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Jake Takes on "The Winter Meetings"

The Winter Meetings are finally here and, for once as a Rays fan, it's something to be excited about. We're confident, we know what we're looking for and we're aggressive enough to make it happen. This ain't Kansas anymore, Dorothy...Andy wants this team to excel in 2008 and will do everything he can to insure that happens.

Well, in the follow post, I'd like to share with everyone what my plans would be for me if I was put in the spot of GM(Executive VP) for the Rays and what trades or signings I'd try to pull off.

-More to come after the jump-

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Signings or players to inquire about "asking price"(or who to "kick the tires on"):

Ron Mahay, LOOGY- While I don't really believe that the LOOGY spot of a bullpen is important, it's evident that Kurt Birkins and Jeff Ridgway don't fit in a bullpen with names like Troy Percival, Al Reyes, Dan Wheeler and Juan Salas(his last name is a palindrome). Ron Mahay would be yet another "veteran presence" in the bullpen. Only risk is that he's a Type B Free Agent and he'd cost us a 2nd round pick in the upcoming draft. Does an aging reliever equate to losing the 56th-60th pick in the draft? Probably not, however, stealing 2 relievers that the Yankees have inquired about is worth a 2nd round pick to me.

Tony Clark, Aging 1B platooner- Positive Veteran Leader who still can hit for power.

Michael Barrett, Tough Catcher- He punched AJ Pierzynski, he made Carlos Zambrano look like an idiot when Zambrano blamed him for giving up 10 or so runs in an inning(then got into a fight with Zambrano), confronted Rich Hill when he felt that the youngster wasn't following his lead and had a case of the Nuke Lalooshes(shaking off pitches). Decent hitter, calls a good game and will stand up for his pitchers when they give him a good effort. Yeah, sounds like he's Crash Davis Incarnate.

Andruw Jones, 1 year rental/shock the baseball world- With Barry Bonds in a tough position to make game appearances and court appearances at the same time, why not bite the bullet and prove to Boras that we're willing to take the risk and spend money? We sign Jones to an incentive-laiden contract with a possible option for a 2nd year, we impress Boras who needs to be proven that we're "in it to win it" and we may be allowed to sign Pena to a deal that we won't have to pay through the nose.

Kazuo Fukomori, Japanese Reliever- We need to continue slowly adding international talent and continue to improve our bullpen. It's bad enough that Boston and the Yankees seem to have partnerships with Japanese baseball teams, but keeping Japanese fans in tune with Rays baseball with Aki and Fukomori will prevent those 2 from taking over the Japanese market.

Just Say No to: Darin Erstad, Trever Miller, Bartolo Colon, David Eckstein and Eric Gagne.

Trade Offers:

In baseball, it takes 2 to tango in trades. We were shown best evidence of that with the Young-Garza trade in which Rincon got flipped for Morlan when we became weary of Rincon's elbow issues (not to mention his "steroid issues"). If I were GM, here's offers that I'd throw out in hopes that one or all would occur.

SP Edwin Jackson, RP Al Reyes and OF Jonny Gomes to Seattle for C Jeff Clement and PTBNL- We all need to give up the thoughts that Edwin Jackson will be a future starter in the Rays rotation, especially with the players coming up in our system. I'd rather trade Jackson now and give Niemann the 4th/5th spot in the rotation. Al Reyes and Jackson were 2 players that Consultant to Buzz Jr. scouted last year near the deadline and Gomes would give the Mariners a power bat that they so badly need while lessening the odds of seeing Gomes play RF for us ever again. Clement would give us a dynamic young duo of catchers, which would give Dioneer the idea that he needs to speed up his development and "work out" a bit more often. Clement, due to his massive body, always could learn 1B on the job and get some ABs at DH. We'd be less likely to have free outs in our line-up with the possibility of Clement in the line-up. I only say PTBNL because this would be the 1st time that the Rays would be giving up more parts than parts received in a trade, so a 3-for-2 trade seems more likely to me.

SP J.P. Howell to Arizona for RF Carlos Quentin- I realize that I'm writing something that's very unlikely, due to the names involved, but it "could" happen. Carlos is coming off a shoulder surgery(to his non-throwing arm) and the Diamondbacks are hard-pressed for young pitching. J.P. seems destined to become a better pitcher on a NL team than the AL, so why not fill a hole of ours with a player that was a top prospect in a very prestigous farm system but has basically lost his luster by default and D-Backs crowded OF? If not JP straight up, offer them Hammel and JP and ask for Neigborgall in addition to Quentin.

SP Wade Davis and OF John Matulia for the rights to SP Mark Prior- Initially, in an idea that I gave to RJ, I said Wade Davis for Prior. However, Hendry probably would be mocked for such a random trade for a pitcher that Cub fans have never heard of (even though they have a WR posing as a pitcher in their farm system). I added his idea to the offer, just for the fact that Hendry loves "toolsy" OFers and the fact that Matulia was a draftee of Wilkens(who drafted John's baby bro, I believe, for the Cubs). I say rights to Prior, due to Prior's contract issues. Basically, Mark Prior has until December 12th to decide if he wants to become a FA after this season concludes or not. If we received his rights in a trade, we could negotiate a deal in which we could give him an incentive-laiden contract that would pay him fairly well if he stays healthy and pitches effectively. While I'm a big fan of WD40, Jake and him aren't both going to make it into the Rays rotation(if either) and we should try to trade one of them while their stock is up due to their rankings on baseball prospect lists. Win-win for us.

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I still wouldn't do Davis for Prior
I'd do Matulia for him, but nothing more, who knows how screwed up his arm is, and I'd wager Davis makes more of an impact over the next five years than Prior.

by R.J. Anderson on Dec 2, 2007 11:22 PM EST reply actions  

Also
Please don't mention Bull Durham, Kevin Costner is still hanging around the Trop hoping for a job.

by R.J. Anderson on Dec 2, 2007 11:27 PM EST reply actions  

Re: Jake Takes on "The Winter Meetings"
For some reason I broke down your post in reverse order.

I wouldn't even think of trading Davis for Prior and his bionic arm. Other than that I would def. do howell/quentin deal, but I doubt Zona would go for it. As I told RJ earlier, there is no reason to rush out and get a catcher after Dioner's performance in the 2nd half, so that first deal I would throw out. I agree on Mahay, Clark, and Fukomori. Jones is interesting, and something I would consider after running through the numbers, but I think in the end he will be too expensive.

General Manager Manifesto Matt Bishoff

by Matt Bishoff on Dec 2, 2007 11:32 PM EST reply actions  

Josh Hamiltion
How about Edwin Jackson for Josh Hamilton? I've heard they were shopping him for pitching. Dare I say we have a bunch of pitching...and need an outfielder.

by gavind on Dec 2, 2007 11:36 PM EST reply actions  

Re: FREE RAUL IBANEZ!
Aren't they big fans of JP over there?
http://tampabaysportsfanatic.blogspot.com/ http://www.thestatpack.blogspot.com/

by tampabaysportsfanatic on Dec 3, 2007 12:11 AM EST up reply actions  

Re: Jake Takes on "The Winter Meetings"
I don't like Barrett or Jones for Signings.
The trade of Wade Davis is a big NO, I would go for Clement and Quentin if it could be done. The best Idea that I like that is Proposed is the Edwin Jackson for Josh Hamilton swap. That would not only be a great deal but ironic as well.
SC raysfan

by SC raysfan on Dec 2, 2007 11:44 PM EST reply actions  

Re: Jake Takes on "The Winter Meetings"
I'm surprised Hamilton has not been mentioned. A left handed bat that could play RF and DH with pop and patience...

He played 10 games in RF (71 in CF) for the Reds last year with an OPS north of .900! The Reds are looking to move him to make room for Jay Bruce. Much preferred to Erstad or Jenkins! And cheap, too.

by gavind on Dec 3, 2007 12:05 AM EST up reply actions  

Hell no
He's injury-prone and has only been in the majors for one season. Not to mention what Cincinnati would want to get him back. I thought you were kidding with your earlier post. No, just....no.

by Patrick L. Kennedy on Dec 3, 2007 8:59 AM EST up reply actions  

As a Cubs fan
I would love to see Davis for Prior. I doubt Prior will ever make more than 25 starts in a year again.  As a Rays fan, I would hate to see them give up one of there best young arms for a guy who seems to ba going nowhere in his career. Who knows, he could rebound and turn into a valuable asset; just not as valuable as Davis could potentially be.

by vtcub on Dec 2, 2007 11:54 PM EST reply actions  

Re: Jake Takes on "The Winter Meetings"
Jake wrote: "Only risk is that he's a Type B Free Agent and he'd cost us a 2nd round pick in the upcoming draft."

Type B free agents do not cost anything.  The team losing the player gets a 1st round supplemental pick.

SP Wade Davis and OF John Matulia for the rights to SP Mark Prior - Just say no.

by ttnorm on Dec 3, 2007 12:33 AM EST reply actions  

Re: Jake Takes on "The Winter Meetings"
Why not switch out Davis with McGee.  I think Davis is going to have more of an impact than McGee anyways, because McGee can't seem to learn anymore pitches than a fastball.

by usfraysfan on Dec 3, 2007 12:40 AM EST reply actions  

Re: Jake Takes on "The Winter Meetings"
Disagree. I think McGee has more upside than Davis. It is close, but I think McGee has a higher ceiling
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by tampabaysportsfanatic on Dec 3, 2007 1:44 PM EST up reply actions  

Re: Jake Takes on "The Winter Meetings"
I do not like the Davis/Prior suggestion either. If Prior's rights could be acquired for something less, fine, but even if we think our rotation will  be too crowded, that is returning to the LaMar approach of squandering talent rather than maximizing it. Davis can bring back more right now, I think. Now for Hamilton I can see it.

No problem with the free agent suggestions although wouldn't a good defensive catcher be more appropriate to back up Navarro? And I prefer Floyd to Clark, and Wilkerson as well, although he might be too expensive in years. I am also not as down on Colon as you are; he gave up a ton of hits and home runs in a short time last year, but his control seems fine and he Ked a reasonable number of batters, suggesting he may be on the mend. Either a #5 starter or perhaps conversion to relief?

I love the Quentin suggestion of course. I wonder what it would cost to get Luke Scott who seems to be available.

by bobr on Dec 3, 2007 7:56 AM EST reply actions  

Re: Jake Takes on "The Winter Meetings"
No. Don't trade Davis, especially for Prior. I think Davis and McGee are real deal. Dusty ruined Prior

by David Bloom on Dec 3, 2007 7:58 AM EST reply actions  

Re: Jake Takes on "The Winter Meetings"
PE'a ruined him in college
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by tampabaysportsfanatic on Dec 3, 2007 1:42 PM EST up reply actions  

Re: Jake Takes on "The Winter Meetings"
"We all need to give up the thoughts that Edwin Jackson will be a future starter in the Rays rotation"

Why, exactly should we give up on thoughts of Jackson being a starter? Let's not forget that he is only 24 years old and he had a very promising second half last year with flashes of brilliance.

I'm all for trading anyone in a deal that helps the team and Jackson is no exception. I think it's crazy to suggest we need to give up on him though.

by floridaroar on Dec 3, 2007 10:03 AM EST reply actions  

Re: Jake Takes on "The Winter Meetings"
There's numerous reasons why we should give up on Jackson.
  1. He's out of options, still, and that means that we're going to have to cut bait on him eventually.
  2. He still walks as many batters as he K's. How is that improving?
  3. While it seemed that he improved greatly in his 2nd half, he really didn't. His ERA, walks, H/9 were high.
  4. Crappy as a reliever, crappy as a starter.

by Jacob Larsen on Dec 3, 2007 11:17 AM EST up reply actions  

Re: Jake Takes on "The Winter Meetings"
Mariners are interested in Edwin Jackson after being made available in trade talks. We'll see what happens.
My Blog. Check it out if you wish.

by Cory Alexander on Dec 3, 2007 1:23 PM EST up reply actions  

I agree with Jake completely
The infatuation with Jackson is not grounded in reality.

by Patrick L. Kennedy on Dec 3, 2007 3:40 PM EST up reply actions  

Re: Jake Takes on "The Winter Meetings"
I concur
General Manager Manifesto Matt Bishoff

by Matt Bishoff on Dec 3, 2007 11:13 AM EST reply actions  

Re: Jake Takes on "The Winter Meetings"
I'd say give him one last shot. I is  a stop gap never the less.

by David Bloom on Dec 3, 2007 12:39 PM EST reply actions  

No Quentin.....
MLB radio is reporting that the White Sox will acquire Carlos Quentin from the Diamondbacks for Chris Carter.
http://tampabaysportsfanatic.blogspot.com http://www.thestatpack.blogspot.com/

by tampabaysportsfanatic on Dec 3, 2007 2:22 PM EST reply actions  

Dukes Traded To The Nationals?
It's being reported that both teams have scheduled a 5pm press conference.

Could he possibly net us Chad Cordero or Jon Rauch?

by fogelberg on Dec 3, 2007 2:44 PM EST reply actions  

Re: Dukes Traded To The Nationals?
If Andy pulls Cordero or Rauch out of Dukes, I'm going to go to sleep and hope that the trade wasn't veto'd for insanity in the morning.

by Jacob Larsen on Dec 3, 2007 3:02 PM EST up reply actions  

Re: Dukes Traded To The Nationals?
hahahaha
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by tampabaysportsfanatic on Dec 3, 2007 3:05 PM EST up reply actions  

Speaking of paindromes
does anybody know if Robb Nen has recovered from that 2002 postseason yet? I mean, if Percival can come back, why can't he?

by das411 on Dec 4, 2007 12:35 AM EST reply actions  

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