The Rays Tank: Edwin Jackson Signed; Rays Chances Of A Trade Shrinking
The Washington Nationals signed Edwin Jackson to a one year, ~$10 million deal yesterday, but despite that fact, it doesn't look like the pitching market is in any better shape. Roy Oswalt is still on the market -- and apparently trying his darndest not to end up with the Red Sox -- and the Nationals now are trying to trade John Lannan, since Jackson made him expendable and expensive.
In other words, I wouldn't count on the Rays being able to pull off a trade at this point. It's the beginning of February, and most teams have already filled their major holes by this point. Jackson got squeezed by the limited market, and it appears that's happening to Oswalt now too. If teams aren't willing to pay a bit of money to acquire a pitcher with plenty of upside, why would they give up an asset for Davis or Niemann?
It looks like we'd better start getting used to the idea of starting the season with six starters. If the Rays haven't received good enough offers yet to make a deal worthwhile, I can't imagine the current market will improve matters any. We may have to wait this one out.
- Everyone's going to talk about it anyway, so yes, Josh Hamilton was spotted at a bar last night, and it appears he's had a relapse. This likely will have repercussions in his contract negotiations with the Rangers, but please, don't use this as an excuse to tarnish the guy or moralize. We all have weak, regrettable moments in our lives, but luckily, most of us don't have those moments gossiped about in public. Addiction is a constant struggle, and sometimes, we're not always as strong as we wish we could be.
- In preparation for Tino Martinez's induction into the Ted Williams Hall of Fame tonight, the Times has a fun article up on Tino's career. I don't know exactly why, but I always liked Tino -- he seemed like such the quintessential good guy.
Also, Erik and Mr. Neg will be at the induction ceremony tonight, so we'll have some coverage of the event for you to enjoy. The induction is happening at the David Price Dinner and Friends charity event, and a handful of Rays players are expected to be there.
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Chances of a trade for SP shrinking? I doubt it.
When aren’t teams looking for pitching?
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by sternfan1 on Feb 3, 2012 8:50 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
This.
I don’t think they would go into the season with 6 starters. I’m seriously concerned that Moore would start the year in the minors.
I'm starting to fear the same thing.
But I just can’t imagine they’d waste innings of his in Durham. More likely then: six man rotation out of the gate, Davis to the pen or Moore to Durham? Davis to the pen gets my uninformed vote.
Eh, how often has there been this much good pitching available this late in the offseason?
I’m looking back in past offseasons and I’m not seeing many comps. Oswalt, Lannan, Davis/Niemann, and McClellan are all theoretically on the block, and there aren’t that many teams in need of pitching. Heck, the team with the biggest need for pitching is the Red Sox, and the Rays can’t deal with them.
I just think the market hasn’t panned out this offseason like the Rays were hoping, especially considering they like to have the most highly sought commodity and raise the price up. They’re not going to force a trade just to force a trade.
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by Steve Slowinski on Feb 3, 2012 9:31 AM EST up reply actions
Problem was non-contenders selling off their young controllable starters, which was unforeseen
Latos, Cahill, Gio filled up the needs of those who would have wanted Niemann or Davis.
Oswalt is a different animal
Davis is a young cost controlled arm. There is always demand for that. Oswalts market is much more limited.
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by FreeZorilla on Feb 3, 2012 10:10 AM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
and only 1 year deals going around
Jackson in many years would have gotten multi-year deal. And mainly it’s about money. It has all but dried up. Neither Davis/Niemann make tons of cash. They have value.
by raysfaninminnesota on Feb 3, 2012 10:13 AM EST up reply actions
Especially when you factor in that he doesn't want to go to a hitter's park
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by Sandy Kazmir on Feb 3, 2012 10:35 AM EST up reply actions
yup.
just because teams don’t want to increase their 2012 payroll doesn’t mean they won’t trade.
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Steve, the front page is calling……
by mr. maniac on Jan 24, 2012 12:46 PM EST
"Please break your typewriter and computer and never come out of your ass cave again"
What am I missing?
EJ is a more than serviceable major league arm. He’s played for half the league the last few years, and now he gets a very modest offer. The Sox we’re rolling out Wakefield and bunch of bums in a pennant race five months ago. How is EJ not an upgrade for them? He must be a raging a-hole or something; I don’t get the lack of love for the guy.
Steve, well said on Hamilton...
This Deadspin/TMZ era can be highly entertaining, but there are times where it seems people take pleasure in the failures of others a bit too much.
by td32 on Feb 3, 2012 9:24 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
Yeah.
I don’t enjoy ragging on a guy who has clearly made an effort to turn things around. On the other hand, I’m tired of those who will continue to say that he is a hero and that his life in now perfect. Give the guy mercy, but mercy is not portraying a guy as a hero.
But how great were those pictures from the last time he fell off the wagon.
Man knows how to party; I’ll give him that. But I agree, of course, tough when folks are just waiting to publicize any slip.
I like this take. Yeah, it's regrettable he was turned into this giant hero.
Because everyone’s human, and that puts a ton of extra pressure on his shoulders.
Also, thanks td….definitely agree.
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by Steve Slowinski on Feb 3, 2012 9:37 AM EST up reply actions
Bravo
Find the center rather than overcompensating for an extreme position
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by FreeZorilla on Feb 3, 2012 10:12 AM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
i wonder to what degree he was canonized by the media due to his religious rebirth?
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Steve, the front page is calling……
by mr. maniac on Jan 24, 2012 12:46 PM EST
"Please break your typewriter and computer and never come out of your ass cave again"
Just imagine if Tebow got caught doing blow
The world would go mad. Josh Hamilton is one strike away from ending his baseball career, I dont personally root for the guy, but I dont want to see anyone’s career end like that
by RaysOfHope on Feb 3, 2012 10:27 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Not true
As long as Hamilton continues to perform, he can get away with whatever the hell he wants off the field
by benderbrodriguez on Feb 3, 2012 3:38 PM EST up reply actions
Maybe he should fall off a railing on to his head so that they'll build a statue of him
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by Sandy Kazmir on Feb 3, 2012 10:36 AM EST up reply actions
In the article that broke it there was definitely a reference to that as a "personal tragedy" experienced by Hambone.
And that he’s “developed a relationship” with the family. Seriously the biggest crock of shit I’ve ever heard.
He's a charlatan that will say or do anything in public to affirm that he's a saint
Guy should be thrown in jail
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by Sandy Kazmir on Feb 3, 2012 10:57 AM EST up reply actions
6 man rotation
Why not ease all the starters into this year with a 6 man rotation and let Davis and Neiman build their trade values. They did it for a couple weeks last year and I know they are always looking at ways to limit innings on their starters. What are the chances of this going down?
With all the scheduled off days in addition to weather
by Moore Guerreri and Cheese on Feb 3, 2012 9:41 AM EST up reply actions
day in early season, I don`t think a 6 man rotation has much value.
by Moore Guerreri and Cheese on Feb 3, 2012 9:42 AM EST up reply actions
I can't see running Davis out there when you have a fully-rested Shield or Price ready to go.
Nothing inherently wrong with a sixer. Just that the marginal difference between Davis and our number one is too great a sacrifice to make for any length of time.
This
Some teams start off with 4 man rotations because of the early schedule
by RaysOfHope on Feb 3, 2012 10:31 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Patience, patience
Oswalt will sign somewhere (or retire) before ST. Inevitably, some starters will have arm problems in ST or early in the season, and when that happens, the Rays will be a primary option for replacements. A 6-man rotation, if it happens, likely won’t last long, but if it does, so what? The idea that extra early-season rest is harmful to a pitcher and that pitchers need to go every 5th or 6th day to be effective is just another old-time baseball myth that the Rays, if any team, should be willing to ignore if their situation calls for it.
Besides, IIRC, Shields pitched a LOT of innings last season, Davis faded in the last half, and Price had some less-than-stellar late season starts. Lightening their early-season loads isn’t a bad idea.
I wouldn't be shocked if we traded a pitcher at the deadline.
But Matt Adams is still in the back of my mind…though I’d rather see us trade for a catcher.
joeybw, on why he was banned for half a day:
"Might of been grammar I keep getting that "would have" thing wrong
Not on purpose, mods, wish it was….."
Classic.
I wonder if the Indians would trade LaPorta, now
He’s got an option remaining.
Do we have room for him?
joeybw, on why he was banned for half a day:
"Might of been grammar I keep getting that "would have" thing wrong
Not on purpose, mods, wish it was….."
Classic.
by sc_monsta1015 on Feb 3, 2012 10:28 AM EST up reply actions
Unless you mean just trade him in general.
joeybw, on why he was banned for half a day:
"Might of been grammar I keep getting that "would have" thing wrong
Not on purpose, mods, wish it was….."
Classic.
by sc_monsta1015 on Feb 3, 2012 10:29 AM EST up reply actions
the Rays are going to have to bump Elliot Johnson off the 40-man roster anyway
no room for him on the major-league squad, but there’s no room for him in Cleveland now, either.
by AndrewTorrez on Feb 3, 2012 10:33 AM EST up reply actions
yup
joeybw, on why he was banned for half a day:
"Might of been grammar I keep getting that "would have" thing wrong
Not on purpose, mods, wish it was….."
Classic.
by sc_monsta1015 on Feb 3, 2012 10:35 AM EST up reply actions
He doesnt really have much trade value
We could get him on the cheap probably
by RaysOfHope on Feb 3, 2012 10:28 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
What's with sticking up for Hambone? If he had been a man and honored his contract while with the Rays then maybe they have a World Series banner or two
I don’t feel sorry for him and I hope he ends up where he belongs, bent over in front of Bubba.
I got away from the one thing that kept me on the straight and narrow, and that was my relationship with the Lord
One could make a serious case that Hamilton murdered a man.
All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing. In other words, in a moral society, we shouldn’t rely on the Bubbas of the world to rape people like Josh Hamilton.
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by Boddington on Sep 19, 2011 6:10 PM PDT up reply actions
I literally wish I had killed myself on the train station after I got laid off
by Sean O on Sep 28, 2011 7:49 PM PDT
I want a BUC'N criminal investigation.
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by internet commenter on Feb 3, 2012 5:53 PM EST up reply actions
"even"
:can barely read: :look for the drunkest, sloppiest guy there waving his penis at D. Price:
I got away from the one thing that kept me on the straight and narrow, and that was my relationship with the Lord
by Sandy Kazmir on Feb 3, 2012 11:10 AM EST up reply actions
Hamilton
I don’t see what the big deal is. So the guy had a few drinks for the first time in a while, so what? It’s not like he was seen doing heroin or anything
by benderbrodriguez on Feb 3, 2012 3:46 PM EST reply actions
It seem kinda weird
Ah well, Ron Washington can be his babysitter in the interim
(Ron Washington should not be his babysitter)
Last time he relapsed he allegedly asked the bar owner to get him some blow, so it's kind of a big deal.
He's gotten a lot more discreet since then, the only relapse was his lack of judgement in going through an unsecure source
I got away from the one thing that kept me on the straight and narrow, and that was my relationship with the Lord
This was before.
Mr Neg saw them. He can attest to their grouchiness.
Though he didn’t get to hear their Kotch/Upton thoughts.




























