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Boof Coming to Tampa?

I have from a reliable source that Boof Bonser has told people close to him that a deal with him heading to Tampa is imminent.

Okay, here's some more info:
- Boof is in Tampa for a pro-am golf tournament.
- He apparently slipped and told some people that his agent has told him that the Twins and Rays are talking to send him here and that something is close.
- As for potential names the obvious one pops to mind and that's Delmon, if that is the case it would be a package deal.
- Apparently Boof said that Delmon is the Twins' target.

I'm not sure I've ever heard of a player having so much info unless Boof is either [Dukes quote] us or his agent is definitely in on the talks.

For those wondering; Boof is five years from free agency but may qualify for Super Two arbitration. He also shares agents with B.J. Upton - Larry Reynolds.

Another "for those wondering":


Thanks to J.B. Downie

Apparently the Rays aren't discussing the deal - or at least not acknowledging it - who knows if Bonser even knows what the hell is going on at this point.

Also let me state my source was very close to the J.P. Peterson Hot Lunch show, and that's where the information originated from, I fully intend on gathering the tape and proving that this was hardly an "internet rumor".

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Re: Boof Coming to Tampa?
this would be interesting, excited to see exact details of proposal
General Manager Manifesto Matt Bishoff

by Matt Bishoff on Nov 27, 2007 3:08 PM EST   0 recs

Re: Boof Coming to Tampa?
Who would we send for Boof? Rocco?
http://tampabaysportsfanatic.blogspot.com/

by tampabaysportsfanatic on Nov 27, 2007 3:26 PM EST   0 recs

Eh
Bonser wouldn't be a terrible addition, he would give us four solid starters next year in addition to Sonnanstine, Kazmir, and Shields. But I'm not sure if he plays a significant role in our long-term plans beyond that, and he may in fact be blocking a rotation spot at some point from going to a prospect. Nonetheless, I am willing to give the possibility a try if we don't cede the Twins a great deal in return.

by Patrick L. Kennedy on Nov 27, 2007 3:29 PM EST   0 recs

Yuck
Keep Delmon Young off the table here, if Bonser is indeed anchoring a deal.

by Patrick L. Kennedy on Nov 27, 2007 3:30 PM EST   0 recs

Re: Yuck
Gotta agree with PLK, for once.

Unless there's alot more added to Boof, Delmon-for-Bonser is laughable.

However, Boof-Garza-Neshek for Delmon would work

by Jacob Larsen on Nov 27, 2007 3:36 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

Re: Yuck
Boof-Garza-Neshek would be a worse joke than Delmon for Boof straight up.  Even Garza and Neshek together for Delmon would be the Twins severely overpaying.

by Brickhaus on Nov 27, 2007 5:03 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

Re: Boof Coming to Tampa?
Rocco or Gomes for Bonser. And personally, I don't think we should trade Rocco with his value this low.

by Kevin Gengler on Nov 27, 2007 3:35 PM EST   0 recs

Re: Boof Coming to Tampa?
Rocco, with our knowledge(or lack thereof) of his health, for Bonser would actually be a decent trade.

by Jacob Larsen on Nov 27, 2007 3:38 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

Re: Boof Coming to Tampa?
I agree. Rocco is injury-prone and we have enough Outfielders that it is worth it to let him go if we can get some value in return and Boof + rp? would be worth it definitely.
http://tampabaysportsfanatic.blogspot.com/

by tampabaysportsfanatic on Nov 27, 2007 3:42 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

If we could get Rocco for Bonser
That would be a decent deal, since Bonser looks to be a steady No. 4 in most rotations, maybe No. 3 in good years. Rocco is just such a question mark and we can't afford to be passing up reasonable opportunities to jettison him if we get the chance.

by Patrick L. Kennedy on Nov 27, 2007 3:45 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

Re: If we could get Rocco for Bonser
Bonser is more of a backend/bullpen guy for me, based on his career walk numbers.

by Kevin Gengler on Nov 27, 2007 3:46 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

His career walk numbers aren't bad
He has a 2.93 career BB/9, with a 7.42 career K/9. His major problems are with the long ball, which flared up even beyond normal last year. I think he'll rebound to post a mid-4ish ERA next year, which isn't bad for the AL. But he alone isn't worth Delmon Young in any way.

by Patrick L. Kennedy on Nov 27, 2007 3:55 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

Re: His career walk numbers aren't bad
unless it's in a package deal...

Hell, I'd love if we could grab Robertson, Swarzak, Neshek(hey, I can dream), Slowey, Nathan(I realize he's a FA next year) or any of the vast amount of high-upside pitchers that they've got on staff there.

by Jacob Larsen on Nov 27, 2007 3:58 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

Re: His career walk numbers aren't bad
I just saw his minor league BB/9, which is over 4. But I checked his year-by-year and he posted insanely high BB numbers earlier in his career. Looks like something clicked or was fixed between 2002 and 2003.

by Kevin Gengler on Nov 27, 2007 3:58 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

Re: Boof Coming to Tampa?
Since when does anyone trade #3 starters for reserve OF's? You people have way inflated impressions of the value of your guys.

by nyyfaninlaaland on Nov 28, 2007 12:45 AM EST to parent up   0 recs

Two issues
Both Baldelli and Gomes are young enough and talented enough that they aren't automatically relegated to the role of "reserve outfielder". That is a deceptive label. And come on, Boof Bonser is not a No. 3 starter right now. He might be in a career year in the future, but he is a No. 4/5 most likely.

by Patrick L. Kennedy on Nov 28, 2007 4:24 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

Re: Boof Coming to Tampa?
I want to think the Twins are asking for Rocco or Gomes, but somehow I don't think that's the case.

by J.D. on Nov 27, 2007 3:37 PM EST   0 recs

One guy I wouldn't mind getting
is shortstop prospect Trevor Plouffe. His hitting numbers are pedestrian at best, but he's a solid fielder and being a former first rounder, his bat may come around yet. Should be a pretty cheap guy to get as a throw-in.

by Kevin Gengler on Nov 27, 2007 3:49 PM EST   0 recs

As a throw-in
It wouldn't be a terrible gain, but I wouldn't count on him for too much.

by Patrick L. Kennedy on Nov 27, 2007 3:52 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

Re: As a throw-in
Trev may profile as a Zobrist/Harris IFer, but I'd love him over any "stopgap" IFer that we have on staff.

by Jacob Larsen on Nov 27, 2007 3:56 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

Re: Boof Coming to Tampa?
If DY is the target than they better be throwing in Neshek with Boof
http://tampabaysportsfanatic.blogspot.com/

by tampabaysportsfanatic on Nov 27, 2007 4:01 PM EST   0 recs

Re: Boof Coming to Tampa?
Young and Boof should definately not be involved in the same convo, unless as someone said, Neshek or Garza is also involved.  More likely, it would be Rocco.  The Twins have expressed interest in him in the past and without an established DH, the Twins could have the luxury of giving Rocco some at bats at DH. However, the problem I have with Boof is his lack of potential.  At best he projects as a middle of the rotation starter at best.  He'll give you 200+ innings and strike out a decent number of guys, but he's also going to give up a fair share of hits and will likely always be prone to the long ball.  I would be in favor of getting Boof, but would not want to give up any of our established outfielders or Rocco.  If he had more potential, then I would be in more favor.  Young for Boof is laughable, and in my opinion, so is Boof for Rocco.  I would probably do it for Boof and a bullpen arm for Rocco.

by BossmanJunior333 on Nov 27, 2007 4:34 PM EST   0 recs

Re: Boof Coming to Tampa?
I agree with you 100% BJ333, Delmon for Bonser is terrible.  I'm dreading it, but I have confidence that Friedman and Co. won't do something like that.  Bonser is solid and an attractive trade target for us but has nowhere near the upside of Delmon.

I would do Boof for Rocco, though.  Not a bad return for a guy who can't keep healthy.

by J.D. on Nov 27, 2007 4:40 PM EST   0 recs

Re: Boof Coming to Tampa?
From the St Pete Times blog,
"One that made its way into Internet rumors that they are not discussing involves Minnesota pitcher Boof Bonser, a Gibbs High product."

by JD on Nov 27, 2007 4:54 PM EST   0 recs

Re: Boof Coming to Tampa?
Apparently Bonser doesn't know what he's talking about then.

by R.J. Anderson on Nov 27, 2007 4:56 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

Well
I doubt that a deal primarily consisting of Bonser for Young was going to happen, but we may still see action yet.

by Patrick L. Kennedy on Nov 27, 2007 4:59 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

Re: Boof Coming to Tampa?
who knows. They may not be acknowledging anything yet, that would not surprise me. Sometimes players know more than teams let on.

Also:

Twins just opened up 3 spots on their 40-man roster

Maybe for the Santana trade? Maybe for a trade with us?

http://tampabaysportsfanatic.blogspot.com/ http://www.thestatpack.blogspot.com/

by tampabaysportsfanatic on Nov 27, 2007 5:36 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

Re: Boof Coming to Tampa?
Guess that means you're giving them 2 or 3 guys for Boof.

by nyyfaninlaaland on Nov 28, 2007 12:47 AM EST to parent up   0 recs

Re: Boof Coming to Tampa?
I def wouldn't do Boof for even Rocco, Bonser has no place in Minny's stacked rotation even-  I'll pass on his low 5 era and homerun happy ways-

by nittsallgood on Nov 27, 2007 5:13 PM EST   0 recs

Got to chime in
Folks,

I heard JP Peterson today and he called in not in studio and was at a golf tournament involving Brittany Lincicomb, the teen star LPGA player.  What was posted to the site is 100% correct and was independently verified to the site.

I am about to go "off course" here, but here is the receipt for anyone who doubts the validity of this site.  For anyone who thinks that this site posts nothing but rumors is kidding themselves.  And to go as far as to dismiss what was said by Boof Bonser to JP (as told to JP by Boof) without verifying or at least hearing the comments is being completely dishonest.

I am going to say this much right now.  I am very, very disappointed in the St. Petersburg Times.  The information that was posted to this site was relayed to the RJ, who posted the information.  But before RJ posted what was said, he verified it.  To simply dismiss this as "internet rumor" is preposterous.  Since particpating on this site, I do not recall ever seeing one post that ever had a bogus or fictitional basis.  And I can assure you as someone who did listen to what was said today that this story is not fictitious.

The St. Petersburg Times should be ashamed of how they treated the story.  And this is not a rumor, but an actual story, relayed.  Sure it loses some of the meaning because its been relayed, but guess what, its on tape.  And the tape will reveal exactly what was said.  People don't deserve to have their reputations muddied because of "rumor".  People on this site care for the Rays, period.  And I will stick my neck out as long as what I knew to be true or the information can be verified, in which it this case it was.

Joe

by joedobr on Nov 27, 2007 6:56 PM EST   0 recs

Re: Got to chime in
I can see why they did it though.  The Times apparently also verified, with someone else, and that was good enough for them.  I suspect that even if there were talks, the DRO might say there aren't any.  Out of the 10 or so deals this FO has made, how many of them have we known about before the deal actually happened?  We've heard tons of rumors, but none of those turned into real deals, whereas nobody knew any details of the real deals until they happened.  I suspect the FO likes to keep it that way, and the SPTimes doesn't want to piss off the FO by second-guessing them.

by Brickhaus on Nov 27, 2007 7:01 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

Disagree
With all due respect, its on tape.  Its one man's story given over the air and broadcasted.  I just got another friend who has confirmed the same thing the way I heard it too.  There is only one way for the Times to have verified the story and they didn't do it.  I can tell they haven't because if they did, they would have credited the proper source.

I stand by the fact that this story is NOT a rumor.  I can't make it more emphatic than that.  There is a real genesis to this story and to call it "internet rumor" is dishonest, callous and actually devious in a offhanded way.  

Of course Friedman has to dismiss the story, it would compromise Boof Bonser.  I know what was said, at least on the air, and it will soon be on tape.

Joe

by joedobr on Nov 27, 2007 7:05 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

Re: Got to chime in
Once you hear the tape, I am going to guess you will change your mind.   Just a hunch on that Brick.
Joe

by joedobr on Nov 27, 2007 7:17 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

Bottom line
It was disgusting, and I have gotten myself off topic on that.  No one should attempt to knock the validity of the site.  If the #1 beat reporter for the team did his frigging job, and had his ability to eavesdrop in tune and in check, he wouldn't have so distastefully and dishonestly have dismissed this story.

Instead of talking about what kind of package that could be involved in a proposed Bonser swap, we are left in trying to defend the post itself?  Maybe my care is misguided, but I can assure you or anyone who may read this that what happened with the St. Petersburg Times today has truly disappointed me.  The information was accurately relayed and verified and in due time, I am going to go out on a hunch here, knowing the people, that a tape or a mp3 file will be available for the whole world to listen to and that RJ Anderson did not make up a fictitious story.  Shame on the so called "partner" of the Tampa Bay Rays to discredit a source without trying to do some of their own work on their end!

Joe

by joedobr on Nov 27, 2007 7:01 PM EST   0 recs

No use in getting worked up
When I get the file I'll post it and that's it. I'm sure they verified it through the Rays and probably Bonser, of course neither are going to say yes or anything, but that's besides the point.

by R.J. Anderson on Nov 27, 2007 7:03 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

That's true
But its worth defending the site over isn't it?  Its not like you or other posters or columnists make up pure fiction.  As I said before, I question their "source" and the "source" was not an internet rumor.  

Loose lips sink ships and maybe Boof Bonser said something he shouldn't have and everyone is coming up.  But point is that it was said, and how and where the story started was legitimate and credible.

I am going to go to bat for you here and defend you and Jake and the Matt's and Patrick to the hilt.  I am not going out there and playing games and you aren't either.  It shouldn't be a big deal, but its not like this site is chopped liver.  You get the principle, as does everyone.  Reputation can't be understated enough.

Joe

by joedobr on Nov 27, 2007 7:09 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

The audio will be posted tomorrow around lunchtime
After that this site should be cleared of any rumor hatching involving this situation.

Besides if I'm getting into making up rumors I think I could do a better job than Bonser for Delmon.

by R.J. Anderson on Nov 27, 2007 7:15 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

Well, thank you
I appreciate your dedication.

by Patrick L. Kennedy on Nov 27, 2007 7:18 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

The thing is...
They said it's an internet rumor, but they didn't mention us first-hand. How is it a blow to us? Our jobs are to report stuff we here and thats what we did. Can't blame me for going along with the Crawford thing I heard in Chicagoland and can't blame RJ for running with this.

We got visits and we're still hands-down the quickest independant Rays blog on the net and Stu & Company know us better, even if a Rays writer posted back-handed comments towards us.

by Jacob Larsen on Nov 27, 2007 7:22 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

Not to mention
We'll have Patrick with press credentials in hand for the stadium press conference tomorrow.

by R.J. Anderson on Nov 27, 2007 7:27 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

Its worth defending
You fellas know what you are.  Reputation is important and Patrick will have some fun there.  Just don't get too close to Bob DuPuy, he is a scoundrel!!  I don't care for Bob too much.

Soon with the tape, it will be a memory, but honor is always a good thing to have in your back pocket.

Joe

by joedobr on Nov 27, 2007 7:32 PM EST   0 recs

Re: Boof Coming to Tampa?
I think you're taking that comment a little too seriously.

Rumor - "a story or statement in general circulation without confirmation or certainty as to facts" "gossip; hearsay".

The 'facts' in this case are hearsay. Bonser claims to have been told by his agent, a third party to the  talks, that the Twins & Rays were talking about a potential deal involving him coming to Tampa. No confirmation has been made by either the Rays nor Twins organizations that the talks are ongoing, nor that anything is close.

In this case, an "internet rumor" simply means that there is talk around the internet -- which is true, it is a rumor, and it is being talked about on the internet -- about a potential deal. You seem to be treating the phrase as a dirty word, when there was no such intention by Tompkin. I don't see what's worth getting worked up about. He did not call out the site, he did not say that it isn't truth. He said people are talking about it on the internet, and through his own sources, was unable to get any confirmation of any talks.

by Hollinger on Nov 28, 2007 12:10 AM EST   0 recs

The gist
Is that how the story started was not an internet rumor.  Its open for interpretation, and I am indeed at this point could be making too much of it.  However, you are correct and what may have been said to Boof could be denied by a variety of people.

Its not dirty words, I get your point.  My point was that the "internet rumor" wasn't the starting point of how this came about.  It was an interview by a local reporter who had an off air conversation with Boof and the story was retold.  Retelling a story over the air is not an "internet rumor".

No, Topkin did not call out the site.  He wasn't specific, and that is a fair thing.  It just wasn't created out of thin air.  Let's hope we can hear it again for the record, so no one has anything bad to say.

Joe

by joedobr on Nov 28, 2007 12:30 AM EST to parent up   0 recs

I understand
I am too semantical about it.  I know what you are saying.  It was how it was presented is what not makes it rumor but actual reported information.  Time for me to take a chill pill!:)
Joe

by joedobr on Nov 28, 2007 12:32 AM EST to parent up   0 recs

Re: Boof Coming to Tampa?
Internet rumor has became a demeaning term in the sports media realm, in fact it's become the equivalent of AM sports radio talk when it comes to talking trades - most of it is speculative garbage with no truth behind it.

With that in mind this wasn't a rumor at all - assuming Peterson is telling the truth - and it wasn't even started by us, but rather Peterson.

by R.J. Anderson on Nov 28, 2007 7:18 AM EST to parent up   0 recs

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