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Segregation-Era Baseball Records Need Asterisk

DeWayne Wickham on Tuesday wrote an op-ed piece for USA Today that I wholeheartedly agree with, and the matter is so important to me that I felt it deserved more than just a diary. Wickham writes that the indictment of Barry Bonds last week on perjury and obstruction of justice charges re-kindled a discussion of the infamous asterisk debate regarding his records. Bonds was, of course, indicted for lying in grand jury testimony he gave regarding his use of steroids during his playing career. Many argue that the federal indictment of Bonds means that the feds have come up with sufficient evidence that can prove beyond a reasonable doubt that Bonds used steroids, and thus had an unfair competitive advantage which produced illegitimate records.

Now, I'm not really going to delve too deep into that bag of worms. Do I think that Barry Bonds used steroids? Absolutely. I think that at this point, only the real Bonds zealots would deny that. And it is very plainly obvious that anabolic steroids give you a competitive advantage, a competitive advantage that is in this case, illegal in baseball. That is, to some degree, cheating. However where I depart the train away from the steadfast Bonds critics is how to treat this information. I am of the opinion that Barry Bonds is one of the most talented baseball players of all-time, and that he would likely still have numbers right now that would rank among the game's best were he not using steroids.

However I am not sure exactly how to quantify the benefit Bonds derived from steroid use, and I believe that no one else can either. We can continue to pile on Bonds as part of some McCarthyistic witch hunt if it makes us feel better, but it isn't particularly productive and it certainly is not a black and white matter. I'm pretty sure that a majority of baseball players from the last 15 years have used some sort of PED during their playing career, be it amphetamines or 'roids. To go after all of those that violated baseball's rules is a quixotic task that will never reach an accurate closure.

Besides, if we want to start punishing culprits from the steroid era, we need to start at the top. Those in the Major League Baseball hierarchy that were complacent with illicit drug use are just as much to blame as those who actually used the PEDs, maybe even more so. Because by not taking any real steps to rectify the course that many baseball stars were on at that point, team officials and MLB officers implied their acceptance of these practices. Actions are the only thing that matters in this scenario, all the self-righteous rhetoric be damned.

So unless we are prepared for a full-blown witch hunt that will target all of the people responsible for the steroid era, both in and outside the clubhouse, we need to just drop it. Because an occasional sanctimonious lynching of one player's career here and there to satisfy the public's blood-lust is not a remotely acceptable path for baseball to follow. If you start punishing Barry Bonds and making arbitrary calls on which of his records matter and which don't, you can't stop there. It is time for baseball fans to stop focusing their attention on pointless re-hashings of the past, and towards holding MLB executives accountable for their actions regarding the future of this matter.

And that brings us back to Mr. Wickham's column in USA Today. A greater injustice in baseball than the steroid crisis is this generation's continued view of the segregated era in baseball with legitimacy. It is true that both the all-white nature of pre-1947 baseball and the effect of steroids on a player are not quantifiable with respect to statistics. But surely the arbitrary exclusion of an entire race (is this ever not arbitrary?) from participation in your sport qualifies as an clearly unfair competitive advantage for those privileged enough to be born white and athletically talented up until the mid-20th century. Aside from the fact that segregation is just one of the most immoral institutions in modern history, it also is a practice that undermines the legitimacy of all statistics in baseball before 1947.

Would Josh Gibson be our all-time home run king had he been allowed to participate for the full length of his career in Major League Baseball? I don't know, but the fact that we won't be able to find out due entirely to the prejudiced collusion of MLB owners is enough for me to say that all pre-1947 records need to have an asterisk afixed next to their respective positions in the baseball record book. It's about fairness.

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Re: Segregation-Era Baseball Records Need Asterisk
Before 1947 it was segregation, during the '50s-70s it was "greenies" (aka amphetamines), and apparently from the 80s-today it has been steroids. As far as I'm concerned, the real beauty of the game is that it has evolved around these challenges so well that the numbers from each generation are so comparable with each other. Each generation of fans is naturally going to grow up believing that theirs was the "right" way to play the game and that there is something wrong or shady with the next one that sees all of those records broken. That's the way it has been for over a century, and scapegoating Barry Bonds (or Jose Canseco, whom most of these anti-steroid blowhards owe a MAJOR apology to, just don't expect it to ever happen) is certainly not going to change it.

Bottom line: Barry Bonds is the Home Run King (and Pete Rose is the Hit King,) and there's not a damn thing MLB can, or should, do about it.

by das411 on Nov 23, 2007 1:30 AM EST reply actions  

Re: Segregation-Era Baseball Records Need Asterisk
Pete Rose is the hit king, and there's nothing that asterisks that mark. But what Rose is guilty of is qualitatively different in an important way. Not one that should affect the recognition of any playing records, but one that definitely affects his HOF placement.

The difference is that Rose's (or any player or coach gambling on games) offense can lead to actively trying to lose or undercompete. This isn't to say PED use (or racism's affect on the sport - admirable second of an underdiscussed issue Patrick!) isn't offensive. But it's hard to argue it's an anti-competitive approach. It's the difference bettween the integrity of the game, and the integrity of an individual player.

by nyyfaninlaaland on Nov 24, 2007 7:45 PM EST up reply actions  

Re: Segregation-Era Baseball Records Need Asterisk
I can go on and on about this but will be brief-this time. Well, relatively brief.
  1. At the time Bonds is believed to have taken steroids, they were not banned in baseball. Many were illegal, as were greenies for example when Mays's generation popped them like candy. (and by the way alcohol and prostitution when Ruth patronizing speakeasies and whorehouses. No comment on how they affected his records.)
  2. Apparently their use was widespread throughout the game, and used as much by pitchers as hitters. The effects were obviously quite different on different people (Sanchez, Lawton) and there is no way to disentangle how they helped or hurt specific players.
  3. If we are going to asterisk records because of changes in conditions, then the first great asterisk has to be Babe Ruth since his career home run title came at the start of the lively ball era. The "real" home run king is the man he displaced. (Was it Roger Conner?) I know the claim is that Bonds had an unfair advantage over contemporaries, not predecessors, but the records relate to previous players as well. In the Ruth case, we know that the new ball increased home runs; there cannot be such certainty with steroids.
  4. The Rose situation is entirely irrelevant to the Bonds case.

by bobr on Nov 23, 2007 6:30 AM EST reply actions  

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Ok, here is one of the longer pieces I have written about this subject. I posted this on another site a few weeks ago.
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The investigation into steroids is a colossal waste of time and money. It is one of the most overblown non-issues in the history of the game.

It could never happen, but in a perfect world, 100s of ballplayers would state the following:

Yes, we experimented with steroids, Tommy John surgery, eyeglasses and contacts, vitamins and supplements and many other techniques to improve our on-field performance. Some of the things we did were illegal, like the greenies and red juice that Willie Mays and his contemporaries used like candy in the 1960s or the stuff they smeared on Koufax's arm to keep it from falling off. Mostly that reflects on the idiocy of our government's drug laws, and in any case the boundaries between legal and illegal were fuzzy enough not to matter.

Until recently, there was no baseball policy regarding the substances we used, nor is there any evidence of how it affects performance. Obviously some people were totally unaffected while others may have benefited. In any case, the main difference between what we did and what the Mays' generation did is that we combined our practice into a full-scale program of training and nutrition while they popped pills simply to feel the effects. Our dedication was far more admirable.

There is no connection between what we did and what Pete Rose did. The error there is to consider these moral lapses, and neither was. If taking steroids is "wrong", it is purely for medical reasons, and if baseball feels an obligation to ban something because it is detrimental to health, fine. That is now the case and anyone who is caught receives a punishment just as he would for fighting or using a corked bat or any other trangression of a baseball rule.

Rose's case is entirely different and irrelevant. There is no moral issue there either unless you have some objections to gambling or can prove he threw games. The issue there is that Rose DID violate a baseball rule and the penalty was clear and well-known. He has to be banned from the game because the rule demanded it, just as if he would be out on 3 strikes or allowed a base on 4 balls. It has nothing to do with whether gambling is right or wrong but with the fact that baseball prohibited it on penalty of expulsion. If you dislike that rule, try to get it repealed, but so long as it is in effect, Rose is out.

We did not cheat. We did the opposite by trying to improve our performance to please paying customers. The cheaters were those, like Ruth, Mantle and myriad others, who took money on false pretences, playing while drunk or hung over or out of shape. Unlike them, we will continue to try to squeeze the most out of our talents and seek whatever edge we can. If we violate baseball rules, we will accept our punishments and move on, but the essence of competition is seeking that edge, and you cannot stop us from doing whatever we can within the rules that exist to attain that goal.

by bobr on Nov 23, 2007 7:49 AM EST reply actions  

Re: Segregation-Era Baseball Records Need Asterisk
There is no question that Wickham has a good point.  But it is irrellevant to Barry Bonds.  What Bonds (and others) did was cheating.  

Just because Barry Bonds has been taken to task to a much larger extent than other cheaters is irrellevant.  They have the goods on Bonds and unless the government has a much weaker case than I suspect, you go after the the guy who can convict.  Let's not make Barry Bonds into some weak defenseless indigent. There is no way to make a case against a man of his means without spending millions of dollars.

Whether it violated the letter of the law in baseball at the time is irrellevant.  I sure don't teach my kids to get away with anything that others get away with or look for loopholes in the law to cheat the system.  Steroid use is serious business and can not be excused.

In an ideal world, you administer justice equally.  In this world, we can not afford to ignore the perpetrators that we have caught in the name of justice.  That isn't equal protection, that's just giving up.

If they throw Bonds to the wolves and then stop the prosecutions that would be a travesty.  But for what Barry Bonds did, and for the sake of every player that did not cheat, he must get thrown to the wolves.

by ttnorm on Nov 23, 2007 7:55 AM EST reply actions  

Re: Segregation-Era Baseball Records Need Asterisk
Let's keep in mind Bonds is being prosecuted for perjury and obstruction, not steroid use. Prosecuting this offense is an attempt to uphold the fundamentals of our justice system. Is there some singling out of Bonds here? On a human level there likely is - the prosecutor could have a career benefit in mind. But the converse is that high profile cases are the more likely to be proseuted in cases like these as they get more attention, thus offering more impact as a generel warning against such behavior.

Think what one will about steroid use and it's impact on baseball history - it was illegal if not overtly against the rules, but baseball does have a general prohibition against illegal behaviors within its rules, so an argument that steroid use was a rules violation by extension is at least tenable. Again, on a human level I can understand the pressure on players to "cheat to compete" - it's less understandable in Bonds' case, and seemingly ego-driven, hence the public's distaste. But I'm not a fan of asterisks, as they are so subjective. Nor am I a fan of the Mark Ecko's of the world - trying to impose their overwrought persona on such things under the cloak of "democracy".

by nyyfaninlaaland on Nov 24, 2007 8:05 PM EST up reply actions  

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Let's not forget Hank Aaron played in the smallest ballparks of his time. Let's just start throowing up asterisks everywhere.

by Jhattenburg on Nov 23, 2007 4:27 PM EST reply actions  

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ttnorm, I agree with much of what you say. You do not defend a person by saying others are getting away with it, and I do not want my children to look for loopholes or weasel their way into avoiding legitimate punishments.

My point is different. The one argument I have heard in condemnation of Bonds that makes sense to me is that by violating federal laws he had an unfair advantage over players who would not take that risk or felt constrained from illegal actions. That is a strong argument, but I do not think it overrides the myriad other factors that should affect our judgment.

Aside from the fact that I am not sure other players' reticence was motivated by ethical considerations, the apparently widespread use of steroids leveled the playing field considerably. But I still accept that the above argument has merit.

What I object to is the confusing of health and moral issues. Laws that penalize criminal activity while under the influence (DUI, for example) may be legitimate. So too are certain types of laws that criminalize sale of dangerous drugs as that is akin to foisting poisons on consumers.

But laws that criminalize the use of drugs, in and of itself a victimless act (except for the person involved), are themselves wrong. I am not advocating civil disobedience on this matter, but I think it should alter our judgments of the people who did use such prohibited substances. And of course, the actual list of such products is so arbitrary and so confusing (many legitimate medications include steroids, for example) that the outrage against players who combined steroid use with nutrition, rigorous workouts and tough programs to develop their skills is, in my view, sanctimonious and wrong-headed.

As for cheating, I disagree absolutely. I realize that there is implicit the assumption that anything illegal is prohibited, but aside from the fact that some substances were not even illegal (Andro?), the lack of enforcement and even active encouragement of their use clearly made such laws moot. They were not prohibited in baseball at the time, so there was no cheating. On the contrary, the players were doing everything within the rules of baseball, to play as well as they could.

by bobr on Nov 23, 2007 4:45 PM EST reply actions  

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