Oh My...
It's beginning! Note that the new URL for the official site will be Raysbaseball.com starting immediately after the first of the year. As far as our plans for the activities today and tomorrow, we'll have reports from tonight's unveiling posted sometime tomorrow.
The new gear is online and it's quite nice in my eyes.

More after the jump.

Home jersey.

BP Jersey

And of course cap, check out the rest of the new gear at the team's online store.
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With the excpetion of the cap
by joedobr on Nov 8, 2007 7:02 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I won't apologize for liking the color scheme
by R.J. Anderson on Nov 8, 2007 7:06 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
If it's not one thing with you...
You complain and bicker all the f'n time about the lack of TB, lack of "true veteran leadership", how you'd try to "fix" the team without relying on so much homegrown talent.
Y'know what, I'm happy that you have your opinion but most of it is drummed up by stupid BS that you hear on the radio. Outside of Fenton, Tampa radio is a barrel-full of monkey turds. However, you don't know as much as you do about the business of baseball and how a baseball team is run.
by Jacob Larsen on Nov 8, 2007 7:53 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Breaking news flash
It is what it is. And I can break myself down in excruciating detail. I can write thesis reports and write discertations for my post graduate work and this team and supporting THIS community and the franchises is what I care about the most. And they are nothing but jokers.
Tell me this, when will this club stop talking about player development and arbitration elgible talent and DIP and play the market like any other team? When will this club sign another pedigree level player over the age of 28 or with 6 years of big league service to a multiyear 8 figure contract? Its all about player development and arbitration control, both noble concepts but recipes for mediocrity and 81-81 in the long term.
by joedobr on Nov 8, 2007 10:45 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Worked for the A's of the late 90's
by R.J. Anderson on Nov 8, 2007 10:47 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Re: Worked for the A's of the late 90's
by joedobr on Nov 8, 2007 10:53 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Jeremy Giambi needs to learn how to slide
by R.J. Anderson on Nov 8, 2007 10:54 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Re: Jeremy Giambi needs to learn how to slide
by joedobr on Nov 8, 2007 11:01 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
It was
by R.J. Anderson on Nov 8, 2007 11:05 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Re: It was
by joedobr on Nov 8, 2007 11:16 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Re: Worked for the A's of the late 90's
by sattp on Nov 8, 2007 10:56 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
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From 1999 to 2000 (the playoff run begins)payroll jumped 33% - $8 million to $32 million. Interesting, their 1999 payroll for 25 man roster at season start is very similar to Rays for 2007 ($24.15 mil). Of course the majors minimum then was $200k, versus '07's $380k. They held steady (+ 1.7 mil) in '01, then up 20% to 40 mil in '02, then up 20% to 50 mil in '03. (Interesting how percents play - 8 mil is 33%, 3 years later $10 mil is only 20. Figures lie, liars figure?) Not the math of a team with guys at the minimum, which was $300k in '03, or their low man in the '02 season at $202k, one Carlos Pena!
by nyyfaninlaaland on Nov 9, 2007 1:08 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
You're right
by R.J. Anderson on Nov 9, 2007 7:15 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Worked for COL, CLE, ARI, and BOS
The Red Sox? Yup. They were built mainly through the draft (Papelbon, Youkillis, Pedroia, Ellsbury, Lester, Buchholz), trades using Sox prospects (Beckett, Lowell, Schilling, Crisp), cheap free agent signings (Ortiz, Okajima), and trades for a prospect (Varitek). Of the four big money free agents (Ramirez, Matsuzaka, Drew, and Lugo), only Ramirez is a true success story.
The Rays are Cleveland two or three years ago. Player development and arbitration control are the keys to avoiding mediocrity and 81-81 seasons.
by G_ on Nov 9, 2007 12:39 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
That is the gist
But the logo absolutely blows, period and the uniforms and what they represent are oxymoronic and I am insulted. RJ, you don't have to apologize for anything. I just want to see how far I can go. Sorry folks whoever reads this. I am calling the hiearchy out on this, and an explanation and a well thought out explanation is not only warranted and deserved on that.
by joedobr on Nov 8, 2007 7:19 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
The thought
This was a gutless move that is par for what they are. These men aren't risk takers. They are deliberate and think they can be everything to everyone. In a way, the uniform matches the baseball philosophy. Take no risks and be everything. Stay young all the time.
by joedobr on Nov 8, 2007 7:22 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I'd rather them not take risks on our idenity

by R.J. Anderson on Nov 8, 2007 7:27 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Clever
All kidding aside, I am going after Stu, Andrew, Matt, Darcy and I am letting you know that all in front. I will be respectful and polite, but I want to know for my own benefit. This is personal for me, because my own love of this area is personal. Go to the other blogs right now and I am not alone on this. Its a sad day for this community and I will not rest until I am acknowledged. I will respect the site and comment and not be mean at all, but I have to let you know I am going to go out on my own on this.
I know I am not alone on this site either about this topic. Are the uniforms more "classic"? In a way, yes, but they look like Baseball Player 101 except with that sunburst combined with the fish. I give them credits for having guts to execute but negative points for the lack of understanding of civic pride. Now I am going to do what I have to do.
by joedobr on Nov 8, 2007 7:34 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I believe they're referring to the burst as a
Of course that likely just adds fuel to your fire, but I figured I'd pass it along.
by R.J. Anderson on Nov 8, 2007 7:38 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
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Well done, RJ:)
by joedobr on Nov 8, 2007 7:40 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Or Gaslight Park tomorrow night
by R.J. Anderson on Nov 8, 2007 7:43 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
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by sattp on Nov 8, 2007 8:03 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
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by usfraysfan on Nov 8, 2007 8:19 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
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Now let's stop arguing about "Tampa Bay" or no "Tampa Bay" on the unis. Remember the "TB" on the cap stands for "Tampa Bay" and not "tuberculosis".
If you want to hold the NDRO accountable for something, hold them accountable for the bodies they put in the unis. They look nice, but you're merely polishing a turd if this team ends up with 66 wins at the end of September and you keep preaching about the "exciting young nucleus".
by Matt Sammon on Nov 8, 2007 8:29 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I think we can all agree on this
by R.J. Anderson on Nov 8, 2007 8:34 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
They look a lot better as a three dimensional uni
by Patrick L. Kennedy on Nov 8, 2007 9:12 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
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The Tuberculosis Rays sounds pretty good.....
by Flabull on Nov 8, 2007 9:19 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Re: The tuberculosis Rays sounds pretty good
by nyyfaninlaaland on Nov 9, 2007 1:12 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
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by joedobr on Nov 8, 2007 10:46 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Comments perfect
by joedobr on Nov 8, 2007 10:56 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
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by Elgrandeplatano on Nov 9, 2007 10:58 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
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Personally, I'm fine with the lack of "Tampa Bay" on the uniforms. The TB on the cap represents the region just fine.
by floridaroar on Nov 8, 2007 9:24 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
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by TBfisherman on Nov 8, 2007 9:29 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Symbolism
As for the ballclub, the management has to understand that the average baseball fan in town needs to be convinced Joe Maddon is the right guy. We've all seen or heard of the talent in Durham and Montgomery, but I fear an idiot is at the controls. Hopefully I'm really wrong.
by mlmintampa on Nov 8, 2007 9:37 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Joe Maddon isn't at the controls
by R.J. Anderson on Nov 8, 2007 9:49 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Re: Joe Maddon isn't at the controls
He knows where the credit is due - the answer's in his shaving mirror every day. Curious he won't plant his own butt in the dugout - that would make it harder to point at others to blame, however.
by nyyfaninlaaland on Nov 9, 2007 1:18 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
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Spend some money to put a winning team on the field
by Elgrandeplatano on Nov 9, 2007 11:05 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
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The Latin American Academy gives the Rays a presence where it had none. I may be mistaken but I think the Rays were the only team lacking Latin American scouting. That's just shameful for a league where Latin American players are so prevalent. The Rays will be better for this in the long run.
Improvements to the Trop may mean nothing to the hardcore fan, but it makes the experience nicer for families, thus increasing revenue, thus giving the organization more money to spend down the road. Also, no one wants to play in a dump.
The uniform change was not necessary but it will increase revenues and may have a small psychological effect on the players.
The more revenue you have the more likely you'll be able to sign big name free agents while locking up key pieces to the team's future. Throwing money at names with no solid plan to increase revenue is a recipe for failure.
Back in the 80's every player in the NFL wanted to be a San Francisco 49'er. The team exuded class from top to bottom and it translated to wins on the field. They stayed in 5 star hotels and flew on private jets. Their clubhouse was state-of-the-art. Act like a winner, look like a winner, be a winner. Don't get me wrong, talent has a lot to do with it but it's not the whole equation.
by floridaroar on Nov 9, 2007 12:02 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
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by bobr on Nov 9, 2007 12:18 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
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Maybe I have been listening to Mick to much, but while some of his stuff is down right retarded, he has substance bitching about the payroll. 33 million in revenue sharing and what? 28 million in payroll?
by Elgrandeplatano on Nov 9, 2007 2:26 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
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But once more, and for the umpteenth time, people need to be factual in what they say. It is nonsense that the Rays did nothing about the bullpen going into 2007-total and absolute nonsense obvious by simply reading names.
Between 2006 and 2007, there were only 3 of 7 relievers returned to the roles they had played the previous year. Those 3 were Camp, Salas and Lugo, (and even Salas was intially expected to take a more critical role) and in all 3 cases their 2006 campaign more than justified their return. So 4 members of the bullpen were either new altogether or placed in a new role. (Stokes) And additionally, other major league ready pitchers such as Dohmann were acquired for the AAA team as backups.
Now, you may think their choices were wrong. It is incontrovertible that it did not work-although equally incontrovertible that the Rays then continued to overhaul the bullpen. You may think it would have been wise to spend more money on relievers during the off-season. (I disagree, but recognize there are arguments both ways.) But it is absolutely untrue to say "they did nothing". They did quite a lot, and the implication that they were either too stupid, too lazy or too whatever is invalid. As for implying they were too cheap, that discounts other possible reasons-again too numerous and too often discussed-for their decision to take the route they did.
In any case, there is a huge difference between saying they did nothing and saying they did the wrong thing. If you want to argue they did the wrong thing, that is a point we have often discussed here and is legitimate to argue. But adding Reyes, Glover & Ryu to the bullpen and moving Stokes into relief was emphatically not doing nothing.
by bobr on Nov 9, 2007 4:57 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
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You are correct, they did take action. And those actions largely did not work. The holdovers plus the shifted Stokes had mostly horrific seasons - except Salas. Reyes was a decent re-acquisition (he finished '06 rehabbing in Durham), Glover was mediocre, Ryu a non-factor, Dohmann contributed in 2nd 1/2 after not making the team in spring. Fossum bombed before and after shifting roles. And forgotten above holdover Switzer was hurt or plain ineffective in the lefty role most think is important, particularly in the AL East. They did try to adjust midseason, with their big (in relative salary)acquistion of Wheeler, who performed worse in Tampa than he had in a mediocre season for Houston. And don't forget, he was acquired by trading a somewhat higher paid Wigginton.
There could be alternative explanations for the organization's motivation for each action. But the simple fact is that every acquistion was a low risk one financially. Perhaps they couldn't get the alternatives despite trying. Perhaps they feel they can acquire pen keys when really needed (Reyes is certainly no long term solution).
The contrary point is what's wrong with spending some, even a little too much, to improve now and hopefully in the future. The Baltimore approach has been overused, but had the Rays thrown the same dollars at the 2 most sensible if somewhat pricey acquisitions (Bradford and Walker - Baez was off the charts lunacy, and the cheap Williamson didn't pan out) who clearly didn't care about immediate contention the cellar may well have been avoided and things would be looking just that much more up today. Put 2 80 appearance guys with sub 3.50 ERA's in front of Reyes in your pen, and subtract them from Baltimore's, at a price that would have left the payroll still well below '06, well that 70 win plateau might well have been reached. Now that would have made for 1 great day in the park.
by nyyfaninlaaland on Nov 10, 2007 5:52 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
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Will that change when the young core comes together? Perhaps. But statements like 20% payroll increases for 2008 - stated so as to magnify what's in fact a miniscule dollar amount - don't bode well for the coming season. Checks don't say "+20%" - they have a dollar amount.
El Grande's point about revenue sharing - a drum I've beaten too much here - is huge. Yes, they opened a Latin academy - it was paid for by revenue sharing captured at the expense of other teams. The DRO gets no credit in my book for it, even though it's a solid if belated strategic decision. And still leaves near $20 million this year alone not clearly dedicated to "improving the quality of the team on the field" as mandated by the Collective Bargaining agreement. No one here ever responds to this issue.
The simple fact is that in this sense, Murray Chass is right. Major League baseball would be healthier financially without the cash drain of the 2 Florida franchises. You're not the only guilty parties, but a strong argument can be made that you're the worst offenders in recent years. I believe teams must be allowed to take your development approach - it is a sound strategy for long term competitiveness. I just don't believe the other franchises should have to subsidize that choice.
by nyyfaninlaaland on Nov 10, 2007 6:28 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
No offense
I made a post about the whole revenue sharing thing and yes the org is making a ton of money, but in reality I think we can add 15 million in payroll for next year (40-45 million) and come in third place.
by R.J. Anderson on Nov 10, 2007 6:39 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
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I reiterate also that nobody can dispute that what the Rays did failed to work out. But again, that is very different-significantly different-from saying they did nothing. And equating "doing something" with "spending money on name relievers" is invalid. It is also invalid after the fact to say these are the relievers they should have spent money on.We need not review again the differing views on the predictability of relievers' performances from year to year.
As for the Academy, it is not belated. It was done by this group in its second year in charge. The conflating of the Sternberg actions with those of Naimoli is one of the more insidious errors that many fans make.
I am not a fan of artificially trying to create parity* in the majors either with revenue sharing, salary caps, payroll taxes or other methods, but that is the system worked out. I do not have the entire Rays' budget at hand; I do not know exactly how they spend or do not spend money. But I do see them expanding in many areas and accumulating talent in a prudent and intelligent manner. I do not think 2 years of low payrolls demonstrate anything except that the Rays plan is to develop talent internally first, and evaluate it before spending outside the system. That is very sensible to me.
*Actually, I dislike the idea of parity itself.
by bobr on Nov 10, 2007 6:45 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
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If you build a winner, and become expected to win the revenue will come. I never said we don't need an academy, I said we don't need one right now. It is frustrating because we are this close to being a contender (even going into last season) and they pour money else where. I belive we got more money in revenue sharing than our pay roll was. There is no excuse for that.
It would be irresponsible for me to go purchase a high def tv tomorrow when I have credit card debt and only make a shade over 20,000 a year. The rays are making unnecessary purchases (video board?) and could increase revenue by just fielding a winner. We have seen it with 3 sports in this area in the last 10 years.
by Elgrandeplatano on Nov 9, 2007 2:20 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

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