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A Few Interesting Supplements to the Trade

I have rounded up a bit of potpourri of side details that I find interesting regarding yesterday's trade of Delmon Young to the Twins.

First off was a story written yesterday in the Tampa Tribune, where Marc Lancaster reported this quote from Rays VP Andrew Friedman concerning the plan for the new ballpark and how it impacts his front office:

"In baseball operations, we're trying very hard to insulate ourselves from that," Rays executive vice president Andrew Friedman said Tuesday. "They're very independent events, and it's premature to factor that in at all into our line of thinking. Obviously if it gets approved it will at some point start to factor into our thought process, but how so and how much is yet to be determined. We feel a tremendous amount of pressure to improve this team independent of any outside factors, so that's what we're focused on doing."

So if you take that statement to be true, then the trade of Delmon Young for Matt Garza, Jason Bartlett, and Eduardo Morlan is entirely unrelated to the team's desire to see their stadium plan approved by city voters next November. Do I take it to be true? I would expect that common sense dictated that the Rays needed to improve their ballclub at least somewhat significantly in anticipation of the vote next November, although I don't know whether this trade specifically resulted from that directive. I don't think the team will be going on any spending sprees, but the team will clearly be exceeding Rays owner Stu Sternberg's expectation of a 20% payroll increase that he made in late September if the Percival signing is consummated.

In my estimation, to garner more public support the Rays don't need to leap into contention next year, but they do need to show measurable improvement. The 70 win gold standard that has existed to this point is not good enough. Not when you are pushing for a new $450 million stadium on city land to replace an 17 year old, taxpayer-funded one on county land that is unusually young for the scrap heap. It isn't good enough when you are asking for proceeds from the sale and development of land you don't own to make up the bulk of your funding plan. It isn't good enough when you are requesting a $60 million sales tax rebate from the state of Florida for an unprecedented second time during a budget shortfall; a tax rebate that has not been granted to the Marlins despite several additional years of effort on their part. And it isn't good enough when you are asking the public to resume paying off the debts of your old stadium as usual long after that stadium's implosion. Make no mistake, for this deal to garner support, the team will need to address those matters, but part of doing that is demonstrating that they can succeed at what they do and that they deserve to be subsidized. The Rays aren't Amtrak, they can't expect to fail continually and have the government foot the bill for their expenditures.

It isn't impossible to lose and get a stadium approved for you, just look at the Bucs for an example of that. But improvement does need to be shown for those that feel winning percentages are just as important as funding percentages. I don't doubt that Friedman's front office is insulated from public opinion and the business side of things; just look at the team's moves with relation to Jim Hickey, Elijah Dukes, Aubrey Huff, Julio Lugo, Joe Maddon, and Danys Baez, among others, if you don't believe that. But I have to believe that the Rays might be accelerating things just a little to get on the good side of city voters next season, not that that's a bad idea. Respectability on the field could go a long way at the voting booth.

---More tidbits after the jump---

Star-divide

Meanwhile, Eduardo Encina of the St. Petersburg Times has a few interesting tidbits concerning the Delmon Young deal. Among them:

  • The Rays were apparently not expecting this deal to come down the pipe so quickly, as the team was left competing with its own stadium plan and the Republican Presidential Debate for local attention yesterday as a result of the trade. Andrew Friedman was on his phone at least a couple times during the festivities before leaving altogether to finish off the deal. One source indicates that the deal was really close to being done on Tuesday, but apparently the Rays had not intended on things being wrapped up the following day.
  • As for the players themselves involved in the trade? Delmon Young was apparently ignorant of the whole thing (among other things) until at least late afternoon, while Brendan Harris had gotten wind of a possible trade due to rumor-mongering. While no comment has been heard from Young concerning the deal, Harris expressed genuine disappointment at not staying with the team he felt he was "carving his niche with".
  • By now, everyone knows that Juan Rincon was originally the relief pitcher that the Rays were slated to get in addition to Garza and Bartlett. Ostensibly, concerns over Rincon's elbow put his inclusion on ice, but the Twins moved quickly to replace him and get the deal done without him nonetheless. They gave in to the Rays' request for Eduardo Morlan to finish off the deal. Morlan is clearly a better trade acquisition than Rincon would have been, so you've got to wonder if Friedman was just looking for a backdoor way in which he could pursue the Twins' top relief prospect. Either way, the Rays came out winners in this situation.
  • The priorities in the trade were no surprise. Obviously Garza and Young being included were of paramount importance for the Rays and Twins, respectively. The Twins, having selected Jason Pridie in the Rule 5 draft during the 2005-06 off-season, had a secondary interest in him, while the Rays had a similar infatuation with Bartlett.
Last, and almost certainly least, is this "humorous" take on the trade from some Onion-wannabe blogger at FoxSports.com. Click through, but understand that you risk hemorrhaging IQ points by actually reading the content.

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Re: A Few Interesting Supplements to the Trade
Aw c'mon, that last was at least a little funny. And at least it was short. Better was the comment from the guy below who appeared - or maybe he was (ineffectively) trying to be smug -to think Friedman actually said those quotes.

I think all the talk about the trade is great for you guys - you made a splash, got everybody's attention, and appeared to be taking a risk to get better, regardless of the comic's view. It's all good.

Not sure about your and others here comments about how clever your org was to get Morlan instead of Rincon, though. Minny did have to agree after all, and you know my attitude about overrelying on prospects - they don't come with guarantees. Of course Rincon certainly had cause for concern, so this is the better deal. And the Joba comparisons might be overcooked - he has been in the minors for 4 years already (of course Joba was in college for that time) and only just out of A ball. Maybe starting held his progress up, or was he hurt in his 2nd season, or were the Twins just conservative with him? But his numbers look really good - we'll see how it goes in Montgomery.

by nyyfaninlaaland on Nov 29, 2007 11:03 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

I liked how the team
Had Pena hitting balls into the bay.

by R.J. Anderson on Nov 29, 2007 11:45 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Took him a little while
To finally land one in the bay.

by Patrick L. Kennedy on Nov 30, 2007 8:27 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Re: A Few Interesting Supplements to the Trade
"Delmon Young was apparently ignorant of the whole thing (among other things)"

Nice to see that I come back to D Rays Bay and see Patrick race-baiting. Classy.

by Top Gun Numba 1 on Nov 30, 2007 8:50 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Re: A Few Interesting Supplements to the Trade
pretty sure that was from someone else and he was just reporting some quotes about the trade
http://tampabaysportsfanatic.blogspot.com/ http://www.thestatpack.blogspot.com/

by tampabaysportsfanatic on Nov 30, 2007 9:23 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

No
The remark in parenthesis was my own. I believe what I said, but I'm at a loss to explain exactly what it has to do with race though.

by Patrick L. Kennedy on Nov 30, 2007 2:20 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Re: No
I bet you wouldn't say that Jamie Shields or Ben Zobrist were ignorant of a bunch of other things.

Delmon Young has never shown any signs of stupidity, you just assume because of your own prejudices.

Bigot.

by Top Gun Numba 1 on Nov 30, 2007 4:05 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Re: No
In Patrick's defense, calling him a bigot means you haven't been paying attention overall - he's made some very strong satements in recent posts that directly contradict your take in this instance. Patrick can better explain the specifics that led to his parenthetical himself, but I have never detected bigotry in approach. I think you need to take another and deeper look here, and not shoot quite so fast. It's quite easy to misinterpret intent in the written word, lacking as it does the communicative demensions of the spoken word.

I hope if you do you will see you owe Patrick a friendly apology. I'll refer from my memory to a recent posted comment about the "asterisk" issue where he came out strongly opposed to such, suggested such comments themselves might be race biased, and that perhaps due the mandated exclusion of African americans from MLB prior to 1947 that all prior stats deserve an asterisk as well.

That doesn't smack of a bigot's comments to me, so I hope you rethink here TopGun.

by nyyfaninlaaland on Nov 30, 2007 7:36 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

NYY
That's Patrick's brother - pretty sure it's just some brotherly ribbing.

by R.J. Anderson on Nov 30, 2007 7:39 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Re: NYY
Who better than Patrick's brother to call him out on his racist comments that proliferate this blog and delute the honest dicussion of player's abilities.

On the real, he wares Klan robes to school.

by Top Gun Numba 1 on Dec 1, 2007 3:57 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Re: NYY
Wow, is everyone here related?  I feel right at home (Arkansas).

by RATW on Dec 1, 2007 12:31 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

hahahaha
No, there is just the royal family on this blog of me, my Mom (webdoyenne), and my brother (Top Gun Numba 1).

by Patrick L. Kennedy on Dec 1, 2007 5:14 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Oh come on
Delmon Young has shown plenty of signs of stupidity, as evident in his actions over the last couple of years. This stupidity isn't rooted in his race, but it is most definitely there.

by Patrick L. Kennedy on Dec 1, 2007 5:17 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Re: A Few Interesting Supplements to the Trade
Yeah Pena hit a ball that almost went into the Media Section as well. I'm glad they did that, but imagine if accidentally hit one of the boats in the bay. Haha, that would be a great selling point, get rid of that docking area for a stadium as well.

I love the stadium talk. I really hope they consider adding more seats, especially to the outfield. Outfield and the second level seats were my favorite seats in the Trop, and I know it will be different, but the lack of outfield seats is the only thing disappointing in the stadium.

by Cory Alexander on Nov 30, 2007 1:42 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

There are some seats in the outfield
You don't have to tell me about Pena, I almost got hit by that foul ball.

They are just in left field, where there is more room. Right field, on the extension into the bay, is where they are putting a small berm.

The lack of cheap seats is one of my major concerns about this stadium. If this is going to be taxpayer subsidized, there needs to be sufficient affordable seating here for all fans.

by Patrick L. Kennedy on Dec 1, 2007 5:16 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

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