriously.
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by Steve Slowinski on Feb 27, 2012 2:56 PM EST reply actions
Thats the ultimate dissrespect
You misspelled your own screen name
by BossmanJunior333 on Feb 27, 2012 3:19 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
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by FreeZorilla on Feb 27, 2012 4:08 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I really hope the Rays get good results out of Bush at the Major League Level
Not just for his own sake, but as a confirmation of what this front office has done in terms of giving people (Hamilton, Dukes) second chances to get thier lives straight. Just because you don’t always reap the rewards of a process doesn’t mean it isnt the right thing to do.
by GomesSweetGomes on Feb 27, 2012 3:25 PM EST reply actions
All jokes aside
Very good read, love hearing from someone who is actually there. And for once, a Gregg article that isnt insider’d ha
by BossmanJunior333 on Feb 27, 2012 7:12 PM EST via mobile reply actions
I really hope Molina stays healthy.
If he can play half the games (including all of Hellickson’s), he’s going to be so money.
Cherington has taken off his pants and he’s shitting all over my hopes for 2012
by TheLoneDavid on Jan 10, 2012 12:31 PM CST
The pitchers will be fighting over Jose
Moore and Helly have had great results with the two young catchers but Molina will lift them higher.
Looked through the photos
- I was thinking of a good comp for Chris Archer and Neftali Feliz popped into my head. Almost identical build, similar k% and bb% minor league numbers, high 90s fastball and amazing slider, lack of third pitch and control issues. Does this seem pretty spot on?
- love luke scott beard
- joyce and longo look jacked
- rodney looks like a lot of fun
- really excited about Bush
- love the old woman wearing the bangkok shirt
by BossmanJunior333 on Feb 28, 2012 1:12 AM EST via mobile reply actions
Neftail Feliz is very little like Archer
Feliz has exceptional command
by benderbrodriguez on Feb 28, 2012 12:02 PM EST up reply actions
Im looking at minor league numbers when feluz was still a starter
Minor league BB%
Archer: AAA 10.9%, AA 13.1%, A+ 8.7%, A 15.1%
Feliz: AAA 9.3%, AA 12.4%, A 8.6%, A- 16.9%
by BossmanJunior333 on Feb 28, 2012 2:34 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Other comparisons...
All at same respective levels referrenced above (half of Feliz’s AAA and all of A- numbers were in relief)
CA K%: 21.8, 21, 27.4, 25.7
NF K%: 23.2, 25.4, 32.7, 38
CA HR/9: 0, 0.6, 0.5, 0
NF HR/9: 0.23, 0.2, 0.22, 1.2
CA BAA: .225, .240, .200, .200
NF BAA: .238, .213, .190, .224
Both born in 1988, 6’3, similar build. I also didnt realize how good both are at limiting the home run ball. Other than some argument about who has the better slider or fastball (plus pitches for both), I have hard time finding many dissimilarities. however….i guess you could argue feliz has some pretty good secondary pitches now (change up and cutter) but I dont know good those pitches were in the minors nor do I know how good Archers offspeed pitches are developing.
by BossmanJunior333 on Feb 28, 2012 3:46 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Feliz has been slightly better as a reliever
8.8 bb% in the majors but up to 11.9% last season.
Either way, im pretty happy with that comp for Archer.
by BossmanJunior333 on Feb 28, 2012 11:29 PM EST via mobile up reply actions

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